The Syndicate

bea wrote:I have no real animosity toward any position. Some I just think are more useful than others.

If you guys really want position that's cool. I just don't think my position 1 power is all that great compared to 2 and 4.

Oh ok.

Mods, can you let us out now?

Okay FZ everything you just said sounds great so I guess you're not bad.

So mathematically *counts on fingers* that means that ... there are no scum left and the mods forgot to end the game.

I dunno man. I just want to win. We dedicated so much of our recent lives to this and have come so close to pulling it out of the fire but the last scum are just devils I tell you. True deceivers of the highest order.

Ricochet wrote:Then what are we still doing here?

Two teams active would mean I'm the only civ left and MM is neutral, I s'pose.

Nah I am heaps pro civ.

I still think there are three teams tbh.

Bea and FZ played stellar can I be recruited plz?

Ricochet wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Ricochet wrote:So far you cleared/civread both of the Asian baddies, Mac. Why should we trust you? What's to say you and Sorsha aren't the last two baddies, from this perspective?

My role card.

Idk it.

To be frank, I truly, honestly hope you are not DH2.0 in this game and that together we can perhaps win this. You certainly would deserve a big, strong civ win, after the trauma I caused you in THM. That being said...

...actually gimme like three hours to Round 2 ISO you again.

Don't waste your time I hard defended Wilgy and Motel everyone knows I did lol. It happened.

I have no faith anymore. The scum pwned us. I on behalf of the civilians concede. I will feed you grapes great scum overlords.

Ricochet wrote:Is it for Fuzz vigi value or something pos. 3 related that I'm apparently oblivious too. Last time position 3 generated something, it was Sorsha getting off the poll.

Remind me why FZ. is supposed to be supabad?

Lol yehhh.

FZ is just good at the game I guess.

Ricochet wrote:So far you cleared/civread both of the Asian baddies, Mac. Why should we trust you? What's to say you and Sorsha aren't the last two baddies, from this perspective?

My role card.

Okay so I lied about knowing for sure that Motel Room was good but when I die you will see why.

I think bea and FZ must be the final baddies now. I fucked up. Metalmarsh is an evil indie and Matt is going to Star Wars this up for the civs by pushing a mislynch of me cool.

All I can say is lynching me loses us the game. Lynch bea or FZ to win. Onward to victory. Matt please don't fuck me now. You fucked me in Star Wars remember. Don't fuck me now. Don't do it again Matt.

We should vote position 3 guys. Think about it.

Ricochet wrote:I kinda wish to rezz Fuzz (if the Night Poll if truly a rezz poll) and have him as a backup vigi shooter. Or as a vigi Marmot shooter, if we head into lylo D12. Can't have Marmot around, then.

linki: There isn't.

I also didn't mean the Host Post story. I meant juliets effectively being killed on a Day phase. Out of the blue.

You don't really think it's a legit rezz poll do you?

Look at us and our silly ideas.

Is 3 teams of 3 actually weird? Is there no precedent?

My guess is that one of the people who voted for Motel Room had extra votes and Metalmarsh can remove votes off him as per the read on him earlier.

Metalmarsh I don't think you expected to live, so I don't think you removed enough off you. I'd say you had help.

Here's a crazy thought... three scum teams after all?

One baddie? That would make uneven teams wouldn't it?

Linki: Yeah fuck.

That was unexpected. Wow.

Metalmarsh you really are lynchproof aren't you.

You don't know what I know Metalmarsh. I am trying to fit the balls into the holes. I could be wrong about you being on a team with Zebra, but then the fact is you are suspicious for saving Draco. Then there's you being scum via deduction as well as you best case scenario flipping indy.

There is circumstantial evidence everywhere against you, Motel Room isn't Kubrick, Sorsha has Matt vouching for her and Dom appears to have let on that he had civ info on juliets.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MacDougall wrote:I believe that the teams were/are:

Wilgy
Zebra
Metalmarsh or juliets

Dharmahelper
Lorab
Draconus

And again, why are people believing this post from Mac? Zebra basically outed herself as a teammate of DH here. I cannot possibly be on a team with her.

You are using the posts of a dead scum to defend yourself. That's gross as fuck.

Sorry dudes and dudettes I just got back from taking my kid to swimming lessons first thing on a Saturday morning after a sleep in.

I have to admit that the Zebra post does introduce an element of doubt to my teams but I am still very confident that you are bad and failing that we lynch an indy whose win con is totally questionable. I am quite sure we only have 1 baddie left.

Whether it's on a team with Wilgy or a team with Drac Metalmarsh you are the most likely bad guy left in the game + even on the very small chance you aren't lying we aren't lynching civ so there is far and away no better lynch candidate here.

Don't let the silvertongued marmot coerce you fellow civs. We are close to winning this.

Ricochet wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Considering this is a 24hr lynch it's a little disconcerting that there is so little discussion though I guess it might also be a good thing?

Oh pls we've had 42h lynches with half the players dropping by just to vote.

Yeah but like day 10 lol.

Considering this is a 24hr lynch it's a little disconcerting that there is so little discussion though I guess it might also be a good thing?

Ricochet wrote:You said*, gah

i shouldn't mobile

Do u even smartphone bro

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Sorsha wrote:I voted boomslang... This is a messed up lynch

he's a very strong scum read.

howl

Linki: I still don't get it. We have five scum that flipped.

I don't get what you are confused about tbh. I think we have one guy left who is bad and his name is Metalmarsh. I feel like juliets is the only other possibility but she too has some very good looks, like the Dom one as you pointed out. I have good reason for thinking that nobody else is allied with the enemy.

If I am wrong may my ancestors wear my shame like badges of dishonour.

okok cool but you something like "if I'm wrong about him and her, the it means a three-player team still in the game is dunking us" so

I am going by the wild assumption that there would be even numbered teams ergo if I am wrong about my theory of 1 guy being left then I am wrong about a whoooooole bunch of shit and also we might as well concede because dayuuuuuuuuum.

Ricochet wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Sorsha wrote:I voted boomslang... This is a messed up lynch

he's a very strong scum read.

howl

Linki: I still don't get it. We have five scum that flipped.

I don't get what you are confused about tbh. I think we have one guy left who is bad and his name is Metalmarsh. I feel like juliets is the only other possibility but she too has some very good looks, like the Dom one as you pointed out. I have good reason for thinking that nobody else is allied with the enemy.

If I am wrong may my ancestors wear my shame like badges of dishonour.

Ricochet wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Sorsha wrote:I voted boomslang... This is a messed up lynch

You're right that she didn't share my reasons Rico ... but I just don't think it is what it seems here. I'm gonna draw a line in the sand on it. If I am wrong and sorsha is scum, that means Matt is bad and I'm trying hard not to break rules but he's a very strong scum read. There are possibilities for me being wrong, and if I am wrong and there is a three person team left that doesn't contain Metalmarsh in it then ... I have lost the grip on the game and I'm gonna tip my hat to them and offer them a hearty congratulations on their victory.

I am 95% sure that we are barking up the right tree though and would like the benefit of the doubt on this one. I believe I have earned it.

Err didn't you earlier sketch a three-mwmber team structure?

I mean three living scum together alive left in the thread mate. Sorry.

MacDougall wrote:

Sorsha wrote:I voted boomslang... This is a messed up lynch

he's a very strong scum read.

Here is an entertaining chain of posts to show you when I am referring to...

Lorab just flipped scum in a four way tie...

DharmaHelper wrote:Yay!

MacDougall wrote:DharmaHelper, I love you bro, but you are definitely bad.

MacDougall wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Yay!

He says while clenching his buttcheeks and a forced grin with teeth bared.

DharmaHelper wrote:

MacDougall wrote:DharmaHelper, I love you bro, but you are definitely bad.

Nope.

Sorsha wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Sorsha wrote:I believe you know some alignments. You posted mine earlier in the game, it was pretty surprising to see tbh.... so you saying that you know mine by extension of Matt and fz doesn't jive with me though. Can you explain how my alignment is explained by an extension of those two?

I think two teams of three is low balling for a game of 30+ players.

By extension of Matt's claim that you are civ. Nothing to do with FZ. FZ I have eliminated as a candidate through deduction of her interactions with dead scum and her voting pattern. I don't actually know your alignment. If I said I did I was guessing or joking. What/where did I post it?

I admit that my knowledge of scum team size/game building and balance etc. on TS in big games is zero but I think that the idea that the teams are 4 would mean that there is a team alive with 3 of their teammates alive and I cannot rationalise any three person teams that make sense. I tried. Perhaps there are more indies alive than civs and the balance was with numerous independents?

I'm pretty sure you were defending me before Matt was (I'll have to check for sure when I get off work). And your guessing/joking was pretty on point if that's the case.

Linki- it was night 7

If I'm being honest I actually read DharmaHelper as scum about halfway through the game but I couldn't put the case together to prove it and I felt like if I tried to half ass it he'd have made a mockery of me. I was defending you because I felt like he was getting away with frivolous case building + he was adamant you were bad for things I also did and he was avoiding confronting me over it so I figured he was cautiously avoiding raising my hackles. I feel like DH and I were close to exploding onto each other heaps of times but both of us pussied out basically.

And my guesses are always on point ... see my Draco, Zebra and Lorab reads lol.

Sorsha wrote:I voted boomslang... This is a messed up lynch

You're right that she didn't share my reasons Rico ... but I just don't think it is what it seems here. I'm gonna draw a line in the sand on it. If I am wrong and sorsha is scum, that means Matt is bad and I'm trying hard not to break rules but he's a very strong scum read. There are possibilities for me being wrong, and if I am wrong and there is a three person team left that doesn't contain Metalmarsh in it then ... I have lost the grip on the game and I'm gonna tip my hat to them and offer them a hearty congratulations on their victory.

I am 95% sure that we are barking up the right tree though and would like the benefit of the doubt on this one. I believe I have earned it.

Sorsha I am curious as fuck about where I apparently said your alignment. Are you not a civ or are you making a point about me civ reading you when the heat was coming down on you or something?

Sorsha wrote:I believe you know some alignments. You posted mine earlier in the game, it was pretty surprising to see tbh.... so you saying that you know mine by extension of Matt and fz doesn't jive with me though. Can you explain how my alignment is explained by an extension of those two?

I think two teams of three is low balling for a game of 30+ players.

By extension of Matt's claim that you are civ. Nothing to do with FZ. FZ I have eliminated as a candidate through deduction of her interactions with dead scum and her voting pattern. I don't actually know your alignment. If I said I did I was guessing or joking. What/where did I post it?

I admit that my knowledge of scum team size/game building and balance etc. on TS in big games is zero but I think that the idea that the teams are 4 would mean that there is a team alive with 3 of their teammates alive and I cannot rationalise any three person teams that make sense. I tried. Perhaps there are more indies alive than civs and the balance was with numerous independents?

I was struggling to work it out exactly until Ricochet pointed out the Boomslang lynch and it clicked when I went back and took a look at it and saw that Marsh cast the final vote. I was trying to rationalise Metalmarsh as scum without being on team Wilgy because over the last couple of days I'd started to align him with DharmaHelper and because of the Draconus lynch swap but it makes more sense to consider that he actually is part of team Wilgy and as Rico pointed out the key evidence is the Boomslang lynch. It also explains the way he's defending, because he has been getting accused for incorrect reasons. I also took a look at some of his interactions with Zebra and it all just clicked.

I believe that the teams were/are:

Wilgy
Zebra
Metalmarsh or juliets

Dharmahelper
Lorab
Draconus

Sorsha wrote:By asking you and Matthew questions I did I am trying to get a handle on the situation. And you're going to refuse to answer?

Lol I'm not refusing I just want your opinions.

Fine but if you don't follow it up I will shake my fist at you.

Here's where I'm at...

I believe I have deduced the civilian alignment of all but two players. Juliets and Metalmarsh. I can't elaborate on how but I can say that the one I am most certain of is Motel Room, especially in light of how yesterday went down. I am quite sure of Matt and FZ and by extension you. Bea, despite being wrong about Wilgy, I am sure is civilian because of LC related reasons. That one he definitely got right, he must have. I don't believe that there are 2 scum left. I believe there is 1. 2 wouldn't make any sense mathematically. I believe that it is far more likely to be Metalmarsh.

If I am wrong about the Marmot, juliets must be lynched tomorrow. I will be the most likely to be killed tonight if the game doesn't end with a Marmot lynch. If he is not the last bad guy it is without doubt juliets. Look back at her interactions with Zebra if you need to find a case but tbh it's primarily from deduction.

Linki: Lol there you go.

I will give you 1 opinion for an opinion.

Sorsha wrote:I'd like you to answer the questions I asked you first.

Lol no. You need to actually give us something for a change. I've given my opinions on a range of things at length. If you want more of them you need to pay the piper.

Sorsha I'd like to hear what you think the situation is right now etc. You asked me but you haven't really produced much in the way of original content ... fair in a way since you've had to spend most of your time defending but now that only the ghost is haunting you surely you can give us your opinion, if you are actually the civ you say you are.

Ricochet wrote:Mac and Matt, you say MM saving Draco by last minute lynching LC is a matter of the obvious. Charm me please into how Wilgy, Sorsha and MM pulling a Wilgy (or MM) save by mounting a last minute Boomslang lynch is not also a matter of the obvious.

Maybe it is? I haven't really thought much about that because I'm pretty sure I was all for lynching Boomslang on the grounds that he totally lied about the LC thing. I can easily rationalise a civvie wanting to lynch him at the time...

The Marmot is using the tried and tested argue with the flawed reasons people have said I am scum rather than the inscrutable ones.

MacDougall wrote:

Dom wrote:I don't know about you guys, but I never bought the narrative that Marsh is *neutral*. I suggest you all find your receipts and head to the nearest customer service desk.

Yes his activity is not that of a neutral. And tbh he and Draco could have planned that vote shuffle. Draco joke self votes. They both switch with seconds to spare to save Draco.

Dom wrote:Reeks.

But hey-- MM said HB killed himself to show I'm bad.

For Dom and for country. The Marmot must be lynched.

Oh sorry I did say that. I was thinking about the fact that you caused the entire lynch to switch from Drac to LC, not your actual vote. My bad. You aren't a square.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Stay determined.

MM, I've long established in your ISO that your LC late vote came after kinda wishy-washy on-and-offs around him.

Was his prior suspicion strong enough to justify the last second switch from Drac to LC?

Had he indicated any suspicion of Drac before that lynch?

I am asking you because I am at work and you are the encyclopedia of this game.

Did I even vote for Draco on that day? I don't believe I did.

Don't make shit up. It's Day 10.

Where did I say that you voted on Draco you square?

Ricochet wrote:Stay determined.

MM, I've long established in your ISO that your LC late vote came after kinda wishy-washy on-and-offs around him.

Was his prior suspicion strong enough to justify the last second switch from Drac to LC?

Had he indicated any suspicion of Drac before that lynch?

I am asking you because I am at work and you are the encyclopedia of this game.

You did it with about 20 seconds left in the day resulting in the survival of a since confirmed scum. Please die.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Follow me to victory friends, lynch the Marmot.

Why? 90% of the cases against me have been all but debunked.

You saved Draconus and caused Long Con to die with a shifty last second move. Your answer to why is [insert smiley].

Concede. You are scum.

Ricochet wrote:Well, if the LoRab connection is dead, then I guess half of my ISO on Sorsha is debunked. Not that her D4-and-onwards activity is in any way stellar, but yeah... :tear:

Shall we focus on Wilgys / Draco connections, then?

Metalmarsh has his vote on Motel Room right now who we just found out was suspected for reasons fabricated by DharmaHelper. He saved Draconus from certain doom. I'm not sure there's been a more obvious lynch this late in a game.

Follow me to victory friends, lynch the Marmot.

Does anybody want to deny that I am the civvie MVP?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I also get the feeling that zebra was on DH's team.

As do I.

Got damn civvies we're gonna pull this out of the fire.