The Syndicate

If I had come back to seeing people all over my case, I would vehemently argue that I am innocent even if I can't provide all the supporting materials until I go back through. Peterman's response does not scream I AM INNOCENT, STOP THIS MADNESS!

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:33 pm It definitely easy, Leo. It doesn't necessarily imply it's wrong. I thought Peterman may have given up yesterday because he thought he was screwed.

If it's not him it's George. And if George has been fudging this MYLO and playfully role playing around right in my face while I contribute to losing the game to him, that's cold blooded.

So he gives up and takes one last dig to take out Big Stein. Rough.

At this point, I don't anticipate anything new coming out and being some sort of shocking revelation that leads me to change my vote. if JP isn't it, JP isn't it. I'm prepared to join you in a vote for Peterman. If we figure this out tonight, that's great. I will be gone from tomorrow AM and totally 100% out of pocket until tomorrow late evening. If we havent decided by bedtime tonight, I guess I need to move to un/no since I can't read/respond/act.

Uncle Leo is here. I have a an extremely busy day tomorrow and a lot of prepping to do tonight. I can check periodically. I do have a post in my history that says "Peterman, definitely mafia." It was the first mafia read I made, IIRC. I know minds have changed 100 times throughout these 30 pages... but why isn't peterman here defending himself? When I was on the verge of being lynched, I posted a lot (for me). I was here fighting. Since George has been on the cusp of being lynched, he has been here, fighting. Jerry -- I'll say it again, if he is mafia, I never ever had a chance.

Where's JP? But also, if he made the kill, why did he not also post? Easy enough to type on your notepad in your phone and copy + paste in multiple posts in the thread. Peterman is such an easy lynch based on his absence. TOO easy? If it's NOT peterman, though, it's Jerry or George and see above for that.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:53 pm So I know that I'm a mod and I should be in the know, but I still don't get the difference between LYLO and MYLO. Can someone please explain these concepts for me?

Thanks for asking! I have/had the same questions.

Jerry, thanks for answering.

I guess I should say why -- because of the Soup kill. Anyone paying attention would not have made that choice IMO. That is the primary reason I am comfortable going from "no JP" to "agreed."

George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:31 pm I'm nearly confident enough to vote for Peterman now.

also agreed

George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2017 2:53 pm Jerry
Leo
George
Peterman

agreed

George Costanza wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:20 pm I'd like to know what the argument for Peterman and not Frank is from Big Stein.

I'd like a bullet point list of why Peterman from anyone. 3 reasons.

Changing back to Frank based on this post. It's tough (I believe ) to come up with this as mafia. I hope.

I don't know if this is relevant. Soup died on Night 3. This was a Day 3 post.

Frank Costanza wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2017 10:28 pm ....

Now that I've gained a little bit of perspective back, I realize the Soup Nazi's been knocked down a few rungs on the suspect list, especially by Jerry and Uncle Leo.

Of those remaining, I hate to say it, but my gut says my son. It's just the kind of sick, twisted thing he'd do after putting her on his baddie list, especially after providing no reason. She was a suspect he couldn't defend if he got asked, so he knocked her off to avoid being asked about her. And he was even the last one seen at her bedside!

He realizes Soup is no longer a suspect so Soup is worthless as far as adding to the confusion and thus Soup becomes a target for N3 kill? It doesn't make sense because either way the Soup kill is not a good one.

George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:07 pm George and Peterman are about even in my mind. I'm voting for George because that's where the other votes are. I'm confident that it's one of those two, but I do not know which one. I wouldn't hate splitting the votes between them if we can't reach a consensus.

Jerry, with what you know about Steinbrenner and how he has played the game thus far, would you be willing to wager that he supports the move to Frank?

this is brief because of the time

george:
To me, the outlying votes are a way to obscure motivations and make a read harder. IMO, that’s what makes it “distinctly bad.”

George Costanza wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:05 pm Why does everyone have distinguishable trust in Jerry and what Jerry says? Is he a confirmed PR and I didn't know about it? How many times has he been wrong in his suspicions? I mean, you can trust that someone isn't mafia and you can assume someone is, on your own instincts, but until you see the cards flip, everyone is suspect tbh.

I agree with this 100%.

George Costanza wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:31 pm Some reasons for voting Frank:
…
2. I noticed that Frank didn't once comment on being ID'd civ by our cop or use it as a defense at any time until a brief post late Day 4. This further pushes my theory above at how the scum team was slightly disconnected from every day happenings.
…

Some reasons that make me question my vote:
That Whatley post to Leo at the eleventh hour. I don't quite know what the purpose was behind it. Was Whatley hoping to get a Frank lynch going on before the tables turned on him? It may seem like a minor and moot point, but it's made me question my suspicion.

I appreciate this particular point. I hadn’t considered it.


Jerry - if I switch (back) to Frank and he is innocent, who is at the top of your list tomorrow?
Same question to you, George

I am still uncomfortable with a JP vote. George agrees with me on that so perhaps I should move to Frank and then see if George reneges on that claim, I could be more certain placing a vote for him.

I'm responding to things right now.

George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:48 pm

Uncle Leo wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:33 pm Vote moved to George per the conversation that has taken place today. I'm away for the day but can check to potentially move the vote again closer to EOD. I'm really not feeling Peterman based on his vote record but that is faulty instinct at work and not necessarily based on analysis laid out by the group.

If you can, tell me more about your thoughts on Peterman's vote record.

The following includes certain statements from a previous post of mine:

Peterman:

Day 1 vote for civ Newman, however it was alongside 1 definite civ and 2 more than likely civilians (Stein/Jerry). Could scream innocent townie mistake a la Kramer/Stein/Jerry.
(a la those people because they are innocent and also made the mistake of voting Newman. Thus, this vote is meaningless to me)

Day 2 vote for Puddy – WITH Frank. That makes it tricky for me.
There were four votes for Puddy. Two are 100% innocent (Me & Elaine) It's difficult for me to get a read on Peterman's vote for Puddy when I made the same mistake. Also, Frank's vote was here too. So, if the current theory is George is mafia, it sort of makes sense that Frank & JP have votes here on Puddy.

Day 3 for Jerry.. understandable. I am sure we have all thought about voting for Jerry at one point or another.
I still can't eliminate the idea that we are going to find out Jerry is the GF at the end of this. It's a far fetched idea, of course. I am simply explaining why his vote for Jerry here also fails to arouse suspicion in me WHILE I AM ANALYZING HIS VOTING RECORD ONLY.

Day 4 for Tim with the majority.
Hard to find inherent fault with that.

To me, Frank & Tim voting Jackie (D3) feels more mafia than Peterman’s vote on Tim here on D4.

tl;dr: The main point I am attempting to establish is JP's voting record is incredibly similar my own. With me as a innocent/townie/civilian, I can't rush to judgement when I analyze his voting patterns. (As opposed to George, whose record Jerry calls "distinctly bad" and I happen to agree.)

Vote moved to George per the conversation that has taken place today. I'm away for the day but can check to potentially move the vote again closer to EOD. I'm really not feeling Peterman based on his vote record but that is faulty instinct at work and not necessarily based on analysis laid out by the group.

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2017 7:28 pm Consistency is easy. Frank has been "consistent" against George. It means nothing to me.

Also, I'd call George's outlier votes a distinctly bad thing.

I can definitely see that. That was actually my initial reaction but the more I thought about it the less I really knew.

I actually thought that George did not make the move to me (it was a very busy half hour) but looking back through, I see he actually did move to me.

George Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:10 pm

Tim Whatley wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:07 pm I voted Uncle Leo. It's the only vote I feel good about placing right now.

If no one is going to go with Frank, I'll vote for Leo too as he's my second suspect.

So he's on the Leo bandwagon. Mafia thinking they are about to get old Uncle Leo out?

then this:

George Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:12 pm Whatley voting for Leo and not voting for me (to bring the votes 3 against each of us) also reads townie move to me tbh. He had all the reason to build a case and vote for me with Jackie cross references but he chose not to.

So first he moves his vote to go for a Leo Lynch and then defends Whatley (who turned out to be "scum").

Hmmm... Perhaps the consistent suspicion for me all along was to support the ease with which he moved his vote on Day 4.

So for me:

Frank/George: would be comfortable with a vote for either at this point
Peterman: not comfortable with a vote at this point

Also, in my post #1020, I meant to say Day *3* Frank votes for Jackie with Whatley.

Jerry, you calling George's outlier votes a "distinctly bad thing" makes me re-examine this:

Frank Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:22 pm It looks like nobody else is going on George, so I'll switch to Whatley. I can see the argument for him being bad, even though my gut says he's not. And obviously my gut has been wrong on several different occasions this game.

Perhaps it's genuine and his "gut" is just a hedging of bets.

Obviously I have more research to do.

Also based on the above, moving my vote to Frank. Willing to change it up before EOD.

Beginning thoughts on Frank, Peterman, and George. It's a work in process but I wanted to get it up now. This is based on votes and isolated posts. If something I mention here has been addressed, please kindly direct me to it and I will reply.

Frank:

Day 1 he votes Kramer, night 1 Kramer is killed. He had a target in mind maybe?

Frank Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:18 pm I think you're all barking up the wrong tree with the Soup Nazi, and I'll be a monkey's ass if I let him go down. Already didn't like that Puddy guy, so here goes nothing. *votes David Puddy*

Misdirection to make an easy case for being on the regrettable Puddy bandwagon?

Day 4 a vote for Jackie, along with Tim Whatley --- decision to sacrifice for appearances’ sake?

Frank Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:35 pm Alright, I'm back, SERENITY NOW'ed, and ready to vote for George now that Jerry has also seen the light. Will look at Whately just to be fair.

<snip>

In summary, I still think George is a stronger suspect based on what he's said about Estelle and Jackie.

He will look at Whatley just to be fair. That’s nice.

Frank Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:22 pm It looks like nobody else is going on George, so I'll switch to Whatley. I can see the argument for him being bad, even though my gut says he's not. And obviously my gut has been wrong on several different occasions this game.

Ends up switching because his George claim didn’t gain traction but was smart enough to leave it open by saying “his gut” does not agree with Whatley being bad (just in case tides turned again and Whatley was taken off the chopping block).



Peterman:

Day 1 vote for civ Newman, however it was alongside 1 definite civ and 2 more than likely civilians. Could scream innocent townie mistake a la Kramer/Stein/Jerry.

Day 2 vote for Puddy – WITH Frank. That makes it tricky for me.

Day 3 for Jerry.. understandable. I am sure we have all thought about voting for Jerry at one point or another.

Day 4 for Tim with the majority.

To me, Frank & Tim voting Jackie feels more mafia than Peterman’s vote on Tim.

As far as voting records, I give the mafia edge to Frank. Perhaps because it is similar my own and I am INNOCENT!!

Also:

J Peterman wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:43 pm
<snip>

Uncle Leo - Uncle Leo, why don't you like me? I see you voted me because I haven't said much and I had a bad vote. Haven't we all had a bad vote? But what I do like about Leo is, he's not afraid to go after anyone, no matter how "cleared" they may appear.

<snip>

So, from what I've gathered, I'm happiest to vote George, Whatley, or Frank today. And maybe Leo. But less likely Leo.

His questioning of me seems genuine and I like it.


George:

Day 1 vote Soup
Day 2 Leo
Day 3 Leo
Day 4 Frank

Outlier votes. Never voted with the majority. Don’t know what to make of that exactly.

George Costanza wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:12 pm I got some catching up to do.

Some notes:
1. I haven't had a good game. I've never been this distracted IRL and played a game before, so to claim it's my worst yet is an understatement. HOWEVER, I haven't given up despite being dead wrong in my initial intuition leaning towards Leo (and gosh damn it is hard when people don't post so much and when they do post their characters are sleazy and creepy and have weird eyebrows), I still feel something off with Frank. Maybe because I hate being wrong and I'm just stubborn or whatever, but I can't shake it off.

Okay first, HARSH George, HARSH. But - at least he has been consistent with his distaste and distrust for me. Consistency is something.

Who I can eliminate from being mafia:

Me, Uncle Leo. It’s just not the case, guys. If I wanted to continue with antics, I would have moved my vote elsewhere instead of back to Whatley.

Who I can eliminate from being mafia PROBABLY:

Big Stein
-why? He claimed a role. If someone else had that role, I am pretty sure that person would come out and call BS, or at least someone (mafioso) would do so to cause confusion.

Jerry
-why? If Jerry is mafia I never had a chance. I am/was naturally suspicious of someone so “vocal and commanding” (to use the phrase I have used earlier in the game) but Jerry as mafia never really took hold and my experience tells me “vocal and commanding” might be inherently suspicious to me, but it does not translate to mafia.

Mafia MAYBE, probably not:

George Costanza:

Seems like he is genuinely trying. He called out Jackie multiple times and for some reason this post sticks with me:

George Costanza wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:14 pm

George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:49 pm Jerry Seinfeld
The Soup Nazi
Jackie Chiles
Uncle Leo
George Costanza
Tim Whatley
Frank Costanza
Elaine Benes
J. Peterman

I'd like to know what Jackie did to earn him a high spot on your list.

I'm not jealous or anything. Why would I be jealous?

It doesn’t seem like he would draw so much attention to Jackie being high on the list as a PROBLEM if he was Jackie’s teammate. There was so much going on and that could have easily passed on by unnoticed (for lack of a better word).

I am not sure not sure about George saying Whatley’s vote for me screams Townie — obviously that wasn’t true and that’s most of the reason he is in this category.

George Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:29 pm Frank and Peterman if Whatley is innocent.

Leo's meltdown was too dramatic and extreme to be scum I think.

I really don’t think 1) it was a meltdown and 2) it was “too” dramatic. I certainly wasn’t feeling “meltdown” as I was typing all of those “antics.” I stated my intentions multiple times.

At this point, do you feel you can trust me as civ?

Probably Mafia:

Frank or Peterman — thoughts on them to come. I have suspected both at one time or another. I need to read more thoroughly.

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:41 pm

George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:03 pmFrank does not see Peterman being scum. If Frank is scum, Peterman is the easiest player to get mislynched tomorrow. This is a boneheaded thing to say if that is the case. It would make no sense.
Lynch Peterman tomorrow.

I'm sold. Suspects:

1) Peterman
2) Frank
3) Leo
4) George

Think of all the time we'd have to catch real mafia members if we all agreed to see the clear evidence and accept that Leo is INNOCENT!

Uncle Leo wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2017 1:05 am

Tim Whatley wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:43 pm @Uncle Leo, why did you vote Stein day one? Your vote on Puddy, was that you crying "No you?"

Uncle Leo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:07 pmpeterman
-why: hasn't said much of anything substantial. voted for Puddy

Arent you in the same boat?

Am I in the same boat? No. Why would you think i am? I’m pretty sure you know that I don’t believe I am in the same boat. Did you mean to say “you’re in the same boat.” ?

I believe I explained my vote for Stein earlier in the thread. If not, it’s because it was Day 1 and what did I have to go by? Not much. So his quickness to suspect me aroused suspicion in me.

I'm okay with voting Peterman right now. I have been okay with it in the past when he voted Puddy. And in the above, Whatley (obviously has been proven bad) was willing to challenge my thoughts on Peterman despite knowing that I am innocent/civilian. Not a rock solid foundation but will do for me for now. He also voted Newman Day 1... which.. doesn't mean anything exactly, except it was an easy opportunity to go along with the group and blend in.

Frank Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:35 pm

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:24 pm

Frank Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:22 pm It looks like nobody else is going on George, so I'll switch to Whatley. I can see the argument for him being bad, even though my gut says he's not. And obviously my gut has been wrong on several different occasions this game.

Is there anyone for whom you cannot see the argument for their being bad? Disregard Elaine, Steinbrenner, and I.

Other than me? I think Peterman is having fun roleplaying and isn't worried enough to be mafia. Anyone else is fair game, particularly Leo for that self-vote nonsense.

Linki: WTH?
Linki: And my gut was wrong! Hooray for listening to people!

My (very wrong, won't be repeated) self-vote nonsense helped get votes off me and onto a mafioso.

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:32 pm

Elaine Benes wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:32 pm If Whatley is the cop, "Big Stein" and "Uncle Leo" are in for a beautiful surprise vacation together.

I mean, yeah. That'd be ballgame. Wouldn't that be spicy.

Not happening

Pathetic last ditch attempt by Whatley...

Nice try Whatley, for the second time today.

"Fish slap" was a mistake for anyone trying to read into what Leo means by fish slapping.

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:02 pm

Uncle Leo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:59 pm The move to self vote was to show that even when thought of as mafia, I am still attempting to be a team player in this crucial moment. You all have said to be here for EOD and that a majority is needed, etc, etc. So even as the knife twists into old Leo, here he is, voting with the team.

Obviously it was a mistake.

Teamwork is the most important element of most civilian wins. If you're truthful then your heart is in the right place. However, you can always make an exception for yourself. Literally every other player, even the claimed power roles, ought to be more likely to be scum than you are. You've only seen your own role card!

If you're bullshitting though, that's a pretty lame move in its own right.

My heart is in the right place. Chalk it up to senility for Leo, and unacceptable ignorance to me as the person playing Leo.

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:58 pm

Uncle Leo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:56 pm mafia ploy is ridiculous, do I seem smart enough to you to come up with that as a mafia ploy?

I don't know who's wearing your skin, Leo, or how smart someone has to be to do that.

However, I am leaning in the direction you're urging me to lean. Nobody experiences more mind changes and epiphanies than I do.

Let me rephrase -- do I seem like a good enough Mafia player to come up with that, specifically as a mafia ploy? Based on all that responses to me in this game so far, I would like to think that answer is easily no.

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:55 pm

George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:53 pm

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:22 pm @Frank Costanza
@Elaine Benes
@George Steinbrenner

Your votes are critical now. I think Leo is the best vote presently. Whatley remains in my 3-player POE, but I do agree with George that his voting behavior in this late phase hasn't been pro-mafia. That's a good thing.

Why Leo? I don't have time to reas a bunch of stuff

There's still much to consider unfortunately. You should just follow to the best of your ability and make your own choice.

You can judge Leo in the immediate present based on his self-vote at least. He was tied with Whatley in the poll and broke that tie with a vote for himself. I am determining whether it was ill-advised civilian flailing or a mafia ploy.

The move to self vote was to show that even when thought of as mafia, I am still attempting to be a team player in this crucial moment. You all have said to be here for EOD and that a majority is needed, etc, etc. So even as the knife twists into old Leo, here he is, voting with the team.

Obviously it was a mistake.

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:55 pm

George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:53 pm

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:22 pm @Frank Costanza
@Elaine Benes
@George Steinbrenner

Your votes are critical now. I think Leo is the best vote presently. Whatley remains in my 3-player POE, but I do agree with George that his voting behavior in this late phase hasn't been pro-mafia. That's a good thing.

Why Leo? I don't have time to reas a bunch of stuff

There's still much to consider unfortunately. You should just follow to the best of your ability and make your own choice.

You can judge Leo in the immediate present based on his self-vote at least. He was tied with Whatley in the poll and broke that tie with a vote for himself. I am determining whether it was ill-advised civilian flailing or a mafia ploy.

ill-advised civilian flailing

mafia ploy is ridiculous, do I seem smart enough to you to come up with that as a mafia ploy?

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:53 pm

Uncle Leo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:48 pm I had to interrupt things before more experienced and savvy players sent anyone else in the wrong (my) direction. To quote whoever just said this, votes can be changed. It's the final vote that matters. If you don't want me to be lynched, remove your vote from me. That makes sense?! Also someone please PM the list of strategies not allowed to be used in this game and I will avoid all of them in the future. (If possible, please read as sincere and not sarcastic.)

Rule #6

6. No self-voting, even as a placeholder. This is considered an illegal move in this game as much as voting for the non-player option. There is an "Unvote" option for a vote placeholder.

Please move that for the rules' sake if nothing else. I didn't even see it until now.

back to whatley I go.

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:44 pm

Uncle Leo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:42 pm I am trying to scare away voters from me because I am INNOCENT and if you lynch me, things get really rough, really fast.

Uncle Leo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:41 pm

Tim Whatley wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:38 pm @Uncle Leo If I vote Frank, what will you do?

If you move your vote to Frank, I will put my vote on you because I think you are the best candidate to be lynched today.

Things that don't make sense in any universe:

Leo wants to lynch Whatley. Leo was tied with Whatley. That final tally has a 50-50 chance of lynching Whatley.

So Leo moves to a self vote. This ensures a 0 chance of lynching Whatley and a 100 chance of lynching himself.

I had to interrupt things before more experienced and savvy players sent anyone else in the wrong (my) direction. To quote whoever just said this, votes can be changed. It's the final vote that matters. If you don't want me to be lynched, remove your vote from me. That makes sense?! Also someone please PM the list of strategies not allowed to be used in this game and I will avoid all of them in the future. (If possible, please read as sincere and not sarcastic.)

George Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:42 pm It matters because it was a tie. You broke that tie and made it a majority on you.

Sometimes something drastic is needed. I come back and am shocked to see the tide has turned to me. I thought the move would relatively quickly show that lynching me is a mistake.... apparently I, Uncle Leo, made the mistake in thinking that, but I still believe in the point I was trying to make.

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:41 pm

Uncle Leo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:38 pm

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:32 pm

Uncle Leo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:31 pm

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:14 pm Moved to Leo.

Would you like me to vote for myself? I will gladly do that. As a matter of fact, moving my vote to me right now since you all are so sure.

VOTE UNCLE LEO.

If you are a civilian and you lynch yourself with the game on the line, that would be the most petulant, despicable thing I've ever seen in a Mafia game. I have played in a lot of Mafia games.

What does it matter if my vote is on me if I move it and the majority is still on me? I am being a team player. I am going to vote with the majority. If the majority moves, I will move my vote. You think my vote for me is wrong? I think your vote for me is wrong. I am glad the dialogue about me is open. Hopefully it ends up in some votes moving.

The majority wasn't on you. The vote was tied. Your self-vote looks like a ploy to scare away voters.

I am trying to scare away voters from me because I am INNOCENT and if you lynch me, things get really rough, really fast.

Tim Whatley wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:38 pm @Uncle Leo If I vote Frank, what will you do?

If you move your vote to Frank, I will put my vote on you because I think you are the best candidate to be lynched today.

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:32 pm

Uncle Leo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:31 pm

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:14 pm Moved to Leo.

Would you like me to vote for myself? I will gladly do that. As a matter of fact, moving my vote to me right now since you all are so sure.

VOTE UNCLE LEO.

If you are a civilian and you lynch yourself with the game on the line, that would be the most petulant, despicable thing I've ever seen in a Mafia game. I have played in a lot of Mafia games.

What does it matter if my vote is on me if I move it and the majority is still on me? I am being a team player. I am going to vote with the majority. If the majority moves, I will move my vote. You think my vote for me is wrong? I think your vote for me is wrong. I am glad the dialogue about me is open. Hopefully it ends up in some votes moving.

Tim Whatley wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:31 pm

Uncle Leo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:29 pm

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:14 pm Moved to Leo.

This is a very VERY bad decision, Jerry.

Why though? Why Jerry in specific?

Because I started from the end and am working back and he was the first I saw to say me.

If the majority changes, I will change my vote.

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:14 pm Moved to Leo.

Would you like me to vote for myself? I will gladly do that. As a matter of fact, moving my vote to me right now since you all are so sure.

VOTE UNCLE LEO.

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:14 pm Moved to Leo.

This is a very VERY bad decision, Jerry.

George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:56 pm @Uncle Leo, when you return, my most pressing concern about you is your treatment of J. Peterman in this game. You've been a vocal supporter of his bandwagon without actually supplying any of your own input on the player. I'm sure you can understand why this might look bad from my perspective. I want to know what it is that you saw in him, and why you're willing to drop it now? This post in particular does not sit well with me.

I'm here. I will address this.

George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:59 pm

Jackie Chiles wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2017 6:19 pm

Frank Costanza wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:53 pm ASSMAN! I'LL GIVE HIM ASSMAN!

*votes Kramer*

Now where did this vote come from? You criticize George, Elaine, Estelle... but then vote Kramer with no real explanation! Not to mention that this is a follower vote on someone I'm feeling pretty good about. Highly questionable behavior.

On another not, rereading Estelle's three posts, I find it satisfying to read them in her roleplaying voice. It works despite her admission that she doesn't know how.

Change vote: Frank

This was the only vote for Frank on Day 1, and it came late in the phase. Uncle Leo accused Elaine and The Soup Nazi of casting meaningless votes on each other for distancing purposes on Day 1. I can level the same accusation against Jackie here.
Frank makes no mention of Jackie until my ISO and Elaine's claim at the end of Day 3, at which point he becomes a cheerleader on the bandwagon.

I agree with this: Jackie casting a "throwaway" vote on Frank and then "one-sided distancing." This makes me suspect Frank. His initial defenses of Stein & Soup could have been role play, which was discussed here I believe. The "unexplainable" vote on Puddy becomes explainable.

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:11 pm It's a vote I could support. Lynching a civilian who has been ID'd civilian with a godfather still alive would be a gut punch, but that's only relevant if he's a civilian. I think he looks bad.

I am now working under the theory that the remaining two are Whatley/Frank. If Frank has been potentially ID'd as civ, doesn't it make more sense to vote Whatley tonight? (Jerry, I see your vote is currently on Whatley) If Whatley is the Godfather, we know Frank is clear and can spend energy elsewhere. If Whatley is vanillia mafia, we can afford to mis-lynch Frank in pursuit of the Godfather. We run the same risk of getting civ on Whatley as we do Frank. We should at least vote someone who has not been ID'd civ already.

Placing a vote for Whatley now and will be unable to play again until 630pm central. I will be here for end of day discussions and potential vote swap.

George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:21 pm Voting Uncle Leo.

This is a bad idea if you have intentions of winning this game as a civilian.

I was out of town over the weekend and have had a really busy day today. My posts may be crap but I believe most who have read them agree that I am sincere, if nothing else.

Contributions from me should be expected late tonight.

Don't mis-lynch Uncle Leo because he is old and senile and lost.

[quote="Jerry Seinfeld" post_id=376524 time=1508044580 user_id=243]
Why the Peterman vote, @Uncle Leo?

Jerry, Hello!

Vote for Peterman because this is a vote I am comfortable leaving in case I am unable to change it before end of day. More to come.

Tim Whatley wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:43 pm @Uncle Leo, why did you vote Stein day one? Your vote on Puddy, was that you crying "No you?"

Uncle Leo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:07 pmpeterman
-why: hasn't said much of anything substantial. voted for Puddy

Arent you in the same boat?

Am I in the same boat? No. Why would you think i am? I’m pretty sure you know that I don’t believe I am in the same boat. Did you mean to say “you’re in the same boat.” ?

I believe I explained my vote for Stein earlier in the thread. If not, it’s because it was Day 1 and what did I have to go by? Not much. So his quickness to suspect me aroused suspicion in me.

George Costanza wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:46 pm I'm feeling good about you people
Kramer
George Steinbrenner
Uncle Leo
Jerry
Jackie

I got bad feelings about you people
Elaine
The Soup Nazi
Estelle
Dad

I got no feelings about the rest of ya.

George Costanza wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:35 pm <snip>
I'll have to look into Peterman a little more now that you shed light on his inconsistencies.
<...>

He was off your initial list - why? Have you looked into Peterman further as you say in this second quoted post? If so, what is your conclusion?

Elaine Benes wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:37 pm

Elaine Benes wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:36 pm

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:30 pm

Elaine Benes wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:25 pm Lynch Jerry tomorrow. I tracked him. He killed Kramer.

No you didn't, and there's no Mafia role for redirection which could indicate that. I strongly suggest that if you're a civilian, you recant that before the night phase ends -- otherwise you're an easy kill and I'm left looking like a doofus with no defense. You know you didn't track me, so make sure everyone else gets the memo.

I know what I'm doing Jerry. These people are idiots who all belong in cages.

Animals, I meant to say.

At least three of you all belong in cages, not sure about the idiots part, however.

I was very legitimately unable to be present until right this moment. If I had been back before now, I would have changed my vote. That means absolutely nothing though, so you all can ignore it.

I would like to proclaim, again, that I am 100% completely innocent and the perception that I am playing my hand close to my chest is simply due to me NOT being mafia and therefore not having to engage in a verbal circus of misdirection and persuasion.

current working theory:

good:
me, uncle leo
-why? because I am, despite my senior moment with the puddy vote

jerry
-why? Voted for Peterman

steinbrenner
-Why? voted for Peterman after deliberating between Puddy & peterman

frank
-Why? Out of 8 posts, has only (loosely) defended Steinbrenner & Soup Nazi, both of whom voted for Peterman. Vote for puddy is an unexplainable mark against him.

soup nazi
why? voted for peterman


definitely mafia:
peterman
-why: hasn't said much of anything substantial. voted for Puddy

Tear it apart you animals!

And Jerry, a fall from grace, really? That's rough, haven't I always been a good uncle? Who always told you that you print well?

The Soup Nazi wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:19 pm
<snip>

Leo

Why pick on Seinfeld of all the Newman lynchers. Picks up on Yankees mogul's phony slander of him, but doesn't act omgusy about it. Ludicrous notion of me and evil hex putting up a fight to distract the crowd. Up your dosage, old geezer!

Why Jerry? because he is the one that sealed Newman's fate by changing his vote (assuming no further actions were taken). If anything, that initial comment was more about me working in Jerry's incredible cousin Jeffrey, you know, at the Parks department.

I don't agree that the idea of goat kisser & evil hex working together is a "ludicrous notion."

Tim Whatley wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:12 pm So I've just about read everything I'm going to and I have 3 specific points of interest.

What are our thoughts on Jerry? He's a troublemaker.

What are our thoughts on Elaine? She's here, but what has she contributed?

What happened to the Soup Nazi voters? What changed your mind?

I am always suspicious of characters like Jerry who are very vocal and commanding. I agree he's a troublemaker. HOWEVER, I am usually wrong about those people being bad so I have decided to not focus any further on Jerry at this time. This is purely a personal track record issue.

Nothing has changed my mind about Soup Nazi. I am curious what has caused Puddy to distrust me. I distrust his distrust of me and left a vote for him based on that. I am actually uncomfortable voting Puddy with Jerry & Elaine as the other two votes.

David Puddy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:02 pm Trust:
(You) Jerry
George Steinbrenner
(Me) David Puddy

Distrust:
Uncle Leo
The Soup Nazi

But why? I thought I was alright? Does this mean I can't get the insider's deal?

RIP Kramer, the only one to know my real name. UNCLE Leo.

Elaine Benes wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:24 pm

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:15 pm

Elaine Benes wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:10 pmYour uncle said there was a clear victim, but there wasn't. You had the power to pick somebody else. Yet you acted like your uncle gave you the greatest Christmas card in the world, but he didn't. He gave you something besides a Christmas card, and he rubbed your face all in it. And you liked it.

Did you like rubbing your face in your uncle's Christmas card, Jerry?

I had the "power" to pick somebody else, but no actual reason to do that. I had previously stated that I was at peace with a lynch of either Soup Nazi or Newman. Why then would I voluntarily force a coin flip instead of a decisive choice which can more readily be analyzed? I am technically capable of jumping into a bath tub filled with strawberry jam, but I have no particular reason to do that.

I told you that I am judging sincerity and insincerity. That is something different from structural or content validity in an argument. You keep crapping on Uncle Leo's assertion while complaining to me -- do you suspect him for it?

No, Jerry, I suspect you for it. I think your uncle is senile and in need of better eyebrows. You didn't question his presentation of the facts. You accepted what he said as factual even though you could have changed things. There was no certain victim. It was still up in the air! My vote wasn't a throwaway. You took what he said for granted like Newman believing the mailmen would save us from the police.

I need better eyebrows? Are you kidding me?



I’d like to clarify that by “clear victim” I meant that at one particular point in time, nothing needed to change for Newman to be lynched. No more arguing or persuasion from anyone to anyone was required. Anybody could have changed their vote for any reason but the end tally was what it was. (and the result was: Newman was lynched, and Elaine & Soup Nazi, if mafia, were able to provide cover for each other.)


By the way, Elaine, why didn’t I get a Christmas card?

David Puddy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:18 pm I btoke character and posted why no vote. Read the thread or you might be going to hell!!

I rescind my high five because obviously I don't deserve it.

Jerry, Hello! How could you do this to Newman? Your cousin Jeffrey, you know, at the parks department, can't believe you'd get something like this wrong. What a guy that Jeffrey.

So now that that's out of the way,

Newman did very clearly state that he was innocent. On day 1, what more could he have said to indicate that he was "trying?"

For the record, I am a senior citizen with a record (it was a crime of passion!) however, I am innocent of all other crimes.

I am suspicious of Steinbrenner for "latching on to me" as someone put it. It didn't hold or gain traction so it makes sense that he changed his vote. Still, suspicions exist. Call it retaliatory, call it whatever. I know that I am good and until Steinbrenner gives me a reason to change my mind, he is as good a target as I was to him initially.

As for Puddy (high five!), you are good and not going to hell, so why no vote? Were you too busy at a hockey game and forgot?

I would also be suspicious of Elaine & our resident sweetheart, Soup Nazi. Potential throwaway votes against each other (because we had a clear victim with votes stacked up against Newman) "backed up" by phony talk in the thread. I guess we will see how they vote in the future.