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by Strawhenge
Mon May 03, 2021 9:48 pm
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Topic: Fargo Mafia [Game Ends]
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Re: Fargo Mafia [Game Ends]

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon May 03, 2021 9:45 pm
Strawhenge wrote: Mon May 03, 2021 9:35 pm There were a couple nights where we were like, 'We should kill MIchelle or Odd,' but other people felt more pressing, like Nanook. We got nervous that he'd shoot one of us. By the time Bo got chopped and I kept surviving with a red check, I thought I'd just try to redirect Michelle's checks into other people.
I almost did shoot you, but I thought spf was lying about her role and you'd be resolved the next day

That was uh

Not a good read of the game
:phew:

Also, you had my number for a long time, and I was scared not only that you'd shoot me, but that you'd case me and get me chopped.
by Strawhenge
Mon May 03, 2021 9:45 pm
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Topic: Fargo Mafia [Game Ends]
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Re: Fargo Mafia [Game Ends]

Hally wrote: Mon May 03, 2021 9:40 pm
Strawhenge wrote: Mon May 03, 2021 9:32 pm We actually tried to kill Michelle the night that Odd switched her with Bo, and Bo was the one carrying out the shot. If it had been me taking the shot, woof.
why didn’t you block odd though?
We decided it was higher priority to block Nanook. Iirc, Nanook was eyeing me hard and we were scared he'd shoot me.
by Strawhenge
Mon May 03, 2021 9:35 pm
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Re: Fargo Mafia [Game Ends]

There were a couple nights where we were like, 'We should kill MIchelle or Odd,' but other people felt more pressing, like Nanook. We got nervous that he'd shoot one of us. By the time Bo got chopped and I kept surviving with a red check, I thought I'd just try to redirect Michelle's checks into other people.
by Strawhenge
Mon May 03, 2021 9:32 pm
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Re: Fargo Mafia [Game Ends]

We actually tried to kill Michelle the night that Odd switched her with Bo, and Bo was the one carrying out the shot. If it had been me taking the shot, woof.
by Strawhenge
Mon May 03, 2021 8:54 pm
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Re: Fargo Mafia [Game Ends]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Mon May 03, 2021 8:43 pm
Strawhenge wrote: Mon May 03, 2021 8:38 pm @JaggedJimmyJay, @Sloonei, @MacDougall, and @Marmot, I wish I'd been able to play with you guys longer this game!
novaselinenever wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:02 pm
@JaggedJimmyJay [Constance] has been super-killed.
:evileye:
For the record, I didn't want to kill you N1, but I went along with it. :,(
by Strawhenge
Mon May 03, 2021 8:42 pm
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Topic: Fargo Mafia [Game Ends]
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Re: Fargo Mafia [Game Ends]

I know there are mixed feeling about multiball, but if only for this being my first game in years, it allowed me to have the best of both worlds: being scum while actively genuinely scumhunting. I just wish my scumdar wasn't so [censored]ing broken :sad:
by Strawhenge
Mon May 03, 2021 8:39 pm
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Re: Fargo Mafia [Game Ends]

Also I wanted to be here actively posting by EOD, but my guitar student had to push his lesson up exactly to EOD time for me. Sorry I was low-posting the last couple days.
by Strawhenge
Mon May 03, 2021 8:38 pm
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Topic: Fargo Mafia [Game Ends]
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Re: Fargo Mafia [Game Ends]

Everyone, thank you so much for a really fun, brain-breaking game. By D7, I was like, 'I don't care if I wind up getting my ass handed to me; this game is a lot of fun.' :beer:

@novaselinenever, great game design. I've always been fascinated by role madness, which didn't happen too terribly often in games I was in on RYM. Takes a lot of work to balance all of the mechanics, and it all worked very well.

@Hally and @Michelle, you guys did some amazing town work the past few days. It was an absolute pleasure reading your late-game posts, especially when you hit the nail on the head like this.

@BoKnows, @Justplayingitcool, and @AL_sama, y'all were a fun scum team to scum it up with, and our coordination in chat was a thrill.

@JaggedJimmyJay, @Sloonei, @MacDougall, and @Marmot, I wish I'd been able to play with you guys longer this game!

@ Everyone else, I really enjoyed playing with all of you as well; this was a really great group and everyone contributed to a lively game that I always wanted my Mafia games to be.

Me to everyone: :hugs:
by Strawhenge
Mon May 03, 2021 11:21 am
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Topic: Fargo Mafia [Game Ends]
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 10]

Michelle wrote: Mon May 03, 2021 3:28 am Question : @Strawhenge if you didn't play with a miller role before, how come you claimed miller in your defence for my peek, instead explaining with your words what your role says?

This is what i remember, i didn't reread, but is a thing that bothers me since yday and i forgot to ask
Hey, sorry, was another busy day yesterday.

I actually didn't even remember that such a role was called a 'miller' until Hally used the term in response to my claim. Here's my claim post. My rolecard doesn't use the word 'miller', but uses the phrase I used in that post: 'investigates as [Guilty]'.
by Strawhenge
Sun May 02, 2021 2:11 pm
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Topic: Fargo Mafia [Game Ends]
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 10]

Hally wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 2:08 pmand don’t say she self-targeted because i refuse to entertain that
That's my only plausible explanation. Unless someone has a hitherto unclaimed superkill-proof ability, the only explanation is that you, Michelle, or I tried to kill Esooa. I know that I didn't, and we both agree that Michelle didn't.

So we come to an impasse: I know I'm not scum, but in your POV, I'm the only other option. But to me, you're the only other option. And I don't think it's you.
by Strawhenge
Sun May 02, 2021 2:08 pm
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Topic: Fargo Mafia [Game Ends]
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 10]

Hally wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 2:05 pmclearly the wolves are not making optimal decisions here
Kind of indicative of someone who doesn't care about the game, imo.
by Strawhenge
Sun May 02, 2021 2:06 pm
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Topic: Fargo Mafia [Game Ends]
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 10]

Hally wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 2:03 pm
Strawhenge wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 2:02 pm Because you were suspicious of her the previous night.
so she let herself get redchecked?????

makes no sense
Well, look at the way she responded to it, that Michelle pointed out. She could just say, 'So is Straw.' She could've also simply said, 'I'm unchoppable, so I don't care,' and then stopped posting. That would've been plenty of WIFOM for us. Instead she fought harder today than on many previous days, as if she had a reason to fear getting chopped.
by Strawhenge
Sun May 02, 2021 2:02 pm
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Topic: Fargo Mafia [Game Ends]
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 10]

Because you were suspicious of her the previous night.
by Strawhenge
Sun May 02, 2021 2:00 pm
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 10]

Hally wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 1:58 pm
Strawhenge wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 1:56 pm That's what I'm saying. I never doubted she was a cop, especially after she red-peeked my miller card.
okay but

if michelle isn’t a wolf and esooa was targeted for the kill

then the only one left who can be the wolf is you
I'm telling you, I don't think it's outlandish that Esooa self-targeted. If she killed you, that's not an auto-win. There was still a possibility that Michelle and I could chop her today. The only way to be sure that she was in the clear would be to make it seem like she was the target.
by Strawhenge
Sun May 02, 2021 1:58 pm
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 10]

Hally wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 1:56 pm [VOTE: straw] aubergine
It's not me, Hally.
by Strawhenge
Sun May 02, 2021 1:57 pm
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 10]

And no I didn't send a typewriter last night. Honestly didn't think it mattered after one finally got through to you, and you posted through nova.
by Strawhenge
Sun May 02, 2021 1:56 pm
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 10]

That's what I'm saying. I never doubted she was a cop, especially after she red-peeked my miller card.
by Strawhenge
Sun May 02, 2021 1:30 pm
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 10]

Hally wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 1:09 pm the key to this game imo is figuring out what happened with the kill
Per my post (which is long, I know), the easiest answer is that the NK was aimed at Esooa. If Esooa is scum, it means she self-targeted to make it look like someone other than her is the last scum. And if she's town, that just means it really was someone other than her.

An even more tinfoily option is that someone who's not Esooa knew that self-targeted NKs would deliver a 'failed kill attempt' result, and aimed it at themselves to make it look like the kill was on Esooa, but I can't put together why a non-Esooa player would do that.
Hally wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 1:09 pm and why michelle is still alive
If Michelle is scum, the answer is simple. If she's town, the following options for the last scum are simply roles that do not fear a cop:
  • A godfather or some other similar PR who knows they will be green-peeked
  • A second redirector who can divert all cop checks to someone else
  • An x-shot tree stump who can point to a failed chop as plausible deniability for their scumhood
  • None of the above, but someone who believes they can confidently talk a cop out of believing their own check in a role madness game
At this point in the game, seeing all the roles that have flipped, any of those can be possible.
by Strawhenge
Sun May 02, 2021 1:00 pm
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 10]

Michelle wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 12:48 pm Straw, I as Esl i am admiring how good you put the Esooa activity report in words, better than i could ever do it.
Thank you :) I'm glad it came off clearly. I often worry my writer brain makes things too complicated, especially in mafia games.
by Strawhenge
Sun May 02, 2021 12:33 pm
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 10]

[VOTE: Esooa] aubergine
by Strawhenge
Sun May 02, 2021 12:32 pm
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 10]

Maybe it's the fatigue talking, but this is the most baffling day so far in this game.

1. The Failed Super-Kill
Occam's Razor is that Esooa's tree stump claim is true, and scum tested that, meaning that the final scum is Hally or Michelle. A tinfoily-but-not-impossible alternative is that Esooa targeted herself to make it look like scum tried to kill her. If she's not a true stump and was only 1-shot unchoppable, I can imagine someone doing this as insurance that they wouldn't be chopped today. I can't really imagine anything other than those two options. Well, I can, but it's like a tinfoil hat on the tinfoil head of a tinfoil person in a tinfoil world.

2. Hold Up, Is Michelle Scum?
Despite previous nervousnesses, my bottom line on Michelle has hitherto been that she is not only town but a true, sane cop. First she red-peeked me, which confirmed either that she can see alignment or roles, then she red-peeked Bo, and he flipped scum. Those two things are more than enough for me to fully believe that she's a town cop. Not only that, but the latter half of the game and these past couple day phases especially, Michelle has read as nothing but supertown to me. Genuine scumhunting, well-formed reads, the whole package. I would be in awe if she flipped scum. Like, I would want her to somehow put her autograph on a siren.gif so I could hang it on my wall.

Is it possible that she purposefully bussed BoKnows when she didn't have to? Is it possible she's a scum rolecop who found out I was a miller? Of course it's possible. A good chunk of my case against Odd was that he bussed Bo when he didn't have to, and I've personally won a scum game by doing the same. Do I think this is likely? I really don't.

3. The Esooa Issue-a
Michelle was not the first to point out that Esooa's attitude towards this game, and towards anyone asking her questions, could be described as uncooperative, irreverent, or even vaguely hostile. Now, I've known players in the past who have very similar playstyles, such that doing so is NAI for me. However, when it suddenly becomes a very real possibility that Esooa will get chopped again, she posts more active discussion (i.e. not spam à la D5, or just saying 'who cares lol') on D10 than she has since D2. I counted. It's weird to me that a so-claimed tree stump who has voiced disinterest so many times would suddenly care about finding the last scum.

Unless requested, I won't post the actual breakdown of her post-count, because I don't want this to be misconstrued as being suspicious of a low-poster. The brief overview is almost half of her current post count from D0-D2, significantly less until D5 when everyone was posting spam and going crazy over the fingersplints outing, 8 posts on D7 when we chopped her but only one of those posts addressing her wagon (note the nonchalance), then 63 posts so far today—which is almost as many as she made D6-N9. And to reiterate, it's not just the count of the posts, but the content. She got involved here and there with discussing the game, but whenever the discussion turned to her, it was almost like someone flipped her give-a-fuck switch to OFF.

Until D10. Huh.

The only issue that gives me slight pause is the failed super-kill and her tree stump claim. I feel like if there was no NK, nova would not have posted that a kill was attempted. The only reasonable explanation for Esooa being scum would be that she self-targeted the NK. That would mean a) she knew that she would survive because she's also un-KN-able (even if x-shot), and/or b) scum NKs fail if they are self-targeted, and she knew that.

Is it tinfoily? Yeah, but not unreasonably. As I've said before, I've seen scum carry out insane gambits in the past. Doing anything similar to what I've described is well within the bounds of possibility.

4. But What About Hally, Though?
This one is short. Hally has given me no indication that she's scum, though I am concerned about this Michelle vote. She just says that Michelle's posts 'suck' today, and then leaves her vote on her. Which apparently counts double? That's concerning but doesn't quite give me scum vibes.

Is it possible she's a secret deepwolf who has been fooling us the whole time? If she's the talented player I have observed and who others have said she is, yeah, that's possible. Do I think it's the case here? No.
by Strawhenge
Sun May 02, 2021 12:21 pm
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 10]

I swear this post is almost done, Michelle. It's a long one.
by Strawhenge
Sun May 02, 2021 11:32 am
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 10]

Sorry I wasn't around yesterday, it was a busy one.
by Strawhenge
Sun May 02, 2021 11:31 am
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 10]

Michelle wrote: Sun May 02, 2021 11:28 am I need someone to talk.
Good morning, I'm working on a post.
by Strawhenge
Sat May 01, 2021 5:02 pm
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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 9]

Michelle wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 3:57 pm You made Isos on 3 villagers and a mafia from the other team. :suspish:


I said i will tell you what other wolfy things you did.
Strawhenge wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:08 pm What the fuck, seriously?

So it's either supertown Hally, supertown Michelle, or unchoppable Esooa?! The fuck kind of choice is that?!
Strawhenge wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:09 pm If it's either Hally or Michelle, congratulations on an amazing scum game.
These 2 posts, one after another, showing fake surprise and a weak suspicion on everyone else with no serious stance on someone.
Like everyone can be wolf except you, but you got so far because dead villagers told everyone you are playing in town meta, using an old meta and ignoring that meantime you could change yourself and have a good tone as scum like you had as villager back then.

It's wolfy mindset to accuse everyone else and show yourself as town just because.
1. Re: my ISOs, I never said I was correct in my ISOs. It's possible to be town and be wrong about someone.

2. Look at the timestamp of my reactions to last EOD. Those were my immediate reactions to a surprising chop result. I was expressing (real) surprise, because I felt very certain that Odd was scum.

3. I think it's reasonable to not have a serious stance on someone less than ten minutes after EOD when two of the three remaining players other than yourself are people you've trusted up until that point.

4. A wolfy mindset to accuse everyone else but myself? Should I have added, 'But then again, maybe I'm scum'? Have all of your stances included the possibility that you're scum as well?
by Strawhenge
Sat May 01, 2021 2:31 pm
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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 9]

Esooa wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 9:29 am I'm pretty sure we just lose tonight
I'm pretty sure that if town would lose the game during a night phase, the game would end at the preceding EOD.
by Strawhenge
Sat May 01, 2021 2:28 pm
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 9]

Michelle wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 1:49 am(snip)
Can you link me your cases please? I am only phone posting today and I can only play
sporadically
Sure:
Sadly there are only a few full ISOs, and most of them were on D2 with only Odd on D7. Part of the reason was real-life time constraints. I had to do a lot of phone-posting this game that made more involved cases like these hard to do. Another part of the reason is because a lot of people I trusted were putting up a lot of good cases on people that I fully agreed with.
by Strawhenge
Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:15 pm
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 9]

Michelle wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:07 pm(snip)
Did you Iso a flipped scum to search for interactions with living players?
Not in the same way that Sloonei did, for instance, but with each player I ISO’d, I looked for their interactions with flipped scum.
Michelle wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:10 pm(snip)
I understand that Esooa was convincing in making you stop asking questions. Why are you affraid to be more confrontational and push her more if you have questions for her?
It’s not that I’m afraid to, it’s that she made it very clear even afterwards that she was not interested in the game anymore.
by Strawhenge
Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:53 pm
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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 9]

Ever since my red-check, yeah, I've been defending myself because there was something to defend. And if I didn't engage enough with Esooa and Oddmerta, it's because they've both seemed disinterested in engaging in conversation. Esooa even got cross with me and told me to stop asking her questions, so I did.
by Strawhenge
Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:50 pm
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 9]

Michelle wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:31 pm(snip)
You couldn't town case yourself, that's one of them.
Wolves don't have the ability to explain why are they villagers because they are not.
No matter what villa game I am playing, I know in every single moment of the game what I did villagery and I can explain why am I villager with quotes and votes. In other words, with facts.
Especially in day 7 of the game
I did though. Maybe you and I have different definitions of town-casing oneself. I don't really know how to do that other than what I wrote in that post, and, 'Look at my tone and how towny it is.'
Michelle wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:35 pm The second is your lack of real scum hunting Straw, you only defended yourself and didn't really try to find scum.
I wrote up ISOs on several people, have been asking people about posts they made, what they thought of certain players, etc. Again, maybe we have different definitions of scumhunting, but I feel like I have been.
by Strawhenge
Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:26 pm
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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 9]

Michelle wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:24 pm Straw, it's you for reasons i will write down in the morning, is a general pattern of wolfy activity, but is 1 am and I don't have now the mood to explain you what wolfy things you did.
You get some rest, don't tire yourself out for the likes of this game.

But I do honestly look forward to your reasons why I'm a wolf. It'll be something to liven up discussion, at least, because I'm 100% not a wolf.
by Strawhenge
Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:16 pm
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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 9]

I think you should check Hally tonight. I know it'd be insane if there was a v/w mason team, but I think we should be sure.
by Strawhenge
Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:15 pm
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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 9]

Michelle wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:14 pm
Strawhenge wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:09 pm If it's either Hally or Michelle, congratulations on an amazing scum game.
Why not congratulations for Esooa? I am curious
Because being an unchoppable scum wouldn't take any work. You and Hally, if one of you are scum, both put in an incredible amount of work.
by Strawhenge
Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:14 pm
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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 9]

Yeah, because it's not really useful. I'll give you a typewriter tonight, and you can see if you can make use of it.
by Strawhenge
Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:13 pm
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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 9]

I know how that feels. I used to feel it every time I survived this long in a game.
by Strawhenge
Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:12 pm
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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 9]

It sure as hell isn't me. I wish I had the ability to prove it to you, but all I have is a typewriter.
by Strawhenge
Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:09 pm
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Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 9]

If it's either Hally or Michelle, congratulations on an amazing scum game.
by Strawhenge
Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:08 pm
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 9]

What the fuck, seriously?

So it's either supertown Hally, supertown Michelle, or unchoppable Esooa?! The fuck kind of choice is that?!
by Strawhenge
Fri Apr 30, 2021 5:59 pm
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 9]

I'm here. I just feel like I have nothing more to add to my current thoughts, so I'm just biting my nails waiting for EOD.
by Strawhenge
Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:19 pm
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 9]

Esooa wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:19 pm I don't really think it's odd
Why?
by Strawhenge
Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:38 pm
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 9]

@Hally @Oddmerta

I know it's been a long and exhausting game, y'all, but we only have 2.5 hours left, then it's over. At least come in and give your thoughts. I'd hate for this monthlong mafiathon to end on a whimper.
by Strawhenge
Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:49 pm
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 9]

Michelle wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:33 pm(snip)

What from your text helped the village, can you link them?
I'm afraid I don't know what you're asking here. What do you mean?
Michelle wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:41 pm If Odd is scum that means he is enjoying tormenting villagers, because imo if he was Gerhard mafia he wouldn't let me have any peek and he would kill me long ago. Bo played well the first days and had a good image in the game since then, plus the distance JPIC made in his posts made harder to understand Bo is scum.
I don't think everyone would accept to chop Bo without the peek. And i had the peek with Odd's help, at least this is my impression.
For one, I think Odd is a godfather. KC Mafia had a godfather (Marmot), and neither Bo nor JPIC are godfathers for Gerhardt. It makes sense balance-wise that the last scum would be a godfather, and thereby green-checked. And of course he's enjoying tormenting villagers. That's the fun part of playing scum. Especially if you're a godfather with busdriving abilities.

And, one thing I can tell you about the only time I ever won as scum: I didn't hesitate a single second to send my scummates to the gallows. Like I've said before, it bought me town points. That's what I think Odd did by not helping to clear Bo.
Michelle wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:42 pm Why Odd and not Esooa for eg, @Strawhenge?
An un-choppable scum is OP and I would never play mafia on The Syndicate again if that were true. She might be 3P, but I highly doubt that she's Gerhardt.
by Strawhenge
Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:43 pm
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 9]

Michelle wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:33 pm
Strawhenge wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:10 pm
Michelle wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:00 pm(snip)
The thing is Bo didn't interact very much with you in the first days, and I don't remember from JPIC any stance regarding you, but i have to check.

I see your post count in this site is not so big, how much mafia experience do you have?
Can you link me a scum game and a town game no matter how old?
Sadly I can't link any games; the portion of the RYM forums that contained the mafia games were all deleted.

My experience with mafia was probably about 3-4 years or so from 2012ish - 2015ish. Only 3 games out of 25-30 games I was scum, and only one of those I won. And unless I'm forgetting, very few or none of those games included a miller role, and I definitely never had a miller card myself.
What are you doing when you have a role you didn't have and you don't know?
What is worse, to keep alive a slot who cannot be cleared during the game or to claim you are a weak spot for town?
Survival mentality is for scum, town wants to die in the search for truth, like Sloonei did for eg.

Me, I am reading about a new role and try to figure how to play it better.
I had a similar ability with yours in a few games and I had to write a text for Sod to appear in the write ups, and my only concern was to share my thoughts and help the village. What from your text helped the village, can you link them?
I don't have an excuse for why I screwed up my miller claim. For one, it doesn't use the word 'miller'; it only says, 'you investigate as [guilty]', so there was no named power ability that came to mind. And it seemed simple enough that I thought I'd just figure it out as I went along. I mistakenly thought telling the thread about my role would create a case of WIFOM that, at best, would just distract everyone from finding real scum. Just like it is now.

So really, if you guys mis-chop me and we lose the game, it's my fault for not knowing how to play miller.

I'm sorry I didn't research it. It seemed simple, but I was just wrong in my approach.
by Strawhenge
Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:24 pm
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 9]

In addition to his, I mean.
by Strawhenge
Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:24 pm
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Michelle wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:22 pm
Strawhenge wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:12 pm @Michelle, have you read my posts about my concerns about Odd? Nobody has directly addressed them.

My most recent reasons I think he's scum (including vote) and my ISO of him.
Yes, i read your posts.

Imo, it's Odd who should answer at your case. @Oddmerta can you do this?
I was hoping he would as well, but I would I love your thoughts on what I brought up.
by Strawhenge
Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:12 pm
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@Michelle, have you read my posts about my concerns about Odd? Nobody has directly addressed them.

My most recent reasons I think he's scum (including vote) and my ISO of him.
by Strawhenge
Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:10 pm
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Michelle wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:00 pm(snip)
The thing is Bo didn't interact very much with you in the first days, and I don't remember from JPIC any stance regarding you, but i have to check.

I see your post count in this site is not so big, how much mafia experience do you have?
Can you link me a scum game and a town game no matter how old?
Sadly I can't link any games; the portion of the RYM forums that contained the mafia games were all deleted.

My experience with mafia was probably about 3-4 years or so from 2012ish - 2015ish. Only 3 games out of 25-30 games I was scum, and only one of those I won. And unless I'm forgetting, very few or none of those games included a miller role, and I definitely never had a miller card myself.
by Strawhenge
Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:16 pm
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Strawhenge wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:14 pmVoting proof was fueling the wagon on JPIC, then fighting against BoKnows when he limply tried to make a case that he was town after you red-checked him.
I forgot a word that makes this clearer.
by Strawhenge
Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:14 pm
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 9]

Michelle wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:43 am
Strawhenge wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:18 am And @Michelle, I could've claimed 'shenanigans' when you red-checked me. There's been enough redirecting and bus-driving and all manner of wackadoo mech bullpiss in this game, I could've started spouting off anything to save my hyde.

But I didn't. I did the risky thing and told you the truth with an inadvisably late miller claim. I am being 100% honest in that millers were rare if not non-existent on RYM, and I had no experience with them before this.
Idk, you convinced me back then but things are still not solved fmpov.
I need to read much to understand some things

Can you town case yourself? What makes you villager, what in your play (with quotes or links) is a proof for us that you are villager?
The only mechanical proof I have is the typewriter, which Hally can vouch for.

Voting proof was fueling the wagon on JPIC, fighting against BoKnows when he limply tried to make a case that he was town after you red-checked him.

Other than that I have nothing else to point to as 'proof'. Though pale in comparison to the likes of you (Michelle), Hally, Bo (in his hunt for KC Mafia, at least), and Alison, I feel like my endeavors in finding scum have been evidently earnest. Even when I was wrong, like with LC and TSP, I've been trying as much as my real life will allow.

So now I turn the question to you specifically, @Michelle: other than my red check, do you have any proof that I'm scum?
by Strawhenge
Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:26 am
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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 9]

Esooa wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:26 am
Strawhenge wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:18 am Also @Esooa, do you have parity or not? Why's your vote on me if it doesn't count?
why does it matter lol
Utterly daft of me to expect any other kind of response; my apologies.

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