The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 5:53 pm Some statistical tidbits from this game:

@DrWilgy pulls within one of the all-time Syndicate wins lead, trailing only Mac. He also pulls within one win of the 2023 lead, trailing only Seanzie.
@MartinGG99 finally snags his first Syndicate win as mafia in his second try. The dice have not let him have many opportunities.

Maybe I'll see that 40% wr by the end of the year.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 3:11 pm It's like we should've killed Falcon after he poisoned the fucking doctor.

But that would've resulted in an sk yeet instead of a townie.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 2:32 pm Town also could have probably won if falcon hit a Mafia with any of the 3 kills.

This! Had Falcon hit me while I was alive it would've just spewed Doki as last wolf. Had he hit Doki I wouldn't have had the vote weight to beat 112.

Makes sense. I was terrified of bulletproof sk. I was pretty sure that was a loss condition.

Aye, I feel that there was quite abit of luck involved in Falc not poisoning us and dodging two bullets from them as well.

Good game!!

@Lime Coke we need to mitigate NK's as much as possible, can you protect in Lily/Abigail while I hit either the remaining Doki/112?

If we leave it 50/50's in who we RB and prot we have a higher chance of dealing with d3 W 112 if it comes to that.

@falcon45ca if it's not LC, then who?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 1:21 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 1:21 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 1:18 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 1:08 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 12:47 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 12:45 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 12:40 pm Like once again you decided to poison the fucking DOCTOR of all fucking things.

The fact that people are fine with this is why towns lose majority of games on this site now.

Toss me your legacy dood.

Lily town
Abigail (maybe) town
You're town

I almost want to just townread 112 because they're the only one that's actually reading me fairly and I'm returning the favor on that by not voting her.

Kill the rest.

Is it not more likely that tmi would provide the easier townread, while the uninformed continue along?

Yeah but also there's people that are town that can read someone correctly and I chose to read the situation that way.

If that's the only person reading me town, and it's mafia, then the actual town players need to do better.

Aye but I didn't think it was just 112. Did I not say you seem within your townrange though should still be PoE?

Did I put you in my townreads when you asked me for a legacy?

You did, but I thought the argument for 112 town included them being the only one so town should do better? Am I not understanding you somewhere?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 1:18 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 1:08 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 12:47 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 12:45 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 12:40 pm Like once again you decided to poison the fucking DOCTOR of all fucking things.

The fact that people are fine with this is why towns lose majority of games on this site now.

Toss me your legacy dood.

Lily town
Abigail (maybe) town
You're town

I almost want to just townread 112 because they're the only one that's actually reading me fairly and I'm returning the favor on that by not voting her.

Kill the rest.

Is it not more likely that tmi would provide the easier townread, while the uninformed continue along?

Yeah but also there's people that are town that can read someone correctly and I chose to read the situation that way.

If that's the only person reading me town, and it's mafia, then the actual town players need to do better.

Aye but I didn't think it was just 112. Did I not say you seem within your townrange though should still be PoE?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 12:47 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 12:45 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 12:40 pm Like once again you decided to poison the fucking DOCTOR of all fucking things.

The fact that people are fine with this is why towns lose majority of games on this site now.

Toss me your legacy dood.

Lily town
Abigail (maybe) town
You're town

I almost want to just townread 112 because they're the only one that's actually reading me fairly and I'm returning the favor on that by not voting her.

Kill the rest.

Is it not more likely that tmi would provide the easier townread, while the uninformed continue along?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 12:40 pm Like once again you decided to poison the fucking DOCTOR of all fucking things.

The fact that people are fine with this is why towns lose majority of games on this site now.

Toss me your legacy dood.

dokidoki wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 12:25 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 12:20 pm

dokidoki wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 12:15 pm I'm around, but I have nothing to say really

I know nanook isn't town and I am voting him, I don't know if he's SK or Mafia so I don't really feel comfortable looking for spew

And if he survives today I'll handle it tonight

But my vote isn't moving for obvious reasons

Alright but who's Nook's teammate if they are W? Why would you be uncomfortable looking for spew?

Gathering spew from a SK does nothing, if lily comes in tomorrow and says nook was mafia then that's cool and I'll work with that, if she says he was SK then I don't see any gain from it

I think it's clear that I am still not sold on the falcon town train although I haven't done all that much today to educate myself in either direction

I do agree that Brad's posting today has been a relatively bad sign for him though so it's possible that it's just him

Otherwise I don't really know, if he's mafia then you're cleared off my track on you, lily would be cleared except in exactly Abigail/lily worlds I think, and I don't really think he's with 112 because he would probably be pushing the thunderdome between us harder if the alternative was his teammate

So I guess the easy answer is Brad and the one I want to be correct for my own personal accuracy is falcon

Falcon can't be Nooks teammate due to action economy, so you think post Nook flip there's either just the SK or 1 W left then? UNLESS we are specifically in the world where Nook SK, Falcon W? or Abigail/Lily W/W?

dokidoki wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 12:15 pm I'm around, but I have nothing to say really

I know nanook isn't town and I am voting him, I don't know if he's SK or Mafia so I don't really feel comfortable looking for spew

And if he survives today I'll handle it tonight

But my vote isn't moving for obvious reasons

Alright but who's Nook's teammate if they are W? Why would you be uncomfortable looking for spew?

Bout an hour and a half till EoD? Where is everyone?

In the words of Abigail.

I'm booooooooooooooooooooooooooooored.

lol with Yeet, Brad resolving, if Nook kills with trap, Doki kills with trap, SK kills, Scum kills, we could be left with 2 players remaining.

fwiw unless Nook is specifically the SK, I think that makes Nook's trap our best chance at getting them regardless of Nook's alignment.

This can also just end the game for T, W or SK now that I think about it lol

@LinearPoint How does Strongarm interact with Trapper? On re-reading Strongarm it implies that the kill will always go through but actions can be blocked still. Does this mean an SK that visits a trapped player would die if they utilize an action on a trapped player but not a kill?

Assoc notes:

There's not much to go off of in Martin's ISO, but let's try prior to EoD at least.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 5:39 pm Wilgy like (early energy I liked a fair bit)
Limecoke like (p#161 in particular)

There's not much to go off of on regarding the things Martin liked. I would however, be remiss to say that putting LC next to me feels almost a bad look for LC as I question does Martin not put a teammate in the likes?

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 5:39 pm falcon semi-like (I like the callout of the half-serious read but he walks back his SR after the defense of it, when I think the defense wasn't all that great)
Nanook semi-like (#202 kinda lines up where I was at that point, idk where the porscha thing came from they're just null imo)
seanzie semi-semi-like (I have the slightest feeling that #270 and #271 are towny since he sorta just implicitly/indirectly shrugs on himself but then calls it good strategy, a thing I don't think a wolf would do)

Eh, trying to extrapolate this I can still see a Nook/Martin team.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 5:39 pm 112 semi-dislike (defense of half-serious read bugs me, calls it a natural thing that towns do instead of exemplifying that it is solvy or something to that effect. Doki doki makes valid point about #80 being kinda towny though)
nutella semi-dislike

The take on 112 is super hedgey and similar in the same fasion that I feel odd about the paring of myself and LC. the pairing of 112 and Nutella is bad.

Lime Coke > Martin

LC didn't mention Martin during d1 specifically. I'd be remiss to mention that this is was the same between W LC and W Roxy in Cool Bugs.

Nanook > Martin

Only interaction was as follows:

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 6:47 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 5:47 pm I missed Nanook's elaboration on the porscha read, and I see where its coming from but I rather not have faith in a probability read based on some broad-ish behavior.

Porcha's also the tracker. I'd say that's worth a night's wait at least.

[VOTE: 112] aubergine

It's specific to her so not really that broad imo

Also have really high success rate at correctly tring her when she's town so

Tracker also not on the shortlist of roles to not kill d1 anyways

Focus was not Martin, nor was really anything said about Martin by Nook.

Skippin Lily

Skippin Falcon

Abigail > Martin

MartinG99 - I honestly don't remember much. I know Martin has made some big posts I read through but they didn't make me feel warm and fuzzy in my tum tum. They made me feel bored and lonely in my head. Scum lean.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 4:18 am Okies but like... why are we not just killing Martin though?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 4:42 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 4:38 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 4:18 am Okies but like... why are we not just killing Martin though?

eh

Like... his content is just there... it's just kinda lacking... this is not the Martin I remember.

Is there a reason I shouldn't think this?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 7:52 am The following effort shall hence be known as the one time Abigail bothered to open an ISO pls send help I hate this.

Spoiler: show

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 5:40 am I suppose as courtesy I should note that I've been aware of the game but I've not really been paying attention to it since a massive posts haven't been made and I've been thoroughly enjoying Baldurs Gate 3 among other things.

I'll be here to give this game my focus in like 9-10 hours. Also, now checking on it, there doesn't seem to be a clearly defined posting requirement. Unless there's like a site-wide rule now or something about that.

As far as I can tell this is the only post that appears to mention busyness. I can't blame Martin for putting BG3 before mafia I mean like who wouldn't.

What I don't like is the promise of game focus that just kind of never happens. This iso is 9 posts at 3? hours to EoD and he's flying under the radar. No bueno.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 5:39 pm Wilgy like (early energy I liked a fair bit)
Limecoke like (p#161 in particular)

falcon semi-like (I like the callout of the half-serious read but he walks back his SR after the defense of it, when I think the defense wasn't all that great)
Nanook semi-like (#202 kinda lines up where I was at that point, idk where the porscha thing came from they're just null imo)
seanzie semi-semi-like (I have the slightest feeling that #270 and #271 are towny since he sorta just implicitly/indirectly shrugs on himself but then calls it good strategy, a thing I don't think a wolf would do)

112 semi-dislike (defense of half-serious read bugs me, calls it a natural thing that towns do instead of exemplifying that it is solvy or something to that effect. Doki doki makes valid point about #80 being kinda towny though)
nutella semi-dislike

the rest I don't really have an opinion on

Lily
Porscha
Abigail
doki doki

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 7:01 pm Oh god I signed up for flipless, lord help me

it's gonna be even more wonderful if the poisoner, trapper, SK, and mafia all land a kill n1

Ideally not all of that happens, as there are a few ways to stop each of those, but I see plenty of chances for a scuffed gamestate given the flipless (which may be better thought of as a free unpreventable and unstoppable super-janitor of all alignments for the mafia's sake; some roles can help with that but it relies on trusting those roles)

This entire reads list is just a WHOLE bunch of words that amount to hedge reads on every slot mentioned with no substance. -1

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 5:40 pm I know I don't have a tidbit on Nutella. I just haven't played with them in ages, and I haven't seen anything to suggest they're town to me.

Unnecessary shade post while excusing their read if it's wrong because "silly me it's been so long"

If Martin is wolf bet bet Nutella is IC

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 5:47 pm I missed Nanook's elaboration on the porscha read, and I see where its coming from but I rather not have faith in a probability read based on some broad-ish behavior.

Porcha's also the tracker. I'd say that's worth a night's wait at least.

[VOTE: 112] aubergine

I've noticed a little bit that Martin is completely unwilling to close the door to anything. The vote on 112 is less wolfy I think they were at one and it was me.

What I don't like is that this post is like basically hedging on Porscha much like they've done elsewhere it's saying well give her a day but also maybe she's a wolf. No bueno.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 5:58 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 5:54 pm Why don't you have an opinion on me?

a lot of your posts are preety thin + I don't know you from the past (at least, I don't think so, maybe I've seen your name once before but I can't recall)

and I just haven't gotten around to figuring how I should engage you and others in order to solve

I really really hate this post because lily is like the main driving force of content in this game and I don't believe for one second that someone could at this point in the game not have a read on her.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 6:04 pm Sean, I am paranoid of you. That's why I wanted to get the slightest pointer one way or another so I can rest my mind lol.

I still recall that one game where you poked and semi-pushed me really early, and I thought you were wolf for it, and was correct about it but ended up changing my mind till it was too late and you just nuked everyone. I think it was that avatar/airbender game?

Meh? I feel like Sean is an easy push to make and like I am not a fan of how they are going about it.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 6:25 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 6:13 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 6:04 pm Sean, I am paranoid of you. That's why I wanted to get the slightest pointer one way or another so I can rest my mind lol.

I still recall that one game where you poked and semi-pushed me really early, and I thought you were wolf for it, and was correct about it but ended up changing my mind till it was too late and you just nuked everyone. I think it was that avatar/airbender game?

Also reanimators.

Wait have I been misremembering the whole time?

Seems I was remembering the beginning of reanimators and the end ending of Atla as one game. Which is weird.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 6:26 pm For several games I was thinking of it as Atla but I never actually checked smh.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 7:04 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 6:47 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 5:47 pm I missed Nanook's elaboration on the porscha read, and I see where its coming from but I rather not have faith in a probability read based on some broad-ish behavior.

Porcha's also the tracker. I'd say that's worth a night's wait at least.

[VOTE: 112] aubergine

It's specific to her so not really that broad imo

Also have really high success rate at correctly tring her when she's town so

Tracker also not on the shortlist of roles to not kill d1 anyways

I suppose so if its more of a meta-specific thing. Thought it was broad as in like you'd foreseeably could apply to any other potential wolves. For some reason I didn't recall this sooner, but I have to ask @Seanzie if he was actually BSing about his read accuracy on Porscha in that recent wolf game or if he actually has that.

As for stuff not to kill d1, for me its largely just whatever adds information to the game or otherwise prevents death that shouldn't be instantly thrown out.

I think that ends up being a list of like, just thinking about the roles in isolation,

Wilgy (jailkeeper)
Lime (doctor)
Lily (coroner)*
Seanzie (delayed cop)*
Nutella (watcher)
Porscha (tracker)

Stuff with * is stuff that could be fake-able without much issue so idk about them. Which is only half or a third of the players in the game depending on how you take it.

Meh this is like okay I think

My conclusion is that Martin hedges on almost every read they make and keeps the doors open for pushes into everyone even his town reads. His flow in the game seems to be following the thread into sus on the slots that are gaining traction or others have mentioned feeling bad about.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 8:38 am Vote: Martin

Might not stay here though still want porscha alive no matter what

This is abit much for a hellbus. Even if Martin was like 'hey bus me' in wolf chat, I'd just lose to this.

112 > Martin

112 didn't mention Martin D1.

dokidoki > Martin

dokidoki wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 9:28 am Yo, I thought end of day was tomorrow, I'm still at work and will be until EoD but I'll get a vote down

I agree that Bus Driver is one of those roles that is dangerous to keep around if they're not villagery, I feel like the Doublevoter is more applicable to that rule because BD is a really strong role for town where I don't think the doublevoter adds a ton

Let me read up on Martin again, I didn't really get an impression before

Nai

dokidoki wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 9:51 am

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 9:49 am

dokidoki wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 9:46 am I don't really get your view on the Wilgy/falcon duo, can you go into more detail there

The Wilgy towncase did not at all convince me

I mean, maybe hes just powerwolfing towncasing his partner but at the time it came across as real to me

Idk, now that i think of it martin could also fit with wilgy so maybe thats just the team

That was my fear too

I'm still considering whether or not I want to just vote out falcon and then kill Wilgy out of policy if falcon is mafia

Martin/Wilgy was the focus, but doki chooses to prioritize me in the conversation at hand.

dokidoki wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 10:36 am Morning, lily!

I would prefer you voted martin or falcon, personally, but I also wouldn't lose sleep over it... it does seem like my vote is going to be the decider though

Which I might lose a bit of sleep over but probably not

Martin 2nd to Falcon

dokidoki wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 10:40 am [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Honestly I'll probably switch to Martin if the votes end at 3-3 but I do think this is more likely to flip mafia

Martin 2nd to Falcon again

Doki ended on Falcon.

Thoughts
Perhaps I'm already biased, but I do think that this reinforced what my thoughts were already regarding the Gamestate. 112 not mentioning Martin and the hedgey take (and minor grouping) that Martin has for 112 needs to be resolved this cycle. We can't take that into d3.

Glad LC is being resolved.

I do feel somewhat worse about Nook. Not sure if I should/shouldn't revoke the thought of no TMI based on assoc here. Nook being put in a group with Falc/Sean who we know aren't Martin's teammates feels icky.

The interactions with Doki can be read as either, 'they were fine with Martin going over' or 'They put Martin as 2nd towards EoD in order to protect.' With how Doki was treating Falcon the majority of D1, it's hard to determine if Doki legitimately had suspicion of Falc and would move or not.

Yeetamus Maxamus list:
112 > Nook/>Doki > LC

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2023 1:11 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 11:57 pm brad giving up is honestly an either alignment thing but idk something is off about how he's done it makes me almost think he's a wolf who has given up? like there's certain ways a poisoned wolf acts i guess and this matches my perception of a poisoned wolf

If I'm a wolf I point blank stop posting for anti-spew and stop bothering because I have next to no thread pull.

Like my preferred yeet is actually Falcon for poisoning me but no one wants to do it so I'm just doing whatever.

I'm down if you can iterate how it's possible to have 3 kills AND W Falcon still gets the poison off.

Meh, hard to say Nook has tmi after re skimming his input from last night.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 11:07 pm There are nightmare worlds with wilgy and lily and/or lily and Abby but I just don't want to think about that cause they're both losses no matter what I think

I agree

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 10:52 pm Anyways apparently the mech says doki is outed via missing kill so that's good, kill them, kill 112 probably? And I might kill wilgy too, lowkey has high sk equity I think

Abby proooobably town, I've had some pings but honestly I haven't read her closely enough to tell if they're real or not

Taking lily as town

Brad is gonna die so don't care, actually think falcon might be townie but not sure if im underestimating his mafia play


Remember that if I die today and lily dies in the night wilgy is quasi-outed

I don't know why I'd be so over anyone else and I think I've seen it thrice now. Is it the classic "Wilgy is just sus?" Mindset?

How would I be outed in that situation unless your the SK? Protectives are useless per Brad's claim.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 10:43 pm Is there a full action claim list yet?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 2:26 pm I got:
Lime Coke protected Seanzie
Nanook holstered
Falcon poisoned Lime Coke
Abigail neighborized Lily
Doki tracked me
I jailed Lily

[VOTE: 112] aubergine though.

The more I think about it the more I'm frightened by it. If It's a 3v2 next cycle and both Ws are singular in vote we can deal with that, if it is W 112 and we're wrong on Nook I'll cry.

Plus big nook wagon scary.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 9:22 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 8:51 pm Leaves SK in 112, Brad, Lily, Falc.

Wolves in 112/(Doki/Nook)/LC

Gratz Abigail, you're the one true town core.

Did I ruin that by voting book Nook

No.

lmao, I called Brad Brad and LC in the same post.

Leaves SK in 112, Brad, Lily, Falc.

Wolves in 112/(Doki/Nook)/LC

Gratz Abigail, you're the one true town core.

Bah, the more I think about it the more I realize I have very little means to actually hunt the SK.

The only three that don't make sense as SK are Abigail (reasons I provided above), Doki and Nook.

SK Doki doesn't green me. Very much for the same reason SK Abigail doesn't argue against W Nook, SK Doki doesn't come into thread attempting to clear me.

SK Nook doesn't argue holster with 3 kills visible. Too risky to take the 50/50 with Doki without a team.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 8:41 pm Imma go get drunk with Lumi now she's much more entertaining and fun than you all.


Jkjk I love you all. But I am gonna go do that...byeeeee

SK Falc is frightening as I don't know how they'd operate meta wise. Falcon's t and w range is identifiable, but no clue what sk Falc looks like. SK plausible.

I do not know if SK Abigail pushes against the Nook, nor laments about being alive. WIFOM, but I think unlikely SK.

SK Lily likely doesn't lie about W Martin. There'd be no need to. SK plausible.

112 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 8:33 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 8:28 pm

112 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 8:21 pm i recant my read on abigail btw.

What was this read?

that abigail could be SK

I have no clue how we hunt sk.

If we consider the PoE as players that have teammates or wolves within, SK is likely outside that.

Meaning they could be in Me, Lily, Abigail, Falc?

Or Lily's the SK and then we are all fucked because who knows?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 8:24 pm Assuming we shoot in the Nook/Doki 50/50 and are wrong, If 112 is W and SK doesn't hit the other W, mafia wins.

Actually, let me rephrase this, because it's possible SK still wins this situation.

if we yeet Doki/Nook and the wolf team is the remaining and 112, SK wins if they manage to hit both wolves and Mafia wins if they manage to hit SK without losing their remaining teammate as we'd be at parity.

112 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 8:21 pm i recant my read on abigail btw.

What was this read?

If we are going with the 50/50 I'm staying on Nook and jailing Doki and we pray 112 isn't last W.

Removing Nook now at least reduces kill potential by one and I do think that's just the correct vote between the two.

PoE being 112/(nook/doki)/(resolving already) brad makes me think it's alright to go either way, but again if we are wrong on 112 now, I don't think we'll have another chance to remove them via vote.

Assuming we shoot in the Nook/Doki 50/50 and are wrong, If 112 is W and SK doesn't hit the other W, mafia wins.

Brad is dying regardless, even if I block the survivor between Nook/Doki, W 112 can carry the kill. Abigail can't neighborize me, I won't know the results of the 50/50 until d3.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 7:47 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 4:52 pm

dokidoki wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 4:47 pm I was under the impression that if the SK picked strongman all of their kills were strongmanned?

Either way, I feel like this game is going to become one where I just hope everybody else is right

I'll sit on that

Ah, I had to re read it. Seems that you are correct.

Welp, I'm effectively useless in solving sk then. THOUGH it did just occur to me if @☆Princess Abigail☆ (how the hell am I supposed to tag you?) neighborizes me with Lily in there to discuss the yeet results prior to me needing to submit the jail, I may be able to use it to hit w.

Sorry already submitted my choice

sad.

112 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 6:22 pm i feel like everyone's ignoring mech stuff which demonstrates a wolf between doki and nanook (likely nanook).

I don't think anyone is ignoring the 50/50 between Nook and Doki, rather, if we are going to solve you it needs to be this cycle.

Going back to housework fr now though (I just wanna be playing Baldur's Gate ).

dokidoki wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 4:47 pm I was under the impression that if the SK picked strongman all of their kills were strongmanned?

Either way, I feel like this game is going to become one where I just hope everybody else is right

I'll sit on that

Ah, I had to re read it. Seems that you are correct.

Welp, I'm effectively useless in solving sk then. THOUGH it did just occur to me if @☆Princess Abigail☆ (how the hell am I supposed to tag you?) neighborizes me with Lily in there to discuss the yeet results prior to me needing to submit the jail, I may be able to use it to hit w.

I leave to continue housework now. Wish luck.

I'm currently at 112/(nook/doki)/Brad PoE. If 112 is a W and their teammate isn't Nook/Doki/Brad we likely lose the game.

No clue on how we resolve the SK and I think I need to utilize the rb aggressively rather than defensively this cycle as strongman is supposedly already used up.

If Brad lied about protecting Seanzie and the strongman is still in play we are likely just dead.

112 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 1:42 pm the game should be solvable at this point but we're still not really hitting right

what's upsetting right now is that people are voting for me and i still don't understand the basis.

my mafia pool/poe is:

nanook
falcon
dokidoki

after that, the SK could be anyone, so i'm not sure why people are necessarily locktowning certain players.

i was giving nanook a d1 pass because he "doesn't do d1s" but i'm quite unimpressed by his posting today. i'm still unsure how 3 players die overnight if he holsters. there's a sk kill, a mafia kill and a beast tamer kill. the only way would be if doki copied his role, but they 99% tracked wilgy. the conspiracy theory would be that doki and wilgy are the remaining wolves and doki actually mimed nanook's role. if i'm t!nanook i'm 100% sure that doki is a wolf.

I think you are valid within the PoE.

Falcon/(Nook/doki) doesn't work because of poisoning (which falc took credit for) + 3 kills. Not enough actions exist for Falcon to be on a team with either of them and there to be three dead. Falcon and Lily are only ever not T if SK.

Also Falc's just in their town range.

Assuming Lily's not misleading us, Abigail is clear by merit against Martin (again cleared as W, not as SK).

I had reasons to tr most players except Nook last cycle and just think that's still the correct way to resolve this, but I also see merit in solving you 112. I think allowing a double-voting member of the PoE who also doesn't need to worry about choosing to carry a kill vs preforming an action as w is bad.

Assuming there's 2 kills, poison resolves this night and a yeet, there'll be 4 of us remaining and that almost gives you parity by yourself, and does give you parity with a teammate.

112 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 12:02 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 12:03 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 11:58 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 11:45 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 11:30 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 3:10 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 2:35 pm Late D1 from my #385 (~12 hr before EoD)


D1 EoD

Why are you coloring sean and co. green?

Nanomachines, son!

What does that mean

I'm actually asking why they're colored green here, pls answer

The answer is that Lily has said they are town and Lily is most likely town. Her results are as I understand it immediate.

im conf town actually lmao

confirmed how?

Lily was jailed and we had 3 kills.

Only situations where Lily is leading us down an incorrect route is if SK Lily strongarmed through role block and Brad's protect.

Or if specifically W Lily and I are aligned.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 12:09 am Welp I misunderstood how psychic worked with timing, rip

Lily back to near confirmed town

Literally the only situation where Lily isn't town is if the team is me+Lily lmao

Apologies for not really being around this weekend. Feel that I'm putting all my time/energy into house work these past two days and it's resulting in a lack of critical thinking capacity following.

Keep feeling that I'm reading thread and not really absorbing anything.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 11:45 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 11:30 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 3:10 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 2:35 pm Late D1 from my #385 (~12 hr before EoD)

Lime Coke (1): Falcon45ca
Seanzie (1): DrWilgy
Porscha (3): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, nutella, Seanzie
Falcon45ca (3): Lime Coke, lilypetal, Porscha
☆Princess Abigail☆ (1): 112
112 (2): MartinGG99, ☆Princess Abigail☆
Not Voting (1): dokidoki

D1 EoD

falcon45ca (4): Lime Coke, dokidoki, Porscha, lilypetal
MartinGG99 (4): falcon45ca, ☆Princess Abigail☆, nutella, Seanzie
☆Princess Abigail☆ (2): 112
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (1): DrWilgy
Porscha (1): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
112 (1): MartinGG99

Why are you coloring sean and co. green?

Nanomachines, son!

What does that mean

I'm actually asking why they're colored green here, pls answer

Because they are town?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 8:20 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 2:45 pm Immediate observations,
Lily is cleared by rb + 3 kills.
Abigail is cleared by both voting right next to Martin and confirming the flip.
112 looks good enough by Martin's vote.

Wolfs in LC, Nook, 112, dokidoki

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

Okay so last night I was hard on Nook in the hood but....I kinda town read Nooks posting today :/

What do you find that's different today?