The Syndicate

Black Rock!!! Long Con!!! Can Team Celia's name be changed to "The guys who were only able to kill Ubzergois temporarily?" because that's all we accomplished... I think it's fitting!!!

Ricochet wrote:OK then...I'm sorry if you already answered. I'll got through the linkitis after posting this.
Seeker of the Way - Wilgy
-- What was your epic challenge?
-- Who did you track N1 and what was the result?
-- Who did you track for BTSC on N2 and what was the result?
-- Whose alignment did you check on D/N4 and what was the result?
-- Who did you track for vote manipulation on D/N5 and what was the result?
-- Who did you track for BTSC on N6 and what was the result?

*Ghost Wilgy appears and strikes a pose!*
Gratzi Winners!!

--Epic challenge was to lynch 3 players that I had checked, that would lead towards a win for me. Highly doubted that I would receive that epic...
--I tracked Sorsha, and learned that Golden and Epi were switched. Also learned that Sorsha was the Master of Ancient Arts.
--I then tracked SVS because I had her bad in my mind. Got BTSC, but it felt damn near impossible to lynch her.
--Bubbles was unrecruited...
--I don't remember... Was a missed track though.
--Role Blocked -__-

All in all good game. MM, did you have remorse when I died? I was hoping you weren't bad, and if you were bad, I was hoping I could turn you away from the dark forces of evil.

Ricochet wrote:Shaman likes me the most.

Don't try to use your history against me! I'm clearly the best pick here. *Wilgy smirks and points his thumb to his face*

no, rez me!

Quite the night

Welcome back Rico!

@Hosts, can I have an unhappy smiley next to my name on the death list? *Bows* I appreciate your time and work.

May the dead play?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Scotty wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Long Con wrote:DharmaHelper was not lynched. It is now Night 6.
Dammit.

Long Con wrote:DharmaHelper was not killed by Ubzargan.
DAMMIT

I fucking hate that gif because it gets used on JTM all the time.

and it's all the GTF'rs fault... I thought I was safe here...

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Golden wrote:Thread lock is no reason to miss an important meal. Proper nutrition helps prevent physical and mental health issues.

3 proper meals a day keeps the Wilgys (doctors) away!

I was going to write something up for my own death, but Long Con, you have honored me greatly. Thanks!!!

A ghostly Wilgy appears with wings and a halo, "Bye friends! See you next time!" and flies after MP.

Wilgy runs back to his friends. "Everyone! I'm back!", he shouts with a big smile on his face.
I survived!! I don't know by what means, nor am I caught up yet. I was enjoying myself on a river toobing today! I'll try to figure out what's going on soon as I can!

Wilgy bows and thanks the gods of rice and agriculture.

Immunity sucks, Ububuzazayaya having a lynch switch sucks more. I think we are also more likely to catch Ubwahananer, so let's go with 3.

nutella wrote:DrWilgy seems to be using the defense of "why wouldn't I have defended Bubbles earlier" which sounds to me like the obvious set-up defense in the case that Bubbles was only recently recruited. There's a lot of WIFOMy stuff going on with regards to his defense of Bubbles but now that I'm actually looking at his posts I think it's enough for me to *vote DrWilgy*

I still don't know what WIFOM is

If Bubbles was only recently recruited that'd make my theory on day 5 recruitment correct yes? at least I'm right here.

Honestly I'm kinda sad, but it is what it is. I flubbed everyone. I'm sorry.

Scotty wrote:Wilgy, for the record, if you flip civ or unrecruited, I apologize profusely and take full credit for mislynching you.
I just don't think that is the case right here.

You better! Take care of everyone for me, OK Scotty? Avenge me, and avenge Unfurl for me. It was fun while it lasted. Keep an eye on MM for me, he is a good friend. It's sad I gotta leave him behind again. 15 min left... One last greentext

Wilgy sees his friends standing before him. He smiles and apologizes one by one to each and everyone of them. He hands them each a sealed note. He hands BWT his penguin suit, BWT realizes who the penguin was the other day, but can do nothing other than stand there in awe. Wilgy picks up his backpack and heads for the front door. He smiles as he looks back one final time, waving with a backwards hand. He looks forward, drops his hand and walks into the distance.

Scotty wrote:I'm keeping my vote on Wilgy, since I'm still not satisfied with his responses. Like this one:
DrWilgy wrote: So, go ahead and inquiry away my friend! I don't appreciate inquiry on things I've stated previous It never made sense for TB to kill Unfurl. That was the premise of my argument. Killing of Unfurl happened between these two posts. Being OK with the TinyBubbles lynch was indifference. I had no strong reads on her, positive or negative.

How is this unsatisfactory? Do tell? If you want me to explain my indifference, It's because I hadn't looked into her at the time. I stated that the players of interest were Dom, SVS, Unfurl, and Boomslang. I didn't have any real interest outside of that and voted for SVS, but I wasn't willing to protect TinyBubbles at the time.

I have a question for everyone that thinks I'm dirty. Why did I not defend TinyBubbles the first time she was up to be lynched if she was on my team? If I planned to defend her as hard as I did day 4, why wouldn't I set up for that day 5? Why didn't I defend her day 4? What sense does that make going all out as I did?

I still admit that I flubbed, I suppose if I die for this you'll at least be able to believe me after I flip. After me, please lynch SVS, Llama, possibly Tranq and bea. I still believe I wasn't wrong about my day 5 recruitment theory, but I suppose that's my ego at work. Also, I'm still confused about Sorsha. I wanted to but didn't have time to look into Rico's death. It'd be sly as hell though, if a baddie killed his own teammate and then used another teammate to rez him and somewhat clear him.
Wilgy looks at his friends, gives MM a hug, puts a coin into the kiddie ride in the mall, and hops on board yelling "weeeee!" Everyone is still confused about what to do with Wilgy.

Bullzeye wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:It goes back to my recruitment theory, I still believe TinyBubbles was recruited after Unfurl's death, be it accident or not. It was an easy way to keep the lynch on TinyBubbles while she wasn't on the team of Ubzolygon.
That'd be one hell of a coincidence. Stranger things have probably happened but that'd be right up there.

DrWilgy wrote:Yes, because I was tired of framing. I also expressed this earlier. I looked at the play, and I saw a pattern. With what we had, TinyBubbles seemed like an easy set up for a frame.
Sorry but this just doesn't ring true with me.

Bullzeye wrote:
DrWilgy wrote: Explanations of me being busy wasn't in green...
Then it must have been in a color I'm apparently completely blind to because I've even just gone back through your posts and other than committing crimes against humanity on your own family members (and then tutoring them) I genuinely haven't seen anything. Sorry

DrWilgy wrote:I was drunk for half of that... I did want to pressure Sorsha though, I felt inclined to after her post on framing. My fear for Unfurl being bad was triggered by something she had said, not her vote.
I have had three cans of Scrumpy (because I'm classy) in the course of my read-throughs this evening. I'm not begging anyone to vote you The Sorsha/Unfurl thing is kinda minimal regardless.

DrWilgy wrote:Read my responses to Scotty.

In regards to me voting SVS, there's smores than that. I've repeated myself too many times to care and or go through it anymore. Nothing SVS has said has convinced me that she isn't bad like I first thought, so I see no need to change my thoughts here. Do look over what I've had to say though.

I miss JJJ, and his wonderful ISO's.
I have read your responses to Scotty. They didn't convince me.

These bits in particular were very unconvincing:
Because lynching someone I believe to be neutral or civ is wrong. If I see and believe that we are about to kill a neutral or civ, I will defend them. Similarly, so everyone knows i'm not talking out of my ass, I stated that I would use my vote to save Golden (which ended up failing). The difference between day 4 and day 5? Unfurl's death. I explained it many times, but I still think, Unfurl's death was meant to frame Bubbles. It didn't sit right with me, it also didn't sit right with me how no one would defend Bubbles, so I thought there had to be something wrong.
I also said I'd have tried to save Golden. We're not alone in that. Not a unique train of thought by any means. You posted this night 5, so Bubbles was already dead. How can you say you still think Unfurl's death was a frame? It goes back to my recruitment theory, I still believe TinyBubbles was recruited after Unfurl's death, be it accident or not. It was an easy way to keep the lynch on TinyBubbles while she wasn't on the team of Ubzolygon. Also you weren't alone defending Bubbles, you were just one of the least subtle.

I don't think I can express the fact that I thought she was neutral any harder. Why would I allow a neutral die, over someone I thought to be a baddie?
There's thinking one case is not as good as another and then there's going to great effort to defend another player. One looks more suspicious than the other, especially when it turns out you've defended a baddie.Yes, because I was tired of framing. I also expressed this earlier. I looked at the play, and I saw a pattern. With what we had, TinyBubbles seemed like an easy set up for a frame.

DrWilgy wrote:I miss JJJ, and his wonderful ISO's.

I just had an Idea... A theory! but I need to know rules first. If JJJ was silenced, would that appear in the write up?

Bullzeye wrote:
DrWilgy

Gonna just cut to the chase here, Wilgy is #1 contender for my vote today. In the interest of fairness, I'll look at his posts by themselves and evaluate him, but I think through reading other people's posts already I know what I think of him. Fairly zany of a player, it's definitely fun to read back over him. He was pretty quiet up until day 3 - literally the first of his four pages of post span day 0-3. Does anyone who knows Wilgy's style think that might mean something? Sorry if I missed a legit explanation like him having been busy, I skimmed most of the green after a while tbh.

Started day 4 by saying he'd be voting Sorsha and here's where things get interesting. He never really seemed to make a case on Sorsha, or at least I don't see one anywhere around the time of his vote but he does ask MM & Unfurl to "help" him by voting for her. Then seemingly changes his mind and flips to Boom, calling him a comfortable placeholder. Says he was surprised where the Sorshawagon came from and acts surprised at Unfurl's vote for her despite the fact he himself had asked her to vote Sorsha.

On day 5 one of his first comments is to call the idea of a Bubbles lynch "dumb". Then he goes on the defensive for her, and says he chose to defend her because he didn't believe anyone else would (I would argue TH did too). Why so invested? If you're neutral it literally doesn't matter and it's not like Bubbles was an innocent who people jumped on for no reason. If you're not neutral and she's not on your team then again... why? Furthermore, if this is an accurate portrayal of his case on SVS then it's the biggest chunk of bullsuit we've seen all game. Do bulls have a relative that's impressively larger? Because that's what this is the suit of:

DrWilgy wrote:
timmer wrote:So Doc, talk to me about your vote on SVS. What's your reasoning? I caught DH's thoughts, but I don't recall yours.
I'm not going to type out everything again, here's the short and simple version.
1. Past history shows SVS has a thing for being a baddie
2. SVS was one of the leaders in lynching Golden
3. SVS was one of the players who survived day 1, meaning they had immunity (Ububuzagoon)
FWIW I think we're seeing Good-SVS here and won't be NO Uing her any time soon. But that's not the current topic. Regardless only one of these points is relevant. #1 means nothing and #3 could at best be described as clutching at straws. As I understood it the lynch was just completely stopped, and it didn't matter who had how many votes. I could be wrong, that is a thing that happens from time to time. Anyway, I don't think it's unfair to call Wilgy Bubbles' biggest defender. He gets 8/10 suspicion points (while nobody is getting 0, nobody is gonna get 10 either) and *My Vote is also going to Dr Wilgy*, at least for now.

Oh good, now I come to some of the highest posters in the game, and they've all made a lot of posts as well!

Explanations of me being busy wasn't in green...

I was drunk for half of that... I did want to pressure Sorsha though, I felt inclined to after her post on framing. My fear for Unfurl being bad was triggered by something she had said, not her vote.

Read my responses to Scotty.

In regards to me voting SVS, there's smores than that. I've repeated myself too many times to care and or go through it anymore. Nothing SVS has said has convinced me that she isn't bad like I first thought, so I see no need to change my thoughts here. Do look over what I've had to say though.

I miss JJJ, and his wonderful ISO's.

S~V~S wrote:Wilgy, if you could do me a favor (I have asked other people in other games to do this as well, I am not picking on you or anything) I would appreciate it if you could stop changing your avatar so much. When I am looking for someones posts, that is how I identify whose posts i am looking for skimming down the thread. If people keep changing their avatar, it makes things harder for me to follow as I am a pretty visual person. Thank You for understanding

*bows* I will refrain from changing my avatar for the remainder of the game

Roxy wrote:Dr W - only bc I think he would make a great recruit and his posts have adifferent feel than they did in the beginning of the game.

It's been the move! I got work sorted out today... so paychecks! I'm happy you think I'd make a great recruit though!

Hey Scotty, I'm gonna respond in another copy paste type fashion!
"Yes, of course they're for a reason

, but who knows when Black Rock gets time out her schedule to post what she needs to post?"
-I would hopefully assume that it's accurate, for game integrity. Do you know different or have reason to assume different?

"Being sympathetic is one thing, and being strategically sympathetic is another. I have a theory. Within human societal context. My theory is that no one is completely selfless. There is always a measure of selfishness in a decision or thought to do something. Altruism is an ideal, but not a reality. I used to regularly give homeless people on the street in NY food or change when I was feeling generous and bright-eyed and bushy-tailed in the early years that I lived here. I don't do that anymore, because I'm constantly on the verge of being there myself hahahahahahaa

But. Every time I did so, I thought, 'wow, I'm being really charitable right now. I'm a pretty nice dude!' In retrospect, I fail to see how that is altruistic. It makes me feel better about myself, even if the thought is charitable and kind. So I ask you, what did you hope to gain from being sympathetic with her?"
-I'm sorry for your idealism Scotty, and I think this is something that we just disagree on. I'll give you some back story though, hopefully it can change what you believe in me. My favorite game is FF9, I talk about it all the time, I have even had two of my avatars be FF9 related in the short time that I've been here. Here is a screenshot from the game, which features a main character and his "theme"

It should be clear that this game has impacted me and everything I do. I felt like doing what I thought to be the right thing, that's all. Sigh... Real talk in a game of mafia.

"It's that it was very precise defending. It made sense from a bystander level of someone that took stock of your surroundings. You made sure to cover your tracks, and the time stamps don't look bad for you if you assume BR posted at the exact moment of recruitment. I'm saying you could have known for -who knows how long- before that that you were recruited, and had a good alibi to back you up by looking at presumed timing."
-I don't think I can create an alibi, I had no knowledge of BR typing a post. Based upon what you had said and your theory, saw the new teammate and wrote and submitted that entire post, with only a 6 min difference of BR typing out the recruitment post. Would I have written out a post that long only to throw it away had BR posted 6 min earlier? Forcibly creating an alibi based on what the hosts do seems damn near impossible from a logical perspective, so why would I try?

"Well it was 1 hour and 23 minutes after to be precise, but you missed the main idea of this point in that she literally didn't post from Friday Aug 28th @ 2p- with her responses before her absence of basically "guysss, I don't like arguments or confrontations." as her initial defense- to Sunday Aug 30th @ 12:56a where she says she is "happy to address questions". I know this doesn't do much to shed light on your decisions, since she's already dead and gone, but this didn't read to most of the rest of the crowd as a person that was on the civ side, and was a good bet to be bad."
-You are correct, I didn't see this pattern
"You did that to yourself for defending her so avidly. I don't think TinyBubbles was thinking about framing anyone."
-You are also correct here... I made the mistake in judging her, but in a scenario where I had the same judgement I would've defended her again.
"From my viewpoint, it's something like this, replacing the material, of course: "
-First off, that video is still funny. Secondly, I began defending myself heavily and prematurely because it was obvious that this implicates me. Only a fool would think otherwise. I thought what I was doing was right. I flubbed, but I'm willing to fix what I can.

Tranq, I'd appreciate it if you responded to my response to you. I commented and you didn't say anything about it. Otherwise your vote looks somewhat like a "Just because" vote.

Boomslang wrote:Well, I think I'm going to vote Dr Wilgy. I feel like I made some good points on him, I feel vindicated by llama's own suspicion, and I saw him creeping around last night without addressing any of the arguments made against him. *votes Dr Wilgy*

With that out of the way, I want to say TH's vote for me feels really lazy, and I'm frankly annoyed by it.

Turnip Head wrote:
If you're interested, check out his posts - I didn't even read all 35 (!?) of them, I started at Day 4 with his first (and only) mention of Bubbles and worked up to the present.

Any case I make would essentially just be quoting his Day 4 - present posts and summarizing them.
First, with that sly little (!?), he's criticizing the number of my posts and not their content/quality. I could easily add another 30 to 40 posts, TH, if (like you) I included OT jokes and RIPs after every lynch/NK. Second, and more importantly, quoting and summarizing my posts is not making a case. A case involves interpretation or analysis. You take your suspicions as self-evident, and that shouldn't be acceptable in this game.

Addressing Bullz:
1. I admit that the "am I bad or just stupid" quip sounds bad. Honestly, I was just frustrated at that point by dealing with what I regarded as irrelevant logical minutiae, and you have to read that quote in the context of the whole discussion, where JJJ is picking more nits than a pack of chimpanzees.
2. My Lorab vote was weak, but not entirely throwaway. I hadn't had time to consider the TinyBubbles case, and I had given time to the Lorab/Rico thing. What pinged me most was the abrupt switch of Lorab's target from TH to Rico and the way she seemed to be targeting playstyle instead of more concrete evidence. My vote was an attempt to bring attention to those points.

Response from... errr... earlier?

DrSexy wrote:Oh boy... I'll sort through your messages in the morning Scotty

I implied that I was busy, work, plus homework, plus unboxing all my junk from my move. Also, Llama's suspicion is what convinced you? the suspicion that he had all along on TB, but didn't vote for when it actually mattered? (btw good points Daisy)

Boomslang wrote:Notes on selected members of Llama's List (TM), regarding my assessment of their possible teamwork with bubbles:

Bea - Unlikely. She cast doubt on bubbles with a pretty substantial post from Day 3, then casts a vote that way on Day 4.

DrWilgy - Quite possible. What pings me the most is this combination of posts:
From Day 4:
DrWilgy wrote:
Ricochet wrote:*side-note to this: does Wilgy have any opinion on other players who also failed to save Golden (such as MP) or is Sorsha the only player you noticed?
The only other players I'm interested at this point are SVS, Unfurl, Sorsha, and Dom...
Followed by this from Day 5:
DrWilgy wrote:I was actually OK with the TinyBubbles lynch a day ago, but I honestly don't believe bubbles and Ubzargan being on the same team.

So, go ahead and inquiry away my friend! I don't appreciate inquiry on things I've stated previous

It never made sense for TB to kill Unfurl. That was the premise of my argument. Killing of Unfurl happened between these two posts. Being OK with the TinyBubbles lynch was indifference. I had no strong reads on her, positive or negative.

Llama rebuttals!

thellama73 wrote:I'm starting to wonder about DrWilgy. I haven't played with him before and up to now he's escaped my notice, but he begged us not to vote for TinyBubbles, and his vote for SVS is based on disagreeing with her logic, not genuine suspicion.

Woah, hold up! Wilgy holds up a big stop sign, Jack black can be seen in the distance pointing at it. Disagreements in logic isn't genuine suspicion? Logic doesn't lead to genuine suspicion? Genuine suspicion isn't caused by logic? Wat? If there's something you don't understand quote me for it, but this makes absolutely no sense Llama.

thellama73 wrote:ALl right, I'm headed out the door. I've decided to place my vote on Wilgy at the moment. I think his votes for SVS have been easy and safe, and I don't like the way he defended Bubbles (while she never mentioned him). will check back in on my phone later and may change it.

Was TB was easy and safe? how is voting for SVS was easy and safe? Do you honestly think I'm trying to play a safe game here?
Players have already disagreed with me on SVS, but I still feel that she is running the game here. If she is running the game, and the one baddie we managed to lynch was one that she didn't even vote for I'll still hold my suspicion on her to be true.

I'll tackle anything else soon-ish, I'm still busy.

Scotty wrote:Responses in red
DrWilgy wrote:I'll respond within the quote this time!
Tranq wrote:
I'm putting a vote on DrWilgy for now. A couple of things have been bothering me.

- Early in the game he had that odd hate/love relationship with unfurl. I wouldn't be surprised if that's why the lynch got switched to her. So he could make that "Will you help me avenge Unfurl?" post while also bringing up the "it makes no sense for Bubbles to kill unfurl" argument.
Love hate relationship? You obviously Haven't been reading my greentext...that is also unrelated to the game on most levels. One thing that is true though, is that MM and Unfurl were and are my friends. MM and I recently played a game together and I enjoyed his style. I accused Unfurl early based upon philosophy and regretted it, so I wanted to be a good friend and make it up to her. Also, it making no sense for Bubbles to kill Unfurl is still a relevant and logical argument that was unrelated to me wanting to avenge her.
Let it also be known that you were on a MAFIA team with MM in the last game you played with him. I really don't know why you guys are so blatantly friendly in this game as well.

Oh boy... I'll sort through your messages in the morning Scotty, I hope you don't mind waiting abit. I would reccomend moving the vote off me though... In regards to MM, yes we were both mafia, but that doesn't change my enjoyment of him as a person. What is the harm in being friendly with your friends?

Wilgy waddles over towards Scotty, bows in thanks, then waddles back home.

Wilgy, still in a penguin suit, dismounts BWT and waddles towards the sunset. On top of a oceanside cliff, the man in the penguin suit stands staring towards the setting sun. Waves can be heard crashing below, gulls can be heard soaring through the sky. The wind picks up and a beach breeze blows some mist and the smell of salt into the air. The sun reflecting off the mist, looks like hundreds of stars floating in the air. Wilgy turns away from the sun and puts both of his penguin wings to his face in an excited manner, the penguins expression even changes to that of panic...
What are bea and Boomslang doing as well!?!?

Wilgy puts on a penguin suit and begins to waddle around town. He gives hugs to all the cutie-patooties he encounters until he happens to stumble upon BWT walking the streets. The man in the penguin costume runs to BWT and tackles him with a hug. The penguin looks into BWT's eyes and wonders...
What is Synonym doing... ?

I'll respond within the quote this time!

Tranq wrote:I've been trying to figure out the switch to unfurl.

- Ubzargan wanted to get rid of unfurl
- Ubzargan wanted to get rid of unfurl's role: the Technohacker

The Technohacker is not a very dangerous role. Except for maybe one position:
Position 4: Knows how many non-voters are evilly-aligned in the previous lynch

The only thing i can come up with is maybe Ubzargan knew unfurl's role, knew atleast 1 teammate would certainly miss the vote, anticipated Position 4 would be picked next as that was the only one that hadn't been used yet, and decided to switch the lynch to her for that reason. The players that missed the Bubbles-unfurl lynch-switch-vote are Bass2.0, reywaS, Roxy and TH.

I'm putting a vote on DrWilgy for now. A couple of things have been bothering me.

- Early in the game he had that odd hate/love relationship with unfurl. I wouldn't be surprised if that's why the lynch got switched to her. So he could make that "Will you help me avenge Unfurl?" post while also bringing up the "it makes no sense for Bubbles to kill unfurl" argument.
Love hate relationship? You obviously Haven't been reading my greentext...that is also unrelated to the game on most levels. One thing that is true though, is that MM and Unfurl were and are my friends. MM and I recently played a game together and I enjoyed his style. I accused Unfurl early based upon philosophy and regretted it, so I wanted to be a good friend and make it up to her. Also, it making no sense for Bubbles to kill Unfurl is still a relevant and logical argument that was unrelated to me wanting to avenge her.

- His wanting to lynch Timmer who i think has been playing his typical neutral self.
- The post he made discussing Timmer here:
Tranq wrote:
DrWilgy wrote: Still being obsessed with teams is my trigger, hopping on the TinyBubbles boat so quickly without providing anything that hasn't been said already is also my trigger (especially since I'm pretty sure TinyBubbles is neutral).
This reads like timmer's neutral play to me. What's wrong with being obsessed with teams?
Again, what's wrong with being obsessed with teams? Well, a player already on a team wouldn't be obsessed with that anymore.
Yes, but I didn't know timmer before this. I read through (skimmed at least) RM3 and changed my vote. It was a difference of ideals, and from how I've been posting and from who I've accused of being bad, you should be able to tell those ideals of mine affect my gameplay. In regards to team obsession, I believe there's a difference between intrest and obsession. Obsession (which I commonly relate to baddie behavior) seems forced and normally doesn't lead anywhere, while intrest is genuine and promotes discussion.

- The poison post 2 posts 4 posts above this one. More wifom
Ok... I'm going to admit something here because I've been trying to use context to figure it out... What does WIFOM mean? And what's wrong with trying to wake up a dead thread?

- Night 4, after Bubbles' switch:
DrWilgy wrote:Don't vote for position 1 or 3. We don't want to give lynch immunity tomorrow.
Night 5, after Bubbles' death: I'm pretty sure i saw him voting position 1 but i cannot confirm without the screencap. Why the change of heart? Ubzargan would want position 1 today, especially if he got heavily involved in the Bubbles stuff. If i misremembered, ignore this last point
Ignoring

I hope I've addressed all concerns.

I have a game! Who do you think was poisoned?

￦ilgy yawns and stretches was he wakes up from bed. He wipes some crust away from his eye as he turns out of his bed and begins to walk out of the room. He goes to the kitchen and checks his phone. No new messages. Things haven't been the same since Unfurl and the others died. Wilgy misses his friends...

MM, how are you today, and what are your thoughts on why those players died?

I'm going to try to find out why they chose to kill Rico, until I report back, I'll leave my vote on SVS.

So... I finished my move today

Happy with my new home. It's cozy. JJJ, you still got my ISO coming up? I'm very interested in your views on me.

Golden killed Epi

Yo! Scotty, clam down buddy, It's still night time

Ok, time to get out the grease and do some debunking. Going through your post and quoting properly sounds like a nightmare, so I'll just copy paste stuff and respond.

"We don't know exactly when Uzbeethoven recruited, but we can assume it was some time in that time frame."
-are we to assume that the time of the hosts post was not the same time of the recruitment? I thought they were posted for a reason.

"I imagine Wilgy running out into the street with his pants around his ankles shouting that he found Narnia. "
-and it was beautiful.

"This is probably tin-foiling, but my highlighted line there is equally apt when comparing it to dead Bubbles' recent post explaining that she was, in fact, emotionally invested in this game. My feeling is that she lamented of this fact in chat, and her teammates would know of this. DrWilgy, perhaps, is echoing this sentiment since it was based in reality."
-or maybe I'm sympathetic, and I feel that gauging someones emotional limit is wrong.

"He then does a long response to timmer's philosophy, and really lays it on. Attempting to distance from a Bubbles lynch."
-Does this not match anything I've done previous? Unfurl was one of my earliest votes this game because her philosophy is in disagreement with my own. Exploring more options, opening discussion, and trying to solve this game by becoming involved with other players isn't distancing oneself from a lynch, It's playing mafia.

"Nice catch of phrasing there at the end."
-Autocorrect is a dirty dirty girl, and I wasn't dancing around the point that I was defending Bubbles. It's obvious that I was, phrasing of what I did is irrelevant here, because we could all see that.

"But why defend her at all? What changed from Day 4 to Day 5 that would make you see her in a different light?
Ah...there it is. Very...convenient timing, wouldn't you say?

"
-Because lynching someone I believe to be neutral or civ is wrong. If I see and believe that we are about to kill a neutral or civ, I will defend them. Similarly, so everyone knows i'm not talking out of my ass, I stated that I would use my vote to save Golden (which ended up failing). The difference between day 4 and day 5? Unfurl's death. I explained it many times, but I still think, Unfurl's death was meant to frame Bubbles. It didn't sit right with me, it also didn't sit right with me how no one would defend Bubbles, so I thought there had to be something wrong.

"Actually, if you look at the positions, position 1 is the the strongest position for him, since he can't die. We knew that position 2 was a bad position, so that's not news."
-I disagree with your opinions on what is the strongest. In position 2, he can't dye via lynch, and he uses our strength against us.

"Why is he defending her so hard? Even if he were civ-minded, come on man, it's 4 hours til lynch. What does he have to lose by just letting it slide. Also, would an unrecruited player be defending her this hard?"
-I don't think I can express the fact that I thought she was neutral any harder. Why would I allow a neutral die, over someone I thought to be a baddie?

"She had not really defended herself even before that point. That's what made her appear, and reveal to be, so scummy.
You are assuming that Umbreon had no other powers messing around with the night kill. Also, if you don't believe she was
We don't know exactly when she was recruited, that's just when BR posted the recruitment. Also, you sure are backtracking with these timestamps. VERY guilty, my man.
Also:
a) TinyBubbles had been posting the same way, in chunky schedules all game. If you recall she went almost an entire day not defending herself on Day 4, only to show up immediately after her mis-lynch to apply some lipstick and go "oh, that was weird."
b) why on earth would she care about setting you up? If she were a goner anyway, what purpose would that achieve?
c) you're putting so much effort into the time stamps, that, again, it drips with guilt."
-Her defense was her explaining that she didn't know what was happening, what made her appear is that people didn't believe it was genuine. No, I don't believe that there were other powers messing with the lynching, not night kill, and there's no evidence to make me believe different. Are you to assume that the Host wouldn't tell us of recruitment the time of recruitment? That wouldn't make sense. What's wrong with backtracking with timestamps? You've done the same thing right here. Timestamps help prove a point by supplying a logical time frame.
a) 2 hours is not immediately
b) Getting a mislynch on me. Which is still good for their team.
c) how so?

"'I posted her defense 6 min before the day 5 recruitment (and that's not including the time it took to write it).'
How specific. Is this the same defense you mentioned you didn't have time to write in a post 3 hours and 25 minutes before?"
-yes, I don't understand what you are reaching for Scotty. How is my use of time incorrect or scummy?

"And at the end of your [slightly unwarranted and manic] defense, you start putting the blame on SVS.

Let's say you for a second that you meant well, you're unrecruited/civ, just trying to be the keeper of the peace. You see some good in Bubbles, all before she turns baddie in Day 5. Let's say your theory is correct, you think she's genuine, hindsight is 20/20..a good chunk of people suspected her enough to vote her Day 4 (even you say you were suspicious) and 16 people didn't like her enough to not vote her. You felt like being the knight in shining armor, just in case she was good.

All of this doesn't answer the resounding question: IF YOU ARE UNRECRUITED OR CIV, WHAT COULD YOU POSSIBLY GAIN BY DEFENDING HER SO HARD?"
-A lynch on a baddie, instead of an unrecruited. I will always baddie hunt. A mislynch on both a civ and and unrecruited are bad, and we have discussed this before. Some players were even wanting to lynch others because of this philosophy. I don't plan on sitting back while I see something bad happening.

S~V~S wrote:I did not respond to it since I had already responded to the shorthand version, plus I saw a statement here, not a question. You have not been voting for me for "a while now" you voted for me two lynches ago, and had your vote on Timmer most of the past day until DH asked you to switch it.

This game is NOT an open choice environment. And I don't think my preference for being a baddie is a secret from anyone here. If "liking being bad" is criteria for being bad in any given game, I would be screwed EVERY game. It is so well known that I like being bad that I actually think I would be a liability for a baddie recruiter, like I was in RM# when I was recruited by Reywas. I was taking suspicion from both Epi & DH from fairly early in the game. So take what you will about my current recruitment status from that.

And re Golden, that is how I tend to Mafia. I see something I suspect and I go pretty hard after them.

As for your other thoughts, I am sorry that Unfurl died. Other than Roxy I am probably the last person here to kill Unfurl. She is a gentle presence, and I think we need more of her, not less of her.

And had I been bad, and known Bubbles was gonna flip bad, i would have voted her, and I would have voted hella earlier than I did, as would, I think, pretty much anyone else playing, so this is not really WIFOM territory.

Linki @ Roxy, yeah I noticed that too. But why would she make herself come up as bad?

Open recruitment means this is an open choice environment... Players have the choice to choose who they submit entries to.

And now that I've completely boned my packing schedule...

Black Rock wrote:
Public Announcement

Ubzargan has recruited!

Found what I needed! <3 The most recent recruit was at 7:59 on the 31st.

Ok, some theorems as to what happened:
1. Bubbles was bad from before day 4. This means that bubbles took some heat, was saved by a teammate, took part in killing someone who suspected her, received more heat, failed in a defense, and then gave up. Possibly because she ran out of things to defend herself with.
2. Bubbles was recruited during day 5. This means that bubbles took heat, was saved by a non-teammate, was framed for killing someone who suspected her, received more heat, failed in a defense, submitted for a contest to be recruited, was recruited, took a fall for the team.

So, it should be clear that I don't believe in theory 1. If theory 1 is true, then I was completely played a fool. It doesn't make sense to me for Ubooboo to kill Unfurl if Bubbles was a team mate before day 5, due to that implicating Bubbles even more so.

Theory 2 is what I propose actually happened. If you pay attention to the timing of the recruitment day 5 it makes sense. It would also explain why Bubbles didn't respond all day, she was just added to a team. Hence she appeared and spoke to us from beyond the grave the moment the day resolved. this would make sense if Bubbles didn't want to spew that she was recruited, so she chose silence over anything worse. This is reflective of her later more emotional posts, and how they were much more volatile... And her being recruited at 7:59 also explains why she would let me take the fall defending her, instead of her defending herself. I posted her defense 6 min before the day 5 recruitment (and that's not including the time it took to write it). I actively gave her no reason to respond... I'm sorry everyone I almost screwed everything up.

Now, something here that's interesting that I noticed trying to piece this puzzle together.

S~V~S wrote:I held my vote until I was sure I would not need it to defend. I am not as sure about Bubbles as are some, Wilgys extreme desire to save her almost made me vote for her, but i will stick to my own suspicion and vote Sorsha.

I would like to point out that it contradicts this previous post,

S~V~S wrote:I read some of Bubbles posts in other games, and I was like *meh* about her being bad. Anything is possible, but she sounds about the same in those games as she does here. Although i disagree with him on Timmer, I do tend to agree with Wilgy on Bubbles.

If anyone is trying to tread lightly around Bubbles, It was SVS.

Maybe I'm stretching here, but maybe the real reason SVS held her vote was to see if my defense on her teammate would work or not. It kinda makes sense, considering she had to wait to see who her teammate was as well as following my defense.

Last thing to point out, SVS, why did you ignore this?

Spoiler: show

I don't know how I keep managing to do that.

Black Rock wrote:
Official Announcement

I forgot to announce that the recruitment challenge was over some time ago...

When exactly did the recruitment challenge end?

Black Rock wrote:
Official Announcement

I forgot to announce that the recruitment challenge was over some time ago...

When exactly did the recruitment challenge end?

bea wrote:I'm not gonna lie. I'm happy no one is talking about Mr but it worries me too. I have played so badly. Why given my vote misses etc aren't I a point of conversation?

because you are 3cute5me?

timmer wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
timmer wrote:Bea, no one in this game sucks. Well, maybe DP. But not you.
...You forgot someone timmer.
Oh God, we're not hopping on the Pity Train, are we?

Nope, I just wanted to see how you'd respond

Wilgy stands up and stretches with both hands over head smiling. There's a fire in his eyes.

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a tiny bit mad, but don't expect me to step out of the fray like some others did.

I have some points I'd like to make before I'd go to bed, so expect that out of me, but tomorrow I'll be moving so If I don't respond that's why.

timmer wrote:Bea, no one in this game sucks. Well, maybe DP. But not you.

...You forgot someone timmer.

DrWilgy wrote:
timmer wrote:@Wilgy, I'm not sure I agree with your stance on unfurl/Bubbles. I'm not saying you are necessarily wrong, but that you are tuned in too heavily on one possibility.

Looking back, we were in position 2, so yes, Ubzargan had a lynch switch to use. So yes, it seems likely that he caused unfurl's death. But it's to what END where I am not sure you are right.
But Timmer, I'm never wrong.

Wait... Can't we just get everyone to say, "I'm afflicted by Hunger?" to find out who it is?

DharmaHelper wrote:Lets see some lynch fuckery.

#savethebubbles

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:DrWilgy, do you have any thoughts on what I said about TH? I'm hoping for a little feedback before I have to go to sleep -- right when this day ends pretty much.
TurnipHead is a fellow Turnip and my kinsman. He's not bad.

Nah, I haven't looked too heavily into TurnipHead yet, I'll do that and read your ISO, but I doubt I can get back to you in time. Do an ISO on me next JJJ!
No rush, I know it's huge. If I ISO you, what sort of skeletons might I find in the DrCloset?

...my porn stash...

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:DrWilgy, do you have any thoughts on what I said about TH? I'm hoping for a little feedback before I have to go to sleep -- right when this day ends pretty much.

TurnipHead is a fellow Turnip and my kinsman. He's not bad.

Nah, I haven't looked too heavily into TurnipHead yet, I'll do that and read your ISO, but I doubt I can get back to you in time. Do an ISO on me next JJJ!

JJJ, are you bad?

OH! before I dissapear, SYNONYM!!! Where are you? have you solved the game yet?

If not he's bad and we should lynch him...

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
timmer wrote:So Doc, talk to me about your vote on SVS. What's your reasoning? I caught DH's thoughts, but I don't recall yours.
I'm not going to type out everything again, here's the short and simple version.
1. Past history shows SVS has a thing for being a baddie
2. SVS was one of the leaders in lynching Golden
3. SVS was one of the players who survived day 1, meaning they had immunity (Ububuzagoon)
I also survived past Day 1. So did you. Have a cookie.

Ooh! is it chocolate chip!?! I will treasure this gift forever my friend!

S~V~S wrote:So you think BR made me a baddie recruiter becasue I would like it? Whether I have a "thing" for being a baddie has no bearing on role assignment. One & Three don't go together.

You're just stringing stuff together, when your attempt to save Bubbles with your Timmer suspicions did not fly, you jumped onto DHs post.

SVS, that doesn't make sense, I've been voting for you for awhile now. I didn't list 1 and 3 as cause and effect, I listed it as possibilities. Your pursuit of Golden is what throws me for aloop the most. I agree with what Rico said.

timmer wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Day one there was a 12 or 13 player tie I think.
Oh that?

Wilgy, so your case is three points, one of which is that SVS likes being bad (WTF?) and one of which is that she is one of a ton of people who didn't die from a hugely tied lynch? And this is because you assume one of them was Ubby? What about Terras protecting all Guardians that day?

If that's your case, I'm moving' on, sorry dude.

Uggg... Timmer, I have stated previous the conditions for my vote and didn't want to go through it again. Her pursuit of Golden didn't feel genuine when I read it. I didn't have time to quote everything at the time, due to working on house renovations. Your WTF would be understandable if I hadn't already spoken about SVS being SK in a open role choice environment. I don't assume one of them is Ububudoo, but the possibility is there and we shouldn't forget that. Statistic wise, if we go after a Golden hounder, she's our best choice.

I'm currently packing for the move tomorrow, so I don't have alot of time left for mafia today, nor will I tomorrow. I'll chime in when I get the chance.

timmer wrote:So Doc, talk to me about your vote on SVS. What's your reasoning? I caught DH's thoughts, but I don't recall yours.

I'm not going to type out everything again, here's the short and simple version.
1. Past history shows SVS has a thing for being a baddie
2. SVS was one of the leaders in lynching Golden
3. SVS was one of the players who survived day 1, meaning they had immunity (Ububuzagoon)

Double post. My bad.

timmer wrote:
DrWilgy wrote: But Timmer, I'm never wrong.

Yes, really.

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