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leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:55 pm In particular, I thought I was being helpful trying to figure out the pairings but that could've ended up costing the game. I feel like unanticipatable elements like that aren't fun. Still, I think the balance was fair otherwise.

I thought that solving pairings was kinda bad for these reasons. I was mostly afraid of soups, but I lied about the shadow vote to try to keep wolf data/soup data to a minimum.

GG though this was a fun one. Probably would've gotten to rondo, but unsure if I ever hit Ran.

Damn, I would've gotten all 3 wolves on my side.

Where were you when the one person with 2 pelts and half the solve was yeeted in lylo?

Gotcha. I'll just have to find it after errands. Trying to do too much at the moment, but at least wanted to attempt to respond to notifies.

Re my interactions with Brad, what makws you think I was trying to put them on safe PoE?

The moment it was discussed why they should go I was on board. I even voted at the exact same time as Scotty. Like, is it abnormal to need discussion on someone to get a read and PoE vote on that someone correct?

Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:11 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:02 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:59 pm [VOTE: Alexy] aubergine

I am fine with consolidating here but I am weary of DrWilgy's interactions with Lime Coke from the other day...
I kinda missed the whole last day. What went down there that's making you wary?
You can read it for yourself but it just seemed like to me that DrWilgy was making moves to like kinda put Lime Coke in the POE but also focus on trying to push other people over Lime Coke if he could and when he gave up on that, I believe that he seemed like he was setting up for today

Are you talking about this?

Also setting up for today, would that imply I knew about the merge? Or triple death?

I feel like we are implying a lot in this statement without actually stating what has you suspicious of me.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:20 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:19 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 4:36 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 4:28 pm So Rondo voting TSP effectively has no meaning?
Anyway, what do you think of Alexy vs. ted in terms of claims?
Eh, again, I'm really bad about claims. I keep reading Ran's mech tldr and I don't parse anything of it.

I'd likely vote Ted over Alexy rn though. Greater chance of hitting a W just due to numbers on each side. Plus in skimming Ted's ISO I feel they have been more keen to mech discussion rather than drawing conclusions from it.

Alexy's reason for voting Ted also goes over my head, so it feels like useless data to me.
If the wolf on your side isn't you or Alexy, who is it?

That's a hard one, but probably Cape?

Both Wolves at points went after PSV, not in a way that seems like a hell bus.

Cape has had a few moments where I'm like 'this is a wolfy post" but then Cape just turns out to be more likely just correct. Cape could be correct because they are a wolf and have tmi, but it would be hard for me to make that argument.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 4:36 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 4:28 pm So Rondo voting TSP effectively has no meaning?
Anyway, what do you think of Alexy vs. ted in terms of claims?

Eh, again, I'm really bad about claims. I keep reading Ran's mech tldr and I don't parse anything of it.

I'd likely vote Ted over Alexy rn though. Greater chance of hitting a W just due to numbers on each side. Plus in skimming Ted's ISO I feel they have been more keen to mech discussion rather than drawing conclusions from it.

Alexy's reason for voting Ted also goes over my head, so it feels like useless data to me.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:13 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:12 pm
Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 6:23 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:42 am PoE: Ted/Abigail>Alexy>Leetic/Ran

Rondo resolves against Ted.

Ran Resolves against Abigail.

This is the way.
what exactly does this "resolves against" mean?
Tes Rondo aren't W/W and feels a little dif-like (I say this in the most unsure way) so we can resolve Rondo by flipping Ted or vise versa.
What makes you think they can't be t/t? Is Ranmilia/Abby not a possibility?

They can be, but just based on vote patterns and wagons I see, less likely to be so.

I don't remember exactly what made me think this though. When I'm at CPU I'll see if I already explained this prior.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:37 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 4:20 pm I gotta say this is still an interesting experience for me.

Knowing there's data I just can't utilize is fascinating. I know I could probably draw correct conclusions about Abigail and Rondo at least had I had this data.
You'd town read me with data so so trying to kill me fwen

Okie doke

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 6:23 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:42 am PoE: Ted/Abigail>Alexy>Leetic/Ran

Rondo resolves against Ted.

Ran Resolves against Abigail.

This is the way.
what exactly does this "resolves against" mean?

Tes Rondo aren't W/W and feels a little dif-like (I say this in the most unsure way) so we can resolve Rondo by flipping Ted or vise versa.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:06 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 11:48 pm @Alexy where would you vote right now?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:26 am Skimmed your votes. Oddly not many wagons have resolutions there.

Things that stood out: Abigail and Ted have block voted since D2, there's 1 W between them.

Rondo/Ted not W/W.

Ran and Leetic have comparable equity in voting. Not weird, but obscuring for the slots.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:42 am PoE: Ted/Abigail>Alexy>Leetic/Ran

Rondo resolves against Ted.

Ran Resolves against Abigail.

This is the way.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:47 am Now, my holdup here that is a problem this game is that I'm by no means a mechanical player.

Does anyone see or can point out to me exact points of mech contention between players and why?

I assume they exist between Ted/Alexy? Does Leetics present one as well?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 3:43 pm Someone tell me why Abigail/Leetic/Alexy isn't the team?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 4:13 pm kk, swap you out for someone else and tell me why that trio makes sense.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 4:19 pm Care to detail to me the interactions between tsp and rondo?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 4:20 pm I gotta say this is still an interesting experience for me.

Knowing there's data I just can't utilize is fascinating. I know I could probably draw correct conclusions about Abigail and Rondo at least had I had this data.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 4:28 pm So Rondo voting TSP effectively has no meaning?
all this was said while DrWilgy completely ignored my arguments against him, just kinda gone about his day

I don't really like his Abby/leetic/Alexy team as I just don't feel like leetic is ever scum here with how proactive they have been, like if that's mafia, I am washed.

A lot of just kinda spewing out worlds with no analysis really that is done here, like all of this just kinda feels like he is throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks instead of forming a coherent opinion on anyone

I didn't see you had arguments against me, I'll flip through your ISO in a moment.

So Rondo voting TSP effectively has no meaning?

I gotta say this is still an interesting experience for me.

Knowing there's data I just can't utilize is fascinating. I know I could probably draw correct conclusions about Abigail and Rondo at least had I had this data.

Care to detail to me the interactions between tsp and rondo?

kk, swap you out for someone else and tell me why that trio makes sense.

Someone tell me why Abigail/Leetic/Alexy isn't the team?

Now, my holdup here that is a problem this game is that I'm by no means a mechanical player.

Does anyone see or can point out to me exact points of mech contention between players and why?

I assume they exist between Ted/Alexy? Does Leetics present one as well?

PoE: Ted/Abigail>Alexy>Leetic/Ran

Rondo resolves against Ted.

Ran Resolves against Abigail.

This is the way.

Skimmed your votes. Oddly not many wagons have resolutions there.

Things that stood out: Abigail and Ted have block voted since D2, there's 1 W between them.

Rondo/Ted not W/W.

Ran and Leetic have comparable equity in voting. Not weird, but obscuring for the slots.

@Alexy where would you vote right now?

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 3:15 am Also, the threads were 24 hours off. Can any of you (@Alexy, @DrWilgy, @potentialsheltervet, @Cape90) tell me what was going on in the last 24 hours of your thread?

Being perfectly honest, as far as I was aware the last 24 hours the thread was pretty calm. PSV and Alexy weren't in thread until the final 30 min before EoD. Pretty much all the Brad Voters had placed their vote pretty early in and discussion settled down.

There was afew attempts to get Brad to defend themselves or speak to their wolfy posts, but besides that I remember little of import.

@Cape90 was around, and may be more keen to smaller details that I glazed as non important.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:21 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:03 pm Fascinating. Hello folks, how was the other side of things?
Wilgy my beloved!!

Hello dear friend, it is always a pleasure to see you. I look to your guidance for sorting who the wolf(s) from your subspace bubble are.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:16 am Wait, I just had an Idea.

What if thread merged because wolves already won in thread 2? What if there are 2 wolves left in thread 2 and 1 wolf left in thread 1? Does that make any sense?

4 wolves with this player count FEELS low, but the thought did cross my mind.

Just skimmed both Alexy and Cape's ISO.

With Cape there's enough early interactions between Ilario and Brad that voting there over Alexy would be unwise I think.

PoE our side is just Alexy as it stands.

While we may not be able to quote iso's I think it'd be helpful if we reviewed our threads and at least comment as to who should be removed from PoE and why.

Thinking about how we move forward with our suspicions. It's odd that here we are d5 and it feels like d1 abit.

PSV is the only one I'd say is not W from our group.

Alexy more wolfy than Cape.

If I had to vote for anyone right now it'd probably be Alexy while acknowledging that it may still be Cape.

I assume people know they got one because they were informed?

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:01 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 12:59 amNo clue
Just checking, did you ever receive a shadow vote?

I did not

No clue

Here's what the polls from our side looked like. Would someone mind compiling yours and sending it?

DAY 1

Spoiler: show

DAY 2

Spoiler: show

DAY 3

Spoiler: show

DAY 4

Spoiler: show

Eh, perhaps assuming an even split is abit much.

If we assume an even split and 3 wolves had been found then there's 1 or 3 remaining and idk what to make of that.

9 of us remaining,

Host states untraditional endgame going on. Do we think 2-3 wolves remain?

If the subthreads were split evenly, and your side didn't see 2 wolves and a 3p does that imply a greater chance for wolf amongst y'all and a 3rd party not found?

So, mechanically, I knew DarlingMonroe was town per Jack, but outside of that I barely kept up with mech discussion.

Oh, Nutella and Jack were also town. They were NK'd I think.

On our side Ilario and Lime Coke flipped W. Delta flipped 3p. Long Con, Porscha, Scotty flipped town. Don't think I'm missing anyone.

Fascinating. Hello folks, how was the other side of things?

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