The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 7:47 pm [VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

Okay I can dig it.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 7:45 pm But Quin said actions get randomly used if not submitted. That's...shitty.

Lol maybe the scum team are completely lurking and the night kill was random.

Anyone have a good reason to object to a lynch of one of these three:

Jackofhearts2005
sprityo
Kylemii

I have them in order of my preference.

Give me your best explanations for why the below are townies:

Dom
insertnamehere
Jackofhearts2005
Kylemii
Long Con - Told Jay to fuck off
Marmot - Is silenced?
Pennywise
sprityo

I'll reduce this pool and take out Long Con and Marrmot for really lame reasons.

Jackofhearts2005
Kylemii
Pennywise
sprityo

I'll take out Dom and INH because they are totally lurking.

Jackofhearts2005
Kylemii
sprityo

I'll take out Pennywise because he's a noob.

Jackofhearts2005
Kylemii
sprityo

Let's lynch one of these three.

Players I would not miss if they were lynched:

Dom
insertnamehere
Jackofhearts2005
Kylemii
Long Con
Marmot
Pennywise
sprityo

So given that, I guess my real issue here is that there are too few people proving themselves to be solid townies.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 7:12 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 7:10 pm So we're lynching Epi then?
I'm flirting with voting DDL. I think that can still happen with a good push.

What's your case on him ?

I got annoyed when he made a big ugly colourful post and made out like I was bad. It felt fake. But nobody agrees so fuck it.

So we're lynching Epi then?

ISO Jack. I have to leave.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 6:20 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 6:19 pm I see DDL omgus voted me and Long Con also voted me but they both moved off me. Shifty. Where do we stand on Long Con after his near lynch? Do we give him endless credit for telling Jay to fuck off because he has been a fairly blendy character all game.
That's one of those moments where my read is pretty much decided the moment I see it, because any other universe would be so disappointing.

I can't really be objective on the matter.

You would be disappointed if a Mafia Long Con told you to fuck off?

I might have a blind spot for Wolbre but I have liked him since the moment he showed up in Greece. I have started to give new players the benefit of the doubt for commonly pingy things and outside of a few face scrunching moments his willingness to get involved seems in contrast to new players I am used to. I would rather lynch Pennywise than Wolbre. At least Wolbre is participating.

I would put Wolbre as a light green skittle.

I see DDL omgus voted me and Long Con also voted me but they both moved off me. Shifty. Where do we stand on Long Con after his near lynch? Do we give him endless credit for telling Jay to fuck off because he has been a fairly blendy character all game.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 6:11 pm @MacDougall, can you expand on your hatred of that post by Jack?

He said "I guess" and then validated a vote on a wagon gaining momentum with hyperbole. It was opportunistic.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 5:58 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 5:57 pm Night kill.
He doesn't night kill me. It's his preference. He's stated it many times, but here's an example from the Lounge:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:32 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:29 pm I would agree that people don't fit cleanly into any single "position" (not even the examples I provided). Everything is muddy. I wouldn't know how to label myself on that team. The dynamic also has to adapt as a town team shrinks, because people gon' die -- that relates to Epi's thought. I think the core of my thought is that civilian teams tend to be best served when there are multiple different approaches happening together that can be integrated into a full team effort.
I know how to label you.

One scary motherfucker.

But keep him around for fun.

And would you kill him?

General question to all.

If you could kill one player right now who would it be?

For me it would be Epi.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 5:56 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 5:54 pm If Epi is bad and Jay is good would Epi push to kill Jay. Same question in reverse.
Do you mean night kill me or lynch me?

Night kill.

If Epi is bad and Jay is good would Epi push to kill Jay. Same question in reverse.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 5:46 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 5:43 pm It's a very Jay case and I don't have your unique perspective.
What do you see in your soul when you look at Epi's posts?

Someone who doesn't care about finding bad guys and is happy to troll Jay.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 5:21 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 5:18 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 5:17 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 7:58 am Good morning - Epi why the vote for Kyle?

No reason.
Actually fuck it let's lynch him.
Please assess

and if necessary, critique

It's a very Jay case and I don't have your unique perspective.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 5:19 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 5:17 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 5:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 5:12 pm Why is INH copping criticism but not Dom? What has the latter done or not done that the former has?
Dom has the advantage of meta. It's atpyical for him to do a lot. I have them both in the POE pool though.
Does INH have a scum meta of not posting?
I wouldn't say so. He was one of few relatively active mafia members in the GOC. I don't attribute his absence to alignment in this game.

Ok so why is he consistently being mentioned as bad?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 5:17 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 7:58 am Good morning - Epi why the vote for Kyle?

No reason.

Actually fuck it let's lynch him.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 5:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 5:12 pm Why is INH copping criticism but not Dom? What has the latter done or not done that the former has?
Dom has the advantage of meta. It's atpyical for him to do a lot. I have them both in the POE pool though.

Does INH have a scum meta of not posting?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 4:46 pm I guess I’ll go ahead and [VOTE: epignosis] aubergine

I tend to give Epi some leeway for bs cases, head butting and general grumpiness/laziness but I expect something to come of it eventually.

I like Jimmy's rainbow (save Juliets, who I’m not sure why people are voting for) and the Epi case but I can’t shake a bad feeling about him. Driving me up the wall over here. Waiting for the shoe to drop. Just not sure what kinda shoe it is.

Linki: I’ll read those Nova beefs in a bit. Nova is in one ear out the other for me.

This post is horrendous Jack.

Novaselinenever sounds civ.

Not voting for Epi today. Sit down children.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 4:57 pm My suspicion of Marmot is pure gut. The worst I can say about his content specifically is that his votes are hard to buy. I don't remember all of them if they weren't tagged, but at a glance I see these:

Dyslexicon
JaggedJimmyJay
Jackofhearts2005
Marmot himself

Tinfoil galore and the token self-vote. Meh.

Not to mention ... EPI NOT KILLED NIGHT 1.

Marmot definitely bad.

Why is INH copping criticism but not Dom? What has the latter done or not done that the former has?

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 1:24 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 12:55 am
Scotty wrote: Why are you both assuming JJJ is silenced? He hasn’t voted yet.
What does that have to do with anything?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 1:18 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 12:51 am Why are you both assuming JJJ is silenced? He hasn’t voted yet.
I wasn't assuming shit. I was just answering his question.

What was life like as a silenced person? I presume it was lonely and confronting.
God, being in a room with just you two is like discussing makeup application with a coupla Brooklyn construction workers

Being in conversation with you is what I imagine communicating with a sentient broom would be like.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 12:37 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 12:32 am
A tough guy I see. Big tough Epi and his big muscles.
I've got one big muscle. That's about it.

Is it your right buttock? It's your right buttock right?

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 12:51 am Why are you both assuming JJJ is silenced? He hasn’t voted yet.

I wasn't assuming shit. I was just answering his question.

What was life like as a silenced person? I presume it was lonely and confronting.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 12:30 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 12:29 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 12:28 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 12:25 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 11:32 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 11:31 pm Epi what happened to voting for Jay?
Should I be voting for Jay?
Yeah you should be.
For what reason?
Because you said you would and to do otherwise makes you a big phony.
Let me check to see if I give a fuck about that.

Nope.

A tough guy I see. Big tough Epi and his big muscles.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 12:28 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 12:25 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 11:32 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 11:31 pm Epi what happened to voting for Jay?
Should I be voting for Jay?
Yeah you should be.
For what reason?

Because you said you would and to do otherwise makes you a big phony.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 12:25 am The mafia team has (presumably):

Killed Dyslexicon
Silenced Scotty
Killed sig
Silenced JJJ

When your team has a mafia silencer, at what point is it optimal to silence one of your own?

Knowing that silenced persons are almost never lynched here, what do you do?

I silence teammates every night

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 11:32 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 11:31 pm Epi what happened to voting for Jay?
Should I be voting for Jay?

Yeah you should be.

Epi what happened to voting for Jay?

I'd like to push a wagon against everyone who has posted colourful voter analysis lists. I am sure that there is a correlation between it and being bad.

Flip flopping wagons is a town tell not a scum tell btw.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 7:25 pm I want to push one of those people who kept flip-flopping wagons on Day 1. Jay, Juliets, Mac and Jack. I already gave my reasons why I think Jay is a civ (which should be taken with ten grains of salt) but the others are a big question mark in my imaginary rainbow.

Do you usually decide who to vote for based on emotionless arbitrary calculations with no actual evidence to suggest that the hypothesis is alignment indicative or are you just doing it here because you have no suspects?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 6:54 pm Ok let's do this

Gman's Technicolor Vote Analysis

DAY 1

For those who don't know, here is how it works.

The first list, inside spoilers, is every vote made during the day that is being analysed:

Spoiler: show
nova - Avito
Marmot - Dizzy
Jay - Jack
Dizzy - Jack
Scotty - Sprityo
Epi - Juliets
INH - Juliets
Mac - Jack
Sprityo - Lapluie
DDL - Dom
LC - Avito
Dizzy - Avito
Jay - Sprityo
Dizzy - Sprityo
Dizzy - Avito
Jay - Jack
Marmot - Jay
Scotty - Jack
Marmot - Jack
Sprityo - Sprityo
Dizzy - Penny
Jay - Kyle
Scotty - Kyke
Dizzy - Juliets
Dizzy - Jack
Jay - LC
Jay - Wolbre
Scotty - Wolbre
Juliets - Wolbre
Jack - Wolbre
Epi - Lapluie
LC - Marmot
Mac - LC
Jay - LC
Dizzy - LC
Jack - LC
nova - Lapluie
Dizzy - Penny
Juliets - Lapluie
Jay - Lapluie
Mac - Lapluie
Dizzy - Wolbre
Scotty - Jack
Dizzy - Jack
Jack - Wolbre
Jay - Quin
INH - Lapluie
Mac - LC
Dizzy - LC
Jack - LC
Kyle - Jack

Now, we have the same list, but with only with the name of the voters. The people who are voted for are coded by color, whose key is shown below.

nova
Marmot
Jay
Dizzy
Scotty
Epi
INH
Mac
Sprityo
DDL
LC
Dizzy
Jay
Dizzy
Dizzy
Jay
Marmot
Scotty
Marmot
Sprityo
Dizzy
Jay
Scotty
Dizzy
Dizzy
Jay
Jay
Scotty
Juliets
Jack
Epi
LC
Mac
Jay
Dizzy
Jack
nova
Dizzy
Juliets
Jay
Mac
Dizzy
Scotty
Dizzy
Jack
Jay
INH
Mac
Dizzy
Jack
Kyle

lapluie - green
LC - red
wolbre - light blue
Avito - yellow
Sprityo - purple
Jack - orange
Juliets - dark blue
other - no color

Now we analyse the people who got the most votes, color by color.

First, the lapluie wagon. It has some early adopters, Sprityo (who unvoted) and Epi. But it really caught steam when nova, juliets, Jay and Mac pushed it. INH hopped on it it near the end. The wagon seemed to be an alternative to the LC CFD that was formed at the point. In fact, the two wagons were tied. If LC flips bad, there is a high chance of baddies in this.

LC wagon next. Jay was a quick, and short, early adopter. It really started when Mac brought it up, followed by Jay, Dizzy and Jack. The same Jay, Dizzy and Jack would fumble around other wagons before coming back to LC around the end of the day.

Wolbre is another big story here. The votes came with a quick movement of Jay, Scotty, Juliets and Jack around the middle of the day, with Dizzy somewhat later, and Jack coming in again before leaving for LC again.

There are other wagons which I bothered to color, but I won't analyse them for now. The problem here is that we have no bad flips yet, so anything we obtain here is highly speculative (though I recommend we go back here once said scum flip happens). But we can try to spot some trends now. First is, that in spite of Day 1 chaos, all of the big wagons came from very quick burst. In one second a person had no votes, next second they were leading the poll. This is, at the same time, really easy for scum to hop in, and really hard for scum to stop (hence the main appeal of CFDs). LC, or lapluie, could have been a counter-wagon to LC, or wolbre. On the other hand, it could be that all three wagons were on civs, and scum was just coasting and blending.

The same actors can be seen in all wagons: Jay, Dizzy, Mac, Jack, juliets. I like to believe there was scum among those, blending, while another 2 or 3 scum were staying away from the main wagons. Would be a good way for scum to spread I think.

This is the most obvious fake effort post I have ever seen. None of the points you have raised are logical. It's a huge colourful monstrosity that is designed to make you seem like you are contributing. Your last point is just total speculation for instance.

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 7:53 pm I'm drunk. AMA.

Do you secretly love Jay and want to wear his skin like a coat?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 7:42 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 7:35 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 7:29 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 6:17 pm [VOTE: Nova] aubergine

I was going to jump back to Avito after I finished catching up but then I thought ... fuck it.
Why do we put up with this crap
How about fuck you, and I'm done, find another punching bag you dick.
No one lynched you yet. Probably not even going to be considered. You're one of the elite.

It's okay. I'm sure I will get killed instead. It's the way of things.

Fair enough. Ultimately if it comes down to it I would lynch the non persona over him. I just don't want to make this end of day a formality yet.

Hell I was tempted to give him credit for showing up until I just decided not to.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 7:34 pm I don't really care that nova made posts, but the tone presented in those posts was agreeable enough.

His tone did convey that he was irritated by having votes. Hardly alignment indicative. What else about his tone made him the better to save in a 50/50 situation?

As if it wasn't just because he made posts. It was predictable enough for me to vote him over Avito just to keep the balance from tipping completely.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 7:29 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 6:17 pm [VOTE: Nova] aubergine

I was going to jump back to Avito after I finished catching up but then I thought ... fuck it.
Why do we put up with this crap

How about fuck you, and I'm done, find another punching bag you dick.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 7:07 pm between avito and nova I think I'd rather vote for Avito, nova is at least around and talking

It's knowing people would think like that that made me want to vote Nova. It's too easy if he's scum to just make a few posts and then the absent dude gets lynched instead. I don't particularly have any defense of either of them, I just don't feel the need to push the lynch into Avito's direction permanently just because Nova came and made posts.

Nothing. I don't feel strongly about either.

[VOTE: Nova] aubergine

I was going to jump back to Avito after I finished catching up but then I thought ... fuck it.

Hey Scotty. If you're silenced changed your vote to Long Con.

Is that allowed?

Maybe Scotty is silenced?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 2:49 am
wolbre04 wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 2:47 am If nothing better comes up, I'm willing to do so. Maybe dizzy called her out and Juliets felt threatened?
wolbre04 is a civilian.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 2:32 am I dont plan on staying here. I don’t think Mac would either, more so if talk is facilitated you can start making more intuitive checks on people and progress the game.

Here you threw a vote down anticipating changing it. Yesterday you self voted when you had no suspects. These behaviours are inconsistent. The question is whether they are the civvie or mafia type. I put it to the masses.

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