The Syndicate

Put it on IR.

I think him, Adam, or Sprityo are good options at a glance.

Epignosis wrote:

DrWilgy = Hard 3
Fredwood = Hard 2
nutella = Hard 2
Dyslexicon = Soft 2
Adam = Hard 1
Jackofhearts2005 = Hard 1
CaptainNifty = Soft 1
sprityo = Softer 1
Immortal_Raven = Soft 0
MovingPictures07 = Soft 0
TonyStarkPrime = Softer 0
S~V~S = Softest 0
Long Con = Soft -1

How long you sticking to your charade Epi?

S~V~S wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:SVS, I need to know what you did to me last night.

Well, I will be role outing, but I mostly did anyhow, so OK.

I took a vote off of you in the poll. It looked to me like you were headed for a lynch, and I could not add one to Jack since I had done so the night before and double targeting.

M'k

I believe you. You are town.

SVS, I need to know what you did to me last night.

Thank god that's over.

Fredwood wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Here's another question.

LC who is afraid of dying, why would you bring up the fakeslip when it was glanced over by all?

Wouldn't you be glad that it was mostly ignored?

If he's town he's not glad it was ignored.

Why? He was "already done" when it happened. Why delay it being a topic of discussion only to raise it again?

Immortal_Raven wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Interesting.

Now here's the question. Would civ LC throw away logical analysis for a vendetta?

Is a civ on a vendetta good to keep around?

Is this vendetta an excuse for non analysis baddie play?

Situationally good. A Civ with a vendetta who happens to be correct is a powerful ally. Vendettas do cloud judgement something awful though.

Follow up question -
Is this vendetta civ inspired? Does the emotion that caused the vendetta come frome a genuine source?

Here's another question.

LC who is afraid of dying, why would you bring up the fakeslip when it was glanced over by all?

Wouldn't you be glad that it was mostly ignored?

Interesting.

Now here's the question. Would civ LC throw away logical analysis for a vendetta?

Is a civ on a vendetta good to keep around?

Is this vendetta an excuse for non analysis baddie play?

Long Con wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

nutella wrote:...I'm starting to entertain the possibility that Wilgy could be bad.

What caused the swap? Do you not read my thoughts as genuine?

To those who think they can catch a bad Wilgy. Will you catch me through me backing off a gambit? If I was a reaper sympathizer why would I have backed off of Sprit with his claim?

@LC do you think your thoughts on me are more emotional reaction or logical response?

I'd say about 50/50. You want something from me, Wilgy? You can start by explaining why you tried to sucker punch me on Night 1. You have not done a whit of explaining beyond "Whoa dude, ask your self this: why would I do that as a Civ? *mindblown explodey hand motion*"

I was hoping you'd at least think of a reason why I'd do this that was in the ballpark first.

I wanted to read your response. Kinda like I said, I want to read you.

I also wanted to see how others would respond to it. Perhaps an opportunistic scummy would've tried to push it.

The ultimate reason was to add another form of information to the thread LC. I did like your initial response btw.

nutella wrote:...I'm starting to entertain the possibility that Wilgy could be bad.

What caused the swap? Do you not read my thoughts as genuine?

To those who think they can catch a bad Wilgy. Will you catch me through me backing off a gambit? If I was a reaper sympathizer why would I have backed off of Sprit with his claim?

@LC do you think your thoughts on me are more emotional reaction or logical response?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:What's a Wilgette? My SO has her own screenname that is not connected to mine.

Wilgette is my SO!

I see. I didn't mean for that possible implication. I apologize.

To give backstory to my non-attention last cycle, I recently moved away from my Wilgette and we now live a city apart. Due to the limited time I have with her mafia wasn't my first priority yesterday.

And that's it. Assume what you wish, but Irl was too important.

Why are we assuming so much?
"You will be able to win with the faction you choose and your win condition will align with theirs. You will not be counted among their numbers though for the purposes of deciding the game." - The Geth

Meaning he is a support. He has no solo win con as his value is 0. If his teammates are at 0, Epi can't win them the game.

The most he could do for the reapers is a 0-0-0-0 tie where he is left alive. He has no value other than a vote.

If it comes down to 2 civs and Epi, by all means lynch him to avoid a tie. That is not the case tho.

Regarding Sprit "gambit" again. You are all assuming I had some master plan. Why? What lead you to beleive that? I was away from my phone and cpu in a different city. All I wanted to do was express my opinions in what short time I could.

@JoH, I voted Silver as I didn't want any manipulation and I just read Sprits role claim right before EoD. There was no reason to vote elsewhere, nor time to gain a new lead or even look into the rc.

Nothing convinced me Silver was bad. I was indifferent to him really.

I will still oppose an Epi lynch. It is useless unless we are avoiding a vote lock. It is not a civ win con to kill Epi.

Day 2 I wanted Gfish dead because he was my best lead, and hey I was right.

Idk what more you want from me. Silver was similar to you in the fact that there were cases, I just didn't care. At the time I said I'd kill you over Epi (vs Silver over Epi for example) is because you had momentum. If the momentum was on anywhere else that wasn't Epi or Gfish I would've told them the same thing too.

Regarding Sprit, I didn't tell you that I found it suspicious, more so just pointed out a question of his. There were other reasons that I wanted to highlight him being a potential baddie as well that I just didnt due to time.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Wigly - Fights against lynching Reapers and pro-Reaper neutrals. Puts forth an argument that doesn't get traction. Tells us he has a secret case but it turns out to be the same damn argument from before. Probably Reaper.

Hey buddy. Buddy. Buuuuuuddy.

When did I advocate against lynching reapers? I think I stated we should lynch a reaper yesterday to keep both teams on their toes amd so Epi wouldn't be tempted.

It wasn't a secret case. Idk why everyone thinks I said that (was it fred friend's assumptions?) All I stated was I'll be voting for sprit for reasons I'll explain later. I couldn't formulate my thoughts and case properly though due to my date with the Wilgette.

JoH, was my vote a big secret illuminati bullshit? Or was it that I was busy?

Long Con wrote:Who do you think we should kill tonight, dude?

We don't have the kill tonight LC, that's tomorrow.

Sorry I wasn't around to do so, but I don't think I should be faulted for assumptions.

I was visiting the Wilgette and couldn't post what I wanted. I did think Sprit was bad and there's a possibility he still is. I didn't have time to double check his claim so w/e.

Should be more active this phase luckily.

Long Con wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:That explains your questions about Dom's death then Sprit.

I'm not a cop, but this:

sprityo wrote:@DrWilgy with Dom being killed and also pushing to kill JoH earlier, how do you think this reflects back at JoH?

Wasn't asked by a knowledgeless civ.

Along with your bad vote yesterday and buddying of me, I thought you were Gfish's teammate.

Your question makes me think you had knowledge or silenced JoH and were setting him up to kill him.

So the way you did this was, like a gambit of sorts.

A gambit just when you're getting grilled about a so-called gambit earlier.

This wouldn't be a "hey look, I do gambits see?" kind of gambit, would it? I see you Wilgy.

What gambit are you talking about?

I wanted to do an ISO in detail on Sprityo, but I didn't have time.

Is the gambit called being busy?

Eh, moving for anti shenanigans.

That explains your questions about Dom's death then Sprit.

I'm not a cop, but this:

sprityo wrote:@DrWilgy with Dom being killed and also pushing to kill JoH earlier, how do you think this reflects back at JoH?

Wasn't asked by a knowledgeless civ.

Along with your bad vote yesterday and buddying of me, I thought you were Gfish's teammate.

Your question makes me think you had knowledge or silenced JoH and were setting him up to kill him.

LC I don't want to fuck you, rather tenderly embrace you in my arms.

I'll respond in alt colors.

Long Con wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:LC. If I were bad and wanted to get you lynched would I do it through a fakeslip?

Forgive me for jumping to the obvious conclusion.
Well let's use a recent example of someone that I wanted gone, and got rid of, did I do that with Gfish?

What other reason can you gather why I'd do that?

I really, really, really, really have no clue at all. I have only seen this kind of "slip" done offensively.
It was offensive. You are right. Why would a civ do that? You only see the angle why a mafia would do it and it's a poor one too.

What reason would I call you bad?

Because I'm calling Epignosis and you out as Reapers, and you want me to be gone? This whole thing proves that whatever monkey-typewriter setup you've got working inside your skull is something too foreign for me to ever comprehend. I hope you're getting lots of enjoyment with your "let's fuck with Long Con" game, because I'm not likely to believe you're Civ anytime soon.
Have I voted for you once? LC, I want to read you, not kill you. Your actions are very straightforward and seem almost disgenuine because of this. You speculate vastly and I think you have a tendancy to tinfoil. Why would I want you gone? You are one of the 2 that think I'm bad and that makes the game much more comfortable to me than everyone is going "LOOK AT THAT SUPATOWN WILGY".

Holy crap, Nifty broke the site.

Good on you.

Adam, I just voted you so I could see the poll w/o mashing the "see votes" button very time.

LC. If I were bad and wanted to get you lynched would I do it through a fakeslip? What other reason can you gather why I'd do that? What reason would I call you bad?

I think we should Lynch Sprityo today. And will vote there. Explanation will come after.

Dammit LC, why are you bad? You have been freking out about some fakeslip that you already knew about and joked about yourself.

1st response to the fakeslip. LC responds jokingly.

Long Con wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Ok, so I'm thinking we send LC to kill Bob while I'll role block MP.

No, I don't want to kill bob.

Then explains why he wouldn't kill bob (as if he was on a team that could kill amirite?)

Long Con wrote:

colonialbob wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Ok, so I'm thinking we send LC to kill Bob while I'll role block MP.

I mean, it's not even a realistic plan to be suggesting. Wouldn't I be a poor choice to be "the killer", seeing as how I was the leader of the Llama lynch? I think I'm a pretty likely candidate to get tracked tonight. Especially since I'm so "hard to read".

A day goes on and suddenly LC brings it back up in a worry state -

Long Con wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Ok, so I'm thinking we send LC to kill Bob while I'll role block MP.

Hey!

Why didn't anyone comment on this? Wilgy tried to fakeslip and get me in trouble and no one even blinked an eye.

And now you are in a full panic state

Long Con wrote:

Fredwood wrote:I think Adam and I approach the game similarly, and a lot of his none gfish posts made a lot of sense or I agreed with reasoning and the line of logic and tact he took. I think this leads to my biggest problem with not picking him up when he's scum. I think with my inherent weakness of reading Adam, and the fact there is two mafia, I'm willing to temper my town read on Adam and go with consensus here if that's where we want to go, I just won't be a huge fan of it, and in a standard situation I wouldn't vote for him.

This paragraph felt super-wack when I first read it. I was like "Is this guy drunk?"

Then I said, "Wait - I'm a little drunk", and I went to read it again with you sounding like some intellectual. It held together a little better that way. I can't figure out what you meant to type for "and a lot of his none gfish posts made a lot of sense" because somethin' ain't right there. Help a brother out.

Not that I was considering accusing you of anything. You're, like, that Civ guy.

Seriously though, What the fuck is up with Wilgy fakeslipping to incriminate me? Why is no one even reacting in any way to that at all??!!!!

Am I being selfish, or overly sensitive? Is this, like, a common joke for everyone? I think that even the lamest fakeslip deserves a tiny bit of reaction in some way. I do not understand how there can be NOTHINGNOTHINGNOTHING said about it.

Why? Especially when previously you could roll your eyes at the subject? What changed?

sprityo wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

sprityo wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:What do you think on the Matter Sprit?

I see it as a WIFOM sitation where either Cerberus killed Dom to reflect bad on JoH so we lynch JoH who is still an enigma, or JoH is Cerberus and wants us to believe as such.

Or maybe a third option and I'm speaking in hypotheticals again.

So what do you gain from your question?

Mostly just wanted a second opinion about it, but it turns out you didn't really help me out at all so whatever.

i just took an outstanding 4 hour nap, so sorry about the late response

Sprit, opinion on what? You gave 3 views.

Long Con wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Long Con wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Ok, so I'm thinking we send LC to kill Bob while I'll role block MP.

Hey!

Why didn't anyone comment on this? Wilgy tried to fakeslip and get me in trouble and no one even blinked an eye.

Get YOU in trouble? LC, it would've clearly gotten us in trouble.

I just think it's funny that Bob actually died.

I don't think it is that funny. I've been the victim of this shit before. Thinking about it makes me a little mad.

Vote Wilgy

Ok... are you lynching me for being bad or for making you mad?

At least it's not Epi.

I wonder were Sprityo went. Has JoH peeked his head in awhile?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Apologies for the continued shit activity. It's been busy as fuck lately. I've hardly had time for anything.

I'll catch up in full sometime today I'm sure; I should have time.

Yeah, you be sorry you lean mean [size=.01]sexy[/size] mafia fighting machine.

Long Con wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Ok, so I'm thinking we send LC to kill Bob while I'll role block MP.

Hey!

Why didn't anyone comment on this? Wilgy tried to fakeslip and get me in trouble and no one even blinked an eye.

Get YOU in trouble? LC, it would've clearly gotten us in trouble.

I just think it's funny that Bob actually died.

sprityo wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:What do you think on the Matter Sprit?

I see it as a WIFOM sitation where either Cerberus killed Dom to reflect bad on JoH so we lynch JoH who is still an enigma, or JoH is Cerberus and wants us to believe as such.

Or maybe a third option and I'm speaking in hypotheticals again.

So what do you gain from your question?

What do you think on the Matter Sprit?

DrWilgy wrote:

sprityo wrote:@DrWilgy with Dom being killed and also pushing to kill JoH earlier, how do you think this reflects back at JoH?

Hmm... I misread this, I thought you said "do you think."

Not "how"

Indifference really. Dom was supatown.

sprityo wrote:@DrWilgy with Dom being killed and also pushing to kill JoH earlier, how do you think this reflects back at JoH?

Possibly, why do you ask?

Long Con wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:I'd think Epi would want to win with civs, as that is somewhat standard.

If we lynch a civ today he may choose otherwise.

Ok...

Epignosis wrote:Right now my projections currently predict the civilians getting positively hosed.

This is a guy who is going to choose to win with the Civs? He says this after only two Civilians are dead.

You think Epi will just choose the easiest option? You also think he's saying these things for his own health?

@LC, I'd say that it's 50/50

I'd think Epi would want to win with civs, as that is somewhat standard.

If we lynch a civ today he may choose otherwise.

Regardless he doesn't count for win condition and he has to hunt Cerberus regardless of faction. I see no reason to vote for Epi unless his vote could swing it for the reapers.

Epi doesn't even know who the reapers are inherently, so

Also good morning. I'm hungover and busy today so idk how active I can be. I'd like to hit a Reaper today if possible.

JoH, why do you think Cerberus killed Dom?

Long Con wrote:Dude, you read wrong, but your mistake... god dammit, it looks good on you.

What? How?

Long Con, this is why I'm having trouble trusting you anymore. Especially for someone who threw together a cheatsheet for the roles.
- "If you align with the Reapers, you will not join them in BTSC or be made aware of their identities. They will be made aware of yours."

This is directly from Geth's role. This implies that even if I were a Reaper, I wouldn't know of his existence unless he chose n1 and I was notified of him.

This means Epi - Didn't use the full allotted time to see which side was winning, and revealed his role information to us in-spite of being a baddie.

You actually believe that? You also think that Epi would choose to join the Reapers before n3? Why would Epi do that?

Long Con wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:@Dom - My suspicion on Nut is just there because she hasn't contributed enough for me to say otherwise. She's not a Cerberus, and I don't trust her yet... So Reaper!

@EVERYONE
I'm tired of this Judge Judy bullshit. I need from each player, in only 3 sentences minimum, who are GFish's teammates and why.

My own -
LC and Raven are GFish's teammates. LC for his interactions with Epi during the past cycle. Raven for Gfish's "out of left field" question, and acceptance of sub-par answers (IMO).

I think the fastest way for us to deal with Cerberus is to tie up both LC and Raven. Lay them both down so their heads are relatively on top of each other, then drop a really, really, heavy rock on both of their heads. There will be a crunch, then a host message that Cerberus has been womp womp'd.

I don't know if you are worth trying to reason with, but you are wrong. I'm not Cerberus. Go drop a rock on your own head, as far as I'm concerned there's no reason not to believe you're a Reaper.

M'kay, do you have reason to believe I AM a Reaper? By all means, drop a rock on my head if you think that'll win you the game.

@Dom - My suspicion on Nut is just there because she hasn't contributed enough for me to say otherwise. She's not a Cerberus, and I don't trust her yet... So Reaper!

@EVERYONE
I'm tired of this Judge Judy bullshit. I need from each player, in only 3 sentences minimum, who are GFish's teammates and why.

My own -
LC and Raven are GFish's teammates. LC for his interactions with Epi during the past cycle. Raven for Gfish's "out of left field" question, and acceptance of sub-par answers (IMO).

I think the fastest way for us to deal with Cerberus is to tie up both LC and Raven. Lay them both down so their heads are relatively on top of each other, then drop a really, really, heavy rock on both of their heads. There will be a crunch, then a host message that Cerberus has been womp womp'd.

linki - neat!

Tuck n roll bitches

All I know right now is that for Cerberus to have a chance, they need to hit a Reaper so both teams would be suffering from interaction hunting.

Let's role block the shit out of them.

Because based on Epi's role, he probably doesn't have btsc with the other Reapers.

It's not as much of a loss than yourself, especially when you are unsure of Epi.

JoH, I don't know the case on you. What I do know is that under pressure you didn't act like a dying civ.

Reads -

Likely Cerberus:
LC, MP, TSP, Silver... maaaaybe Sprit

Likely Reaper:
JoH, Nut, Raven

If I die tonight, I'd like to see LC and JoH lynched next. JoH's behavior before Gfish took off wasn't indicative of a civilian.

I would like to know Raven's correlation to Dom.

Hey role blockers, I advise you aim for Gfish's team tonight

Oh that feels good.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Consider me confused then. Lol.

I would say that this makes gfish's claim sound like BS, but why would gfish lie about this in such blatantly illogical form if mafia? That's what I don't understand.

MP, just bus him. Let's not draw this out.

I'm not bad, but nice try.

Did I say you were bad? Jumping to conclusions much?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Consider me confused then. Lol.

I would say that this makes gfish's claim sound like BS, but why would gfish lie about this in such blatantly illogical form if mafia? That's what I don't understand.

MP, just bus him. Let's not draw this out.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:My apologies to our fine hosts as well as you all for my absence. My schedule took an unexpected turn yesterday and what I thought was going to be a mostly off day but still at home ended up being a mostly off day with an impromptu road trip and spending time with my wife which I really needed. It just means today I've been playing massive work catchup.

I won't be able to catch up on this thread before EoD I'm sure, and I still have more work to do throughout the evening, so I'll try to get the gist of what's going on, at least make a vote, and be more properly engaged in time for the next phase.

tell her I say hi

You bet, bud.

So what's going on, Doctor Wilgy? Want to give me a quick rundown? Why are you voting the way you are?

Tl;dr A group wants JoH dead, though I haven't really been paying attention to this case, Epi claims indi which creates a group voting for him as he's not town beneficial, I argue that it won't gain us info and argued for the Gfish wagon which recently took off.

I'm voting Gfish because I do not believe he is hunting. I also do not believe his role claim in which he chose to role block Epi instead of alignment check him when the possibility was there.

MovingPictures07 wrote:My apologies to our fine hosts as well as you all for my absence. My schedule took an unexpected turn yesterday and what I thought was going to be a mostly off day but still at home ended up being a mostly off day with an impromptu road trip and spending time with my wife which I really needed. It just means today I've been playing massive work catchup.

I won't be able to catch up on this thread before EoD I'm sure, and I still have more work to do throughout the evening, so I'll try to get the gist of what's going on, at least make a vote, and be more properly engaged in time for the next phase.

tell her I say hi

gfishfunk wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

gfishfunk wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Any legacy posts Gfish?

I have an hour and forty-five minutes to think of something. I'll try to compose something worth reading in the interim.

Is it an hour 45? Are my dst settings wrong?

When does the thread close?

I see 40 min on my end.

gfishfunk wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Any legacy posts Gfish?

I have an hour and forty-five minutes to think of something. I'll try to compose something worth reading in the interim.

Is it an hour 45? Are my dst settings wrong?

Any legacy posts Gfish?