The Syndicate

Good game all.

Hmm... The entire fane I had thought "Sawyer is too bad to be bad"

Oh well.

I'm just glad I experienced my validation before the game ended.

If you are civ sawyer, there's no way you lost the game on your own.

The living minority need the points.

I call for some affirmative action!!

I regret nothing.

thellama73 wrote:You have chosen wisely, Sawyer. Well done.

Why is this post ominous?

Woo!! Finally.

I have no regrets.

I sure do hope Sawyer isn't bad

We really doing this again?

DFaraday wrote:Llama confusing players isn't weird to me. I've done that lots of times with players I'm unfamiliar with.

Clearly this is some buddying.

Llama, vote DF. Cull the oppression.

Long Con wrote:Are you actually criticizing me for that when you did the exact same thing at the exact same time???

Yes.

Can I have my lynch plz? I've wanted one peraon lynched since SVS and I haven't had my turn. C'moooooon.

Long Con wrote:

notsawyer540 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

notsawyer540 wrote:You took that last bit as an accusation and you're getting a little too close to defensiveness for comfort, but I'll grant you a pass because I think it's a simple misunderstanding.

How is this not an accusation? How is this not worthy of a response from me??

notsawyer540 wrote:What discomforts me is not that part, but the part the next day where he evened up the votes between four people and said he was waiting to see who would flinch. Seems to me DF may be guilty because he was the first to flinch, LC may be guilty because he was trying to gain civ points by seeing who would or otherwise mislead us...

The suspicious part here is where I evened up the votes because I evened up the votes. Or I was trying to gain Civ ppints by doing the thing that makes me suspicious. Or a) tie up vote b) ??? c) mislead d) ???

Cool.

You changed your vote at the last moment. Along with Wilgy iirc. Whille I do appreciate not being lynched and not having a tie, don't tell me that doesn't seem odd.

A tie is good for the baddies. Breaking the tie isn't odd, and doesn't "seem" odd. It's what had to be done.

Unless Marmot couldn't move his vote there was no reason for you to nreal the tie. He hadn't thrown a defensive vote yet.

It would've been a tie had I not moved.

DFaraday wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Neat, 2v4. LC and DF are the remaining baddoes and votes are final.

Mislynch causes a 2v2... Is that game over or a 50/50?

You've been saying I'm baddie all game. Why?

Kay, day 1 we have a light dissuasion for Scotty calling out JoH.

DFaraday wrote:

Scotty wrote:Everyone's checked in, so...ima thinking one of the low posters is definitely bad.

Jackofhearts, I see you.

Wouldn't almost everyone qualify as low posters at this point?

Day 2 he enters the thread after catching up woth no thoughts other than flimsy-waver commentary.

DFaraday wrote:Finally caught up. Good result, all! RIP Elo.

I agree that there's no rush to lynch Jack, we just need to be careful about how close lynches are or he could tip the scales. Then again, I doubt he'd use that to save a teammate, but rather frame a civ.

To Sawyer: I have no suspicion of you. I randomized from everybody besides myself and it was you. That's all.

Votes Jack out of self defence and not the fact that he's an outed baddie. Interesting that he would choose to vote for Jack on self defence in spite of his comment regarding keeping him alive. I'd think that "I'm vpting for jack because he's bad" or "I'm voting for jack to get rid of his manipulation" would've been what a civ would say, but he doesn't say either of these.

DFaraday wrote:Anyway, I'm voting Jack right now for self-preservation.

Day 3, this one is a personal qualm but how does df know I'm civ when he was wrong about Mac, Fz, SVS?

DFaraday wrote:I'm putting a vote on Jack for now. I'm not liking how Wilgy has three votes right now, for what seem to be three different reasons. Llama for the visual, but also a little because he didn't like Wilgy's SVS vote. Epi because he finds Wilgy's case against him forced and fabricated. LC because he doesn't like how jokey Wilgy is playing?

For the record, I don't agree with Wilgy's assessment of Epi, but I can see how a civ could come to that conclusion.

Day 5, DF literally feels bad on everyone he comments on except Llama IF his bad feeling of Sawyer is correct. Also note that he specifically went out of the way to call himself vanilla. A vanilla doesn't do that, he's either a power role or mafia but w/e not going into role outing.

DFaraday wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I want to know the following from everybody:

1. Where you stand on notsawyer and why.
I'm leaning bad on Notsawyer because he is tunneling Epi, forcing the facts to fit his suspicion (ie., blaming Epi alone for SVS's lynch), and cites Epi's lack of caught baddies despite the fact that Notsawyer is hardly looking at anyone but Epi, and so has also caught no baddies.

2. Where you stand on Marmot and why.
Rereading his posts, I'm finding him to be pretty inconsistent. First he cites some mild suspicion, decides to vote her over Jack, then the next day says that he's glad everyone is "seeing sense" and voting Jack, despite making a case on Epi and continually pushing it throughout that phase. I'm leaning bad towards MM, but not as much as I am Notsawyer.

3. Where you stand on Floyd and why.
The lack of a kill could indicate that the remaining baddies are uninvolved, which would implicate Floyd more than anyone (and me next, I'm aware). I'm slightly leaning bad on Floyd.

4. Where you stand on DFaraday and why.
Vanilla Civvie all the way.

5. Where you stand on Quin and why.
I don't really recall Quin's activity this game. I'll need to look into him.

6. Where you stand on thellama73 and why.
If I'm right about Notsawyer being bad, it's unlikely Llama also is given the timing of his vote for Notsawyer on Day 1, when the lynch could still have gone that way. His Jack suspicion was also consistent and felt genuine. Leaning civ.

7. Where you stand on Long Con and why.
LC hasn't felt entirely involved in this game, like he's trying to keep out of the limelight. I don't have suspicions of him per se, but I don't really feel civ about him.

You get the idea. If I left you out, it wasn't personal.

Start talking. Tell me why you're good. Tell me why others are bad. Go.

Nvm, Epi is also civ, but this is at the time when several other suspect him so cred hunting?

DFaraday wrote:I would be fine with either Notsawyer or MM, but it seems like it's going to be between Epi and MM, and I see the case on MM, whereas I'm reading Epi as civ.

And this is why we should vote DF, according to him everyone is bad except the people that shouldn't be able to be read (i.e. me because I'm dicking around almost 80% of this game). He's buddies with JoH. Also note that LC saved DF yestersay sooo...

DFaraday wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I'd like to discuss Wilgy as an option for today. He's been quietly smug the last few rounds, with his comments like "oh a tie, neat." and so forth. No one has really been looking at him, and I wonder if he hasn't started to get quite confident in his chances. I'll be doing a thorough reread of him before voting.

A quick glance over his voting records shows that he didn't vote for Jack at any point. But what I thought was interesting was that on Day 3 he didn't vote for me even though Wilgy voted at a time when another vote on me and a little more pressure could have swung the lynch away from Jack once again. Maybe he didn't want to look like he was saving a teammate.

Lol, didn't want to look like I was saving an outed teammate?

Hey LC, why did you kill Marmot instead of DF?

Neat, 2v4. LC and DF are the remaining baddoes and votes are final.

Mislynch causes a 2v2... Is that game over or a 50/50?

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:What's your ideal endgame scenario?

I don't know. All I'm saying is that if I lose because Wilgy or MM honestly think I killed Eloh Night 1, that will be a new level of boneheadedness on their part.

You're pushing that point so hard, it's starting to have the opposite effect on me. I'm going to place a vote on you for now.

Vote Epignosis

This post came at 4:01 PM EST.

The lynch ended at 4:32pm EST...the next day.

I think Long Con believed the lynch was ending in half an hour and he sailed in with a third vote on me. When he realized his error, he made up some convoluted nonsense about fishing for reactions.

Damn. I can't believe I didn't realize that until now.

This reflects the swap he just did. Neat.

Marmot wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:What's your ideal endgame scenario?

I don't know. All I'm saying is that if I lose because Wilgy or MM honestly think I killed Eloh Night 1, that will be a new level of boneheadedness on their part.

You're pushing that point so hard, it's starting to have the opposite effect on me. I'm going to place a vote on you for now.

Vote Epignosis

This post came at 4:01 PM EST.

The lynch ended at 4:32pm EST...the next day.

I think Long Con believed the lynch was ending in half an hour and he sailed in with a third vote on me. When he realized his error, he made up some convoluted nonsense about fishing for reactions.

Damn. I can't believe I didn't realize that until now.

I'd be happy to lynch him too!

Oh wait...

Why haven't we lynched DF? I don't think we've lynched anyone I wanted dead all game. SVS over DF, Quin over DF, Marmot over DF? Why aren't we answering the important questions?

Marmot wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Marmot wrote:Well, you have looked elsewhere, but you've maintained since I started suspecting you that I'm bad because of it.

I've seen civilian Epignosis be more fair and less condescending about such things, something you have not done here.

What things have I been condescending or unfair about?

You've called me a foolish and boneheaded (Wilgy too).

One of your reasons for voting for me is so you're not "stuck" in an endgame scenario with me.



Yes I'm a little irked by those things. I don't think they're necessary or accurate. You're asking me to understand a mindset that I just can't empathize with. I'm telling you I can't, so I've ignored that in my read of you.

^ This

Epignosis wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Hmmm... Let's lynch LC tomorrow.

I agree, and I think I've worked out why.

I think LC made a goofy mistake, and I'm ashamed I didn't realize it at the time.

Is it related to his vote just a moment ago?

Hmmm... Let's lynch LC tomorrow.

I just don't get why he didn't vote DF.

I wouldn't have swapped if he did. Oh well.

Long Con wrote:Wilgy did the same thing I did.

High five

2 min until tie.

Neat.

Epignosis wrote:Would a tie please you, Wilgy?

Not at all, just an interesting gamestate that has to change.

DFaraday wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Long Con wrote:Marmot cannot vote DFaraday, because that would force DFaraday to switch to Marmot, resulting in Marmot's lynch. Marmot is forced to vote notsawyer.

True, but if Metalmarsh votes DFaraday and DFaraday votes Metalmarsh, that still leaves me with a spare vote. Oh the power.

What would you do with your power?

That all depends, but I certainly don't want a tie. No lynch only benefits the mafia at this point.

I agree. Switching back to MM.

Neat, we are still at a tie as long as Marmot shows up!

Long Con wrote:Ok there, now we see who flinches.

LIT

Anyone wanna move their votes around?

DFaraday wrote:

notsawyer540 wrote:So I name Dfaraday as my 3rd top suspect and he immediately votes for me--still without any sort of explanation other than saying that it's out of self-preservation despite the fact that he's not really on the chopping block in the same respect as I was yesterday.

I really don't want to vote out of self-preservation a second day in a row, but DF just put me ahead in votes and his "reasoning" seems scummy, so it may happen again. I KNOW I'm civ, but I don't know the same about any of you, so I'm gonna put myself first every time.

Are you kidding me right now? I was tied for the lead when I voted you yesterday, and I'm still tied for the lead.

And now you are in the lead. Isn't that neat?

notsawyer540 wrote:So I name Dfaraday as my 3rd top suspect and he immediately votes for me--still without any sort of explanation other than saying that it's out of self-preservation despite the fact that he's not really on the chopping block in the same respect as I was yesterday.

I really don't want to vote out of self-preservation a second day in a row, but DF just put me ahead in votes and his "reasoning" seems scummy, so it may happen again. I KNOW I'm civ, but I don't know the same about any of you, so I'm gonna put myself first every time.

U do u m8.

Anyone still wanna lynch Sawyer?

Epignosis wrote:

DFaraday wrote:I would be fine with either Notsawyer or MM, but it seems like it's going to be between Epi and MM, and I see the case on MM, whereas I'm reading Epi as civ.

It's far too early to say who it's going to be between.

I hope I am not stuck in an endgame scenario with MM and Wilgy. Civilians will lose.

Hmm... we also can't have this scenario if you are dead before endgame.

Long Con wrote:What's your ideal endgame scenario?

One without Sawyer as I'm having trouble determining if he's just wrong and without Epi as I'm having trouble determining if his play is civvy or not. Ideally we lynch both and they flip bad, then game over and I will be satisfied. I do not think that this is a realistic case however.

Epignosis wrote:

DFaraday wrote:I would be fine with either Notsawyer or MM, but it seems like it's going to be between Epi and MM, and I see the case on MM, whereas I'm reading Epi as civ.

It's far too early to say who it's going to be between.

I hope I am not stuck in an endgame scenario with MM and Wilgy. Civilians will lose.

Same tbh.

Long Con wrote:Floyd is officially dead in a ditch now.

That's a shame. I wonder why Floyd?

Quin wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Ho boi. I'm dead in the GoC again. What did I miss?

i got rezzed

I'd be down for that.

Ho boi. I'm dead in the GoC again. What did I miss?

Neat

Was Sawyer actually saved here?

Neat.

Epignosis wrote:Less than an hour to go. I am disappointed that people chose to drop weighty votes on someone without coming back and discussing / reconsidering those votes.

thellama73 wrote:Now I have to think about the fact tha the two people I trust least are voting for Quin, and what thta means, if anything. Oh, sweet WIFOM.

Why are you still suspicious of me Llama?

Have I not voiced enough for you to analyze and discuss my recent events?

Also, Is this WIFOM if I'm civ or only if I'm bad? It's definitely not self induced WIFOM like Epi's "I'd not kill Eloh n1."

If Quin flips civ am I definitely bad? If Quin flips bad am I definitely civ? Is this a distancing power play that I'm making due to my vote having little power? Is my vote warranted based on my past interactions with Quin?

#endlazyplay

notsawyer540 wrote: Marmot and Wilgy, why should people vote for LC?

Idk, I recall him being Lazy in his suspicion of me, but it turns out I'm being lazy in my suspicion of him since I have yet to to review his posts.

I can support a Quin lynch. I recall him being JoH plausible and had a bad ping from him earlier.

This is... unfortunate. I wished to provode an opportunity for vote movement but I don't think that will be the case anymore.

A shame.

Marmot wrote:It's March 7, and Epignosis is the only player on this site to win a game as mafia this year.

Let's keep it that way!!! Go team!

Didn't Zebra win Vocaroo as well?

Epignosis wrote:DrWilgy has been following people's votes like a lost puppy.

Least I'm cute.

Epignosis wrote:

Marmot wrote:

Epignosis wrote:He wants me dead, that's why. Does he want anybody else dead?

What do you think about the second part of this question?

He isn't going for anybody else.

He konda went in on me abit.

Actually I'm not even sure if it was a prevention of backtracking, but more so a bad argument that pinged me...

Linki - Idk I need to review him

Epignosis wrote:I'm about to pull my hair out.

Stop lynching people for doing things that are weird, inconsistent, unhelpful, or that you just don't like.

Tell me what they have to gain by doing what they do IF THEY ARE MAFIA.

If you are voting notsawyer, explain to me why he did what he did as mafia.

I saw his ruling of "my logic is the right logic because it's logical" as a means to not backtrack and that's what makes him bad in my head.

It is silly that he has 5 votes already however. So let's toss some votes elsewhere and see what happens.

I'm not sold on you being civ. This also applies to DF.

Let's lynch LC.

Long Con wrote:Long Con
thellama73
MacDougall
Epignosis
notsawyer540
Dfaraday
TheFloyd73
Marmot
DrWilgy
Quin

This is a basic rainbow that I hastily constructed. I don't even know if it's exactly how I feel.

Ok. The hell m8?

What do you mean?