The Syndicate

MovingPictures07 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Can I have a replacement?

No.

MovingPictures07 wrote:DrWilgy has been killed by the Hitman from The Sockfaced Famiglia. He was Crew, a member of The Daisy Crime Syndicate.

????? escaped an arrest attempt by the Police.

DrWilgy was already dead and thus escaped an arrest attempt by the Police.

Matt has been killed by the Capo and Crew from The Daisy Crime Syndicate. He was The Fall Guy, a member of The Daisy Crime Syndicate.

It is now Day 3.

You have 48 hours to find a policeman. Good luck, goons!

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Giant post ahead. I'm gonna post a wall of quotes about what happened at EoD2. See if I can make some sense of this mess.

The CFD idea starts here. No suspects are pointed out yet.

Turnip Head wrote:I want to lead a CFD counterwagon because I don't like any of these 3, but I have no idea where to go. My vote is accomplishing nothing but I don't know where else to put it. I really hope Epi doesn't get lynched, I haven't played with him in forever and I'm liking his new approach this game.

Golden promptly agrees.

Golden wrote:I'd love to, too, but we would need to get enough people on board, and preferably including some of the current voters on the existing 3 wagons.

So does the bear:

S~V~S wrote:Talk to me. My vote is based on a ping, and I am not sure why he has other votes. When I looked in here this AM, it seemed that he had more, so if new info has come up I want to act on it, but I don't know that I can totally catch up in the time that I have.

Sloonei is open to it.

Sloonei wrote:My mind is open.

SW points out Fuzz's opportunistic vote. Ika agrees.

Silverwolf wrote:

RadicalFuzz wrote:Breaking the tie, voting for ika.

ika

This is a very opportunistic vote and probably scum.

ika wrote:I agree, when i flip town it should be looked into

Golden throws two possible names. Matt and Wilgy. Not Fuzz, but he says he is open to ideas.

Golden wrote:Let me throw out two names for this counterwagon and see if Sloon, SVS, TH, indi, silver and ika could all be behind either.

Matt
Wilgy

I'm open to other names.

Says he is also open to Serge and Fuzz. Doesn't vote them or the other two yet.

Golden wrote:Serge and Fuzz votes both opportunistic, I'd be open to either of them too.

Sloonei supports a CFD on Matt.

Sloonei wrote:Matt is probably my dark horse lynch option, if we're all gonna start throwing names into the Chinese Fire Drill pool.

Linki: I see we have started doing that! And Matt has other takers.

Jar delivery girl is on board with the whole CFD idea.

indiglo wrote:Ditto.

Sloonei disagrees with ika. Not clear whether he is against lynching Fuzz or just doesn't like ika's particular point. Looks like the later.

Sloonei wrote:

ika wrote:I agree, when i flip town it should be looked into

I do not agree. At this point it only makes sense to vote for one of the three of you, so any vote can be said to be "opportunistic".

Next, I voice against the CFD. Argument ensues. Not gonna post it here because this isn't the point of this post.

The bear makes a big point against Fuzz. Brings up the matter of Fuzz refusing to touch Ika.

Spoiler: show

S~V~S wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

RadicalFuzz wrote:Breaking the tie, voting for ika.

ika

This is a very opportunistic vote and probably scum.

I kind of agree. This is his last postmentioning ika:

RadicalFuzz wrote:Matt is either playing from a high tightrope or is town. The risk/reward for his actions feels like high/medium if he's scum.
Sloonei is my strongest townread, as his posts have consistently made logical sense and he's avoided tunnelling on one player or interaction. It feels like he's trying to solve the game, and that's good.
You look town-y to me, for similar reasons to Sloonei. The difference is your tone reads as a little early to reach a conclusion, like you're content with finding enough facts to reach a conclusion at all, not necessarily the correct one.

Spirityo still has said next to nothing and we're a few hours out from Day 2 ending. His four posts consist of the following. A "linki - that's a good idea", one "I agree with Sloonei about the cultural differences between RYM & Syndicate", a greeting to everyone, and an apology for missing the vote. Absolutely zero content whatsoever.
Enrique I don't like because of his refusal to explain his vote on Day 1. That entire situation read as if he was nervous, if that makes sense, like he didn't have a reason at the time of his vote but decided he needed one.

I refuse to touch the Silverwolf/ika thing with a 39 & 1/2 foot pole. There's some logic to be found in interactions regarding them, but so much emotion that I'd probably end up stepping on someone's toes and they'd get mad at me for their decision to wear sandals.

My vote's going to be used to prevent a tie today. I'm indifferent as to where specifically it goes.

Turnip the reason you should vote for me is so you stop twiddling your thumbs about who to vote for.

Llama can you elaborate on your conclusion that Luffy's posts scream "cop?"

SW disagrees on the CFD. She had priorly agreed on lynching Fuzz, but not the CFD.

Silverwolf wrote:

Golden wrote:Let me throw out two names for this counterwagon and see if Sloon, SVS, TH, indi, silver and ika could all be behind either.

Matt
Wilgy

I'm open to other names.

I don't like this. I never like the idea of a last minute flash wagon at the end of the day.

Your latest posts are not really sitting well with me.

Radical Fuzz, Golden need to be looked into more tomorrow IMO.

Golden congratulates the bear. No vote yet.

Golden wrote:Good find, SVS.

Sloonei agrees with the Fuzz lynch. That gives us 4 people wanting to lynch Fuzz: him, ika, SW and SVS.

Spoiler: show

Sloonei wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

RadicalFuzz wrote:Breaking the tie, voting for ika.

ika

This is a very opportunistic vote and probably scum.

I kind of agree. This is his last postmentioning ika:

RadicalFuzz wrote:Matt is either playing from a high tightrope or is town. The risk/reward for his actions feels like high/medium if he's scum.
Sloonei is my strongest townread, as his posts have consistently made logical sense and he's avoided tunnelling on one player or interaction. It feels like he's trying to solve the game, and that's good.
You look town-y to me, for similar reasons to Sloonei. The difference is your tone reads as a little early to reach a conclusion, like you're content with finding enough facts to reach a conclusion at all, not necessarily the correct one.

Spirityo still has said next to nothing and we're a few hours out from Day 2 ending. His four posts consist of the following. A "linki - that's a good idea", one "I agree with Sloonei about the cultural differences between RYM & Syndicate", a greeting to everyone, and an apology for missing the vote. Absolutely zero content whatsoever.
Enrique I don't like because of his refusal to explain his vote on Day 1. That entire situation read as if he was nervous, if that makes sense, like he didn't have a reason at the time of his vote but decided he needed one.

I refuse to touch the Silverwolf/ika thing with a 39 & 1/2 foot pole. There's some logic to be found in interactions regarding them, but so much emotion that I'd probably end up stepping on someone's toes and they'd get mad at me for their decision to wear sandals.

My vote's going to be used to prevent a tie today. I'm indifferent as to where specifically it goes.

Turnip the reason you should vote for me is so you stop twiddling your thumbs about who to vote for.

Llama can you elaborate on your conclusion that Luffy's posts scream "cop?"

Okay, now I agree.

Golden states he is willing to vote for Fuzz.

No vote yet.

Golden wrote:I'm willing to do a Fuzz vote.

Ika states he also wants to vote for Fuzz. Again, no vote yet.

ika wrote:

Golden wrote:I'm willing to do a Fuzz vote.

i can do that

Sloonei opens the flood gates. The poll doesn't show that because Sloonei would later change the vote, but he is the first to vote.

Sloonei wrote:RadicalFuzz is the crooked kind of player.

TH prefers to vote for Scotty though.

Turnip Head wrote:I voted for Scotty on the basis of the points I made in this post. It's not as strong of a point now that the Gleam wagon slowed down and two others popped up, but I still get a word feeling from how he used his vote today.

Golden votes second.

Golden wrote:RadicalFuzz

SW wants to join, but wants more support.

Silverwolf wrote:I'm willing to lynch Radical Fuzz right now if there's enough support for it.

Enrique is confused about lynching Fuzz. So is TH.

Enrique wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I am starting to feel more inclined to vote for Epi, and if I reach a point where I'm confident enough to do that, I will do it.

Is that gonna happen on its own? Are you looking for encouragement?

also why is everyone voting fuzz now wtf i wasnt serious

Turnip Head wrote:Why Fuzz? I've got linki up the wazoo

Ika votes.

ika wrote:Changed my vote

pedit: well we are @riki

Enrique agrees with my point against the CFD. The Fuzz lynch is fully moving at the time.

Enrique wrote:

Spoiler: show

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Golden wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I don't like the idea of starting another wagon, when we already have 3, with less than an hour for the phase to end.

This is the PERFECT opportunity for scum to save each other if they need to.

If you don't like the current wagons then tough luck. Try to push another one earlier next day.

Every post you make is making you look more scummy, imo. Why shouldn't we try to push one now, when so many people think all of the current wagons don't have a lot of merit?

If people don't like any of the 3 wagons then sure, go ahead.

But inviting people to look for a fourth one reeks of an attempt to deflect this lynch into something else.

I don't like the timing of this at all. Because all the scum who are seeing their possible teammates get lynched will take the chance to jump out.

Good post.

Enrique votes for one of the movers of the Fuzz wagon:

Enrique wrote:Golden I really don't like this.

SW votes. Then the bear. Then me.

Silverwolf wrote:Radical Fuzz

If this doesn't happen today, I'm voting it tomorrow.

S~V~S wrote:I went to Fuzz

Tied it backup.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Fine.

RadicalFuzz

I hate this plan but if we are not lynching gleam, the Fuzz is the next in line.

I'm not lynching ika today.

Okay I'm gonna stop here with the votes. The rest is history and can be seen in the poll.

The point is this post was to provide a way for people to look at the flow. Who started the CFD, who pushed, how the idea for lynching Fuzz was developed, who came up with it and who pushed it too. This is useful for the point I want to make next.

Also Sig's post against the lynch hadn't come yet, but would eventually come. Will quote it here since he seems to be a big suspect:

sig wrote:Wow why Fuzz this makes no sense I think this is a baddie driven CFD to save a teammate, notice almost the same people are up for lynches today as yesterday? I stand by my theory that one was mafia and that we had some minor save last phase, I think we are seeing a much bigger save attempt this phase. With a mafia team thhis big a CFD is easy to pull off I think this is scum driven to save one of the three leading people. Most likely Ike or Epi.

Can someone give me any reason for the Fuzz lynch?

I also really dislike DDL switch and his reasons. I actually am agreeing with Llama about him what about a Dragon lycnh?

linki: DDL and Golden are my top two scum reads, either Ike or Epi are there partners. Possibly Wilgy as well.

Ok here is the point. I think Golden is bad.

The reason: the way he moved in this lynch is VERY similar to how he handles bussing in other games where he is bad.

Let me explain how the fiende operates: he is never the one to start the wagon where his teammates are lynched. He waits for someone to bring it up and stays on the fence, looking contributive. But as soon as he smells the wagon, he makes sure he is one of the first to jump on it, in order to keep appearances. He won't jump unless he sees the clear flow of the thread going against the teammate though. But when they do, he will act fast and secute the towncred that lynch will provide. Golden is capable of lynching his entire team, then winning the game alone on a mountain of towncred he carefully obtained along the game. He did it in Economics: got two of his three teammates lynched and made sure to look responsible for it, even when he was never the one to bring the lynch up. He was the first to vote on both lynches, even though he wasn't the one starting the suspicion (TH, the cop, was).

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 85#p148585

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 51#p147451

So it matches with this game. he didn't bring up the CFD. He agreed with it after TH did. He didn't bring up the Fuzz lynch, he actually brought up 3 counter-examples before and attempted to push wagons on them. He only said he was going to vote for Fuzz after four other players did.

And now, he is acting like if everyone on that lynch is automatically town, and the ones who opposed the CFD the most are automatically mafia. A dangerous and absolute view, which doesn't fit an intelligent and questioning person like him. it is perfectly possible for that lynch to contain 1 or even more cops. They could be sacrificing their teammate. Heck, that wasn't even clear it would happen, since the day ended with more votes on ika than on Fuzz. It's likely this was a coordinated job, with some players voting for ika to counter the wagon and some voting for Fuzz in order to split the team. They took the risk, and it didn't pay off since they lost a teammate, but now they are trying to reap the benefits of towncred and/or creating new suspects.

I know this whole thing is a huge tinfoil, but it feels right to me. I'm willing to act on it next day.

That doesn't mean I don't have other suspects though. The ika wagon is probably full of them. I don't like the way Soneji has been playing, for example, and I see the points on Enrique and/or Sig. But I'm gonna pursue this theory first.

I don't like Golden's absolute views. Only siths deal in absolutes. This doesn't sound like a civ wanting to figure out the game.

I'll finish catching up to see if there is anything else worth replying to then disappear again until Day 3. Bye.

S~V~S wrote:Why are you underlining a vote at night?

Matt wrote:Wilgy, he who knows Fuzz more then anyone...I've only played with Fuzz once or twice, I think he was civ every time, but he strikes me as someone who would fight harder as a mafia. I'm wondering if he just laid down and took it for Golden's sake. Is that a possibility, Wilgy, or have I reached full tunnel express on Golden now?

Epignosis wrote:Suddenly I feel...motivated.

S~V~S wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Also, allow me to gloat that I, the good Doctor Wilgy, had Fuzz pinned at his first post.

Good for you

DrWilgy wrote:Been trying to get my thoughts together, what is the harm in that Diiny?

He pinged me with this

RadicalFuzz wrote:Wilgy you knew perfectly well that your voting plan wasn't going to work before you posted it.

and I asked about it to no response. If I knew that my plan wasn't going to work, why did I suggest it? He didn't formulate any thoughts based upon this action of mine to share... so this quote seems rather malicious.

I think my real vote would be between Enrique and Fuzz. Doing things without reason pings me enough.

What do you think of Enriques outrage at Fuzz being lynched? Since you had considered a vote for him as well?

Golden wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Also, allow me to gloat that I, the good Doctor Wilgy, had Fuzz pinned at his first post.

We should call you MacWilgy.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Day 2

The two families were in a chaotic frenzy. No one seemed to stand out as a top suspect for a cop hiding in their midst. Finally it seems all arguments had been laid out, all disputes had been made, all cases had been put forth and still no solid agreement. Reluctantly the family members went their way to carry out their individual business, but each passed along their final decision on who to eliminate to their respective crime boss.

As the day drew to a close, Daisy and MP met up on a street corner to discuss who held the most votes now. "So it's decided?" Daisy asked him, just to ensure they were on the same page before they took any action.

He nodded, "RadicalFuzz has got to go."

"How do you want to do this?"

"The mob didn't finish him off last time, maybe we should do it ourselves this time around..."

She nodded her agreement and the pair set off on foot towards RadicalFuzz's home. Once there, Daisy jimmied the lock and they slipped inside. It was dark inside and they moved silently throughout the house, searching unsuccessfully for RadicalFuzz. MP shook his head, "Someone must've tipped him off."

"You think he turned himself in?"

"Most likely."

At the precinct, RadicalFuzz walked in nervously and looked around. He never expected to be here turning himself into the cops, but it is the only way he could avoid being taken out by the two families.



RadicalFuzz has been arrested. He was Surveillance Specialist, a member of The Police.

It is now Night 2.

You have 23 hours to send in your night actions.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:RadicalFuzz

agleaminranks wrote:Silverwolf, I'm calling your bluff. I went back and examined the Wilgy case and I don't have anything stronger to go on there. I think my rationale will stand for itself. I have a long day of classes and I'm not 100% sure I can check in again before the deadline.

Silverwolf

ika wrote:and the counterwagon grows more......

i wonder what it will look like after i flip town

ika wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

ika wrote:

Sloonei wrote: That doesn't really help.

*shrugs*

See this is why I'm describing you as deliberately unhelpful, and that is a major scumtell. All I am asking you to do is pull out one quote from anybody's post history to back up the reads you're giving, but all you're doing is ing all over the place or just saying you'll "do an ISO" and then not getting back to it at all. You said you'd that for Epi a while ago and I'm still waiting for it.

This started as a pressure vote, but the longer it stays there the better I feel about it. Gonna re-emphasize my vote forika.

protip: im a gut player so logic and reasons are thing si never use nor do i use posts

Epignosis wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

ika wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:What the hell have I been reading the past few pages?

Idk, but for some reason I want to lynch both Ika and Wolf.

Can you elaborate at all?

Not really. Bad gut feeling from the both of you... Er, you two together more so.

What does their activity in Zodiac tell you about them?

ika wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:What the hell have I been reading the past few pages?

Idk, but for some reason I want to lynch both Ika and Wolf.

Can you elaborate at all?

Epignosis wrote:What the hell have I been reading the past few pages?

sig wrote:I don't like this huge bandwagon on gleam, espacilly since nobody has ever actually explained their suspicion of him, or if they have I don't remember it.

I've got a slight mafia gut read on Wilgy.

Also I find it odd how quite Zebra/LC seem to be this game.

thellama73 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:I'm seeing theories suggesting I'm a sock.

Everyone, am I a handsome sock or a beautiful daisy?

Or a cop. Don't forget that possibility.

RadicalFuzz wrote:Wilgy I think you were spinning my silence to be more than it was. "He didn't respond to me for X hours" is a valid statement, but in the context of the knowledge that I was preoccupied it means almost nothing. I'll give you abnormality though, weird is weird.

Zebra what is your general strategy going to be in this game?

DrWilgy wrote:I think the part on Fuzz that bothers me the most is that his last visit to the site was today at noon. He didn't post "Hey I'll catch up later" or respond to anything. It seems that he's OK with sitting back and watching whatever happens happen.

@Sloonei - My final vote, where my vote locks.

agleaminranks wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

agleaminranks wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Dragunu D. Ruffey-san

Psst, DrWilgy-san. You can't vote for players at night.

Ninja'd. What's up, Wilgy? You're all over the damn place.

What categorizes me as such?

It's just your votes were all over the place yesterday, and today you acted like you were voting for someone when it's the night phase. You just seem real aloof.

But, if you read what I posted afterwards, I think I have reasonable thoughts about your civilian alignment.

Wilgy just because I didn't put a question at the end of that statement doesn't mean I wasn't looking for an answer. With what I know of you I assumed you would respond to that statement as is, and sure enough you did. What's the problem?

agleaminranks wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Dragunu D. Ruffey-san

Psst, DrWilgy-san. You can't vote for players at night.

Ninja'd. What's up, Wilgy? You're all over the damn place.

Sloonei wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Sloonei wrote:@scotty: can Wilgy and I both be good?

Yes.
So can haggis. Just because I had some good haggis once when I was really hungry doesn't mean that it's universally good.

But yea.

Who is your top suspect after Day 1's events?

Tranq I think.

Why? He has like 2 posts.

Scotty wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Sloonei wrote:@scotty: can Wilgy and I both be good?

Yes.
So can haggis. Just because I had some good haggis once when I was really hungry doesn't mean that it's universally good.

But yea.

Who is your top suspect after Day 1's events?

Tranq I think.

thellama73 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

thellama73 wrote:So my main conclusion from catching up is that Dragon is most definitely a cop. He gave himself away early by complaining that it is too hard for the cops to win.

I'm comin' for you, Dragon. Prepare yourself.

When did this happen Llama? I'll double check when I'm less busy, but if you site the source that would be helpful.

It starts here, and continues with an increasingly testy exchange. Reeks of frustration.

I can actually get behind this. The only question I have for tgis subject is, if DDL is a frustrated cop, wouldn't he take it to btsc ratger than the main thread?

Maybe, but it wouldn't be the first time a mafia member has let btsc feelings spill over into the thread. If humans were perfect, this game would be impossible.

thellama73 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

thellama73 wrote:So my main conclusion from catching up is that Dragon is most definitely a cop. He gave himself away early by complaining that it is too hard for the cops to win.

I'm comin' for you, Dragon. Prepare yourself.

When did this happen Llama? I'll double check when I'm less busy, but if you site the source that would be helpful.

It starts here, and continues with an increasingly testy exchange. Reeks of frustration.

Scotty wrote:

ika wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

ika wrote:

Golden wrote:

ika wrote:Ok im home i will be reading shorty.

Can someone tell me if we are allowed to talk game or not? im not used to being able to talk at night

The general rule here is that you can talk game at night. Unless the rules specify otherwise.

Sweet!

Im gonna try to do some isoing does anyone have anyone spcific thatthey want em to see

ISO me Ika.

mkay one min

This is like a girlfriend "I'm just gonna put on my makeup" minute.

Also, @Wilgy, you seem overeager to have someone ISO you like you are cocky that you have nothing to hide. It's Day 1 shenanigans, and you almost got lynched for said shenanigans, so, like, everyone should be ISOing you anyway.

I didn't find what you were saying as inherently bad in day 1 and didn't understand the traction on your lynch. But I don't like the invitation to read into you more thoroughly. You seem like you are proud that you don't *look* guilty.

thellama73 wrote:So my main conclusion from catching up is that Dragon is most definitely a cop. He gave himself away early by complaining that it is too hard for the cops to win.

I'm comin' for you, Dragon. Prepare yourself.

ika wrote:

Golden wrote:

ika wrote:Ok im home i will be reading shorty.

Can someone tell me if we are allowed to talk game or not? im not used to being able to talk at night

The general rule here is that you can talk game at night. Unless the rules specify otherwise.

Sweet!

Im gonna try to do some isoing does anyone have anyone spcific thatthey want em to see

Enrique wrote:Well on the flip side that's a pretty funny turn of events.

Golden wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Diiny wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Diiny wrote:If I die pursue wilgy and gleam. Gleam's vote for me was bad.

It'll be a sad day if we are both civ Diiny

Then make my day and flip scum

Well there's a 0% chance for that one

Is that because you are the Undercover Cop?

Diiny wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Diiny wrote:If I die pursue wilgy and gleam. Gleam's vote for me was bad.

It'll be a sad day if we are both civ Diiny

Then make my day and flip scum

Diiny wrote:If I die pursue wilgy and gleam. Gleam's vote for me was bad.

Sloonei wrote:Sneak attack last second vote for Wilgy. Hi bye

agleaminranks wrote:Actually yeah Wilgy, what did you learn about Epignosis in that mafia game? He's asked you three times during your peak activity and you've completely ignored him. That's pretty suspect.

DrWilgy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:DrWilgy, what did you learn about me in Zodiac?

Muh bad, I saw it and forgot to respond.

I'm not sure really.... I feel like I was onto your baddie vibe but it's hard to describe. You are a man of fluff, but there's a point where it's dangerous. There's also your actions, you were very volatile and hard to lynch. You also were very sassy when it came to my suspicion of you.

Epignosis wrote:DrWilgy, what did you learn about me in Zodiac?

Diiny wrote:Playing from the train station because im a sociopath. Have you ever played a game with me as town?

Wilgy your vote for fuzz and golden were both bad. Brought out of nowhere.

RadicalFuzz wrote:Refusal to elaborate on a lynch vote isn't enough for a lynch? I disagree, Luffy. Saying "X should be dead" and not explaining the why is either poor play that needs to be pruned or intentional manipulation of mob mentality to keep motives for X's death hidden. I don't like it.

Wilgy you knew perfectly well that your voting plan wasn't going to work before you posted it.

Scotty you didn't put me on that list of people who hadn't checked in. If you made the list off the top of your head why are those 3 on your mind, and if you went down the list how did you miss me?

Diiny wrote:Don't misrepresent me, wilgy. I'm not voting for you for starting that discussion per se. I didn't go YOU'RE BAD FOR STARTING DISCUSSION. Golden can read for himself and see that you were playing really dumb with why it would be advantageous for you to do so as scum, which doesn't help. You also did fuck all else BUT discuss the setup. You didn't use it to scumhunt. And your votes so far have been bad. Just read my posts. Will hopefully be back before the deadline but I put trust in golden's ability to click on the diiny's posts button

Golden wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Golden wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

S~V~S wrote:
I am going to drop a vote on Gleam for now, he made a lot of assumptions based on incorrect role reads, then backtracked them, and if you cancel all that out, he made a lot of posts comparative to others at this early stage, but did not say much.

I am also considering putting a vote on Gleam for similar reasons.

I was also pinged by Diiny, specifically where he says Goldens post content =/= what research led him to expect. Research? What kind of research? Has he done this research on other people, or just Golden? To me this kind of comment reads as "research = told by BTSC partner". But we have civ BTS in this game, and I don't want to drop a third vote on the guy for a weak ping. Those who know him, is this kind of research something Diiny typically does?

Diiny wrote:Reading back, I'll also extend that question to Golden, who posted a lot about the setup/plan but not much about players which research shows is a tad out of character.

I think by "research" Diiny just means "past experience". He's played with Golden a number of times, both here and on RYM, so he seems to just be noting something that he's marked as a change in Golden's character. I can't say I know exactly what he means though, I don't remember Golden ever being opposed to discussing the setup and mechanics of a game.

In fact, those who played with me in... RYM87, I think? May remember that it was thinking about 'setup and mechanics' that were in part responsible for me nailing both sanmateo and aether. Diiny played that game. I think discussion of and thinking about the setup can genuinely lead to baddie catching.

Woah! Diiny just accused me for being bad because I encouraged discussion of mechanics. That's spooky.

I haven't got to why Diiny voted for you yet. Is that why?

Golden wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

S~V~S wrote:
I am going to drop a vote on Gleam for now, he made a lot of assumptions based on incorrect role reads, then backtracked them, and if you cancel all that out, he made a lot of posts comparative to others at this early stage, but did not say much.

I am also considering putting a vote on Gleam for similar reasons.

I was also pinged by Diiny, specifically where he says Goldens post content =/= what research led him to expect. Research? What kind of research? Has he done this research on other people, or just Golden? To me this kind of comment reads as "research = told by BTSC partner". But we have civ BTS in this game, and I don't want to drop a third vote on the guy for a weak ping. Those who know him, is this kind of research something Diiny typically does?

Diiny wrote:Reading back, I'll also extend that question to Golden, who posted a lot about the setup/plan but not much about players which research shows is a tad out of character.

I think by "research" Diiny just means "past experience". He's played with Golden a number of times, both here and on RYM, so he seems to just be noting something that he's marked as a change in Golden's character. I can't say I know exactly what he means though, I don't remember Golden ever being opposed to discussing the setup and mechanics of a game.

In fact, those who played with me in... RYM87, I think? May remember that it was thinking about 'setup and mechanics' that were in part responsible for me nailing both sanmateo and aether. Diiny played that game. I think discussion of and thinking about the setup can genuinely lead to baddie catching.