The Syndicate

When do sign ups for the next one start? I need my runback...

Hmm... So I was right as to why I died. Lol, boomslang being the last on my list day 1, they had to kill me

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey, Wilgy, I know this wasn't your song, but this is for you:

Voted Choutas

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plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

ZZZ...

Aaaaand Chou is gone...

see you

Wait a second, Im a mega dummy. Both MM and Zebra were on Tranq, not me. Choutas wut?

Astute observation? or set up? a forced WIFOM situation I'm presuming. I think it also weakens his case in the fact that I asked several times for a full answer on why he wanted to lynch me yesterday and never received an answer.

I don't consider my chances of getting lynched any worse or better than previous, especially considering I'm one of 2 votes, almost 19 hours into this day phase.

I can't force them to be at their computer, or less, respond Enrique. I can vote for them, maybe lynch them, but the problem here is that I don't like lynching people for no reason.

Being honest our chances of getting to LYLO tomorrow are pretty high, and I'd be down to pluck a wallflower before we find ourselves in this situation, also gamble on hitting a mafia.

Out of all the low posters, who would you like to vote for Enrique?

I mean, at least I've seen that Floyd has tried to scum hunt, but if I ever have a thought about Tranq, Floyd, or Chou, do you know what my brain does? It goes blank!

If it seems that I'm frustrated, it's because I am. This is my 100th post, Luke hasn't broken single digits, Choutas, Tranq, Floyd are all 13 or lower, and there's no way all 4 of them are scum.

Enrique wrote:

Matt F wrote:Choutas - Besides Wilgy, what are you thinking? The bulk of your posts aren't about much, and in the few that you suspect Wilgy, you say "Voting Wilgy until a better case forms" and then "Voting Wilgy cuz two dead civs voted for him".

His logic kinda makes sense to me. Since yesterday, most opposition to Wilgy has disappeared. I don't know if Choutas is right but that's not a terrible case to make.

What case?

What responsibility am I avoiding? as far as I can tell, the everyone has been avoiding that responsibility as well.

It's been 5 hours since my last post, there have been 4 posts since. That is less than one post per hour since I've taken a step back.

I've been asking Choutas to explain his suspicion on me for the past 2-3 irl days, and I still haven't seen anything.

Boomslang what don't you like about me stepping back?

A note: It's now 7-3, and we have 2 more chances to lynch a baddie.

Choutas wrote:Who was the guy the Marmot and the Zebra voted? Wilgy.
Wilgy

Why?

Yeah, I need to back off. I will answer questions, but need time to think. I tunneled way too hard, also I'm an idiot. Maybe backing off will give the non idiots time to post.

Welp... I'm going to take a step back and relook things. I'll let y'all discuss without me for awhile.

See here's the thing though, I was scum then, I had no goal in making those stats other than wanting to look like a civ. I'm trying my best to use the analyses to figure out who scum team is.

I missed a step of the dance Zebra, do forgive me, and allow me to fully explain why I like that option.

Boomslang - I'm suspicious of Boomslang from yesterday, his thoughts of me defending Tranq threw me for a loop. Honestly it's lingering doubt, and I haven't reassessed him since.

Tranq - You make a good point on tranq, but I disagree with lynching a wallflower at this point, I feel that chances are higher that we will hit a civ if we lynch tranq today, rather than you. Lynching a mafia is too important at this time for me to take that chance.

MM, or you being the leading suspicions of the "anyone who isn't" category is the last slot, but If you are the baddie though in that trio, I would assume Zebra, Boomslang, and Choutas to be more likely than Zebra, Boomslang, Tranq and didn't mention you over MM.

Oh! I know what was missed. I didn't explain that I have an on MM.

The thing is, you and MM being on the same team is possible based on early day 1, but I still doubt it. Not something I've looked hard into though. Just a gut feeling based upon your interactions.

I like that one too, but because it leaves room for MM...

linki - d'oh, ya beat me to it

Out of these combinations, which ones seem the most likely to everyone?

My most likely is still the same from yesterday, Zebra, Boomslang, and Choutas.

Checked this again, and fixed an error.

DrWilgy wrote:X Player - Is not on team with A,B,C
Zebra - FZ, Matt F, Bcornett
Bcornett - FZ, Boomslang, Floyd, Zebra, Matt
Bea - Tranq //bea had not voted by this time
Boomslang - Luke, Bcornett, Floyd
Choutas - Me, Tranq
Me - Choutas, Enrique
Enrique - Metalmarsh, Luke, Me
FZ - Bcornett, Zebra, Matt
Luke - Boomslang, Bcornett, Floyd, Metalmarsh, Enrique
Matt - FZ, Zebra
MetalMarsh - Luke, Enrique
Floyd - Luke, Boomslang, Bcornett
Tranq - Choutas, Bea

Zebra, Bea, Anyone who isn't Matt or Tranq
Zebra, Boomslang, Anyone who isn't Luke, Matt, or Floyd
Zebra, Choutas, Anyone who isn't Tranq or Matt
Zebra, Enrique, Anyone who isn't MM, Luke, or Matt
Zebra, Luke, Not Boomslang, Not Floyd, Not MM, Not Matt, nor Enrique
Zebra, MM, not Luke, not Matt, nor Enrique
Zebra, Floyd, not Luke, not Matt, nor Boomslang
Zebra, Tranq, not Matt, not Choutas, or Bea
Bea, Boomslang, anyone who isn't Tranq, Luke, or Floyd
Bea, Choutas, anyone who isn't Tranq
Bea, Enrique, anyone who isn't Tranq, MM, or Luke
Bea, Luke, anyone who isn't Tranq, Boomslang, Floyd, MM, or Enrique
Bea, Matt, anyone who isn't Tranq or Zebra
Bea, MM, anyone who isn't Tranq, Luke, or Enrique
Bea, Floyd, anyone who isn't Tranq, Luke, Matt or Boomslang
Boomslang, Choutas, anyone who isn't Tranq, Luke, or Floyd
Boomslang, Enrique, anyone who isn't MM, Luke, or Floyd
Boomslang, Matt, anyone who isn't Luke, Floyd, or Zebra
Boomslang, MM, anyone who isn't Luke, Floyd, or Enrique
Boomslang, Tranq, anyone who isn't Luke, Floyd, Choutas, or Bea
Choutas, Enrique, anyone who isn't Tranq, MM, or Luke
Choutas, Luke, anyone who isn't Tranq, Boomslang, Floyd, MM, or Enrique
Choutas, Matt, anyone who isn't Tranq or Zebra
Choutas, MM, anyone who isn't Tranq, Luke, or Enrique
Choutas, Floyd, anyone who isn't Tranq, Luke, Matt or Boomslang
Enrique, Matt, anyone who isn't MM, Luke or Zebra
Enrique, Floyd, anyone who isn't MM, Luke, Matt, or Boomslang
Enrique, Tranq, anyone who isn't MM, Luke, Choutas or Bea
Luke, Matt, and Tranq
Matt, MM, anyone who isn't Zebra, Luke, or Enrique
Matt, Floyd, anyone who isn't Zebra, Luke, or Boomslang
Matt, Tranq, anyone who isn't Zebra, Choutas, or Bea
MM, Floyd, anyone who isn't Luke, Enrique, Luke, or Boomslang
MM, Tranq, anyone who isn't Luke, Enrique, Choutas or Bea
Floyd, Tranq, anyone who isn't Luke, Boomslang, Choutas or Bea

I think I hit every baddie combination possible, based on my analysis. It's interesting that Luke, Matt, and Tranq, is the only baddie combination that is possible if Luke and Matt are on a team. Someone double check my work plz.

I'll look at all the liki now...

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Ok... so this is based on the image of early game votes and general habits. Mafia tend to not vote along side their teammates early game, they also tend not to vote for their teammates early. By these means, X player is most likely not on a team with A, B, C. I'll leave the dead and myself in for reference but color us.

Didn't you bus your teammate on Day 2 in Talking Heads? :P

Yeah, but the stats came afterwards

you are correct. It is discouraging. It's also discouraging how the wagon piled on, and I don't understand Floyd, Luke's, and Tranqs votes for you. I don't think I'm going to change my vote at this point, unless something really convincing comes up. I understand you are at a frustrated point of not caring, but if you would please discuss these following players with all your current thoughts (even short synopsis on your thoughts would help at this point), if you are civ, and there is any chance of us winning, it will help us in the end.

MM, Boomslang, Choutas, Luke, and Tranq

Whoops, that was my bad. I edited the list afew times double and triple checking it and forgot to delete that sentence. Like I said, Meta is bullshit. I'm just trying to get out as much info as I can before the day ends.

Ok... so this is based on the image of early game votes and general habits. Mafia tend to not vote along side their teammates early game, they also tend not to vote for their teammates early. By these means, X player is most likely not on a team with A, B, C. I'll leave the dead and myself in for reference but color us.

Reference drop again: Zebra - FZ, Matt F, Bcornett
Bcornett - FZ, Boomslang, Floyd, Zebra, Matt
Bea - Tranq //bea had not voted by this time
Boomslang - Luke, Bcornett, Floyd
Choutas - Me, Tranq
Me - Choutas, Enrique
Enrique - Metalmarsh, Luke, Me
FZ - Bcornett, Zebra, Matt
Luke - Boomslang, Bcornett, Floyd, Metalmarsh, Enrique
Matt - FZ, Zebra, Matt F
MetalMarsh - Luke, Enrique
Floyd - Luke, Boomslang, Bcornett
Tranq - Choutas, Bea

Looking into this for patterns, the immediate thing that I see is that only person who doesn't have anyone listed as not teammates is Zebra. I'll be looking at your responses soon Zebra. Grumble grumble, gotta call Time Warner and have them fix my internet... doing this from my phone was hard...

You voted for me without even using air. Explain your vote on me please.

I don't think that it's a matter of lynching you that would directly lead to a loss or not, I think that it's a lack of discussion and giving up that will lead to a loss.

a2thezebra wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Zebra, if you are civ and ignoring my posts, we will lose.

Need more energy; also quite a bold statement.

Understood, rest up then <3

Interesting... I saw Luke post in a different thread. Thought it was only a matter of time till we get some feedback from him.

Zebra, if you are civ and ignoring my posts, we will lose.

Zebra please respond to the colorful glump.

Don't lose hope Enrique. Do something. Bring out the people! If you are civ and lost hope, then we've already lost.

Who were you addressing in that cough?

Zebra, if you had to choose one person as the civ check from FZ, who would it be.

Or you can give us a bad check if you think FZ got that.

*Yawns*

Understood, I just recommend that you don't confuse post count and frequency with civvie behavior.

Zebra, I'm still looking for the work here. You say my thoughts are contrived. Show me how, and where. Give me proof.

Matt, I'll let you know that I play most games differently and they are irrelevant to my alignment. I set tempos for how I play the game, sometimes i'll dick around the entire time, sometimes I'll play the master background schemer, sometimes I'll try hard. Normally I will follow my tempo to the end of a game once it has been set, unless something prevents me from doing so. Setting tempo is just something I do as a bassist I guess. Meta isn't something you should use to judge me, at least in my own opinion, rather my actions in game due to deliberately setting tempo.

Enrique, it bothers me that you are sold on my alignment. Only scum should be sold on alignment, y'know because they know everyone's alignment.

I think it's better than nothing, plus I too have been watching online and offline status in my free time.

I wish people would be clear and precise on who and why they are voting. With the cop dead, all we have going for us is good discussion.

What do you not like Enrique.

Thanks Floyd. Your points may help me judge whether or not MM and Zebra are on a team.

If you are going to push another angle that is justifiable "from a civ perspective" by all means do so, but I don't know what else I have to go on.

Luke, Choutas, Tranq, Matt, get in here and tell us of your perspectives. Tell us what you think, and what directions you want to go? What questions need to be answered? What questions have been asked that have yet to be answered?

Where do they not add up? show me the work, don't let the calculator solve it for you. Also, Zebra, how is it justified from a civ perspective verses a mafia perspective? What specification needs to be made there?

Floyd, instead of going with what is most recent, can you look between two points of view on this theory? MM, Zebra, and I being on a team vs MM, Zebra, and I not being on a team? and explain where each has their merit and fault?

Is it possible that they are on the same team and are now trying to distance one another? Wouldn't distancing yourself from teammates be the thing to do if they were mafia? especially considering the suspicion that has been thrown Zebra's way?

Boomslang, what are your thoughts on Choutas and Zebra?

Can everyone post who they think is the mafia team at this point?

Mine is Zebra, Boomslang, and Choutas still. Choutas can be substituted for MM and Bea.

Enrique. What made Boomslangs faulty logic more influential than other logics on last poll?

Matt F wrote:FZ was the cop. I'm pretty sure at the beginning of the game, the cop was told one civilian identity. Since the only two she seemed to defend were you and Luke, it stands to reason that one of you may be the identity she received at the start.

Yeah, FZ was given a pre game check. I missed that, so lets look into this. .