The Syndicate

(also that was me being sassy, nothing more. You are all a delight.)

Now, if anyone needs me, allow me to say I'm leaving the thread to go to the doctor's office, as apparently that is needed

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:29 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:57 am OK, I did a quick skim of Guillos last dozen or so posts, and he doesn't seem particularly bad to me. I am not agreeing with what he's saying (obvs) but he's saying it in an open way.

I see Wilgy voted for him, and Wilgy has recent bad Guillo experience, so i want to see his opinion there, so I'll try to read back on them at work today. hasta la vista folks.

I mean the early Guillo vote was just that, an early Guillo vote. As it stands, they are in the realm of light sr to null. They continue to insist on silly worlds, I think I saw Wilgy/SVS as their proposed solve and they insist on "well there's one in Wilgy/Michelle and it's not Michelle" which feels like a forced perspective. I do think Epi's observations on how Guillo has postured you on fallback, scummy but always fallback, is Wolfy from Guillo and a good observation by Epi.

I've kinda touched on meta already,

Guillo is good at what I'd describe as "forced town perspective" and trying to be volume spewed. Their play this game feels very reminiscent of interactions I read between W Guillo and T Seanzie in the fame you referenced. While it's not something I'd say I'm confident of, it is something that scratches at my skull.

@LinearPoint I suppose you are correct. I thought this was valid in voicing the concern I had with Guillo's casing, but I was incorrect as I should've elaborated more.

#214 part 1 reflects on Guillo saying Michelle had the same reaction and the progression doesn't make sense from that perspective.

I think this is gross, Michelle joined thread seeing the gamestate was dead and then decided to do something about it. Went into discussing mechanics, sheeped a vote, etc. The progression in RVS makes sense and to scum read for that progression feels wrong to me.

Feels like an AHA! YOU TOOK THE BAIT, when taking the bait was actually completely NAI.

#215 is kinda shitty as it just kinda shames Michelle for trying to solve during RVS or at least push us through it. Even in meta, michelle finds that it's easier to tr players with a more jovial attitude, so why wouldn't Michelle use that to solve during rvs against fluff?

#216 Saying that Michelle is attempting to fake a derp? You would be well aware that's within my own MO, so I can kinda see it existing, BUT I have no way of knowing if Michelle would do that. Further Michelle discussing mech brought us out of RVS and was net positive for town.

#217 actually has a perceivable truth in it. I did think that Michelle's earlier posts reflected a W perspective and I can find parts to agree with in this one.

#220 is kinda gross. I get finding assoc's pre flip. Figuring out who's not W/W in order to accelerate the reduction of PoE makes sense. pre flip like it was done in isolation, does nothing but push the person of interest and reinforce a story that you shouldn't know as correct. IF #220 wasn't just a post to push the narrative, I'd expect more full preflip analysis from Guillo on everyone, especially when they are 'bored because the thread is dead.'

Does this iterate why I feel that Guillo's read on Michelle comes across as a false narrative?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 12:48 pm It seems people are quite confident in their solves so I'll happily assume town is crushing this and let myself be carried to a win.

NO! Get your ass back here Radishman!

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:49 am @DrWilgy Like LP said some similar things, and I get it I take sus from people who don’t know me often. I don’t question their take on me. My town game tends to be chaotic and many/most read that as wolfy.

This is why I’m waffling on Epi. I can’t imagine him making this case Day One as a baddie. But I’m having troubles seeing him make it as town either.

from a town perspective, taking me out of discussion wouldn’t be the worst thing. I’ll just be a distraction going forward. I’m kinda OMGUSsed right now and don’t know how useful I’ll be anyhow.

Linki, oh sure anyone can comment on snything. But that specific remark was mostly aimed at Epi. That post seemed like more nitpicking than I expect from Day One Epi.

I see it very strictly from a town perspective from Epi fwiw.

I keep reading over your response to Epi's case on you, the only argument that stands out to me you made towards Epi that'd imply 'having troubles seeing him make it as town' is this one here:

Panic? I was asking him to expand on his reads. Which is what people do. This whole post so far feels like youre reading into what I'm saying *trying* to find a reason to suspect me.

Asking a person to explain their reads is EXACTLY trying to understand his colors, and I had no questions about the rest of the list. I think I have a fairly good feel for Wilgy most of the time, but i've been spectacularly wrong (see: Meta) so sorting Wilgy is important to me. Besides, as an old school player, you know I'm more interested in peoples baddie reads than their town reads.

This post is such a stretch, especially from you, that I'm fairly sure you're town, too. Because, like me, I don't see you making up something like this Day One.

Can you elaborate on why you struggle to see both W and T Epi making the case on you?

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 12:29 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:09 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 5:34 pm @Guillotine Are you currently scum reading Wilgy? I was mostly curious since Wilgy also had voted with Seanize at the same time Michelle was doing and I recall you mentioning that Wilgy was flip-floppy with their reading of you.

I'm thinking Wilgy looks a bit worse than Michelle in this situation. Mostly due to the fact Wilgy is more or less letting you just go at Michelle here when the same argument you are presenting also applies to Wilgy. There was also the point that Wilgy agreed with me on Town reading Michelle, whom I jotted down that Wilgy was scum reading early. And despite as of post #149 Wilgy moving over to Town reading Michelle, they have seemed content to allow you to just go after her freely, unquestioned.

What do you mean by this? Why would I interject for Michelle rather than try to solve between Guillo/Michelle as I observe their interactions. While I do think it's likely Michelle saw the same 'poopoo on the thread' that resulted in the vote that I did, I gave reasoning for it (at michelle's request) to which Michelle was in agreement with. I wouldn't be able to parse weather or not Michelle just took the reason I gave as their own in mimicry or not.

I feel as if you didn't read why I had Michelle in the read before posting this. I'd advise looking at that again. Michelle's equity, even early, was always in direct contrast to Guillo, the better I feel about Guillo the worse I feel about Michelle and the inverse. Both of them had reasons to be red in my first rainbow.

I asked Wilgy the question earlier about what they would read me and Falcon as if both SVS and you were Town. They were adamant that falcon would always be Town, even if it turns out they are currently leading a mischop, but were not willing to say I was Mafia or Town either way in that same scenario.


To me with what you were saying about Wilgy earlier and their answer to my question I think they might be scum hedging their bets a bit and trying not to get too in the way of anyone spearheading a vote.

Yes, because Falcon has extensive meta to reflect that their posting is town. It has nothing to do with any equity towards or against other players. I do not have that same read for you.

Outside of Michelle, do you have any other instances where I'm hedging as opposed to solving? I think 112 put it well in your recent game, 'is me hedging scum indicative? OR is it me parsing the data and moving reads around?'

Trying to deflect and say I did not read your posts is not going to do a whole lot to convince me. I've read through your posts and the game significantly more than you have if I were a betting man.

I know full well you do not think they are a scum pair, that was pretty obvious by your firsts reads list. The point was that you were, up to the point I made your quoted post, a fairly active person in the discussion. So you to suddenly drop a response to my town read of Michelle with an affirmation that you agreed, then proceeded to step aside and not comment further on Guillotine or Michelle when Guillotine was laying out their case for Michelle is very odd to me. I would expect for someone who had a strong wolf read on Guillotine and a (at least) a town lean on Michelle to comment on the ongoing case that their scum read was making on a town read of there's.

The fact that you said you were trying to avoid talking about it looks even worse for you in my eyes. For Wolf!Wilgy this is just a win/win/win. You get a free mislynch on Michelle and you can pawn it off on Guillotine because you were already scum reading them and all you had to do was put no effort into defending your town read while you main scum read pushes.

Advising how I feel on a subject is not deflecting. I did not say you did not read it, I said how it made me feel about it. The advisement comes regardless of if you did or not. It is not a competition of who read more you silly chameleon.

I had to get back to work and returned to the thread when I could. I'd glance at it on my phone, but without the ability to invest time into it I felt no need to comment. I could barely absorb the information from Guillo's and Michelle's big posts (something I'm just kinda bad at in general). I have also commented on it upon returning. Still very much feels in the realm of forced narrative from Guillo.

There's a big difference between 'I'm trying to avoid talking about it' and 'I'm not going to interject.' I've spoken about it. I think out of Michelle/Guillo at this point, there's likely a W guillo but not Michelle. Again, Guillo feels like they've been forcing a narrative that isn't accurate.

I also wasn't aware that you were referring to specifically when I had to step away. Seems kinda shifty to sr someone for that. Like I was just working.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:35 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:06 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:30 am I am kinda astounded that this is the most suspicious thing people are finding. That I made a word choice that was perhaps not the best word choice, and I'm getting raked over the coals for it now. the fact that you think I would faux banter or set up faux suspish with a teammate tells me you don't understand my game at all.

we have several low posters, is it actually that astounding? by the nature of the players who are present mid-high posting, everyone will find things to see as towny (correct or not).

This is cut from my reply to Epi right?

I don’t think it’s surprising for many of the people playing this game; I think it’s surprising from Epi.

I thought 'people are finding' people being a keyword opened the thought process up to the consensus.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:24 am

cat wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 2:54 am I don't see what people see about SVS so i will stay off.

To me reading Michelle posts actually seems more like baiting discussion than actually slipping something, she came back from work, started talking to people and trying to rile them up, unlike Guillotina who did nothing to start and start flailing when they get called out... I don't know the attentiveness of th people here but i'm pretty sure directly talking to people is more likely to create actual discussion then ignoring them. I won't give pointers since im a reactionary player myself but if you want to get people to talk about you it's much better to do something else than make the entire thread suspect you by saying something bland or generic

cat wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:01 am

cat wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 2:54 am I don't see what people see about SVS so i will stay off.

To reiterate SVS seems awkward and is fighting a pointless battle. Who cares if Michelle is agressive or not if you yourself think Michelle is null for it. Just drop the subject.
But it's also not necesarily damning.

Why does it feel like you're content sitting on the sidelines, w/ commentary, but no real reads that I can see?

This was the same feel I had. Feels like there should be some sort of conclusion that's just missing.

Kinda 'ew'-ed at it when I read it initially.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:20 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:54 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 3:40 pm Guillo's prolly town, he's swinging at anything he finds sus

Are we playing different games? Guillo's openly advised they are tunneling and they've been hyper fixated upon me/michelle while at the same time svs is scum but didn't say anything about that one?

Some of this just aligns w/ how I've come to expect T Guillo to play, he tunnels all the time, but his soft claim is sus AF IMO






What's your take on his claim?

a pr knowing that they can negate the one tool town has going for them is not town sided. NAI at best, W at worst.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:30 am I am kinda astounded that this is the most suspicious thing people are finding. That I made a word choice that was perhaps not the best word choice, and I'm getting raked over the coals for it now. the fact that you think I would faux banter or set up faux suspish with a teammate tells me you don't understand my game at all.

we have several low posters, is it actually that astounding? by the nature of the players who are present mid-high posting, everyone will find things to see as towny (correct or not).

cat wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 2:54 am Michelle posts actually seems more like baiting discussion than actually slipping something, she came back from work, started talking to people and trying to rile them up, unlike Guillotina who did nothing to start and start flailing when they get called out... I don't know the attentiveness of th people here but i'm pretty sure directly talking to people is more likely to create actual discussion then ignoring them. I won't give pointers since im a reactionary player myself but if you want to get people to talk about you it's much better to do something else than make the entire thread suspect you by saying something bland or generic

What is your take away from this Cat? This feels like there should be a conclusion following this but there isn't.

cat wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:01 am

cat wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 2:54 am I don't see what people see about SVS so i will stay off.

To reiterate SVS seems awkward and is fighting a pointless battle. Who cares if Michelle is agressive or not if you yourself think Michelle is null for it. Just drop the subject.
But it's also not necesarily damning.

is SVS awkward and fighting a pointless battle not alignment indicative? Would you not expect a different focus from T SvS assuming you think they are currently not?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:27 am Plus i know for a fact im not gonna be eliminated so, you may as well just vote your other scum read.

Cute

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:26 am If you think im bussing SvS then come and help me townside and then execute me next?

If the need arises, sure.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:25 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:23 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:19 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:11 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:03 am And just like that DrWilgy goes away from a real time convo with me.

Chicken lol

Some of us have better things to do than entertain you Guillo.

More than resolving your alleged pair of Guillo/SvS? Tsk tsk tsk

yeah, I'd say reading two pages of a 7 page game and actually parsing the data there is somewhat important. Then I get to go back to work.

If info within those pages changes the Guillo/SvS pairing fine, but otherwise we sleepy boi hours.

Ok, i think SvS is paired with you, you think SvS is paired with me, wouldnt make more sense to just kill the common factor here but instead you choose to counterwagon me?

Yeah probably, but the issue is that alot of the interaction that makes SvS paired with you comes from you and not SvS. You in isolation CAN be on a team with SvS and are wolfy. SvS in isolation doesn't draw any immediate teammate connotation and is wolfy. Makes me want to solve the source of the teammate pairings first, which I think is just kinda natural.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 1:28 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 1:22 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:05 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:02 pm This was the pocket attempt from Guillo

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:50 pm Now will you stop tunneling back and help catch wolves or what Michelle.

I still believe Wilgy is scum, he flip flops a lot on me.

And the reads list as well

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:54 pm Town

Michelle

Null

Seanzie
Cat

Scum

DrWilgy
SvS


Spicy read

LinearPoint could be whiteknighting me.

I said no

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 3:14 pm Guillo, I don't SR Wigly


And I don't trust your test, so my vote stays

He restarted the tunnel

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 3:32 pm What if Michelle is scum with SvS though.

Michelle, did you react to the bussing accusation from SvS?

There's no need to react at that, did you react at her suspecting you?


The above posts came pretty fast one after the other and how Guillo puts only me as TR and only for meta reasons shows agenda fmpov

What he said, that he misread me only in the hydra with Wisdom P#188 (i don't have a hydra with Wisdom, btw) is wrong. This year MU Anni is just a proof he lies.

.

Talking about post 188 don't call me sweety if you want to remain friends @Guillotine

Why cant i be town he does not remember anni?

You can be a townie forgetting a bad game, sure, I forget myself almost all games lately, but then you shouldn't be sure you never misread me.

Looking at this game, I think my 3 am brain explained well enough why I see you as mafia.

If I am wrong about you, we still have a lot of time to figure out things before Eod and I will be here because I will wake up earlier tomorrow morning.

So we have a double chance at interactions. Talk to me about everyone, I already did it, but I don't remember it from you

@Guillotine

In my opinion this is the PoE that wins the game

Wilgy
SvS
Seanzie (if he completely does not post today).

If Wilgy is town then my advice is to flip you, i e never seen you wall post as scum so im townreading that even though the content is uncharitable from you and completely wrong, but if Wilgy flips town you are scum and gteat try!

If you also flip town then this is where i'd have to reevaluate.

My top top town right now is Linear
Followed by Epignosis
Then you, but yours is conditional.

So I'm reading this like: (Seanzie, Wilgy, Michelle)/(SVS, Seanzie)

Do Michelle OR I echo teammate Seanzie at the opening of the gate?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 12:35 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 12:34 am What's my alignment, Guillotine?

Town

why tho

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:12 pm The solve here for scum is Wilgy/SVS

what wild world is this one actually real and not just wolfy bait? You even bother to see interactions between SvS and I before posting this?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:19 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:11 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:03 am And just like that DrWilgy goes away from a real time convo with me.

Chicken lol

Some of us have better things to do than entertain you Guillo.

More than resolving your alleged pair of Guillo/SvS? Tsk tsk tsk

yeah, I'd say reading two pages of a 7 page game and actually parsing the data there is somewhat important. Then I get to go back to work.

If info within those pages changes the Guillo/SvS pairing fine, but otherwise we sleepy boi hours.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:18 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:11 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:59 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:57 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:56 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:51 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:48 am

I never said im scum reading for being the 2nd or the 3rd.
This is why i think you are more likely to be scum than Michelle, because Michelle has read my content, she knows why she is being scum read. You on the other are still pretending not to know when ive been clear why i think you are scum if Michelle is not, you are still playing dumb and it infuriates to the point i wanna kill you with my own hands tonight, except i cant kill.

Maybe, JUST maybe, you aren't being clear? is that somehow within the realm of possibility to you?

No, i have been clear

clearly wolfy

Ok sure.

Say im mafia, who is my partner?

You and SVS have equity, I don't think I've seen anything immediate that excludes Seanzie, Cat, or MR.

Hmmm real weird when someone has half a cast they could be w/w with.

Who is MR?

rasdishman

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:54 pm I sense a moment of panic here.

The tactic is to try to clear a teammate on the back of someone else's lynch. If Guillotine (who has the most votes) is a civilian, then obviously Michelle couldn't be "bussing" him.

More importantly, I don't see S~V~S trying to understand DrWilgy's other colors. No questions about me (I certainly have done nothing to warrant being green) or anybody else. This means that S~V~S isn't trying to understand DrWilgy, which means S~V~S already knows DrWilgy is not mafia.

I don't think this perspective observation (correct or not) comes from W Epi.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 5:48 pm This is my current developed reads.

Michelle and Guillotine as Town. (I've already said my reasons for both. Despite their going hard on each other, I don't feel like there is a wolf in there)

Town lean on Seanzie and Falcon. (I do wish Seanzie and Falcon would post more so I could get a better idea, but their first impression on both are pretty town)

Wolf lean on Wilgy. (I have been kind of lightly town and wolf reading this all day. I know they are a strong wolf player so I'm hesitant to write off their activity as Townie. They haven't felt too gamesolvey so far though and mostly just seem to be existing and giving their opinions. A town thing to do for sure, but none of them have felt the same kind of energy or depth I am getting form Falcon, Guillotine, or Michelle)

Main wolf suspect S~V~S (though I'm mostly waiting on their response to my initial accusation)

Obviously MR and Epignosis would need to post more than an introduction to be read.

How do we have a tl on the not present Seanzie?

Is your read on me misinformed per the last post, fear (tin foil) or nota? what is the depth difference specifically between me and the three you've shared?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:03 am And just like that DrWilgy goes away from a real time convo with me.

Chicken lol

Some of us have better things to do than entertain you Guillo.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:59 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:57 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:56 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:51 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:48 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:41 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:37 am

Seanzie does this allthe time

Alright and so do I? Very much a time where I'd chain games putting a 3rd vote down just to see how'd people interact around it.

Further, if it's NAI why is he discounted in the read? Where has your read on where's it's specifically wolfy for either me or Michelle to have been the 2nd and 3rd vote?

I never said im scum reading for being the 2nd or the 3rd.
This is why i think you are more likely to be scum than Michelle, because Michelle has read my content, she knows why she is being scum read. You on the other are still pretending not to know when ive been clear why i think you are scum if Michelle is not, you are still playing dumb and it infuriates to the point i wanna kill you with my own hands tonight, except i cant kill.

Maybe, JUST maybe, you aren't being clear? is that somehow within the realm of possibility to you?

No, i have been clear

clearly wolfy

Ok sure.

Say im mafia, who is my partner?

You and SVS have equity, I don't think I've seen anything immediate that excludes Seanzie, Cat, or MR.

Hmmm real weird when someone has half a cast they could be w/w with.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 5:34 pm @Guillotine Are you currently scum reading Wilgy? I was mostly curious since Wilgy also had voted with Seanize at the same time Michelle was doing and I recall you mentioning that Wilgy was flip-floppy with their reading of you.

I'm thinking Wilgy looks a bit worse than Michelle in this situation. Mostly due to the fact Wilgy is more or less letting you just go at Michelle here when the same argument you are presenting also applies to Wilgy. There was also the point that Wilgy agreed with me on Town reading Michelle, whom I jotted down that Wilgy was scum reading early. And despite as of post #149 Wilgy moving over to Town reading Michelle, they have seemed content to allow you to just go after her freely, unquestioned.

What do you mean by this? Why would I interject for Michelle rather than try to solve between Guillo/Michelle as I observe their interactions. While I do think it's likely Michelle saw the same 'poopoo on the thread' that resulted in the vote that I did, I gave reasoning for it (at michelle's request) to which Michelle was in agreement with. I wouldn't be able to parse weather or not Michelle just took the reason I gave as their own in mimicry or not.

I feel as if you didn't read why I had Michelle in the read before posting this. I'd advise looking at that again. Michelle's equity, even early, was always in direct contrast to Guillo, the better I feel about Guillo the worse I feel about Michelle and the inverse. Both of them had reasons to be red in my first rainbow.

I asked Wilgy the question earlier about what they would read me and Falcon as if both SVS and you were Town. They were adamant that falcon would always be Town, even if it turns out they are currently leading a mischop, but were not willing to say I was Mafia or Town either way in that same scenario.


To me with what you were saying about Wilgy earlier and their answer to my question I think they might be scum hedging their bets a bit and trying not to get too in the way of anyone spearheading a vote.

Yes, because Falcon has extensive meta to reflect that their posting is town. It has nothing to do with any equity towards or against other players. I do not have that same read for you.

Outside of Michelle, do you have any other instances where I'm hedging as opposed to solving? I think 112 put it well in your recent game, 'is me hedging scum indicative? OR is it me parsing the data and moving reads around?'

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:56 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:51 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:48 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:41 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:37 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:31 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 1:19 am

Because my focus at the time was Michelle whom i believed was scum and that if she was not then it is wilgy, im treating those as a difference check and as the cred hog that i am, i prefer a flip of a wolf i pushed than a flip of a wolf i was not responsible for pushing.

This doesn't even make sense and if the argument is the "wagon of three early" you are discounting Seanzie entirely.

This feels like I said previously, a forced perspective.

Seanzie does this allthe time

Alright and so do I? Very much a time where I'd chain games putting a 3rd vote down just to see how'd people interact around it.

Further, if it's NAI why is he discounted in the read? Where has your read on where's it's specifically wolfy for either me or Michelle to have been the 2nd and 3rd vote?

I never said im scum reading for being the 2nd or the 3rd.
This is why i think you are more likely to be scum than Michelle, because Michelle has read my content, she knows why she is being scum read. You on the other are still pretending not to know when ive been clear why i think you are scum if Michelle is not, you are still playing dumb and it infuriates to the point i wanna kill you with my own hands tonight, except i cant kill.

Maybe, JUST maybe, you aren't being clear? is that somehow within the realm of possibility to you?

No, i have been clear

clearly wolfy

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:55 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:50 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:54 pm Town

Michelle

Null

Seanzie
Cat

Scum

DrWilgy
SvS


Spicy read

LinearPoint could be whiteknighting me.

I get that Epi already pointed out how weird it is to have SvS in scum reads on this per the interactions between you and SvS as W/W, but in isolation this is just weird.

Your ONLY reference to SVS prior to this was:

Spoiler: show

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:18 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:14 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:01 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:17 am I am not liking what I am reading from S~V~S so far.

This post is basically just meaningless fluff that doesn't even realistically contribute to anything.

Spoiler: show

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:18 am

Well a post up there ^^ mentions that the “team” can start BTSC, so more than 1. Prolly 2. More than that would be unbalanced and Jay is all about balance.

Pair that last post with this one and I think there is a solid argument that S~V~S is trying to comment on the setup while sidestepping other topics. This is doubly so since by the point of this second post the Guillotine and Michelle situation was starting to develop.

Spoiler: show

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:28 am

With only 10 players? That’s almost a third of the players list?

His Solar System game had 11 players, 2 mafia. With fewer players more wolves seems unlikely?

This is rather a debatable point to get aggro about?

Then I found this post to also ping me a bit. I find it weird they drop the Guillotine suspicious read in there, but were not one of the people voting on Guillotine. Then they also drop a good read on MIchelle while (in my opinion) also shading them as potentially bussing Guillotine. Which I do think it is also just odd to bring up bussing this early into the game.

Spoiler: show

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:24 am

I get why Guillo, but why Michelle? I don’t associate snap votes with bad Michelle, do you think she’s bussing him?

This last one is probably just me being paranoid, but these few posts are reading to me as a wolf who is trying to go with the nice guy approach and trying to talk people down by being overly non-agressive.

Spoiler: show

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:39 am

Did I put enough question marks in this ^^? Maybe I need a few more?

@DrWilgy mathematical balance is not my strong suit; I was working on the premise that he wouldn’t have more wolves than in a game with more players than this. Hopefully he chooses to tell us, but if not, not.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:54 am @falcon45ca nah

You’re reading too much into one word. I’ve noticed you tend to do this with me.

Do you think Michelle is town?

[VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine

@Michelle have you played with SVS before? If so, how many times approximately?

Yes, of course. Many times but I never counted.
Also I mix up in my head her meta with other sweet Syndicate voices so I have to read her from scratch each time.

Why?

Then SVS is scum because everyone that has played with you knows that you dont bus on day 1 ever, you are not a hellbusser. I would have understand the suspicion if they said i could be bussing you as i have a bussing meta, but not the other way around. You dont bus because you don't feel confident to survive as a wolf on your own, you rather be bussed.

So the read was strictly based on meta AND based on a direct dependency on Michelle from a singular interaction. This is not a good look. It feels like you felt the NEED to put SVS there rather than it being an actual read positioning.

SvS is scum if michelle is not, same as you.

Oh also you were saying why Seanzie and not you earlier?

I know when Seanzie towntells, im not worried about him, you on the other hand…

'I've lined up 3 chops with little argument for the 3rd'

'I have tmi on Seanzie's 5 posts that shows they are town and it'd be easier to push against a voter of mine'

Next?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 3:40 pm Guillo's prolly town, he's swinging at anything he finds sus

Are we playing different games? Guillo's openly advised they are tunneling and they've been hyper fixated upon me/michelle while at the same time svs is scum but didn't say anything about that one?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:48 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:41 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:37 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:31 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 1:19 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 12:45 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 12:40 am Somif your solve is SVS and me then easy, lynch SvS then me, except of course if there are two scum which i firmly believe, the game will not end and then you vote out Wilgy and the game will end.m

I am going to explain this to you.

Because you're so good at Mafia and all.

You said S~V~S was bad. That was this afternoon.

Later at this afternoon, you said you would vote S~V~S "if the wagons remain like this."

If you are a civilian, you vote S~V~S and go on about your business. You didn't do that.

You are teammates.

Explain to me why I am wrong.

Because my focus at the time was Michelle whom i believed was scum and that if she was not then it is wilgy, im treating those as a difference check and as the cred hog that i am, i prefer a flip of a wolf i pushed than a flip of a wolf i was not responsible for pushing.

This doesn't even make sense and if the argument is the "wagon of three early" you are discounting Seanzie entirely.

This feels like I said previously, a forced perspective.

Seanzie does this allthe time

Alright and so do I? Very much a time where I'd chain games putting a 3rd vote down just to see how'd people interact around it.

Further, if it's NAI why is he discounted in the read? Where has your read on where's it's specifically wolfy for either me or Michelle to have been the 2nd and 3rd vote?

I never said im scum reading for being the 2nd or the 3rd.
This is why i think you are more likely to be scum than Michelle, because Michelle has read my content, she knows why she is being scum read. You on the other are still pretending not to know when ive been clear why i think you are scum if Michelle is not, you are still playing dumb and it infuriates to the point i wanna kill you with my own hands tonight, except i cant kill.

Maybe, JUST maybe, you aren't being clear? is that somehow within the realm of possibility to you?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:54 pm Town

Michelle

Null

Seanzie
Cat

Scum

DrWilgy
SvS


Spicy read

LinearPoint could be whiteknighting me.

I get that Epi already pointed out how weird it is to have SvS in scum reads on this per the interactions between you and SvS as W/W, but in isolation this is just weird.

Your ONLY reference to SVS prior to this was: So the read was strictly based on meta AND based on a direct dependency on Michelle from a singular interaction. This is not a good look. It feels like you felt the NEED to put SVS there rather than it being an actual read positioning.

blah, time for full catchup but I'm sleepy.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:39 am Game ends in 14 hours, if in 4 hours momentum has not changed, i will have no choice but to claim.

me 2 fam

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:37 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:31 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 1:19 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 12:45 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 12:40 am Somif your solve is SVS and me then easy, lynch SvS then me, except of course if there are two scum which i firmly believe, the game will not end and then you vote out Wilgy and the game will end.m

I am going to explain this to you.

Because you're so good at Mafia and all.

You said S~V~S was bad. That was this afternoon.

Later at this afternoon, you said you would vote S~V~S "if the wagons remain like this."

If you are a civilian, you vote S~V~S and go on about your business. You didn't do that.

You are teammates.

Explain to me why I am wrong.

Because my focus at the time was Michelle whom i believed was scum and that if she was not then it is wilgy, im treating those as a difference check and as the cred hog that i am, i prefer a flip of a wolf i pushed than a flip of a wolf i was not responsible for pushing.

This doesn't even make sense and if the argument is the "wagon of three early" you are discounting Seanzie entirely.

This feels like I said previously, a forced perspective.

Seanzie does this allthe time

Alright and so do I? Very much a time where I'd chain games putting a 3rd vote down just to see how'd people interact around it.

Further, if it's NAI why is he discounted in the read? Where has your read on where's it's specifically wolfy for either me or Michelle to have been the 2nd and 3rd vote?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 1:19 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 12:45 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 12:40 am Somif your solve is SVS and me then easy, lynch SvS then me, except of course if there are two scum which i firmly believe, the game will not end and then you vote out Wilgy and the game will end.m

I am going to explain this to you.

Because you're so good at Mafia and all.

You said S~V~S was bad. That was this afternoon.

Later at this afternoon, you said you would vote S~V~S "if the wagons remain like this."

If you are a civilian, you vote S~V~S and go on about your business. You didn't do that.

You are teammates.

Explain to me why I am wrong.

Because my focus at the time was Michelle whom i believed was scum and that if she was not then it is wilgy, im treating those as a difference check and as the cred hog that i am, i prefer a flip of a wolf i pushed than a flip of a wolf i was not responsible for pushing.

This doesn't even make sense and if the argument is the "wagon of three early" you are discounting Seanzie entirely.

This feels like I said previously, a forced perspective.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:57 am OK, I did a quick skim of Guillos last dozen or so posts, and he doesn't seem particularly bad to me. I am not agreeing with what he's saying (obvs) but he's saying it in an open way.

I see Wilgy voted for him, and Wilgy has recent bad Guillo experience, so i want to see his opinion there, so I'll try to read back on them at work today. hasta la vista folks.

I mean the early Guillo vote was just that, an early Guillo vote. As it stands, they are in the realm of light sr to null. They continue to insist on silly worlds, I think I saw Wilgy/SVS as their proposed solve and they insist on "well there's one in Wilgy/Michelle and it's not Michelle" which feels like a forced perspective. I do think Epi's observations on how Guillo has postured you on fallback, scummy but always fallback, is Wolfy from Guillo and a good observation by Epi.

I've kinda touched on meta already,

Guillo is good at what I'd describe as "forced town perspective" and trying to be volume spewed. Their play this game feels very reminiscent of interactions I read between W Guillo and T Seanzie in the fame you referenced. While it's not something I'd say I'm confident of, it is something that scratches at my skull.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:08 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:26 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:16 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:59 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:52 am @DrWilgy or @falcon45ca Something I am curious about.

Falcon mentioned that they think SVS was muddying the waters by saying Michelle was being too aggro on Guillotine. Since WIlgy said they agreed with falcon and explained the reason for the sus better I figured I would ask you both.

If SVS is actually a wolf here, do either of you think that would imply Guillotine is wolf as well? Does it mean that you think Michelle is town for being shaded?

SVS/Guillo has nothing to dissuade from a W/W pairing.

Michelle town adds scum equity to both.

What I find most interesting about SVS/Guillo pairing is that in spite of Guillo's opposition to mechanical discourse, there's been no interaction with SVS who is partaking IN said mechanical discourse and has data/reads from that mechanical discourse.

When i said we should stop speculating about mechanical i meant it for everyone it applied to.

Ok, but the core of the argument is that you didn't interact with SVS specifically when the discussion warranted it and thus you are viable W/W. This doesn't change that.

You guys are talking like this is a done deal and I’ve flipped bad. It’s not, and I’m not.

I interacted with almost no one since I was barely in the thread and had only made a few posts when I started taking suspish and getting defensive. So if he is wolf, it’s with someone else, not me.

LP asked specifically regarding the equity between you and Guillo, probably because I think there's at least one between you Guillo and Michelle. Guillo argued against it with "vague blanket statements meant I was in fact interacting with SVS" which is gross and I called it out.

The statement wasn't you/Guillo are teammates, it was you two both have equity and Guillos argument against that was bad.

Good morning.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:42 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:38 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 1:59 pm I'm actually inclined to believe both Guillotine and Michelle are Town here.

Reading though their posts and the interactions Michelle has not really been giving off wolfy vibes at all. My only potential lead that points towards a Michelle wolf world is that initial vote on Guillotine that was not backed up for a bit though eventually was given more reason.

Guillotine has been sussed by Cat, myself, WIlgy, falcon (in so far as not willing to town read them), Michelle, SVS, and Seanize (RVS vote only).
It feels like Guillotine is getting too easy of heat at the moment I'm weary that over half the lobby has commented on Guillotine being a wolf candidate.
I can't quite tell right now if that is a wolf and their partner is either not here or if their partner panicked and shaded Guillotine slightly or if Guillotine is simply just town.
The fact that Guillotine seems to have the same approach to the game as I have right now makes me lean town.

I find myself in agreement with Michelle.

I think it is easy to sr Guillo regardless of their alignment, which makes spew reads difficult. The 'my way or nothing' that's been presented by their slot is very easy to disagree with as T and easy to push as W.

What do you mean by having the same approach?

I mean that I get the feeling they have the same sort of mindset of me when it comes to questioning others posts and reads harshly.
It's by no means conclusive, but they seem to be putting pretty close to the same effort of game solving that I am and it does not come across to me as fake scum hunting.

I see. I'll be mindful to this thank you.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:50 pm Now will you stop tunneling back and help catch wolves or what Michelle.

I still believe Wilgy is scum, he flip flops a lot on me.

Woah, it's almost as if I don't know your alignment

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 1:59 pm I'm actually inclined to believe both Guillotine and Michelle are Town here.

Reading though their posts and the interactions Michelle has not really been giving off wolfy vibes at all. My only potential lead that points towards a Michelle wolf world is that initial vote on Guillotine that was not backed up for a bit though eventually was given more reason.

Guillotine has been sussed by Cat, myself, WIlgy, falcon (in so far as not willing to town read them), Michelle, SVS, and Seanize (RVS vote only).
It feels like Guillotine is getting too easy of heat at the moment I'm weary that over half the lobby has commented on Guillotine being a wolf candidate.
I can't quite tell right now if that is a wolf and their partner is either not here or if their partner panicked and shaded Guillotine slightly or if Guillotine is simply just town.
The fact that Guillotine seems to have the same approach to the game as I have right now makes me lean town.

I find myself in agreement with Michelle.

I think it is easy to sr Guillo regardless of their alignment, which makes spew reads difficult. The 'my way or nothing' that's been presented by their slot is very easy to disagree with as T and easy to push as W.

What do you mean by having the same approach?

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 1:39 pm Yes, I do have.
I posted a reads list.
Wilgy has a good tone when talking to Falcon and Guillo, and also shared a good amount of content, Falcon is focused on solving which is a villagery point. I don't know you but the way you're nitpicking the things seems like you search for the truth not for agenda.

Cat was funny, Sean voted first, Epi was cool, I would like to give them a town lean for each

SVS, I am waiting for her answer.

+1 for Michelle for meta reasons.

cat wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 1:05 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:51 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:46 am How about we stop speculating about mafia:town ratios?

It gives scum the opportunity to hide under the guise of creating content by talking about it.

I for one think it's productive as it's likely to draw in wolves to the discussion and open them up for slipping.

Plus it's not like there is anything else we can realistically do at the very start of day 1. There's no mechanical info to go off of so we need people to talk, associate, and take positions.

No slips will happen, but i think it's more likely wolves will feel awkward discussing it since it is really not much value, triggering their self-awareness. It's an easy stance to take and it looks good on face value. Once again Guillotine looks bad here

If you're really worried about wolves hiding inbetween the cracks then look for them instead of trying to prevent discussion

cat wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 12:56 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:27 am Actually Michelle is wolfing

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

I dont believe you question how 3 wolves would be unbalanced in a game with 10 players

This does not sit well with me. The moment this guy is called out for passivity he amps up the agression and votes the person pushing him? Plus the logic doesn't make sense to me, but that part is just personal preference.

Sus on Guillotine

Cat I think has a similar mindset to my own regarding the discussion of stiffling discussion and Guillo's stances. This doesn't immediately look to be wolfy mimicry.

Lightly villigery.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:16 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:59 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:52 am @DrWilgy or @falcon45ca Something I am curious about.

Falcon mentioned that they think SVS was muddying the waters by saying Michelle was being too aggro on Guillotine. Since WIlgy said they agreed with falcon and explained the reason for the sus better I figured I would ask you both.

If SVS is actually a wolf here, do either of you think that would imply Guillotine is wolf as well? Does it mean that you think Michelle is town for being shaded?

SVS/Guillo has nothing to dissuade from a W/W pairing.

Michelle town adds scum equity to both.

What I find most interesting about SVS/Guillo pairing is that in spite of Guillo's opposition to mechanical discourse, there's been no interaction with SVS who is partaking IN said mechanical discourse and has data/reads from that mechanical discourse.

When i said we should stop speculating about mechanical i meant it for everyone it applied to.

Ok, but the core of the argument is that you didn't interact with SVS specifically when the discussion warranted it and thus you are viable W/W. This doesn't change that.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 1:57 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:15 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:11 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:08 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:03 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:01 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:55 am

But there is a far better subject than mechanical talk now.

Me

Why would discussion strictly on you be more beneficial than discussions on set up?

Assuming you are T, it can escalate you into the game yes, but does this escalate the entire thread into the game like a mechanical discourse would?

Pushes on people generate associative and disassociatives and then they can branch out to geberate content about other players, mechanical does not.

Mechanical can lead to interaction, interaction in general can be observed and processed and disagreements/agreements about mechs can lead to pushes and pockets that are observable as well.

To define a momentum as being more beneficial than another is inherently flawed. You may, in isolation, think one benefits you more than the other, but to dissuade the entire thread from it, while others can benefit from it, is again, negative value to town.

I wholeheartedly disagree. I dont see the benefit of talking about me h on day 1 other than allowing wolves try to blend in with it, i wanna catch them slipping, i want to take their hopes of winning early, i want to crash their chances, i want them to feel suffocated by having to make reads on people, i want them to associate with people.

What prevents you from catching them slipping, taking their hopes, and crashing their chances within mechanical discussion. Since when does mechanical discussion not have players interacting and associating?

I believe several perspectives on SVS and Michelle have come out of this mechanical discussion and their interactions with each other there.

We are associating and interacting now on the basis of mechanical vs read discussion now are we not?

I dint know about you but im not discussing mechanics with you now, am i?

I think we are going in circles and i expected you to get the point by now and you aren't which strengthens my dcum read on you.

Aye, I've given you every opportunity to attempt to pull information from the mech discussion, encouraging what I think to be pro T behavior, but you disagree we can move on.

I do think you have utilized it to move into read based arguments for Michelle and I.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 1:51 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:12 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:08 am I like direct and bold, people with guts who mean what they say.

If you see im trying to take us out of rvs and begin playing seriously and you get in my way of that, you got yourself a tunnel! Congratulations! You are the lucky winnet!

I like bold and aromatic coffees, something with depth that wakes me up in the morning.

How did your bored posting take us out of rvs? As I recall it took, Seanzie, Michelle and I to do that. Why is it pro T to tunnel me? Where is the actual review and analysis of my thoughts... Outside of meta, you won't catch me on meta.

By making you react to me.

Specifically Michelle and you because Seanzie drops a vote like that and says see you tomorrow in every fucking game ive seen him and it is completely NAI for him, but one of you two got baited and im leaning on that being you actually.

I believe Michelle combativeness towards me is town indicative of her because when she wolfs, she is this timid and scary little cat that bails out and waits for the thread to die to post something.

Your thoughts that you can force others to play in a way that is beneficial to you is fascinating. When you were wolf you had argued this as well, specifically with Seanzie. If I recall correctly you advised that you'd not think Seanzie to react in a way that you predicted giving you an argument to pocket them.

Makes me wonder if you are genuine, as to what occurs when a town doesn't react in accordance to your expectation. Do you misyeet alot Guillo?

If you are W, this is akin to your play in JJJ's dates, but instead of utilizing an expectation to pocket, you are utilizing it to push.

I'm not aware of Michelle's W meta.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 12:23 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:20 am LP
Seanzie
Cat
Epi
SVS
MR
Michelle
Guillo

Are these serious reads?

Depends on your definition of serious?

Based on observation with reason behind them? Yes

Firm reads that really mean something now that the gamestate has evolved? No

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 12:15 pm @DrWilgy similar but different question. Since Falcon and I have different reasons for susing SVS what do you think about each of our arguments in the event SVS is Town?
Obviously I know you are agreeing with falcon's take, but if the world it is revealed they were wrong I want to know what you think. Same for if you think I am potentially just bandwagoning.

Your arguments are sound and in isolation. If T SVS I can see them coming from both incorrect T and opportunist W.

While Falcon would remain a firm TR for Falcon reasons, I do not think I can place an alignment on you in the event SVS flips town, at least not in this current threadstate.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:52 am @DrWilgy or @falcon45ca Something I am curious about.

Falcon mentioned that they think SVS was muddying the waters by saying Michelle was being too aggro on Guillotine. Since WIlgy said they agreed with falcon and explained the reason for the sus better I figured I would ask you both.

If SVS is actually a wolf here, do either of you think that would imply Guillotine is wolf as well? Does it mean that you think Michelle is town for being shaded?

SVS/Guillo has nothing to dissuade from a W/W pairing.

Michelle town adds scum equity to both.

What I find most interesting about SVS/Guillo pairing is that in spite of Guillo's opposition to mechanical discourse, there's been no interaction with SVS who is partaking IN said mechanical discourse and has data/reads from that mechanical discourse.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:26 am I like the content from LinearPoint he can be a town read now

Wilgy
Falcon
Linear

Sean

Cat
Epi
.....................
MrRadishes

SvS

Guillo

What puts Cat > Epi

The rest of this appears to be consistent with what you've put in the thread I think.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:23 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:22 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:19 am A side note, I do not think falcon and Wilgy could ever both be scum.
This is mostly since Wilgy did not put falcon into their reads list at all and comes across as a genuine accident that they forgot than intentionally leaving a wolf partner out. If anything I expect them to defiantly have at least a read on a partner.

Had falcon entered thread by then? I didn't think so.

Did everyone else actually post except for falcon?

I thought you were just giving first impressions and just forgot they even existed.
Never mind them.

Yeah, Falc just joined following that early brainbow.