The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Aug 21, 2021 8:01 pm @Dyson sphere @motel room play more.

Yeah I might, thanks. My partner was away for a month and everything felt bleak so I kinda jumped in to solve puzzles in my free time. She's back now but I'm down.

Hey cool, good game! Thanks everyone. First game back for me for years, took some warming up

Dyson sphere wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 11:12 am What day was it when I was almost lynched?

You didnt vote for anybody Day 3? You were definitely around that day - any thoughts on the Mizery, me, Radishes wagons?

Radish, pls

Thoughts on TSP nowadays?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:11 pm Dyson feels like he has had enough.

Hey dyson, how often are you this?

Radish voting himself feels this too

[VOTE: Dyson] aubergine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:16 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:14 pm Scotty
4
Voters: RondoDimBuckle, Master Radishes, JaggedJimmyJay, dunya

Wagon was tied for top. Anyone could have shifted at any time. They held fast to the wagon. Nightkill was on wagon. I am taking all of these to be cleared for now. tutuu and Dyson also seem spewed town by Scotty's ISO.

Dyson is the standout here. All of this rationale can be called well-supported except for the rationale pertaining to Dyson.

A scum dyson being "cleared" does fit into the Alison-wasnt-bussing gut feel.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:50 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 10:09 pm Is Alison known for bussing?

Yes

If she was bussing in this game leaving herself alone afterwards, who do you reckon it would have likely been out of her pack?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:58 am Yeah ok let’s do this the right way: everyone who’s checked in and ISNT MotelRoom, the automatic assumption is you tracked MotelRoom. If you didn’t do that, tell me who you tracked please under the veil of secrecy. MotelRoom, you too. Let’s get some cop cover going.

I tracked falcon surprise

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 10:15 am Scotty's mentions of TSP.

Spoiler: show

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:51 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 3:11 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 2:51 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:23 am Rondo hella reactionary though. Can’t shake this feeling, hackles standing up.

But I suck at D1 so maybe I should just pull a Mac and sheep the consensus town

Nah he's just mafia. You're doing well.

Interesting, I dont quite agree with a blatant declaration without any proof to back it up


[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

Note that if you turn out to be bad, this is your teammate just for this random vote.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:38 pm <snipped irrelevant stuff>


I also like how someone (TSP?) said no more mech talk and it just did. Like, why are we not doing any more mech talk? I might be coming around to the whole mass claiming thing

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:55 am <snipped three other reads (tutuu, mizery, mac)>

TSP Lean town- has some mindmelding with some others lien they’re in some sort of secret organization. I don’t remember what his scum game looks like, but he appears to have a firm grasp of the mech stuff. Probably NAI but I lean town

The first post is...interesting. I could pretty easily see Scotty thinking of trying to tie Rondo to w!TSP 'just in case' TSP flipped sooner or later. Otherwise I feel there's not much point to Scotty trying to pre-flip associate two townies together like that.

The third post is his only read on TSP and it comes towards the end of the round when it's clear he's a liable chop. I don't know whether Scotty was going anti-spew already, or just trying to look last-ditch-solvy to prevent himself going over, but it's probably the latter seeing as it was a close vote? In which case he gave some hip-fire reads on a few players and TSP's is...pretty uninspiring. And the slightly jokey 'secret organisation' line feels too casual for my liking.

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GTH I think TSP is more compatible than Mizery based purely on Scottyspew, but they both are so I'm fine with killing either.

Ok, but that second post you quoted looks to me more like they aren't in a team together. Did you include that one to show they were or weren't compatible?

I'm just going to do this in tally order and drop a brain load. Ask questions by all means.

Dyson - Reading through Dyson there are some dodgy takes but they all feel genuine to a degree. He was the counter wagon to Scotty, which going back to one of Scotty's first posts, yeah he was definitely the mafia role guy, so bussing Dyson wouldn't be the end of the world. Alison clears Dyson because of this. Actually pushed it really hard (#1265,#1268 - I dont think Alison and Nanook are a secret team from the second response there). But its to angle the people on Dyson's wagon - these peeps Voters: NotAnAxehole, TonyStarkPrime, falcon45ca, Scotty. I'm not even still talking about Dyson am I? Ok I think she knows he's town. Also, cynical me says Alison would have bussed a Dyson partner.

falcon - I've switched on my read of falcon. If he was scum, the last scum, and so low in everybody's reads list or the POE things that have taken mafia by storm since I played last, I think he would have tried something. But he's just kept on contributing pretty consistent across the days probably knowing one of these days is falcon lynch to cross him off.

jjj - When jjj was here he was town. Last couple of days I could imagine there being a surprising twist but I dont think thats whats happening. And I dont think thats how jjj would want to win as scum.

Radishes - Thinking on this. Did vote Scotty on a non-guaranteed lynch but still.

Nanook - A read through of him feels light and towny. And like the conclusion I came to above I dont think he was a team with Alison.

Axehole - I feel like Axehole is solving the game how he does it, however he does it. Showed no mercy to Alison. This looked real - #1351. Also I want to always remember his view of "following a plan" as something that town so rarely does.

TSP - Also thinking on this, at least he seems more helpful the last few days.

tutuu - She's the one I could totally see being bad and going "oh yeah i was bad i forgot to say". She never seems to believe her reads or something. But whenever I go and try to read her presence in the thread it seems genuine. So looking at her posts and beats on their own, I could tinfoil a bad read, but as a whole she has to be town right

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 10:39 pm I’m not clear on what either of you are suggesting with regard to Radishes. Is that Alison post good or bad for him?

Potentially bad.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 10:07 pm

motel room wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 9:11 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:19 pm My reads haven't really changed. I continue to feel comfortable with my POE ordering and nothing has made me question my townclears. My legacy is clear, and I think it's also fairly uncontroversial: go motel first, then TSP, then nanook, then Axe/Falcon and you should win. Kill me to assuage your doubts if you must; we have space for an extra misexe if both scum are contained in those five names. Reasses at LyLo in case it's MR slipping past the cracks or something, but until then I feel that this game is going in the right direction and should be kept on rails. A mafia died D1 and left behind clear spew and clear wagonomics; we should play properly based on that. Don't let people in the POE cause chaos or try to open it up with tinfoil and shade-throwing on townie but framable slots like Mizery or MR before LyLo. Don't ever leave motel alive past D3 if you kill me.

This post is interesting. Since Alison's death we do seem to be going for what she called "townie but frameable slots" like Mizery and now MR. I don't know what that means.

Where does she put her teammate knowing there's a chance she dies.

Hmmm, that's a good post to quote. Notice she puts MR at LYLO for a re-asses, but not before. In fact, she seems particularly concerned about leaving MR be and not to get caught in "chaos or tinfoil"

Yeah and there's no way MR makes it to lylo with the players that were around at the time.

I feel like what she said in reference to me about bussing puts her in a bad position as scum was true. I'm leaning towards thinking she soft towncleared her partner.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:19 pm My reads haven't really changed. I continue to feel comfortable with my POE ordering and nothing has made me question my townclears. My legacy is clear, and I think it's also fairly uncontroversial: go motel first, then TSP, then nanook, then Axe/Falcon and you should win. Kill me to assuage your doubts if you must; we have space for an extra misexe if both scum are contained in those five names. Reasses at LyLo in case it's MR slipping past the cracks or something, but until then I feel that this game is going in the right direction and should be kept on rails. A mafia died D1 and left behind clear spew and clear wagonomics; we should play properly based on that. Don't let people in the POE cause chaos or try to open it up with tinfoil and shade-throwing on townie but framable slots like Mizery or MR before LyLo. Don't ever leave motel alive past D3 if you kill me.

This post is interesting. Since Alison's death we do seem to be going for what she called "townie but frameable slots" like Mizery and now MR. I don't know what that means.

Where does she put her teammate knowing there's a chance she dies.

Yeah I sort of feel like its not falcon. And weirdly NotAn Axehole is my most confident townread - as in, I can see other towns being a surprise mafia but he's been his own townrock.

Fuck mafia all dried up

Mizery wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 2:53 pm > If you think I'm scum bussing motel room just vote them. The game is unwinnable for a solo mafia Alison in this position if I bus my partner today so you should have no worries in that regard.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Me and one other person know she was not bussing her partnaaaaaaaa

That is where I voted falcon, and one of you or TSP could still be bad.

Fwiw I live in Australia and end of day is at like 5am. So as far as "vanity" wagons go, I did have a laugh when I saw no one apart from me on TSP come night 2.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:42 pm u woofin @motel room ?

Nope, honest true blue town bloke.

Heh yeah

Ok well I'm down to pop a vote on Mizery, hammer if you all want to.

[VOTE: Mizry] aubergine

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:17 pm

motel room wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:14 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:11 pm misery -> motel room -> nanook -> falcon -> dyson

in this order is my list of 5

Is the me thing because of Alison's casing of me?

yes

alison hard defened misery, hard pushed you, and ignored everyone else

i think the simplest answer given the situation the mafia were, is that alison would choose to hard push her buddy instead of hard defending them or ignoring them

(that being said im choosing to hypothethically vote mizery over what i think is the simplest anwer)

also you made a post where you were like "damn, why are u all saying alison is the one who came up with the plan to push me .... it suck that yall think it was her idea xD" - that could have been an open wolf post of expression that you're disappointed that we don't think high enough of scum you to be able to come up with such a plan, and instead attributing it to alison

True, could have been. Its not but could be. Cool just checking.

If Alison's case caught traction and I was lynched and flipped town, what would you see Alison's next move being?

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:11 pm misery -> motel room -> nanook -> falcon -> dyson

in this order is my list of 5

Is the me thing because of Alison's casing of me?

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 9:53 pm I'd order my POE as follows, towniest to scummiest:
NAA
Nanook
TSP
Falcon
motel

I continue to feel satisfied with my clears, and I think following this POE should win the game.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:36 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:34 am Six confident town reads, if correct, mean the game is locked and everything else is just time spent waiting for the inevitable. It'd be cool if folks could gimme six town reads or more if they've not already.

JJJ, Rondo, MR, tutuu, Dyson, Mac. I'm confident in all of 'em.

I will do this though -

Alison's scum reads didnt really change much over her game except swapping Mac from bad to good early on. And those are her town reads when jjj pushed her. And one name is missing from both.

I dont have much time today (today-today, tomorrow should be better) because of work but at this point I'm happy to jump on a wagon. I'm happy to be the wagon if it goes that way too, it doesnt seem like it'll affect my chances of winning but three in a row would be nice.

No tracker gift here.

Righty-o

I can get off TSP and on to falcon if thats better

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 3:52 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:23 pm The current wagon state is very interesting though.

Motel/Nanook not voting Alison here even though Alison is pushing Motel Room. This is a pretty decent look for Motel Room imo, and if Alison is town, also Nanook.

Tutuu voting Motel over TSP interests me slightly. @tutuu got words for this for me? Sorry if I am making you repeat yourself.

I scumread alison and im convinced shes ww with motel room, somehow i townread TSP for his chillax attitude

Really? You went from Pepe Silvia crazy theory to convinced pretty quick. But fair enough, I'm not doubting you too hard today.

From the townreads tutuu going all over the place suspicion-wise has me most double guessing, but now I think Rondo going all over the place vote-wise is weirdly him being careful.

I like this - 3 on falcon, 3 on Alison, 3 on TSP.

Nice, Rondo is good

I think we can assume from Dyson's posts he isnt a role giver.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 4:43 pm

motel room wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 7:14 pmBit of a gap then
Rondo - I know he put the last vote on Scotty that got him lynched but I felt that there was a strong possibility they were team mates based on interactions

I would like to hear more about this, motel room.

I had a bunch of time at work on the Friday and went through Scotty interactions, it was vibe related and looking for soft touches.
I had this post pegged as a little nuzzle - #237 - super minor but in that way that two scum dont want to never talk to each other but dont want to do anything huge.
And vice versa this one looked like a soft defence of Scotty being a "mischop" at the time - #966 - which later, given Rondo gave the final vote on a legit scum Scotty, may have helped to clear him.

Its Day 1 stuff but I havent ruled out Rondo is all. I dont really feel like he's helping either.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 9:44 am

motel room wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 6:56 pm I dont know about the stuff Scotty did but "the slot" named dunya that accused me also was happy with my response. You think that's why she died overnight?

You have a very strong agenda here Alison. It feels like it doesnt match what you're offering.
I think the most negative thing about me is that I townread Scotty yesterday but yet that didnt come up here.

This bugs me. I mean, it's "caught for the wrong reasons" verbalized in a very literal form.

I guess it can look like that. Its actually "suspected for bad reasons". Does nobody read my posts? Do you think the weight of Alison's case on me has any natural progression?

The worst part about this Alison and me sudden team up theory is that apparently she must have been the one to come up with the plan

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:54 am

motel room wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:53 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:51 am

motel room wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:50 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:47 am [VOTE: MacDouggyDugDog ] aubergine

Did you get given a role at least though?

Wait I got given a role?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 7:36 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:24 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:23 pm Mac is confirmed mafia but also confirmed town so long as he remains an un-countered power role claim. The latter trumps the former.

he's neither lol i think he's obv vanilla town trying to bait

or maybe scum trying to look like VT trying to bait

but 0% town PR zero imma eat a sandal yeah

nope and I also lied about having given out a role n0

I gave rondo the cop checks last night

Why is he alive if he claimed role giver? :think:

I can think of a few reasons - because he would have given away the roles even if he got killed? Because WIFOM? Because he's actually faking it or bad?

Do you have a reason in mind?

Mac, are you still around for this?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:53 am No I checked I am villager town. TMI?

[VOTE: Motel Room ] aubergine

What was with the Alison vote then?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:51 am

motel room wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:50 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:47 am [VOTE: MacDouggyDugDog ] aubergine

Did you get given a role at least though?

Wait I got given a role?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 7:36 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:24 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:23 pm Mac is confirmed mafia but also confirmed town so long as he remains an un-countered power role claim. The latter trumps the former.

he's neither lol i think he's obv vanilla town trying to bait

or maybe scum trying to look like VT trying to bait

but 0% town PR zero imma eat a sandal yeah

nope and I also lied about having given out a role n0

I gave rondo the cop checks last night

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:47 am [VOTE: MacDouggyDugDog ] aubergine

Did you get given a role at least though?

Lol is that what I think it is?

Waiting for Rondo and Dyson to visit

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:23 am I feel that motel room is town

I also feel that you're town, roleclaim aside.

And with all this feeling going on: Fuck Mafia.

I'm ok with a vote for Falcon, Alison or Tony today the way I'm going

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:38 pm I asked Syn what was the repercussion of posting beyond the cap, and was handcuffed by losing my vote. I asked for a 10 post forgiveness and was told no.

So it wasnt a coin flip that killed Scotty, your vote didnt count?

Was anybody else aware of this at the end of the day? I didnt see it mentioned.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 9:42 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 9:37 pm I don't have much to add from what I've said before. motel has contributed 0 to the collective attempt to hammer out a POE that has been going on today. They pop in, OMGUS me, pop out. I am still very happy to kill them.

Adding onto this: they're driven by self-preservation to a degree that seems uncharacteristic for town. Everyone else, even players in the POE, has been focusing more trying to figure out who they clear, who they trust, who they would POE, etc, and negotiating or collaborating with other town players to figure that out. There is a sense that as long as we can reach a good consensus about the POE we should be fine, even if the person in question is on it. I don't think motel is vibing with that sense at all, and they have focused one of their two posts today on attacking me for suspecting them (not on proffering reasons why my suspicions are invalid - just on suggesting that I have suspected them due to an agenda on my part) and the other on giving a static readslist and dipping. I'm not seeing much desire to engage with others, in an atmosphere where I think town would be very likely to want to do so.

Attacking? I just think your reason is weak and explained why, and yet your commitment against me is massive.

So massive that you are comparing other reads as to how they would work as my partner despite saying you havent really read the thread. You have absolutely come into this game with me as your target and seeing as I know thats wrong that's suspicious as fuck.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 9:42 pm I skimmed the thread a bit during my hiatus, and the only thing that stuck out to me was motel. His push on me is the only that feels opportunistic tbh.

Opportunistic based on my read of you or a different kind of opportunistic? Also: why?

Also you're talking about my Day 1 vote right? Which happened before way before your hiatus just then.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 7:45 pm i'm confused why we aren't just hosing down the dyson voters?

Dyson sphere
4
Voters: NotAnAxehole, TonyStarkPrime, falcon45ca, Scotty

surely scotty isn't the only mafia voting on the c/w

Agreed that there is probably one more mafia in there. I doubt all three voted on the same wagon, scum are super aware of doing that I think.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 6:55 pm

motel room wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 6:39 pm It was a vibe read. I remember him being a funny guy and I felt he was being light and funny. That's pretty much it.

Any idea who might be engaging in the mafia-styled bonking around here?

My lowest reads after the flip are
Falcon - I still think he's a good chance of scum. When I saw the tally in the morning it looked like falcon (at 3 votes) was a valid lynch and people who voted Dyson may have been staying away from either wagon, but it looks like it didnt go down that way necessarily - Falcon had 2 for most of that late period until Mizery voted Falcon late. Anyway that's not on Falcon so much as he hasn't vibed well for me, grey. And recent posts just add to that.
Alison - is now down there (I didnt even have lost monkey on my list before) for that entry against me. Lets see how that plays out.

Bit of a gap then
Rondo - I know he put the last vote on Scotty that got him lynched but I felt that there was a strong possibility they were team mates based on interactions
TonyStarkPrime - Very arms length from everything. I cant really feel what he's trying to figure out in a game about trying to figure out things.
NotAnAxehole - his reads are very different to mine, which hey could be totally wrong. My main suspicion of him is that he was voting for Scotty but then unvoted him at a bad time to join the Dyson wagon

Nanook, dyson and Mac in the middle. Cool with everybody else at the moment.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:12 pm Good afternoon. I will not backread anything except Scotty's ISO.

[VOTE: motel room] aubergine

Hence the vote?

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:19 pm I am sorry but you will not get top form Alison this game. I was on a month break from mafia for personal reasons and I only subbed into this game to help Syn out. JJJ killed a scum D1 so I will sheep him. Mac is probably scum for voting town JJJ. Nanook is probably scum for sheeping Mac onto a bad vote. motel room is probably scum because Scotty treated him really awkwardly. tutuu says there's some interactions with falcon and I think she's town so I'll trust her.

That's all I have for now.

Oh there's the reason way down the list? He treated me awkwardly. Definitely the one on the list that demands the super confident entry vote from earlier.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:57 pm If you see both partners tied at max votes, you don't sit on a vanity wagon. You hammer one to get bus cred, and then townread the other for being the counterwagon to flipped scum. Not concerned about Dyson + Mizery at all.

You should probably be rating motel lower than you currently are. Scotty awkwardly attacked Dyson for pointing out that motel's discord stuff is NAI. The slot that first accused motel of being scum with an angleshooty read got killed in the night. Scotty said "I could vote motel I guess" once and then never actually did it. motel is also a candidate for being one of the people too afk to save Scotty. They are my top scum read.

I dont know about the stuff Scotty did but "the slot" named dunya that accused me also was happy with my response. You think that's why she died overnight?

You have a very strong agenda here Alison. It feels like it doesnt match what you're offering.
I think the most negative thing about me is that I townread Scotty yesterday but yet that didnt come up here.

Oh sorry!