The Syndicate

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:57 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:55 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:54 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:53 pm Lol, alright, well this doesn't math if everyone is cool with it.

Guess it's game over.

I dont know

My vote isnt firm, I just need to get one down to begin with

He says 5 min before EoD.

Cheeky goober.

FUCK

Lol wolf

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:57 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:53 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:51 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:48 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:39 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:30 pm @WindwardAway what is the plan when I flip town?

Honestly, I think we just lose if you flip town
I've put all my eggs in one basket, there is still a wolf in the West but I have much higher certainty on you
If you flip town I'm already way off-base anyway, I haven't reconsidered leetic since yesterday and I haven't reconsidered Epi since days ago. I think it's very simply just Delta and you, but I'm less sure on Delta.
If it's Epi, I probably lose to him in all scenarios, so maybe I should actually give it some thought. I believe he's the towniest currently, though.
Leetic I would reconsider if you flip town, because of their switch from pushing me to pushing you yesterday. It's not really that their push means much, since the wolves aren't partnered, but moreso that I have to widen my PoE if you aren't a wolf.
I plan on reading through Delta's ISO again, too, because I have mixed feelings on them.

If true we kinda are at the same spot then, but I think I'd swap Delta and Epi at this point.

Well I've now concluded that Delta is half clear and probably on their way to being fully cleared tbh
So yeah, that changes my readlist a bit

Just as easy as making an argument against your fake worldview using incorrect game rules lol

I legit do not believe I shouldve survived that tie without there being any kind of message about the flip being randed, but maybe it's because I don't play here that often
I'm used to seeing an explicit host message that the vote randed, either in the OP or in the flip post, if no other mechanics are at play

See that would be abnormal or at host discretion for me.

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:55 pm You were asking WWA their plan for when you flip, why is it now game over? ?_?

Because I don't think we've delt with either team.

When I flip, there's a high chance it'll be T/A/L next cycle.

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:54 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:53 pm Lol, alright, well this doesn't math if everyone is cool with it.

Guess it's game over.

I dont know

My vote isnt firm, I just need to get one down to begin with

He says 5 min before EoD.

Cheeky goober.

Lol, alright, well this doesn't math if everyone is cool with it.

Guess it's game over.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:51 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:48 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:39 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:30 pm @WindwardAway what is the plan when I flip town?

Honestly, I think we just lose if you flip town
I've put all my eggs in one basket, there is still a wolf in the West but I have much higher certainty on you
If you flip town I'm already way off-base anyway, I haven't reconsidered leetic since yesterday and I haven't reconsidered Epi since days ago. I think it's very simply just Delta and you, but I'm less sure on Delta.
If it's Epi, I probably lose to him in all scenarios, so maybe I should actually give it some thought. I believe he's the towniest currently, though.
Leetic I would reconsider if you flip town, because of their switch from pushing me to pushing you yesterday. It's not really that their push means much, since the wolves aren't partnered, but moreso that I have to widen my PoE if you aren't a wolf.
I plan on reading through Delta's ISO again, too, because I have mixed feelings on them.

If true we kinda are at the same spot then, but I think I'd swap Delta and Epi at this point.

Well I've now concluded that Delta is half clear and probably on their way to being fully cleared tbh
So yeah, that changes my readlist a bit

Just as easy as making an argument against your fake worldview using incorrect game rules lol

Bleh, I feel like I'm losing us the game, but the only person who's voted me and interacted with me or anything I've had to say is the person I'm voting lol.

I guess that means I shouldn't feel too bad.

Good luck if there's a f3. If we get there, please town side Delta lol.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:39 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:30 pm @WindwardAway what is the plan when I flip town?

Honestly, I think we just lose if you flip town
I've put all my eggs in one basket, there is still a wolf in the West but I have much higher certainty on you
If you flip town I'm already way off-base anyway, I haven't reconsidered leetic since yesterday and I haven't reconsidered Epi since days ago. I think it's very simply just Delta and you, but I'm less sure on Delta.
If it's Epi, I probably lose to him in all scenarios, so maybe I should actually give it some thought. I believe he's the towniest currently, though.
Leetic I would reconsider if you flip town, because of their switch from pushing me to pushing you yesterday. It's not really that their push means much, since the wolves aren't partnered, but moreso that I have to widen my PoE if you aren't a wolf.
I plan on reading through Delta's ISO again, too, because I have mixed feelings on them.

If true we kinda are at the same spot then, but I think I'd swap Delta and Epi at this point.

@WindwardAway what is the plan when I flip town?

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:09 pm Yeah, five arbiters is probably a bit much and probably would mean the game is essentially settled by now. Then again, five landlords (counting Davos) isn't much better. Five per team would result in 10/32 wolves or a bit under 33%, which is acceptable for multiball but only if wolves kill every night, and if it's been alternating like people say it's a bit hard to see there being that much.

There were multi kills for like 4 rounds lol

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:06 pm I *still* think Davos's vote didn't count, regardless of what the OP says about ties
You can get on my case for it, it's fine, but I don't believe that was randomized

Sure would be a shame if ties were arbiter controlled right?

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:10 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:06 pm I *still* think Davos's vote didn't count, regardless of what the OP says about ties
You can get on my case for it, it's fine, but I don't believe that was randomized

That's basically unfalsifiable at this point. Although if Davos's votes don't count, why did they vote at all?

But why though?

bunkus

Final hour pings.

@Delta, @Epignosis, @leetic, I'm town. I think the games toast if I go over. If the game continues after my flip, yeet WWA into the sun. WWA's entire argument against why their worldview was incorrect was bunkus and I wonder what y'all think regarding that tbh.

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:52 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:49 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:45 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:44 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:37 pm I dunno

I'm focusing too much on puppet mech I'm unsure about considering the time I've had in this has been so limited

On a broader scale, I do think final landlord lies within you two but like. If Davos was tied to a dead mafia, I dont know where that really leaves me?

I dont think it's both of you is a main issue which is tough because I know a huge part of late game has been 'just clear the other thread'

Aye, well I'm also at the point where Epi/WWA's vote swapping almost seems coordinated, but I also think i'm beyond tinfoil mode.

It cant be though, no?

Unless teams became aware of each other or some other weird factor like a third wolf team

I mean, if landlords have 1 remaining that puts 1 team at 4.5 members. I don't know if it's too stretchy to think Arbiters could've started with 5 and we are now facing a 2v2v1.

I hope that's not the case and that's why it's merely tinfoil.

I mean

I dont think that works? Or hope not at least??

But wouldnt that also have meant one team had reached parity by this point? Or would they still need to take the other side out first?

?_? either way I hope that's just tinfoil LMAO

it is. lol.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:48 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:40 pm The issue with Davos = Brad is it would only be him or one of you, and I think if it's him he outright doesnt use the puppet after death if he isnt achieving anything with it.

If it had some sort of restrictive clause that'd explain the use, especially if its only use with said restriction was to support 1 remaining member not on it's side. The sock did need to post to vote apparently.

Also, I guess I'd like to add, what if Davos was, purely a proxy for the landlords? As in the WHOLE team? Players couldn't see across, but wolves knew before the split, idk if it's too wild for the TEAM to have a puppet in a specific thread.

I've been trying to wrap my head around the puppet thing all day and I think this makes more sense than a ghost puppet.

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:45 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:44 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:37 pm I dunno

I'm focusing too much on puppet mech I'm unsure about considering the time I've had in this has been so limited

On a broader scale, I do think final landlord lies within you two but like. If Davos was tied to a dead mafia, I dont know where that really leaves me?

I dont think it's both of you is a main issue which is tough because I know a huge part of late game has been 'just clear the other thread'

Aye, well I'm also at the point where Epi/WWA's vote swapping almost seems coordinated, but I also think i'm beyond tinfoil mode.

It cant be though, no?

Unless teams became aware of each other or some other weird factor like a third wolf team

I mean, if landlords have 1 remaining that puts 1 team at 4.5 members. I don't know if it's too stretchy to think Arbiters could've started with 5 and we are now facing a 2v2v1.

I hope that's not the case and that's why it's merely tinfoil.

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:40 pm The issue with Davos = Brad is it would only be him or one of you, and I think if it's him he outright doesnt use the puppet after death if he isnt achieving anything with it.

If it had some sort of restrictive clause that'd explain the use, especially if its only use with said restriction was to support 1 remaining member not on it's side. The sock did need to post to vote apparently.

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:37 pm I dunno

I'm focusing too much on puppet mech I'm unsure about considering the time I've had in this has been so limited

On a broader scale, I do think final landlord lies within you two but like. If Davos was tied to a dead mafia, I dont know where that really leaves me?

I dont think it's both of you is a main issue which is tough because I know a huge part of late game has been 'just clear the other thread'

Aye, well I'm also at the point where Epi/WWA's vote swapping almost seems coordinated, but I also think i'm beyond tinfoil mode.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:40 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:36 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:14 pm I'm not Davos's puppet master.

Why would I push you for the same reason? I've already explained why I don't think you are landlord, do you suddenly expect me to change those thoughts after successfully hitting the landlord in East?

I didn't put effort into a case on you, you've basically all but said "I have to yeet Wilgy" and only Arbiter WWA would believe that as vehemently and upfront as you did.

Yes, I actually do believe it's suspicious that you're not reconsidering your view of me that I can't be a landlord. I see no reason why I should be looking elsewhere.

"Damn, why doesn't Wilgy think that I created a Landlord/Landlord/town state by killing Nutella and then alongside him lead the yeet of landlord Davos?"

And honestly the fact that you are pushing the thought that I did both of these things when that's so contrary to my own thinking is the best way for me to define your worldview as being borked.

I'm back to this now lol. WWA's entire argument for 'Yes Wilgy does create a Landlord/Landlord/town state' was that I would because Davos was worthless because they went over, this argument is 'well good thing I won the coinflip let me use that' at best OR 'good thing Arbiters win ties' at worst.

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:29 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:28 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:27 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 7:43 pm Ties will not result in no-elimination

??

oh goddammit

LMAO

I was worried you were getting into mech hinting territory which is why I said to drop it but

if not, why would that be a stall play if it doesnt work?

No, I'm just exhausted lol.

[VOTE: WWA] aubergine the entire argument that Davos going over meaning he had no contribution to parity is poot.

I read the damn OP 3 times today.

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:27 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 7:43 pm Ties will not result in no-elimination

??

oh goddammit

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:23 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:22 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:21 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:20 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:18 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:17 pm Landlord WWA COULD have moved off Davis thinking a tie between themselves would cause a no yeet.

WWA only doubling down on the "Davos doesn't count" in regards to my behavior when that didn't work unexpectedly.

Opener says ties arent no votes, so I'm not sure how that would really work

I'm sure no one would flip and Wolves would've been able to nk again.

Actually if the even/odds theory for kill distribution is correct, then this makes a lot of sense as a failed stall play.

?_?

No flip > nk > next day?

Was more the confidence in there being no flip but I'll leave it I think

I mean it says specifically: ties will result in a no-elimination

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:21 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:20 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:18 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:17 pm Landlord WWA COULD have moved off Davis thinking a tie between themselves would cause a no yeet.

WWA only doubling down on the "Davos doesn't count" in regards to my behavior when that didn't work unexpectedly.

Opener says ties arent no votes, so I'm not sure how that would really work

I'm sure no one would flip and Wolves would've been able to nk again.

Actually if the even/odds theory for kill distribution is correct, then this makes a lot of sense as a failed stall play.

?_?

No flip > nk > next day?

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:19 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:18 pm I didn't think sock rules had standardization.

Most of the times socks are utilized as aliases for meta-less games.

Makes sense

Going off how Davos voted though, it seems their votes were either all town or at least all non-Landlord votes

I dont think they break that chain by voting WWA, especially if 1.) thats their potential host and 2.) that's potentially their final teammember

lol, Abigail was the only landlord around with Davos and that was like 1 cycle.

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:18 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:17 pm Landlord WWA COULD have moved off Davis thinking a tie between themselves would cause a no yeet.

WWA only doubling down on the "Davos doesn't count" in regards to my behavior when that didn't work unexpectedly.

Opener says ties arent no votes, so I'm not sure how that would really work

I'm sure no one would flip and Wolves would've been able to nk again.

Actually if the even/odds theory for kill distribution is correct, then this makes a lot of sense as a failed stall play.

I didn't think sock rules had standardization.

Most of the times socks are utilized as aliases for meta-less games.

Landlord WWA COULD have moved off Davis thinking a tie between themselves would cause a no yeet.

WWA only doubling down on the "Davos doesn't count" in regards to my behavior when that didn't work unexpectedly.

Actually idk. I keep talking myself in circles.

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:10 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:09 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:08 pm blink blink to Wilgy selfing uh

lol?

It's just because there was no unvote.

I had realized where my read of WWA was wrong.

?_?

how so?

I'm p sure the Davos flip indicates that one of you is final landlord lol

It's not me and I'm not sure WWA plays the way they do if so.

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:08 pm blink blink to Wilgy selfing uh

lol?

It's just because there was no unvote.

I had realized where my read of WWA was wrong.

I ha e come to a conclusion.

[VOTE: Delta] aubergine is the only slot where if they are town, we lose anyways.

I don't know what to make of Epi.

Epi having mechanical nonsense could be another explanation as to why Davos went over instead of WWA. Epi would've been one of the two I argued would be cool with the Nutella kill. Epi this day cycle has been VERY strange to me, like endgame shove strange going in on both Leetic and I, then shifting tone on Leetic immediately, and his suspicion of me over WWA being completely contrary to Epi has stated previously.

I guess I'm just not seeing towny progression and that makes alot of this day phase feel like end game opportunism.

If it's just 1 Arbiter and 1 landlord, I also think I vote in Epi/Delta as that gives us the best chance for a T/T/W split f3.

I don't think Delta is town and we've avoided the yeet on that slot for like 3 consecutive days.

There's an argument that this is eerily similar to 3p Delta.

In a vacuum, like without puppets or split, I think I vote in Epi/Delta as If WWA and a remaining player in west are arbiters, I just lose to that as well.

I think that I'm at the point where if it's Leetic, I just lose to that.

Yeah, I've kinda been dooming over the past hour.

I'm town, so is there a possibility WWA is town as well? Nutella kill AND distribution ignored, WWA's treatment of Davos doesn't line up with what I'd think a remaining landlord to do.

WWA could very well still be an Arbiter.

WWA's stances make sense from both Arbiter and Town perspective. I do think Arbiter WWA is more inclined to make the argument than Town WWA, as Town WWA would at least be aware that the threads are more uneven than we immediately presume. However, WWA has stated something similar enough to this.

If I go over and F3 retains a town, Arbiter and Landlord does it just come down to the Arbiter and Landlord trying to get each other?

If I go over and there are two Arbiters the game is toast right? However, I think the idea of two arbiters only works if there is a remaining Landlord.

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

No unvote and I feel dumb.

Yeah no, that checks out and from your perspective if Davos has to get connected to a living player it has to be me.

I don't know if you're forcing that concept to push me here, but it's not true.

I also don't know how to interpret it with you. Does Landlord WWA kill Nut risking themselves and the dummy? Yes. Does it make the "I'll take the +1 votes constantly, please resolve me" that occurred previously appear more preformatory. Yes. Does it seem like a lot of unnecessary effort from wolf when they COULD have just left nut alive and pushed in West to not cause a thunder dome? Yes.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:55 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:50 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:45 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:32 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:12 am I'm ngl, Wilgy's claim that my worldview is wrong kind of makes me think he actually isn't the landlord and I've caught him for the wrong reasons, and he's really the arbiter instead.

What are these wrong reasons?

That I've been pushing you all day as the landlord controlling Davos. I mean, your rebuttal to me was wolfy but sounded more like CFTWR actually. But I still don't believe Davos belonged to Brad.

Ok, but how are my responses wolfy?

You've stated that you think I killed Nut and bussed Davos when there was no real need, I've stated that I don't think you've done exactly that. My only real explanation for this is that your an Arbiter pushing for my yeet. Is there another explanation that gets there? Because from you, as town, I'd expect you to say "Wilgy has to be arbiter" but that was missed UNTIL I said that you should be thinking that.

Because your only real pushback on me is that my worldview is wrong. You're accusing me of being an Arbiter. Which is fine, I know I have weird interactions with the flipped arbiters and I don't really care. But I've been pushing that you're specifically a landlord because of the Davos flip, not because I'm an arbiter. I acknowledged only once today that you could be an arbiter, but I don't really believe that to be the case because it still doesn't explain Davos. I believe the hypotheticals you've been throwing around about Davos are all in an effort to unpartner you from the slot, because the flip incriminated you. I am the only one who's been floating around the notion that Davos probably didn't count toward parity, although I did think their vote still counted until I looked at the final vote count from yesterday again.

Yeah it should've been a 3-3 tie yesterday resulting in no yeet, making your thinking at least remotely plausible now.

Now I'm wondering if you went out of your way to set up this dome between you and I, but that would be so much effort when not needed.

Bleh.

No, you took an ability where Davos took nothing.

Mechanical fuckery it is then.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:48 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:40 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:36 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:14 pm I'm not Davos's puppet master.

Why would I push you for the same reason? I've already explained why I don't think you are landlord, do you suddenly expect me to change those thoughts after successfully hitting the landlord in East?

I didn't put effort into a case on you, you've basically all but said "I have to yeet Wilgy" and only Arbiter WWA would believe that as vehemently and upfront as you did.

Yes, I actually do believe it's suspicious that you're not reconsidering your view of me that I can't be a landlord. I see no reason why I should be looking elsewhere.

"Damn, why doesn't Wilgy think that I created a Landlord/Landlord/town state by killing Nutella and then alongside him lead the yeet of landlord Davos?"

And honestly the fact that you are pushing the thought that I did both of these things when that's so contrary to my own thinking is the best way for me to define your worldview as being borked.

Because I think something was weird with Davos's votes, and I don't believe they counted for parity.

As proof, let me remind you, yesterday when I unvoted, I put my own wagon ahead of Davos's. Epi swapped off of me and onto Davos, tying the wagons, and yet Davos flipped and I did not. I believe Davos's vote has been a bluff this entire time, and that's why we never saw them trying to save Brad or vote anywhere that was ever relevant. The landlords didn't want to give away that Davos's vote was fake.

Did either you or Davos take food yesterday?

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:45 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:32 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:12 am I'm ngl, Wilgy's claim that my worldview is wrong kind of makes me think he actually isn't the landlord and I've caught him for the wrong reasons, and he's really the arbiter instead.

What are these wrong reasons?

That I've been pushing you all day as the landlord controlling Davos. I mean, your rebuttal to me was wolfy but sounded more like CFTWR actually. But I still don't believe Davos belonged to Brad.

Ok, but how are my responses wolfy?

You've stated that you think I killed Nut and bussed Davos when there was no real need, I've stated that I don't think you've done exactly that. My only real explanation for this is that your an Arbiter pushing for my yeet. Is there another explanation that gets there? Because from you, as town, I'd expect you to say "Wilgy has to be arbiter" but that was missed UNTIL I said that you should be thinking that.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:42 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:21 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 7:31 pm I trust you and I trust leetic. Let's end this.

Epi's shifted view on me and WWA without much of anything here. This reeks.

I don't actually know why Epi trusts me now, considering he wrote an entire case on me earlier, but I don't think this post was scummy.

The post wasn't scummy, the entire shift in tone on you and I without much guts there

It's very much "let's take the path of least resistance" and honestly, I'm at the point where I'm like "is WWA and Epi pushing for the endgame yeet rn?" But that'd mean I'd need to assess Epi bussing and that's an entire can of worms.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:39 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:19 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 7:10 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 4:26 pm I don't see why the idea of Brad being Davos should be so easily discounted. After all, it has been shown twice that socks don't die at the same time as their owners. Doing the bare minimum to avoid spewing is something I would easily see Brad doing. Still, if there is a remaining landlord, that would suggest that the arbiters have some sort of ace up their sleeve or, worse, a fifth member. If it's the former, there's at least a 3/4 chance said ace is dead, and if it's the latter, town is kind of screwed here anyway unless we get very lucky with crossfire.

Because I believe the puppet would've died if its puppetmaster had flipped. I don't see enough evidence to believe that Brad has been controlling it.

Why?

If you are town, why are we assuming how things work as if this is the case you've been led astray by it.

But because of you shoving like this in, potential lylo mind you, with "I believe this made up information which may determine the game" I don't know how I'm supposed to see anything but agenda.

But we aren't in LyLo, isn't that announced? And even if it's LyLo, I'm betting the game on your flip. You can say it's agenda, you can say it's based on bad mechanics, I don't really care. I have a worldview and I'm not seeing anything currently to prove me wrong.

Is it? Idk, I'm in worst case scenario mode.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:36 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:14 pm I'm not Davos's puppet master.

Why would I push you for the same reason? I've already explained why I don't think you are landlord, do you suddenly expect me to change those thoughts after successfully hitting the landlord in East?

I didn't put effort into a case on you, you've basically all but said "I have to yeet Wilgy" and only Arbiter WWA would believe that as vehemently and upfront as you did.

Yes, I actually do believe it's suspicious that you're not reconsidering your view of me that I can't be a landlord. I see no reason why I should be looking elsewhere.

"Damn, why doesn't Wilgy think that I created a Landlord/Landlord/town state by killing Nutella and then alongside him lead the yeet of landlord Davos?"

And honestly the fact that you are pushing the thought that I did both of these things when that's so contrary to my own thinking is the best way for me to define your worldview as being borked.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:12 am I'm ngl, Wilgy's claim that my worldview is wrong kind of makes me think he actually isn't the landlord and I've caught him for the wrong reasons, and he's really the arbiter instead.

What are these wrong reasons?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 8:46 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 2:05 pm in addition to the constant argument that Cape being the only "player" that can see both threads feels more and more like mechanical opportunism,

What argument?

viewtopic.php?p=1107584#p1107584

This is confirmed by the hosts.

Aye, only player, but we are still pretending that we know how the socks operate. I'm not landlord and I'm about as sure as I can be that WWA has spewed arbiter.

Leetic's argument that a landlord has to be tied to Davos in thread very much came across as a means to keep only me and WWA in PoE. The Brad argument, at least makes more sense to what I know of my own alignment and seems to show that Leetics is considering other possibilities, in spite of me thinking that worrying about it too much is only going to lead us to a wolf favored lock.