The Syndicate

TheFloyd73 wrote:
motel room wrote:oh oh and this
MacDougall wrote:RYM final 3! Woo go us.
was also cos all three of us were australians so if there was arguing going down there was a better chance I'd be around for it.
Wait, you're Australian too?

Yep melbournian.

oh oh and this

MacDougall wrote:RYM final 3! Woo go us.

was also cos all three of us were australians so if there was arguing going down there was a better chance I'd be around for it.

the game would have gone differently if wedidnt somehow lynch the cop on Day 1. Enrique was on to me. And Wilgy was awesome with his cop gambit and picking two of us immediately also. Diiny had nothing but heat on him all game and mac smelled my ashes. Lotsa good shit. Thanks for the game MM!

well thank fuck thats over.

Sorry I couldn't pull out a win scum dudes but ehhh I feel so gross.

Congrats town

TheFloyd73 wrote:
motel room wrote:uh is that it then?
Too calm of a response to my vote.
I think I've made the right decision.

yeah mate you did

uh is that it then?

MacDougall wrote:Floyd put your vote on motel room.

Need I remind you that motel room voted against the Diiny wagon on lylo day. There's no alternative here. If I was the bad guy I'd have changed my vote to Epi on that day and it would have been a scum win.

Think about it.

You weren't around either. You were just as likely to be scum as Floyd from this point and I went into Day whatever it was thinking that cos I knew there was a busser on the Diiny wagon.

Mac your reason for voting Diiny that day was that weird elaborate thing where you thought I was avoiding the main lynch wagons (Diiny or Floyd) so you went with Diiny over Floyd. But then after being told there was still a day left you had 24 hours to change your vote but didn't

MacDougall wrote:Yeah sorry that certainly changes things.

Then again I have had a motel room neg read forever.

I have to admit I dunno shit.

but then later used it as an example of your towniness

MacDougall wrote:Me - I voted early for the confirmed scum on a day that if I simply voted for Epignosis (who I had scum read more than I had read Diiny tbh so I could have easily done so), the scum would have won the game.

Diiny and MP jumped on my Epi lynch late in the day. There's no evidence of you in the thread. You just weren't around to switch off him before EOD.

MacDougall wrote:How could you say that it's a scum win with one vote on you already while at the same time accusing me of being bad?

If I'm bad, you only need to accuse Floyd that I'm bad and the scum haven't won.

Yahhhhhhhh.

Because that's one locked in vote with days worth of you "tunnelling" me behind it. Obviously we went into this day with me as the main lynch candidate. Hence scum win.

MacDougall wrote:You've stopped short of saying you think I'm bad.

I'm waiting to see if Floyd takes this opportunity to end the game. He's here and has no reason not to vote me now if he's scum.

And if he isn't scum, yeah it's you.

MacDougall wrote:Alright Floyd, don't fall for it. This is what I was talking about.

Actually, I like this "what I was talking about part". You've pretty much made all possible outcome guesses hey

MacDougall wrote:Does anyone else observing this game have a bad feeling that Floyd or sig are going to come here and derp the fuck out of this situation?

I have a really bad feeling one of them will...

MacDougall wrote:I'm confident Motel Room is just taking the odds to being able to convince you that Floyd or vice versa by voting for MP. Be wary.

MacDougall wrote:
sig wrote:Is this sarcasm, I can't tell at this point in the night.

I'd say the scum are lying low and hoping the civs duke it out. Or yourmafia and have us all fooled.
Not sarcasm. I'd say they are doing just what you are saying. They are probably resigned to the fact that MP is dying and setting up for motel room to kill me then play you and Floyd off against each other.

MacDougall wrote:In actuality though now that I think about it, motel room is probably more likely to kill one of you and try to convince the other that I'm bad, probably kill you and try convince Floyd.

MacDougall wrote:sig, motel room and MP are about to change their votes to me and hope that you hammer me. If you do it, you will go down as an all time idiot.

Bases: covered.

MacDougall wrote:To me, you and he were equally obviously scum. What made him scummy made you scummy.

So you think I'm the villain huh?

Oh really but yeah lets try voting me out first and hey look MP follows suit.

I don't know but its basically scum win with one vote on me already.

MacDougall wrote:
motel room wrote:You were always going to vote me anyway. Yesterday when you voted me first over the obvious scum MP what the fuck was that?
Ahhh here we go! Excellent.

Civ motel room would have given up by now, you're starting to try to make me out to be the bad guy.

Alright Floyd, don't fall for it. This is what I was talking about.

When have I ever given up? What are you basing that on that's never happened. The least I can do, and yeah sometimes all I do is the least, is fight back as town til the end.

You were always going to vote me anyway. Yesterday when you voted me first over the obvious scum MP what the fuck was that?

MacDougall wrote:But it's all good because I would vote for you anyway. If Floyd is bad, congrats to him, but he could have won the game with ease two days ago anyway and it was that day that made it impossible to vote for anyone but you right now.

"impossible"? jesus. I voted the guy I wanted to vote. I have no idea idea if they stayed off that wagon intentionally or not I doubt it but what difference does it make if they get the win at the end right.

MacDougall wrote:I will say that if by some amazingly unlikely circumstance that Floyd is bad... It's a big turnaround in play style.

In fact, he had his vote on Diiny and MP every day. Diiny every day until he was lynched and his vote was on Diiny on the day he was lynched before anyone.

His reads in this game were confident scum reads of Diiny and MP and barely nobody else.

Diiny and MP didn't vote for each other at all...

Floyd only voted for them.

Nah it's gotta be motel room, but there is a small niggle. It's small but it's there. How did Floyd get so good at reading the scum?

Did you post this before or after you voted?

mac you already voted?

MovingPictures07 wrote:
MacDougall wrote:It doesn't matter which of them we lynch, they're both scum. Leave the vote the way it is and let it coin flip I don't care.
Bullsuit.

You and motel room are the final two, and you're securing the town's loss with my lynch.

I guess we don't deserve it after they way I played, but I hate to be the one to ruin the civilians' chances.

heh at least this is funny.

Eh I don't think last one left is mac either.

i've been arguing with other departments at work cos I'm a guy with responsibilities and action plans and shit now apparently and now I have to do it here too ok

i mean at least I don't get paid to do it here

MovingPictures

MacDougall wrote:I think motel room and MP are the bad guys here.

I believe yesterday's poll was split into town and bad. There is no reason a scum would have had their vote on Diiny at the end of the day with the poll split the way it was. If there was a civ on the counterwagon all they had to do to win was jump off one lynch wagon to the other.

Game is over. Motel and MP are bad.

You've been painting me scummy all game man. And this is for whoever else is town too - It's not fucking me. I guess I was the vote that all the scum should have piled on but the fact that they didnt means one that there was a busser in the Diiny wagon and two that they weren't present at end of day. Diiny and MP screaming like all hell definitely makes them a team that wanted the finish line.

Sig would've ended it if he was scum, agreed.

You weren't around at end of day and neither was Floyd. Why are you voting me over MP? This is Still lylo and we Still need to not vote town or scum win and we're this close to turning around this game.

yep long, its the weekend im not gonna be around much

MovingPictures07 wrote:What do you mean by fake votes? You lost me there.

scum votes.

I dunno, I think Mac's town. That bit before where he was concerned about my "shenanigans" voting off-bandwagon when he thought there was less than an hour left doesn't seem like something a scum would be concerned about. and I think it seemed legit, not staged.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
motel room wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
motel room wrote:there's a lot of little separate shit going on that I want to get my head around but I'm somewhere like this right now:

MacDougall
MovingPictures07
Epignosis
sig
a2thezebra
TheFloyd73
JaggedJimmyJay
Diiny
If this is the case, then why isn't motel room voting for Diiny right now, and why for his 3rd top read?
that was then, this is now. And I see you've put some work into casing Epi too so are you even suss of me for where my vote is right now?
I'm ISOing Epi. What does that have to do with my feelings for you?

Yes, I'm suspicious of it.

Can you provide a new reads list? Or, if not, would you mind telling me what has changed between then and now which has caused your flip in opinion on Diiny versus Epi?

Who would you ideally like to lynch today and why?

Because of his flip. i'm worried that if Diiny ends up being town the fake votes today would surely be directed at him and an out of nowhere reversal in that direction with not much to back it up is that, spot on.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
motel room wrote:there's a lot of little separate shit going on that I want to get my head around but I'm somewhere like this right now:

MacDougall
MovingPictures07
Epignosis
sig
a2thezebra
TheFloyd73
JaggedJimmyJay
Diiny
If this is the case, then why isn't motel room voting for Diiny right now, and why for his 3rd top read?

that was then, this is now. And I see you've put some work into casing Epi too so are you even suss of me for where my vote is right now?

MacDougall wrote:
motel room wrote:this is some softcock shit. No movement in hours. yeahh this is how we'll turn it around.

Ok I'm trying on the pants. ISOs.
Lol yeah right.

Priorities.

shaddup.

lol actually no, just got a msg - pub first. Then this.

this is some softcock shit. No movement in hours. yeahh this is how we'll turn it around.

Ok I'm trying on the pants. ISOs.

There's about 24 hours left

MacDougall wrote:You just found a really round about way to put your vote on someone who is almost certain not to get lynched. You are 100% definitely bad.

why is he not getting lynched? and why do you think its staying there? sometimes you just have to try a thing

MacDougall wrote:Lynch Floyd. It's our best chance at continuing the game. If he turns out to be a civilian well that's tough.

maybe later

Epi

Epignosis wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:I would prefer a Diiny lynch over JJJ because I think that JJJ is more likely to be misunderstood (and extremely unlucky) this game, but I'm content with either lynch and I'm willing to switch to JJJ if there's a CFD on a player I'm less confident about than the two currently leading the votes.
I don't see how 3J is more likely to be misunderstood. Diiny has been in the hot seat for a while now. I understand 3J a hell of a lot better than I understand Diiny. You were, after all, comfortable enough a moment ago to call 3J Diiny's teammate, yet you'd only switch to 3J under certain circumstances?

That has me wondering about you now.

page later

Epignosis wrote: On two of three occasions, MP and MacDougall both voted in a way that could keep Diiny from being lynched.

Ordinarily, one might think Mafia MP would throw Diiny under the bus, but without knowing the state of the existence of a doctor, the Mafia would surmise that lynching 3J would put them on the fast track to the final stage.

Four confirmed civilians have voted Diiny over the span of three Days.

TheFloyd73 has voted Diiny early every Day. I am struggling to understand how Floyd, with a team, would continue to do that- because if we're going by Talking Heads, I did not see that kind of voting from him. For that reason, and the fact that 3J ended up civilian, I don't see Floyd being on a team. I see him coasting in a genuine manner.

More later. Supper and band practice now.

fucking cirque du soleil. And none of that second part is actually anti-Diiny. It's a defence of Floyd and a soft suggestion of a MP\Mac suspicion.

Epi rising.

Diiny wrote:Civilians vote for other civilians. It's probably why I'm alive right now.

what

i dont trust my read of MP right now he feels like a blind spot

Diiny wrote:a townie at this point has a 50% chance of voting for scum if they don't vote for themselves is the idea I think

I see.

Why are you answering for him?

TheFloyd73 wrote:Why doesn't everyone explain their votes? When did I ever vote for you as self preservation? I've voted for you again because it's simple, you're scum.

^ @Diiny, then

TheFloyd73 wrote:does anyone reckon Mp might be scum?

You seem dead certain that Diiny is scum but floating the idea at no one in particular that MP might be scum based off a isolated rainbow MP did on Day 2 where he puts zebra low. I remember doing a thing like this as scum when I was newer because you can be rock solid on a scum read when you Know you're right but then have to drum up a case so that it looks like you have more than one in the works. Like if anyone is accusing you of not shifting your reads since page 2.

i agree Diiny seems scummy but why are you so sure? I don't know what your reason is. Humour me here

Epignosis wrote:I have 50% shot at being right at this point. No one will lynch Floyd. So motel room it is.

Where did you pull this percentage from? Especially now that I see your vote is elsewhere anyway.

Also, why do you think no one will lynch Floyd?

sig wrote:
MacDougall wrote:So lylo huh. This is pretty fucked hahaha.
No he said we weren't at lylo, that means we have another phase before that. I need to think some things over I really thought 3J was mafia.

It's basically lylo ffs.

MacDougall wrote:
Epignosis wrote:And I'm voting motel room.
Me too.

No to both of you im not scum get in the sea

Its busy at work today but this being potentially lylo i'll be back to fight cos I'm not keen on being the goat that gets lynched and loses it for town. Again.

Diiny

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Zebra, can you summarize why you feel my stated suspicion of Epi was opportunistic? I don't think I could have chosen a more difficult "opportunity" if that's the case -- Epi always bites back.

wait no here this

Diiny wrote:
motel room wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Diiny wrote:lmao is it confirmed that wilgy's bullshitting now? talking about a thought process that mechanically couldn't have happened?
No fuckin shit.
So, concession?
Coy.
Also I'm gonna come right the fuck out and say I'm not sure what jay's post or motel's post mean here. Someone explain. Was concession supposed to read confession?

I'll use this as a jumping off point. Here's what I don't like about the JJJ vibe im seeing this game.

Suggesting a concession\confession is never going to result in anything except a safe place for a scum to put a vote in my experience. I've never seen anyone just shrug and give up, so this looks like a subtle explanation for where his vote ends up. Doesn't seem like a usual JJJ response.

i think there's a post somewhere also where he says why his pressure and vote on Epi was the tougher thing to do and should be viewed as town that didn't turn me on but I can't find it right now and need to jump on a conference call at work but looks like I'll be around for EOD today.

Diiny wrote:
motel room wrote:there's a lot of little separate shit going on that I want to get my head around but I'm somewhere like this right now:

MacDougall
MovingPictures07
Epignosis
sig
a2thezebra
TheFloyd73
JaggedJimmyJay
Diiny
Wait since when am I your scummiest and why? Last you said about me as far as I can tell from ctrl f is saying you didn't think I was scum. What the fuque.

You have 2 posts about J as far as I can tell and said you didn't particularly want to lynch floyd.

There's so little in your ph. Why are your baddies bad.

I think i said I wasn't as certain you were scum when Wilgy was saying you were def scum and Enrique was saying you were def scum. But you have this throwing everything on the wall and seeing what sticks feel to your posts when I read them, especially in your argument with zebra this was you

Floyd has done nothing but silently vote you since the vibe on him seems to have shifted to town-friendly.

Epi how do you feel about Floyd right here right now?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'll expand on why I completely dismissed Epignosis when he questioned Mac and I for being unwilling to lynch Floyd before him. It's an important component of why I still have a mafia read on Epi. Some people brought up RYM #82. I think only motel room (underlined to get his attention) played in it, so I'm going to need you (aokiji) to help me out here by confirming or denying what I say. I'm going to draw a parallel.

In that game, my mafia strategy was very simple -- make people think I'm MrMungbean's team mate (he was town), and always keep him one step ahead of me on the tally. The benefit was two-fold. First, if Mungbean is lynched and flips town, that suspicion evaporates. Second, if I am lynched before Mungbean, then my mafia flip will be all people need to lynch him next. Toward the end of the game, I shifted to a position that'd facilitate him going before me because it'd force town into an early LyLo or near-LyLo scenario from which they couldn't recover.

They lynched him at LyLo and lost the game.

In this setup, we're never very far from LyLo. 10 vs 3 to start is already a daunting ratio, and two mislynches leaves us at LyLo eve if a townie is lynched again (as we're on course for currently). Epi's insistence that Floyd should be lynched before him, and that people who don't acknowledge that are inherently suspicious for it, looks to me quite a lot like what I pulled in RYM #82. Epi has noted that some players (Mac and I) associated him and Floyd as team mates, and he's playing into it by doing nothing to argue the notion and keeping Floyd one step in front of him in the tally -- or at least he's trying to.

This might be an overly personal parallel to draw. I don't know. But it's in my head and it's affecting my read. I'll allow you folks to judge as you may, and I do reiterate that I need motel room's input especially because he's the only player who can really understand what I'm trying to say unfortunately.

Yes I played this game and yep I remember you saying that post game, and him being lynched over you but I don't remember personally thinking that there was a link between you guys but that might have been cos I was busy being dead pretty early on. So I can vouch for this being a thing you said, true. But in all honesty I have no idea how it went down in practice so I can't tie it to it being a thing here.

Epi went visibly hard on Floyd from word Go and in my mind if he had pursued it all tunnel vision without straying, that then\now would have looked scummy to me. People gave him heat for it on Day 1 but come Day 3 he actually has only had his vote on Floyd when it counts once. That looks to me like he's genuine and his death-to-floyd approach was just a ballsy way to start the game. So I hear you saying he's doing a similar link than what you say you did in that RYM game but without going back to check just yet I'm willing to bet yours was much more subtle and his is just loud?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
motel room wrote:some things:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:*prolonged fart noise*

Good night y'all.
^ this was the same response JJJ had in RYM #82 after working a bullshit case on me, we argued, then I flipped town. Lest we forget.
Let's go on a wild adventure into Mafia threads past.

RYM #82 (JJJ is mafia)

RYM #84 (JJJ is town)

Recruitment IV (JJJ is at the time unrecruited neutral)

Economics Mafia (JJJ is town)

Bullets over Broadway (JJJ is town)

Let's face it... I like saying that.

yeah ok fair, I just remembered your fake reaction to My lynch vividly.

sig wrote:
motel room wrote:
FZ. wrote:zebra, care to place a bet on me being scum? If you win, name your prize
FZ
Good to be playing another game with you motel don’t lynch me this time. Speaking of lynched why did you vote for FZ?

hi sig.

I voted FZ cos that seemed like a rash defence at a weird time and thought more pressure was the way to go.

sig wrote:
motel room wrote:
Enrique wrote:Any other thoughts, motel room?
I will say that I agree with you that I think it's unlikely that there was a successful scum peek. I will also say that I'm considering voting for you today.
Why?

He seemed like he was thrown at the "cop" reveal by Wilgy and read it as scummy. Turns out he was thrown but because he Was the cop.

You said in your other post that it was obvious he was the "seer". What do you mean by that? Did you actually see clues or are you just saying that to seem on the level?

sig wrote:
motel room wrote:
Enrique wrote:
motel room wrote:
Enrique wrote:Any other thoughts, motel room?
I will say that I agree with you that I think it's unlikely that there was a successful scum peek. I will also say that I'm considering voting for you today.

Anything else? On, you know, anything that's being discussed.
you don't want to know why I'd be suspicious of you?
Why not just say why your suspicious of him?

On day 1 I have two things - my rolecard and the penis swinging between my legs. Sometimes I just throw shit at ppl to see how they react and when he didn't seem to want to hear what he'd done to get me suss of him I figured he wasn't in a rush to get whatever potentially damning evidence I had seen in to the thread.

there's a lot of little separate shit going on that I want to get my head around but I'm somewhere like this right now:

MacDougall
MovingPictures07
Epignosis
sig
a2thezebra
TheFloyd73
JaggedJimmyJay
Diiny

a2thezebra wrote:This post, MP. WIFOM is a bridge, and when the WIFOM ends you're either on the side with town or the side against town. I saw this post and concluded that Wilgy was on the wrong side.

DrWilgy wrote:So I'm still out of town and don't have time to catch up before EOD. I have suspicions towards Diiny and FZ still. I don't feel comfortable with how close I am to being lynched, Diiny would you be willing to change off me to FZ? I will as well

zebra can you have one more go at explaining this? None of this reads like WIFOM to me. I don't get your explanation.

And Diiny, I see one actual point (that zebra switched vote to Wilgy) and a shitload of arm-waving.

MacDougall wrote:Was he bad in that game?

he was scum-killing-town-while-town-tried-to-discern-who-was-scum scum.

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