The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote:What happened tree mafia you changed, you used to be active.

a2thezebra wrote:Wilgy, I suppose this makes us even from Pet Sounds.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:For anyone who cares, sig was originally going to sub in for DFaraday, but DFarday was nightkilled. So I used my magical hosting powers to assign sig to FZ.'s role because she asked to be replaced last night.

This change is not indicative of alignment, only of my own convenience.

a2thezebra wrote:ugh DrWilgy

MacDougall wrote:

DFaraday wrote:Alright, I've more or less caught up. Wilgy is looking pretty bad to me, as I can't see a good civ reason for his behavior. Epi is coming across as civ, and I think his JJJ case is sounding plausible, but tomorrow I'll read over JJJ to get a better handle on it.

"more or less caught up"

Are you caught up? How can you be more or less? Did you start on page 3 instead of page 1? You've made three posts in a game where everyone else has made a ton. You need to post more or you're going to get lynched for lurking dude. If you're a bad guy that's going to suck for your teammates. If you're a bad guy, please reply to this with a promise of producing more content and then go back to lurking so we can lynch you tomorrow. If you're a civ, what do you think of motel room voting you? Pretty neat huh.

FZ. wrote:Sorry for the lack of contribution this day. I have a sick child at home with a very high temperature.

I read back and will try to say something at least.

I still don't think Diiny is bad.

I think I'm starting to agree with Epi on many things. FIrst, Floyd, why is he voting so early every day? This is something I think baddies, especially new players tend to do more often to not have to deal with consequences later. Second, though I said the game was getting worse, it didn't feel real to me coming from Floyd.

Then there's Epi's case on JJJ. It looks quite compelling. Not to mention jjj seemed to misunderstand me a lot yesterday, which I thought was weird, but let it go (mostly because I thought it was me not being clear enough).


Finally, while I'm not sold on this, I think it needs to be brought up:
I think Wilgy can easily be scum. Who had the most to gain from his stunt? He did.
It makes him look like the civviest of civs. First, he's "baiting" others with his gambit. Then he did the analysis of who said what. That is priceless if you're a baddie. You get the credit for doing such a thorough job trying to find baddies. Everyone replied in some way, didn't they? Now, all he had to do was find things he could use.
Not to mention, this was a great way to draw out the real cop, like someone else mentioned.
Notice, he moved his vote from Diiny to Enrique even though he said he prefers to vote for Diiny. Enrique was the one who was the most suspicious of him.

motel room wrote:in the second 24 hours of today we'll surely get a sober Wilgy and I think that'll be more enlightening than the current drunk, "depressing", self-vote Dr. I still think that cop gambit was towny.

Back in RYM land on pretty sure his first game with infodumping, MP tried a cop gambit which backfired on him but he made the move as town. A new game mechanic, town tries the tricks, imo.

so here, MP, while I think I agree with you, whats different about your gambit and his, because you were part of the reason I feel Wilgy was town but you are distancing from what he's done:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Enrique wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Enrique wrote:I thought he was hinting at actually being the doctor, which he pretty much just straight up denied ("nonsense lyrics") and leaves me exactly where I was before. DrWilgy is a liar and he's bad.

DrWilgy seems to always say "I am most certainly (not) a doctor!" every game; is that what you're referring to?

I've never heard of a n0 peek being red, so I don't know why anyone would entertain Wilgy to be telling the truth.

I'm confused as to why FZ. followed it. I'm also confused as to why FZ. thinks I would put in more effort so far as mafia, despite her second post saying I've been "caught" posting too much as mafia before. My posting frequency is not indicative of my alignment.

No. Basically, I realized that DrWilgy being the Doctor was the only way his actions could make any sense while being a civvie. False claiming draws out the cop AND allows him to protect him, right? It's not a great plan but I literally can't think of any other reason a civ would lie so blatantly. He made some cryptic post about watching people in the night and I was like "huh, I get it." Turns out there was nothing to get.

Diiny wrote:Enrique

Diiny wrote:I want to understand what you think wilgy's plan/particular brand of scumminess is, help me out. Because his plan seems bizarre from any angle, scum or town.

The "crazy bastard" brand. Diiny, gonna be honest here, your reactions to Zebra on the first day looked bad as fuck to me. You took every single piece of bait anyone left, you had a pretty unsatisfying reaction to Wilgy's "outing" of you, and overall looked like a baddie that got got. You could be Wilgy's teammate and this could be some crazy tactic to get himself certified civ credit for the rest of the game, I don't know, but the only thing I'm sure about right now is that he's bad. I'm being very serious, and this goes out to you as well as MP, Sorsha and whoever else... if we can get enough votes on Wilgy, I guarantee you we will get a baddie.

linki- how?? How do Wilgy's actions make sense from a civvie perspective at all?

They don't make much sense to me personally; I would never pull such an obviously fake gambit, but that's just me. From what I've seen from hosting and playing with him, Wilgy likes to try new things, both as civilian and mafia.

So the gambit itself doesn't make me put him in one category or the other. Knowing that he purposefully has made such a gambit, GTH I see a genuine interest in Wilgy trying to solve the game, particularly when he was interacting with FZ. regarding his Diiny read.

I don't feel strongly about it, but I'm not rushing to condemn his actions as mafia. Old MP might have done that, but old MP learned a lesson the hard way earlier this year in Economics, where G-Man's behavior was so illogical (he posted only in pictures nearly the whole game, lied about being cursed to do so, finally stopped doing it and admitted he lied when I put enough pressure on him, but then continued to do it anyway, among other things). I branded him as 100% mafia and pursued him with the utmost confidence, only to find out he was civilian. My mind is still recovering from that crazy flip, and ever since it's made me hesitate to regard any crazy, illogical behavior as automatically mafia.

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Diiny wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Because i thought it was a thing lol. Diiny how troublin is it knowing you wont lynch me?

How does a man with a vote on himself saying this; how is this level of wifom being tolerated

You're not helping yourself out.

If you're genuinely feeling sad a mafia game full of scrutiny and stress ain't the place. Feel free to PM me though

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Diiny wrote:lmao is it confirmed that wilgy's bullshitting now? talking about a thought process that mechanically couldn't have happened?

No fuckin shit.

So, concession?

Diiny wrote:lmao is it confirmed that wilgy's bullshitting now? talking about a thought process that mechanically couldn't have happened?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:While I wasn't around at EOD, I'm not sure I would have changed my vote if I had been. I can understand Enrique's late phase behavior making him look worse to the people who were present, but I do think it's important that he claimed cop two minutes prior to his death (with a two vote lead over Diiny) and there didn't seem to be much budging in response. One switch from him back to Diiny would have forced a tie and possibly rescued him.

DrWilgy wrote:I swear if you didn't counter claim earlier...

Doc, you seemed to be conscious of the possibility that he was being truthful. Please try to describe your mindset in those final moments and what prevented you from moving your vote.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:One reaction post only folks.

Diiny wrote:11 mins, wilgy, and you have the power to secure a lynch here. You've admitted you were lying about the peek, right? Otherwise your vote has NO buisness being where it is.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:How much time till EoD?

11 minutes.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Also, you non-cops, shouldn't listen to MP. I'm assuming he's scum along with Diiny, so anyone who accidentally gives a "fake" green check on a mafia member gets cleared as not a cop, or someone they won't kill. Cop hunting 101. Regardless, I'm right here and I wonder if they will kill me N1.

Shouldn't listen to me?

I said this:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Yay game!

Who wants to throw out peeks?

Intended to discuss whether we should throw out peeks.

So... what do you mean?

Enrique wrote:this is me rn



Wilgy you're full of shit and I look forward to lynching you tomorrow. I'm out rn but I'll be back in like an hour prob.

Anyway, you're full of shit.

motel room wrote:

Enrique wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:And the answer is...

BECAUSE HE'S SCUM!

woo!!

If you say so.

DrWilgy

what does he stand to gain by lying right here on Day 1? Or do you think he's bussing?

motel room wrote:We're not even 24 hours into Day 1. I don;t think a Diiny lynch was a "given" at a few hours into the game (before Wilgy's claim).

Wilgy, have you played an infodumping-allowed game before?

motel room wrote:

Enrique wrote:Any other thoughts, motel room?

I will say that I agree with you that I think it's unlikely that there was a successful scum peek. I will also say that I'm considering voting for you today.

motel room wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

motel room wrote:

Diiny wrote:Essay over, feeling GOOD. NO STRESS. let's GO, boys. I haven't read the thread. Ask me questions. throw your shit. Because you're not lynching me and wilgy's lying

Why would he be lying?

Does this revelation about peek mechanics mean anything to you:

Spoiler: show

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Look at me, I'm a lurker! What a wild new world!

Anyway, pre-game peeks are randomized and always on townies. Unless MM adapted some new variety of peek which can be chosen for this game, Wilgy is lying about his red peek. I am reading the thread to indicate however that his false red might have been correctly placed, because I have been pretty underwhelmed with the way Diiny has handled it. He's been tame -- patience isn't necessarily a problem, but there's been no bite in his fight. No exasperation, no frustration, no emotion -- not what I would expect from any townie being called a red peek before it's even possible to be a red peek.

The fun thing is: DrWilgy's lie doesn't preclude him from being the cop. Or from being vanilla town. This is a setup that promotes controlled lying from townies and I am struggling to find a realistic mafia angle to explain what he's done. Well that's why he's doing it, JJJ!. Could be, but I don't take that first step of WIFOM without inspiration.

I think Wilgy seems town - cop claim legit regardless atm. If he's town and taking a stab in the dark, well then.

I want to know what Diiny does.

a2thezebra wrote:DrWilgy, stop trying to intoxicate us with the wine por favor

@Diiny While I appreciate that you elaborated on your (supposed) thought processes with those posts I mentioned, I still don't buy it. Sorry. Bedtime for me too.

Sorsha wrote:Ok.. I think I'm caught up.

I thought "peeks" for the cop were of another civ player or does it depend on the host? The rules of this game don't specify.

Sorsha wrote:

FZ. wrote:Out of all the votes on me, Sorsha's seems the most opportunistic. I said that the exact reason I'm choosing to trust Wilgy's information is the fact that in the game she's talking about, I almost saved the baddie because I was looking anywhere but the obvious information. It was a bad game on my part, but in my defence, the roles weren't as simple as this game. The fact that Sorsha chose to ignore my post and just latch on my other posts, makes me her big time.

I suppose I should give you credit for not playing like you did in that game.

I don't believe that wilgy got a peek at a baddie though.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:JJJ, and FZ, if you feel that we should Lynch Enrique, I'd join you.

How do you feel his behavior in this game compares with what he did in Pet Sounds? I ask because I didn't pay enough attention to that game to have my own opinion.