The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote:I coined a new term in my head during this game: Quinfoil.

Golf clap

Because I certainly would have, were I you.

Quin, did you scream at your computer when you flipped scum?

speedchuck, you had me second-guessing myself the whole time.

Great rogue play, my friend.

sprityo, fascistic game, I loved the flavor and the setup and the paranoia and it was awesome.

Everyone, thank you for making my return to mafia an awesome one. I'm sorry I was so absent; it bothered me the whole time because that's not my meta.

Y'all're baller.

Hell.

juliets wrote: ~ He is mafia savvy enough to have made up his role

For the sake of argument, are you implying that you're not savvy?

A backup doctor would be a convenient fakeclaim, because, at surface value, it holds water if someone else is a doctor. And correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you claim after Quin flipped?

Yeah, it means I get the rolecard telling me I'm a revenge killer, and then I choose who dies if I die. In this instance (and all other revenge killer roles I've seen in past games), I get to choose nightly.

As far as I understand a revenge killer role, they don't count as a 'visit'. It's like the mafia comes to kill them, and they panic and shoot someone with a shotgun as they die. Maybe sprityo works it differently, but unless someone tracked me, I'm not seeing the relevance.

Not at the moment, no, but whenever you manage to wrestle your speedchuck thoughts, I'd love to hear them.

Yeah, as (I think...?) I said before, that makes MP look pretty good to me. I'm just trying to get updated, condensed, consolidated perspectives and feels on all of our claims.

Mine: revenge-killer, only if nk'd. Targets, in order:
N1 Jay
N2 [missed the night phase]
N3 LC
N4 Quin
N5 Fred
N6 [deliberately did not set target because we had low numbers and I didn't want to chance being wrong, getting nk'd (if still applicable), and then losing town the game]

Actually, same inquiries:

speedchuck and MP: quick summary of your claims and the results of such claims, por favor?

And then speed and juliets say why they feel MP's claim is believable, and MP and juliets say why speed's is believable.

That is what I wanted to know, yes, thankyew.

I don't mean this as an implication of suspicion; I'm just trying to cover the bases. But hey speedchuck and MP/KoFM, why do you find juliets's claim believable?

Strawhenge wrote:juliets, would you mind just briefly breaking down for me what your role is, who you targeted, and what the result(s) was/were?

Also I'm going to be taking off for the night in about 20 minutes. I have a date*.

read: exercise in futility that will likely result in, at best, a weekend comprised of long stretches of video games in the dark, plus bourbon

juliets, would you mind just briefly breaking down for me what your role is, who you targeted, and what the result(s) was/were?

juliets wrote:No, its not me. Its either Straw or speed and whichever one it is has played a great game.

Well, I haven't played a great game, so...

Speedchuck's assessment of why MP wasn't lying seems really reasonable to me. Which crosses MP off my list.

So it comes down to speedchuck and juliets. I've already stated why speedchuck could be the rogue, but what about juliets? What did juliets claim? Backup doctor? Someone (I think speedchuck) said they didn't believe juliets would make a claim she'd never heard about before. I think that's kind of funky reasoning, but... Do we have any evidence that juliets's claim is true?

Also, from what I recall, the only thing I remember seeing about why juliets isn't the rogue is, 'Well it can't be juliets because it can't be.' I think speedchuck and Dyslexicon both said something to that effect. I too said that, but from a perspective of drowning in text and having no juliets-related pings.

I still have a strong gut feeling that it's speedchuck, but can I get some reasoning on why it can't be juliets? Because right now, if it's not juliets, it's fuggin speedchuck and we should lynch him.

I was kinda given a raw deal with an unprovable role, surviving this late in the game. Whichever of you is the rogue, you've been clever and creative with your claims. If I wind up getting lynched, it will be that cleverness and creativity on which you may rest your laurels. But I implore you all: I am not the rogue. I am not scum. I am a town-aligned revenge killer.

linki: No.

I'm not tunneling. This isn't an omgus vote.

The fourth point wasn't intended to be part of my case on you, hence the bit where I typed, 'Thoughts on the rogue in general'.

Since I'm weary of missing votes, I'm gonna open up with one.

This isn't an omgus vote, but it does have something to do with me. Vote speedchuck.

It struck me as strange when you POE'd me as the best lynch candidate, when Fred (rightfully) had much more to go on than me. When Fred flipped scum, I felt it was even more strange that you would focus more on me than on Fred, because it was confirmed that he was lying.

Obviously this is very likely not a scum move, but likely a rogue move. (7 scum and a rogue seems steep.) But, in order for you to win, you need a an easy lynch: me: a player who misses EODs and doesn't post much. Notable that your backup is MP, who is also not posting as much as you and juliets.

Also, outright saying you don't believe my claim after agreeing yesterday that my claim is believable is quite convenient. This is now lynch-or-lose, right? So my role can't possibly be confirmed until the game is over. Natural that you'd use my roleclaim as basis for my case.

Thoughts on the rogue in general: Jay finally dying is a sign that the final anti-town is a rogue who believes there's no scum left. You needed Jay to help find scum, scum needed Jay to help find you.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Strawhenge, could you verify that your role doesn't apply to you dying via lynch?

Not without control-veeing my rolecard in here. But it explicitly says that it doesn't apply to lynches.

speedchuck, real quick (I'm at work, I only have a minute, can't make big post)

1. Re: sticking on the Dys fakeslip. As I mentioned in a conversation with LC, I faked believing the fakeslip so hard to see if any easy-lynch-seeking scum would follow me on it, then I would nail them. Obviously didn't work. So that wasn't real. I'm not good at gambits.

2. Just so we're clear (your language on the matter was a bit ambiguous), I'm not marking people who will all die if I'm night-killed. I name someone every night, and only that person dies if I die. Just want to make sure my role was understood.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Strawhenge: which of those felt the most convincing and which felt the least convincing? I don't count.

Most convincing town read: Dys. Followed closely by juliets.

Most convincing anti-town read: Fredwood. Followed closely by speedchuck.

juliets wrote:How did you do all those so quickly Straw, I'm like agonizing over here.

They're all more-or-less gut-reads, because I haven't had the time to really get into the intricacies of the game. I know that diminishes the value of the reads, but that's all I have and I'm trying to contribute. Me:

Dyslexicon

Town because she seems like she's genuinely scumhunting.

Anti-town because of aforementioned assessments of unpredictable character.

Fredwood

Town because the lack of scumhunting reads like a very Strawhengian dip in confidence.

Anti-town because of the lack of scumhunting, and previously cited (by other players) sus posts, the suspicious nature I happen to agree with.

JaggedJimmyJay

Town because yeah.

Anti-town because he's just goddamn clever enough to have been given some kind of role-switching role to have a town role card be revealed to the public, and still somehow have targeting information, because he is some kind of strange entity who is partly fused with the Greater Spirit of Mafia. (I don't actually believe this. Levity. #alternativetinfoiling)

juliets

Town because scumhunting.

Anti-town because I don't know, nothing has jumped out at me. Which scares me in a Jay way. Now I'm terrified. Okay now I'm fine. Now I'm terrified again. I'm okay. I'm scared. I'm okay. [Strawhenge continues in this way for the next day and a half, long after EOD]

His Majesty the King of Fuck Mountain (MP07)

Town because claim read as genuine.

Anti-town because nobody is that nice, he's up to something. (I don't know.)

speedchuck

Town because scumhunting.

Anti-town ping was actually a real one: his earlier assertion that I must be the anti-town. It was very POE, so I'm not sirengiffing it, but it just seems really convenient and easy to lynch a low-activity player this late in the game. Not a huge ping at all; if we still had enough players to warrant a rainbow list, I'd put him at a yellowish green for this. But this, alongside some of his posts that others have pointed out, make me wary of him.

this entity (I'll do this one for funsies and fairness.)

Town (not scum) because he cased and suspected people on the scum team almost from the get-go, and though it was not a storied voting pattern, his voting pattern—and revenge-kill targeting pattern—is geared largely toward scum. Also revealed role only when pressured with a fatherly tone. Also is just a good egg, man.

Town (not rogue) because I don't know. Things don't look awesome for this entity in this category, but rogues are kinda like that, in such a way that it could literally be anybody but Jay. Also his revenge-kill targets included one of the bomb targets. Could have said that in case Jay tracked him.

Anti-town because of unprovable role, low activity, being a forgettable and bland human.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:Speed's claim is curious though. Bringing in Flavor into the actual role, as in giving names? I mean, it's certainly creative if it's a fake claim, but it seems almost too far out? I don't think any other role had descriptions that utilized flavor?
I do note that nobody has voiced significant trust for him since the claim, indicating that nobody is named Bellic -- or that Bellic doesn't remember their own name. Check your role PMs!

I see how that's of note, but that seems like a pretty intricate role to fakeclaim.

Also, didn't you say, 'Whoever is Bellic, don't indicate that you're Bellic'?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:Straw having something that is every night is maybe susp. Most town roles seems to be x-shot, except bodyguard probably?
I had a similar thought, primarily because the people Strawhenge targets will experience nothing, and indeed nothing will happen with the role he has presented -- unless he is night killed. This is analogous to a marker marking every night; nothing happens until later.

I mean... It really is 1-shot. I can only die once.

I don't see it as incongruous with the x-shot nature of the roles we've seen, because I'm not doing anything. Just preparing to do the thing every night.

I'm fucking stumped (not in the role power way, but in the I-completely-don't-have-a-clue way).

my brain

linki: Jay, I see your questionnaire, let me think on it.

Okay, now I really have to go. I'll be back before EOD. (I hope.)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Strawhenge, I'm looking for thread evidence to justify your targeting of me on Night 1. I don't see much. This is the closest you came to voicing suspicion of me. Elsewhere you actually seemed to be following my lead, particularly regarding sig. What gives?

<snip>

I don't remember what it was, but you said a couple things that pinged. I admit that it was a moment of paranoia based on your meta of always looking supertown even when you're scum, and I had no better choices at the moment. It was obviously a poor choice, and on D2 I wound up being really glad I hadn't been killed, because you read as town after that.

linki: It's mainly just an aura thing, yeah, if I'm catching your meaning of 'aura' correctly. And no, it doesn't work with lynching.

I know, it's unprovable. And now if there's a night killer they probably won't target me. But there you have it.

Okay, I'm a revenge-killer. Choose someone every night and if I get NK'd, they die too.

My targets:

N1 Jay (you'd said some lowkey shady shit, sorry)
N2 (missed the night phase)
N3 Long Con
N4 Quin
N5 Fred

Aaaand there went all of my time. And I got one god damn page in.

I'm not scum or rogue. I'm town and I have a role that can help that I don't want any anti-town to know. That's all I have, other than apologies that I didn't have more time to play.

@speedchuck I will clarify my gut-reads of Dys and Fred as such: I think Dys could be the rogue, and Fred could be either rogue or scum. I'm pretty sure Dys is not on the scum team.

Also, re: Fredwood's claim that he couldn't have been the demo man if he wasn't around during the time of the 'accident'...

That doesn't clear Fred at all. When I was a demo man (in a game Jay hosted, I believe), my marks died automatically at the end of Night 3, if I survived until then. Yeah, the bombs in this game didn't go off at an EOD or EON, but the role could have been written such that this would happen. There's no way for us to know or for Fred to prove exactly how his role works, so his absence at the time of detonation is moot.

Just my two cents before I dive in and start reading until I grow a long white beard and everyone in the world forgets that I exist.

speedchuck wrote:I think it would be best if Strawhenge, Dizzy, and MP checked in. Parking the questions I had right here:

Strawhenge, who do you think is most likely to be scum/3P? What defense do you have against you being scum?

1. I haven't caught up yet, but my gut is saying Dys or Fred. Jay made a good point about you being a last scum/rogue as well, so maybe you too?

2. I cased Long Con, voted Soneji, and accused Quin of being scum and being on Soneji's team. Plus my role, which I'll reveal in a pinch, but I really don't want any remaining scum or night-killing rogue to know about it, if I can help it.

I'll do Frederick Wood. I'll do my damnedest to do it tomorrow, because my ancient brain must sleep.

I see. I guess I'll have to read your case, whenever it happens. I didn't read him too closely, but he was coming off as fairly genuine to me.

I might have time to case one person by EOD. Strong 'might', no pun intended. Who should I do?

Jay could you summarize why velocitycharles fits such paradigm, for your friend Strawhenge who hasn't been able to stay current on this game?

Also I'm baffled that the scum and/or rogue have let Jay live this whole time. Having a confirmed town is nothing but detrimental to them, if I'm not missing something.

First, before anything, let me just briefly celebrate that this is the most correct I have ever been about the scum team, in any mafia game ever.

Second, let me briefly weep about such a game being the one I have had dick for time for.

Third, @Jay, I'm not a threat because I'm a top bloke. A good egg, in fact. I have nothing else. I could roleclaim, but I almost want to save it as a backup in case we don't lynch the last (? hopefully last?) scum/rogue today. My role might come in handy.

And yes, I have a good reason for why I haven't even mentioned having a role this entire time.

Guys, I've been so damn busy I haven't even checked the EOD from last day phase. It'll be a while before I'm caught up.

MovingPictures07 wrote:What immediate concerns or questions can I address?

1. Are you scum? If so, who are your friends?

2. Do you have any comment as to the political unrest in Fuck Mountain during your absence, your majesty?

Quin wrote:
Strawhenge wrote:
Quin wrote:No, I get it. A doctor that can't block their own kill.

lol
Dunno if you're being sarcastic because them letters ain't orangelike, but...aren't doctors of any alignment usually unable to self-target?
He's saying this in relation to the nutella kill, so not sure what self-targeting has to do with it.

Misunderstood 'block their own kill' as 'block themselves from being killed'. Carry on.

Quin wrote:No, I get it. A doctor that can't block their own kill.

lol

Dunno if you're being sarcastic because them letters ain't orangelike, but...aren't doctors of any alignment usually unable to self-target?

Oops, RYM reflexes. I forgot we're emboldening and reddening the votes.

Voting Quin

Golden is now firmly in the greenish area of the spectrum for me. That scummy gut-read passed like a bit of overdone potato. I'm curious about your continuing case against me. I can't promise promptness with my answers, but I can answer questions if you have them.

Quin, in the words of a wise and wild individual, 'ur bad.' And soneji is your homie.

I'm down to lynch either of them. I'll place a placeholder vote on Quin

Golden wrote:
Strawhenge wrote:There's a lot of stuff I wasn't here for, so if someone else has the answer to this, I would love to be enlightened.

But hey Golden, I'm curious about your vote for INH instead of La Marmota?

linki: Oh, cool, he's here. Golden! Hey Golden! {points at question]
I wasn't around for the second half of the phase. I've already addressed this earlier although I admit my iso is a pain. I can't say what I would have done for sure but marmot was on the table for me.

As one who can identify with not being around, I find this answer satisfactory.

(I wholeheartedly apologize if this has been answered.)

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