The Syndicate

I guess fei long is still alive? If fei long is around they should have a new, very strong, town read.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:55 pm How do we even get the special abilities?

you;ve got em from the beginning they're just 1 time use

Anyway, I'm voting for MP. Levels of town inactivity, even right after a hugely informative sloonei lynch, are so low that it means scum just have to lurk to win; they fit in just fine. We're on a fast-track to a town loss. Not even a scum win, just a straight town failure.

was there no nk because sagat is dead an on night 3 he kills? does that mean if we kill 3 scum we basically have loads of nights without a nightkill? I was thinking maybe whoever zangief is should come out and tell us who their new very high scum read is but then I realised dunya is dead.

very possible that wilgy is or is on the same team as balrog (scum) and put the hyper-wifom on speedchuck by picking on his comment about being silenced, calling him bad for it and then silencing him.

MP, there's nothing you've offered me in your responses in terms of evidence or logic that make me feel any better about you. And the way you're going about this can easily be seen as, to quote the great Golen8, an emotional plea.

But at the same time even with your irl excuse you've come at this day with more balls than anyone else. And whilst I still think you're scum, I respect your effort even in the face of death.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:59 pm I'm so glad no one was killed. Got a baddie and no kill means the civs are in a better position than I thought

this kind of obvious, overthought, goes-without-saying post is often the fruit of a scumtree

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2017 5:44 pm

Diiny wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:32 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 1:40 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 1:15 pm I'm gonna have to vote for Sloonei.

??

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 12:25 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2017 10:36 pm Sup Din and Dun. What's your story?

Tempted to vote Sloonei for the alien comment.

Do we think the day one poll did anything? Power up Ryu maybe?

I'm not convinced it did anything. Hard to say though.

Why exactly are you tempted to vote Sloonei?

Two bullshit votes based on nothing come on sloonei early in the game. Tell me these don't look like the posts of a shaken sloonei teammate, keen to keep distance but also defend his fellow scumster.

There is no way you are bad. At least my flip will clear you.

clear me of what? is this a scumslip?

wilgy comes in here and just throws shit with nothing behind it on day 4. and he's already lost his chance to blame the hurricane by saying he wasn't that affected. what are you doing

Eloh said she'd reread the thread and do sloonei analysis and has come back with the exact OPPOSITE: a question asking about sloonei interactions.

Blooper's done nothing.

MP's going hard on the Diiny is town thing maybe in a last ditch attempt to buddy me but in complete honesty with more fire than anyone else since our hero killed sloonei

Faraday's done nothing

malakim's done nothing cuz of irl stuff, albeit not taking his small window of availability to update us on his reads or even give us a general idea of what he's thinking or whatever.

since the flip lc has done nothing but answer my questions about him and joke about the flip afaict.

simon's done nothing

speedchuck's gone silent but is the only player with anything like substantial content since the flip

and jjj/sprityo's done nothing.






you're all scum to me

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2017 6:44 pm Is there any thread interaction between sloon and bloop that looks alarming?

why don't you have a look yourself lol

load of NOTHING

I come back from a party to THIS

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:53 pm Speedchuck is bad.

LET's GO. CONTENT. ELABORATE.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:53 pm Speedchuck is bad.

ok, let's go. let's GO.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:04 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:49 pm It's almost midnight here and there's some people we haven't even heard from so this day was a bit short I guess.

Usually I'd advocate voting based off an actual suspect, even if based on extremely little, but I'm contemplating voting out a no-show. Otherwise that could present a problem later.

And lurker lynching on day 1 is a massive scumtell, frankly.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:02 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:47 pm I don't see what everyone else is seeing in Sloonei.

What did you see in sloonei Jay?

I don't either; I don't get it.

Here's another.

My problem is not with calling the votes bullshit - at the time they very much were. But he's not scumhunting/accusing the voters that their votes are bullshit, he's playing it safe.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 1:40 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 1:15 pm I'm gonna have to vote for Sloonei.

??

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 12:25 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2017 10:36 pm Sup Din and Dun. What's your story?

Tempted to vote Sloonei for the alien comment.

Do we think the day one poll did anything? Power up Ryu maybe?

I'm not convinced it did anything. Hard to say though.

Why exactly are you tempted to vote Sloonei?

Two bullshit votes based on nothing come on sloonei early in the game. Tell me these don't look like the posts of a shaken sloonei teammate, keen to keep distance but also defend his fellow scumster.

Mpf. I don't think sloonei would bus elo or blooper. that's enough that I won't feel too bad neglecting them to look at MP's ridiculously huge ph.

my b, forogt about that one.

wait fuck I need to finish looking at sloonei interactions why am I chasing MP

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:22 pm

Diiny wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:08 pm MP is scum. I can smell it like i smelled it on sloon. I'n coming for you.

Y'know, I think I might agree with you.

I still want this substantiated, unless you're just agreeing with my post on how Sloon interacted with MP.

tbh I think you should substantiate; why is mp's interaction with sloon telling?

Also this just sprang to mind- sloonei and mp have both been going for a very similar HEY DIINY PLEASE SUSBSTANTIATE YOUR READS approach when I was inactive for a bit. Both weirdly milquetoast but stressed iirc.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:22 pm

Diiny wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:08 pm MP is scum. I can smell it like i smelled it on sloon. I'n coming for you.

Y'know, I think I might agree with you.

I still want this substantiated, unless you're just agreeing with my post on how Sloon interacted with MP.

Probably going to take multiple posts of evidence. Comes down to my problems with his day 1 timidness, wishy washiness in general (and especially near the deadline), relationship with the sloon (also from MP's perspective, I believe he put sloon right in the middle of his rainbow - often very much fellow scumster valley) and all of these factors combine with my renewed confidence after this lynch result in the gut part of my reads which helped me decide sloonei was scum.

linki- like socks. 4 of em.

alright, lemme iso you quick with that in mind.

also lmao I had to check if that last bit was real, incredible

MP is scum. I can smell it like i smelled it on sloon. I'n coming for you.

LC, what happened at EoD for you? I'm glad I convinced you re the sloon case but he was never going to win the vote. There were two obvious frontrunners for the lynch, and you placed your vote for someone else.

Did you not have a preference between booper and elo?

It's weak. I mean sloonei was my #1 suspect but pragmatism always comes first.

malakim2099 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:53 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:27 pm I already stated that I believe at least one pwrson from the other site (new-to-the syndicate) is probably mafia. Seeing as a new-to-us member has now been killed so early, it only reinforces this theory. Syndicaters havw nwvee been very comfortable with killing of new people this quickly.

I know diiny is new. Is malak also from the other mafia site and playing here for the first time?

Um, if you had been reading my posts, I'm pretty sure I've mentioned it repeatedly. Seriously?

Diiny wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:32 am this theory strikes me as ridiculous.

"the most unanimously town-read player gets nightkilled by the mafia and flips town, and she had clear reads against some people that can lead to wifomy goodness on the event of her death and town reveal. There's no WAY mafia would kill her!"

I don't see a townie bothering to make a post this baseless. this is faux-scumhunting, and it's an attempt to throw shade at people for nothing.

btw I've never played with dunya either lol.

See, if you want to get meta on me and go read a bunch of games on the other side that I've played in? I'd buy that meta. But just saying, "well, player X is probably mafia because RNGesus is gonna make sure one person from that other site is mafia" is lazy thinking to me.

I still don't understand what you're saying here on the bottom segment. Are you agreeing with my analysis of elo's point?

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:34 am Too bad that Diiny isn't Dini though, specifically Mirdini. That sly bastard
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th-thanks

MP's next tbh. When I get off work and have my run I'll splurge out all my takes on people's interactions w/ the sloonmeister in case i cop it tonight.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:20 am
Dunno about Diiny or Dunya

My opinion of course

my gut says she's town, just a hunch though

Sweet justice.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:20 pm I am capable of changing my mind. But since we're onto this subject, I fully expect at least one of my Neutral reads to be on the scum team (DFaraday, Wilgy, Jay, Simon). I get too many town vibes (sorry) from the vocal players for that group to be free of darkness.

Did I imply that you weren't? I don't see how this addresses my concerns. Sorry if I'm just missing your point

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:17 pm

Diiny wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:13 pm I know in my heart you're scum, sloon. you're my #1 scumspect, followed by elo.

Looks like elo is a more realistic lynch, though. So placing my vote there for now.

Finding that evidence now.

linki- sloon I'm accusing you of calling MP a potential liar and saying you wouldn't put dom on the block just yet and then putting them at the top and bottom of your rainbow respectively minutes later. Ill-developed, disingenuous rainbow/reads. No strong opinions. Combined with timidness I've discussed, over-reliance on quick town-reading on day 1 and what I'm seeing as attempts for validation throughout your ph it's scummy.

what u finkin

Everyone's a potential liar in this game. But everyone's also more likely to be town than scum. MovingPictures is not a 100% confirmed townie, thus he is a potential liar. However, I think he is town, thus he is at the top of my rainbow. Dom had done nothing to stand out as a townie. Others had. Thus Dom was near the bottom of my list.

I believe that you believe I am scum, so that's good. I'm more interested in your other reads right now though. I have to leave in ~10 minutes so I can't stick around to discuss things with you or anyone else, but please share whatever you can. That goes for everyone. My schedule is opening up this weekend, so I should have more time to dig into this thing.

Of course anyone could be lying, but being as reserved and holding back with judgement as you were with that top post I quoted vs the extremes of the participants' positions on your rainbow are still v much discrepant imo. When a player one has a townie read on and someone they have a scummy read on clash, you'd generally expect the response to be a little less milquetoast and a tad more pressuring, especially when their subsequent scum read of the scummier player is later cited to the altercation.

that paragraph is badly written because it's late, but the point's there.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:12 pm Diiny, tell me what you think of Long Con.

Guy's gone under my radar again. I keep forgetting he's playing tbh. He's getting a serious ISO tomorrow. As is speedchuck tbh; I haven't iso'd him either but he's not a priority as he hasn't set me off yet.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:11 pm

Diiny wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:09 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:06 pm

Diiny wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:47 pm I reread sloonei's post history.

The number of townie vibes he gets from people on day 1 is staggering. To the point where he puts malakim in the bottom-most segment of his rainbow by virtue as him not being as townie as everyone else rather than his own scumminess.

Again, yes. That's generally how I approach Day 1. It's every bit as important to establish town reads as it is to establish scum reads. The absence of a town read on a player means something when there are an abundance of other town reads to go around. I don't see what's objectionable about this.

If it's ever bit as important, why is it 90% town reading and 10% scum reading? there's a massively disproportionate amount of townreading, something which is VERY easy to do as scum. VERY.

And every time he uncovers something that would sirengif me, he seems to let it go relivately easily, rarely reflecting it in his reads. There's also an inconsistency between what he says he's thinking at some points and his rainbows and actual behaviour. I'm gonna actually format a post 1 sec

Go on.

I gave you an example already re: elo's I WOULD GET SHOT DOWN comment that you pressed her on. But I'll find another.

There are more townies than scum players in this game.

Even if your crazy high ratio were more like 66% (or whatever would be in line with 2:1 I'm bad with maths and I'm tired) you don't find scum by telling them you think they're town. Unless you're 100% accruate in your doling out of townity you're putting very little pressure on anyone. You're not helping find scum. It's safe. It's scummy.

I know in my heart you're scum, sloon. you're my #1 scumspect, followed by elo.

Looks like elo is a more realistic lynch, though. So placing my vote there for now.

Finding that evidence now.

linki- sloon I'm accusing you of calling MP a potential liar and saying you wouldn't put dom on the block just yet and then putting them at the top and bottom of your rainbow respectively minutes later. Ill-developed, disingenuous rainbow/reads. No strong opinions. Combined with timidness I've discussed, over-reliance on quick town-reading on day 1 and what I'm seeing as attempts for validation throughout your ph it's scummy.

what u finkin

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:06 pm

Diiny wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:47 pm I reread sloonei's post history.

The number of townie vibes he gets from people on day 1 is staggering. To the point where he puts malakim in the bottom-most segment of his rainbow by virtue as him not being as townie as everyone else rather than his own scumminess.

Again, yes. That's generally how I approach Day 1. It's every bit as important to establish town reads as it is to establish scum reads. The absence of a town read on a player means something when there are an abundance of other town reads to go around. I don't see what's objectionable about this.

If it's ever bit as important, why is it 90% town reading and 10% scum reading? there's a massively disproportionate amount of townreading, something which is VERY easy to do as scum. VERY.

And every time he uncovers something that would sirengif me, he seems to let it go relivately easily, rarely reflecting it in his reads. There's also an inconsistency between what he says he's thinking at some points and his rainbows and actual behaviour. I'm gonna actually format a post 1 sec

Go on.

I gave you an example already re: elo's I WOULD GET SHOT DOWN comment that you pressed her on. But I'll find another.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:04 pm Sure, we need info today, but we also need a likely scum lynch. And I feel better about malakim than Eloh.

Better as in more likely to be town or more likely to be scum?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:03 pm These were my reads at the time. Reads are always fluid and can always change. If something were to come about which would prompt me to see MP as a liar (you seem strongly convinced that he is, so please share where that's coming from when you can), I'd be likely to move him down my list. I've stated why I read him as town though, and that has not changed much since. Dom was at the bottom by virtue of process of elimination and him lacking anything that clearly separated him as a town-read.

they were like minutes apart. they can't have changed that much in between those two posts lol

Diiny wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:46 am

malakim2099 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:36 pm * Elohcin, I think, is my primary candidate for scumminess. I don't like her dedication to self-preservation. I mean, if I'm reading the rules correctly, specifically rule #4?

As much as I don't like elo atm (hopefully more on that soon) this doesn't make sense. And elo actually responded to this well iirc.

Malakim, townies *know* they're town. It's a 100% chance. They die, that's a townie out of the game and the mafia win condition lurches closer. Now, even if you *really think* the guy on an alternate wagon to yours, who'd survive if you don't vote for him, is town, that's still a less than 100% chance of keeping a townie in the game. It always makes sense to preserve yourself.

I'm worried that your shunning of self-preservationist tactics is a symptom of you being scum. You're not in a mindset of "i KNOW i'm town, in elo's situation I would save myself too."

Let me clarify this point. Yes, a townie knows their town and should keep themselves alive. However, it seems like Elo is ONLY doing this. They are playing far too defensively with "Oh this is a total frame job!" after N1, and just feels like they aren't seeking out scummers so much as trying to avoid getting lynched. And that really bothers me. [/quote]

Well clarified. I completely agree with that. That's not behaviour I would classify as self-preservationist (such as my vote example) as much as it is defensive, inward looking and self-obsessed. The best way to defend yourself is always to catch scum.

malakim2099 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:53 pm

Diiny wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:32 am

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:27 pm I already stated that I believe at least one pwrson from the other site (new-to-the syndicate) is probably mafia. Seeing as a new-to-us member has now been killed so early, it only reinforces this theory. Syndicaters havw nwvee been very comfortable with killing of new people this quickly.

I know diiny is new. Is malak also from the other mafia site and playing here for the first time?

this theory strikes me as ridiculous.

"the most unanimously town-read player gets nightkilled by the mafia and flips town, and she had clear reads against some people that can lead to wifomy goodness on the event of her death and town reveal. There's no WAY mafia would kill her!"

I don't see a townie bothering to make a post this baseless. this is faux-scumhunting, and it's an attempt to throw shade at people for nothing.

btw I've never played with dunya either lol.

See, if you want to get meta on me and go read a bunch of games on the other side that I've played in? I'd buy that meta. But just saying, "well, player X is probably mafia because RNGesus is gonna make sure one person from that other site is mafia" is lazy thinking to me.

I think you misinterpreted my post.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:30 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:39 pm

All kidding aside. Eloh is not aligned with Malakim.

So let's lynch malakim and prove my innosence. Ive had a bad git feeling about him aince he started talking about MP and Simon, just didn't say anything because I thought he deserved the benefit of the doubt aince I don't know him yet. But I'll place my vote there at leaat for now.

I'm sorry that y'all cannot tell I'm civ. Then again, I like the fact that I'm difficult to read...I think. I have a lot going on atm and I think its messing with my game this time.

in what universe do you not at least air a greivance with someone just because they're new? no reason you couldn't call someone out on something scummy and then add caveat saying you don't know them well. I mean the way this is phrased is weird, too; being uncertain of a read because you don't have one thing, but giving someone the benefit of the doubt, ie, somehow assuming their newness is reflective of innocence, seems weird.

This seems like an attempt to legitimize your sudden approval of a malakim vote to get the heat off of you. "oh no guys I totally suspected him from the beginning, honest."

DFaraday wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:50 pm Placing a vote on Ninja until I can catch up later.

you'll do more good to town for quickly explaining why before catching up. a small paragraph, just your thoughts on why they're scum.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:22 pm I don't object to your interpretation of events, @MovingPictures07, but I need to hear Dom explain himself a bit better before I put him on the chopping block. He's made an assertion which has gone unsubstantiated to this point. It's certainly possible that you're a liar. I'd like to hear how he came to this conclusion.

That said, I'm not sure I'll be around when the time comes. I am once again working tonight, so I'll miss the deadline. I swear I'm going to be here for a deadline eventually.

I'd also still like to hear from Niju, or any thoughts people might have about this post I made last night.

Does it strike you as realistic that the author of those words in bold underlined italics would the put a certainly possible liar as his literal top read, and then the other person involved who he needs to hear more from before RIGHT at the bottom?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:34 pm A loose rainbow

MovingPictures

dunya
Speedchuck
diiny
Elohcin
Long Con

JJJ
DFaraday
DrWilgy
Simon

malakim
Dom
niju

MP is my top town read and dunya's not far behind. I like what I've seen from speedchuck and diiny but I need to see more of it, especially in diiny's case. He got off to a hot start but has faded a bit. I'm eager to hear his expanded thoughts later. Eloh and LC are GTH reads. I never read them as well as some of the more seasoned Syndicate veterans, but for the moment I don't feel like either of them are lying to me.
I lumped Jay and Simon in with our two silent players because . Jay did standard Jay things when he was here, but that doesn't tell me anything, and I'm not sure how to read Simon.
malakim has answered my first round of questions well enough, but in the absence of any stronger suspects he makes it to the light orange part of my rainbow. His initial read of Elohcin struck me as a fine bit of waffling. Dom needs to answer some things, and I've shared my little bit of thoughts on ninja blooper already, awaiting response.

I reread sloonei's post history.

The number of townie vibes he gets from people on day 1 is staggering. To the point where he puts malakim in the bottom-most segment of his rainbow by virtue as him not being as townie as everyone else rather than his own scumminess.

And every time he uncovers something that would sirengif me, he seems to let it go relivately easily, rarely reflecting it in his reads. There's also an inconsistency between what he says he's thinking at some points and his rainbows and actual behaviour. I'm gonna actually format a post 1 sec

MP brought the fire when he responded to me barging into the thread at (my) lunchtime, and it made me feel a tad better about him. Makes his politeness with comments like "I appreciate you trying to initiate discussion" stand out and seem a tad forced and relationship-maintainy. Maybe you're just polite.

Still a long way to go before he's off the hook for his day 1 in my books, though.

It's bedtime in 20 minutes. Who's getting my vote?

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 4:35 pm Caught up on two pages. Not sure how many more to go, but I'm truckin' along. I should develop some actual reads after that, but for now, I need to GTFO of work.

gun to head name 4 scum players. bam bam bam bam. no thinking.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:46 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:37 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:10 pm Night kill analysis is not my forte. I've been scum twice in like three years. But I am intrigued by your suggestion that you were framed, Eloh. Do you feel that you were definitely framed, or are you merely suggesting it as a possibility because somebody else brought it up?

Its what I immediately thought when reading the results last night. But I didn't say anything because I figured people would shoot down the idea and just claim I was bad.

Why was it your first thought?

This is a really good shout, and gives me hope for the sloon. I like his elo vote, but something still irks me about it. Even when placing his vote, he still asks for thoughts, as if requiring validation/seeing how popular/unpopular this vote was.

Were you the first to vote for elo, sloon?

blooper's ph is barren, like a desert. dusty winds cut me and when they die down i feel the sun's baking rays. i fall to my knees, thinking I'm seeing fleshed out reads, scumhunting, provocation and content, but no, it was just a mirage.

voting for lurkers is a nice way to stay under cover. she had to be actually PROMPTED to talk about non-lurkers by MP. bad vibes.

I'm thinking elo and blooper can't both be scum, as they don't strike me as the kind of people that would feign mutual scum reads. Hmf,

oh god I forgot about sloonei. I need to iso him again too.

this is a call to all players: I want your THOUGHTS. I want your READS. I want your GUT READS and your HEAD READS and your READING FESTIVAL TICKETS.