The Syndicate

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 10:08 pm Also after “SVS we all love you”, I’ll never trust Wilgy again ha ha

Ok, but to my defense, I didn't need to lie there.

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 9:15 pm Yes very good game everyone

except you wilgy I hate you [angry emoji]

I'm pretty sure me suggesting a GTH with 6 min remaining before EoD is going to be a permanent mafia memory now. That was the most fun I've had with an EoD in a long time.

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 8:27 pm Just to be clear....I did not ask them to save you!

Pssh, yeah right. (for legal purposes this is a joke, Kate didn't ask, however we still fulfilled our promise to protect Dennis)

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 8:22 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 8:21 pm Don't be so hard on yourself Dennis. You were doing well I think.

I may have had TMI, but I had a hard time saying you were W even though I had to.
Mr wilgy how do you find yourself in the best situation possible to solve and manage to come to the exact wrong answer

I don't think a f7 where it's 4/3 is a good situation at all for town. Town only needs to be wrong once in that situation and If anything I'd think that's the most difficult spot to be in and you ended up landing on the correct wagon come EoD.

Maybe had Epi/Seanzie/I not been able to EoD coordinate, Epi would've flipped and I would've at least immediately gone after. I'd be up to Seanzie then, idk how that goes.

What I'm trying to say is that everyone played this game very well. I saw you doing your best to solve. Also SixStrings getting better is a scary concept.

Don't be so hard on yourself Dennis. You were doing well I think.

I may have had TMI, but I had a hard time saying you were W even though I had to.

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 8:18 pm Never woulda got seanzie

Wilgy I was eyebrowing cause of how little he talked

Epi well I mean I was voting him and his show up at the end made me want to stay

Aye, never really had the need to add more data to the gamestate this last day.

I mean, I was also busy as hell most of the cycle, but I was at least not going to scramble when I gained time shortly before EoD.

Good game everyone.

I was legitimately scared that y'all were about to all in on Epi and crack the game open.

And like, if I'm just wrong on my Splints read GG lol

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 4:58 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 4:49 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 3:42 pm But on a more serious note, we actually have to come together here.
Yar.

Re my headspace: I think I need to stop tinfoiling Falcon and that's about it.

Not voting in Splints, Sean, or Falcon.

I should be around later, this weekend has been busy as all hell.
About that...

If there is even the least chance you won't be around for EoD, can you move your vote? A single wrong vote loses us the game if the wolves are around to snipe at EoD.

Yar

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine I still think is the best route today. Literally the only variable that COULD have been W influence on that wagon last cycle was Six.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 3:42 pm But on a more serious note, we actually have to come together here.

Yar.

Re my headspace: I think I need to stop tinfoiling Falcon and that's about it.

Not voting in Splints, Sean, or Falcon.

I should be around later, this weekend has been busy as all hell.

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 3:30 pm Oh I was just about to pop in and complain

@DrWilgy please vote if you're town we literally lose if you don't

K

[VOTE: Seanzie ] aubergine

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 1:34 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:25 pm I agree with Seanzie that we are finally seeing town Falcon.

I'm concerned that it's some bottom of the 9th bullshit though in spite of his tinfoil and reads feeling they are coming from a place of legitimacy. I very much wish we could've solved you earlier.

You also being town making Epi the d1 wolf vote on you makes sense too.
And also! Liquid courage inspired...why does it seem you're...miffed? I dunno, like irked almost that you can solve me now.

I'd think town would be HAPPY to find town, no?

I mean, if you are town yeah I'd be happy.

I've seen you go from a day of nada to a day of solving to a day of nada again, often that's indicative of your town game. The day of solving, that is.

It's just like I said, the fact that it had to come to the final hour to show your day of solving is concerning. Idk if when you do this is alignment indicative or not though.

@Dennis you still think that it's Splints/Falcon/Six?

I agree with Seanzie that we are finally seeing town Falcon.

I'm concerned that it's some bottom of the 9th bullshit though in spite of his tinfoil and reads feeling they are coming from a place of legitimacy. I very much wish we could've solved you earlier.

You also being town making Epi the d1 wolf vote on you makes sense too.

Meh, if you are correct then, I think it'd imply that there is more possibility of Six bussing though and that'd break my thoughts on a dif there.

W Epi not going for the save means W's are convinced Dennis is doomed and thus Six wouldn't need to be on another wagon.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 1:44 pmHow does Epi justify moving off my slot to save Dennis? It would out them both, Epi has had no read progression and hasn't even interacted w/ Mata.

There's no reason to believe that Epi is not paired w/ Dennis based off EOD, in fact I'd say it's the opposite...why does town Epi show up at EOD to do nothing? He doesn't move his vote, he doesn't make any new reads

This makes sense, but seems to be made in assumption.

i.e. W Epi doing the save may be a death sentence, but only if W Dennis goes over in the next cycle. Like, we are assuming that W Epi would have known that his teammate Dennis is 100% going today for the lack of movement to be an attempt to distance.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 11:26 am If Dennis is wolf, his teammates can be Epi, six, and falcon? Gotta look up the comparability on the last. Going off memory atm

Seanzie brought this up, but I think it's unlikely for W Epi to risk his teammate W Dennis during EoD last night.

Quick answers for some things I saw because I'm short on time:
Splints I include you on my VCA analysis, but that doesn't mean I suspect you.

Falcon I town read Splints and Epi as it stands. I don't see a team that Epi could be on. He's likely not W/W with Dennis, and he's likely not W/W with you, and I don't think that Epi/Seanzie are W/W based on Seanzie D2.

Team exercises put me at a likely team of
SixStrings/Falcon/Seanzie
Dennis/Falcon/Seanzie

Unlikely team of Epi/Splints/SixStrings exists? I think I just lose if this is the team though.

Immediate observations:
The D1 Neon wagon being pure is gross and means that wolves stacked on Falcon OR Syn. I just realized Falcon didn't have a vote d1 and that skews things slightly.

Still at least 1 in Seanzie, Splints, Dennis based on Neon D2

I see a difference check between Dennis and Six.
A. Dennis is W and the wagon is Pure (would make sense as Splints is still likely town).
B. Dennis is T and the wolf on board has to be Six.

Potential of 2 on Mata D3.

Seanzie has been on each misyeet.

Vote consolidations:

Epignosis 1
Syn

Falcon 2
Epignosis, Splints

Lemonfairy 1
Neon

Neon 3
Lemonfairy, Matahari, Roxy

Syn 5
S~V~S, Dennis, SixStrings, Seanzie, DrWilgy

Dennis 1
Epignosis

Epignosis 1
LemonFairy

LemonFairy 1
SixStrings

Neon 5
Seanzie, Matahari, Roxy, Splints, Dennis

Roxy 2
DrWilgy, Neon

Seanzie 1
Falcon

Dennis 4
Splints, SixStrings, Matahari, Roxy

Falcon 1
Epignosis

Matahari 4
Dennis, Falcon, DrWilgy, Seanzie

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 12:13 am (If you don't wanna read, pretty much I say I think there was a better kill every night) SVS was pretty much spewed town by everyone, so that felt like the most optimal kill to me then. Then lemonfairy which was actually a bit confusing, but they were the most sctive (they actually still have the most posts) and quiet thread tends to mean wolves are happy. Shutting up lemon could only really benefit wolves imo. Finally Roxy was like almost immediately a "oh that's meant to frame me", which I realize you guys can't exactly know, but that's what it is fmpov so like all I can really say is just trust me bro I also would be very wary of anyone who says something like "Dennis is new so of course he would night kill people giving him trouble" cause I'm not that naive or dumb and most people should know that

I don't understand why framing you would be the go to on the analysis re Roxy.

Splints and Roxy had each other as town lock and I ended up coming around on Roxy during EoD last cycle.

Also the way you say this is just kinda weird. (Tldr the NK's were bad) but then you go to express why each NK was good?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 11:16 pm Wilgy still being alive is worrisome tbh, I felt he'd been pretty towny with comparing vote lists and etc, but he's still alive.

[VOTE: wilgy] aubergine

Why is it more worrisome that I'm alive as opposed to Splints?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 7:57 pm You know the game. I yell names. Everyone responds with town or wolf only.

EPI
SPLINTS
SIX

Town
Town
Wolf

You know the game. I yell names. Everyone responds with town or wolf only.

EPI
SPLINTS
SIX

Do we have time for some GTH?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 7:52 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 7:51 pm Why is there like a tribal dance going on with the votes here
Falcon and Wilgy are your wolfmates trying to save you, and I'm just hard-wolfsiding for shiz and giggles.

Ah, thank you mr extrawolf

I'm around.

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 7:49 pm Looks like I'm going over

Can't say I didn't see this coming but insert shrug emoji here

Roxy and Splints doing some yugioh fusion dance this day should definitely be looked at

Wilgy's TR on me is a little weird cause apparently I've been platying scummy, but like I still think he's town

If I think of anything else I'll say it

I think you and Mata have the highest chance to be wolves on Neon.

However, Mata was a wolf on Neon twice now.

I step away to watch probably the coolest EP of Mando yet and all hell breaks loose apparently.

I disapprove.

Not voting in Mata feels like a mistake to me.

From D1 I see the following to be likely:

1 wolf in Falcon, Epi, Splints based on the d1 Falcon Wagon. Likely just Falcon.

1 wolf in Matahari, Roxy. Likely just Mata.

1 wolf in Dennis, Six, Seanzie. Not sure between Dennis and Six.

From D2 I see:

1-2 wolves on Neon Wagon. This includes Mata and Dennis who appeared in the d1 spread.

Vote consolidations:

Epignosis 1
Syn

Falcon 2
Epignosis, Splints

Lemonfairy 1
Neon

Neon 3
Lemonfairy, Matahari, Roxy

Syn 5
S~V~S, Dennis, SixStrings, Seanzie, DrWilgy

Dennis 1
Epignosis

Epignosis 1
LemonFairy

LemonFairy 1
SixStrings

Neon 5
Seanzie, Matahari, Roxy, Splints, Dennis

Roxy 2
DrWilgy, Neon

Seanzie 1
Falcon

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 12:10 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 11:33 am I have a slight tr on Roxy now.

No I will not elaborate.

[VOTE: Mata] aubergine
Why Mata?

Mata is the element I find to be the most likely scum on the Neon wagon. I HIGHLY doubt that was a pure wagon.

I have a slight tr on Roxy now.

No I will not elaborate.

[VOTE: Mata] aubergine

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 1:03 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 12:54 pm Perhaps I didn't understand it when I first read it, but the conclusion was that Epi/Dennis are aligned because they both took the bait that you found Splints suspect?

Dennis took it and ran, I am still very unsure of Epi. I have a hard time reading him that's why he is the end of my list.

So you are suspicious of me and my poe and my explanation of your hedgey-ness was unsuitable.

Most townie lists will contain a town or two. Yours is no better or worse than my own. I am not quite sure how to respond to that so....yea idc about my poe yesterday I care about today. We are so close to losing to the mafia reads will change as they should.

Aye, so my explanation of reads were as full as I could provide because specifically that's what Lemon asked for. This includes what variables impact that read such as detractions.

It made me feel that the call of them being forced wasn't really in good faith because forced didn't make sense to me and perhaps that was leftover when you had explained that you meant hedgey instead.

I am starting to think that there's a world where I'm incorrect on you. Thinking about the Lemon NK after I had been pushing Lemon for two days almost feels as if it's trying to steer me into you. IDK if W Roxy does that.

I'll reassess Dennis Epi and Seanzie and see if there's room for my reads to be wrong. I think that Splints is really the one read I'm still very confident on.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 1:05 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 12:48 pm Yes splints I agree

Unbeknownst to splints I purposely said I thought her take about SVS was ping-worthy.

It wasn't. splints is Townie.

I did it to see who would jump onboard hoping for an easy imv/lhf elim.

Dennis - I was keeping an eye on you and I am sorry to say you have failed my test.

To me looks like we have a double teaming with Epi all - Roxy, Roxy, Roxy.

And Dennis all - splints, splints, splints.
@DrWilgy you didn't understand this?

I thought i was very clear.

It honestly took me reading it 3 times to get to the response I provided. I didn't see where it was 'double teaming' and didn't understand what that implied until you clarified.

Perhaps I didn't understand it when I first read it, but the conclusion was that Epi/Dennis are aligned because they both took the bait that you found Splints suspect?

@Roxy can you elaborate on your Dennis read for me in current?

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 12:03 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 11:37 am I'd like for everyone to chime in on Mata.

It feels weird that we were able to easily see T Mata in Muppets even with the low number of posts, but not this game.

I see a difference between the two Matas but don't know why.
I think she’s bad. She’s careful and calculated with her words. That probably makes her sound sinister lol but no she’s just generally very deliberate in everything she says.

But I think we need to start looking more at “who is the team” bigger picture to solve atm

Anyone want to GTH reads? Who is the team?

GTH: Roxy, Mata, Falcon

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 12:07 pm for me Mata, Dennis, Six

so you do not trust me this game @DrWilgy but really you don't "trust" me in any game so far that I can remember since Felt.

I don't know if that one is true. I feel like there are some games where I can find T Roxy. I know I was wrong last game at least, but my immediate memory doesn't go that far back.

I'll see if I can find the last time I was correct and compare. My main concern is that I really don't see your argument that my posts are hedgey and that your PoE just felt bad yesterday.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 8:05 pmIt's not rapport based, it's just he's personally witnessed multiple D1 town falcon lynches.

It's NAI for Sean to not want to flip me D1

When I skim you Falcon, this is really the only post that I see that points towards T Falcon.

I don't think W Falcon feels the need to even respond here, unless you are specifically teamed with Seanzie. Your vote on Seanzie seems contrary to this though. Talk to me about this.

@falcon45ca do you feel like you've been unattached from this game?

Who do you think is wolf as it stands?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 11:36 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 11:34 am Good morning.

We did that thing again where we yeeted a townie who was actively contributing while having multiple low posters again.

Sadge.
Who's your top low poster baddie?

I think it's because I don't trust Roxy this affecting my read of Six, but I think I think that in terms of low posters suspicion it's (from most sus to least) Mata > You > Six.

I'd like for everyone to chime in on Mata.

It feels weird that we were able to easily see T Mata in Muppets even with the low number of posts, but not this game.

I see a difference between the two Matas but don't know why.

Good morning.

We did that thing again where we yeeted a townie who was actively contributing while having multiple low posters again.

Sadge.

SixStrings wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 9:39 pm My read list ...

Likely town
Seanzie
Roxy
fingersplints
Neon

Town leaning
Dennis
DrWilgy

Wolf leaning
Epignosis
falcon45ca
Matahari
Lemonfairy

And while I disagree on Roxy, this list is fine I suppose.

Roxy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:22 am Dennis - feels ok
DrWilgy - feels off but yet still ok
splints - feels off since the start off this day
Epignosis - feels ? but I am extremely unsure
falcon45ca - feels ok
Lemon - feels ok
Neon - is bad
SixStrings - is probs bad
Matahari - feels ok but I am unsure
Seanzie - feels ok

so for me Neon, Six, and splints, Epi

I am having a heller Monday with lots of meeting, one firing and a shit ton of paperwork. I'll try to be around when I can.

I'm legitimately unsure as to what deems Falcon as ok and Mata as ok but Six as probs bad.

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:51 pm We really gonna kill the new guy for no real reason eh?

I mean, I don't have a real reason to delay at this point. There's not enough data to read them.

I really don't know how to interpret their behavior. It feels like well, just unsure, but neither unsure W or unsure T and idk how we'd get there.

I agree with you Roxy's read list is bad and think I could comfortably vote there.

I do not like that you are self voting tbh.

I was about to vote Lemon and was kinda on board with that until I realized Six was voting there.

Further re Roxy:
I do find it odd that saying my reads are forced without actually applying any real opinions of your own regarding those reads at least on Seanzie and Dennis.

Like outside of Epi and Splints do you agree with my PoE at all?

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