The Syndicate

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:52 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:40 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:25 pm Sloonei Long Con MacDougall I recommend that you three get your hands a little dirty by voting for one of the 3 leading wagons.
Alternatively, we could not.
The request kinda backfired huh.

But for real I hate this post. The implication that the three leading wagons (3 votes) are somehow the only that qualify as getting hands dirty seems loaded in a "none of them are scum and I am" kinda way. Bears the question why he asked us three though. Two townies and one teammate?
I am glad I did not share my reasoning for thinking Long Con could be a teammate with dragomir, because now I get to solidify my town read of MacDougall with a mindmeld. Rule of three or whatever you would like to call it, it is plausible Dragomir calls out to two townies and a scumbud here, and Long Con feels out of place. It is bad on my part, and was not a thought worth sharing, but now it is relevant to solving a slot.
MacDougall is comfortably my top town.

Really? But you're my top town? This is uncharted waters here. I have this deep desire to not town read you now stemming from my broken home upbringing instilling me a deep seated sense of self worthlessness and subsequent learned self sabotage behaviours.

But I'll work past that.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:13 pm Okay Dragomir you win this skirmish, but I still think you're bad.
Do you have another reason for why?

Sure, but first tell me who your top 2 town reads are and your bottom 2 reads are?

Okay Dragomir you win this skirmish, but I still think you're bad.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:57 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:52 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:40 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:25 pm Sloonei Long Con MacDougall I recommend that you three get your hands a little dirty by voting for one of the 3 leading wagons.
Alternatively, we could not.
The request kinda backfired huh.

But for real I hate this post. The implication that the three leading wagons (3 votes) are somehow the only that qualify as getting hands dirty seems loaded in a "none of them are scum and I am" kinda way. Bears the question why he asked us three though. Two townies and one teammate?
I made an explanation on why I asked you three, go check it out. Furthermore, I thought the DP ended in a few hours not 24.

No I will not crawl into your pocket you snake in the grass.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:48 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:41 pm what are yours atm ted?
Leetic is my most confident one

And I don’t know, I’ll look more in-depth tomorrow

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:44 pm sloonei could you explain your th read imo there ain't enough to read him yet

also thanks dragomir

Yo don't crawl into his pocket.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:42 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:40 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:59 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:56 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:08 pm Whoever feels like working with baby yoda @ me because I've decided that's the healthy way for me to play mafia

I feel as though that's maybe 2 people at best but I'll take what there is and form a small cult or something
if you're willing
What are your scum reads and why?
I dont have any strong wolf reads, but I'm suspicious of lc, leetic, and epi.

lcs promised a stronger performance and hasn't delivered, instead choosing to quip in thread with a few people. looks more like damage control than a willingness to solve

leetic doesn't look like he's sincerely wolf hunting, still

ive said this before but idk hasn't done much and literally just copied my tsp read

radish looks good I think Ted vs radish is more likely tvt than not
These are some good thoughts, especially that LC one. I'll go deep on why I think the same soon.

Is there a way to do isoes easily on mobile? My computer has blocked this site.

This wouldn't be Dragomir hoisting someone on their own petard again would it? Her LC thought is demonstrably not good at worst, completely judgemental at best. You are a snake in the grass young man.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:40 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:59 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:56 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:08 pm Whoever feels like working with baby yoda @ me because I've decided that's the healthy way for me to play mafia

I feel as though that's maybe 2 people at best but I'll take what there is and form a small cult or something
if you're willing
What are your scum reads and why?
I dont have any strong wolf reads, but I'm suspicious of lc, leetic, and epi.

lcs promised a stronger performance and hasn't delivered, instead choosing to quip in thread with a few people. looks more like damage control than a willingness to solve

leetic doesn't look like he's sincerely wolf hunting, still

ive said this before but idk hasn't done much and literally just copied my tsp read

radish looks good I think Ted vs radish is more likely tvt than not

Yes he has. LC's made some really high effort analysis. It's totally new LC territory. What game are you reading? Your read on him demonstrates you haven't read the last several pages. Perhaps do so.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:37 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:21 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:19 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:44 pm LC's enitre progression on TH is just so fake and not civvy at all.
And that's where I stopped interacting with Dragomir.
The Do Nothing Dragomir pushing his Fake News agenda yet again. This suspicion is a hoax.
What?

Dragomir not loving life right now.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:44 pm LC's enitre progression on TH is just so fake and not civvy at all.

I'm not sure tbh. It's not LC's wolf meta to post like that. He might just be not stoned.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:03 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:01 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:00 pm Turnip Head is town.
I'm having trouble seeing your world building. You have quite the townreads, what's the PoE?
Ted is mafia.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:03 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:02 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:00 pm Turnip Head is town.
Oh.
Long Con is mafia.

You have confused me warrior.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:00 pm Turnip Head is town.

Urge to scum read, rising, rising.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:59 pm My Sloonei vote is super-stale at this point. I'm going to switch to TH. [VOTE: Turnip Head] aubergine

Mmmmeticulous

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:51 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:43 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:04 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:24 pm tsp's posts have been forgettable to me but we're on the same wagon so sure i guess i can hold off on reading him for now
Tony has twelve posts. Why do they need to be memorable? You can read them in under sixty seconds. Why does this post exist?
Why does this post exist? That is such a trivial thing to get caught up on. His 12 posts absolutely are forgettable. It doesn't take a great deal of imagination to see why FG would have made this post? I don't know what's worse, your silly gotcha or Dragomir telling you it was splendis.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:08 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:04 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:24 pm tsp's posts have been forgettable to me but we're on the same wagon so sure i guess i can hold off on reading him for now
Tony has twelve posts. Why do they need to be memorable? You can read them in under sixty seconds. Why does this post exist?
A splendid post from you. I'm wondering the same thing.
I think Dragomir because I think it's just a bunch of bs half trying to butter up to Epi half taking the opportunity to build some negative energy towards FG.

[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine
What the fuck

What the fuck

Use your words Dragomir

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:40 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:25 pm Sloonei Long Con MacDougall I recommend that you three get your hands a little dirty by voting for one of the 3 leading wagons.
Alternatively, we could not.

The request kinda backfired huh.

But for real I hate this post. The implication that the three leading wagons (3 votes) are somehow the only that qualify as getting hands dirty seems loaded in a "none of them are scum and I am" kinda way. Bears the question why he asked us three though. Two townies and one teammate?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:33 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:52 am
ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:15 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:09 am I could use the same logic against you. You have only played a fraction of the amount of mafia games that exist so you can't truly know that mechanical talk is widely considered a scumtell. It might have been from the games you've played but not the many others have.

So basically, trying to say that mechanical talk is a scumtell is bullshit. It's not a universal opinion. I want you to explain to me what really makes mechanical talk a bad thing.
There exists somewhere a big imaginary book of mafia. When players are good enough, they get a chance to write a chapter of the book. In some footnotes, you will find clear references to mechanical discussion being a scumtell. I do not know what to tell you beyond this. I am not the one who decides what are and aren't considered scumtells, though I do have a few scumtells of my own that I have not seen other players share.

Generally, scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) will struggle to generate content. This is the closest thing you can get to objective in mafia- sort by postcount will almost always win more games than any individual player's reads, it has been tested. As a result of this, scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) will latch onto low-hanging talking points. In mystery games especially, mechanical discussion is inevitable from any alignment, but scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) are happy to engage in this discourse, as it means they don't have to provide fake content.

Happy?
You could argue in a post-modern mafia setting that going after someone for mechanics talk is the new low hanging fruit. I don't think your suspicion of sloonei for this looks particularly genuine. It's an easy suspicion to fake early and you haven't really let it go, like you're afraid what it would look like if you backed down here
This post makes me feel grey. So tentative, that second sentence. Such a tiny prod, this barely even merits a response from Mikey. Does he follow up on this suspicion?

I have never seen this form of Long Con before.

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:11 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:07 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:39 pm Right now the way you are behaving gives me the sense you want to be in control for the EOD, and all I can say is that does not make me feel so good about you. I do not think I would hang you today, however.
What's wrong with wanting that? Civilians should want that.
Townies usually have preferred outcomes and push toward those, whereas Dragomir's tone is the inverse and seems to be guiding people away from their unfavorable outcomes. It is something either alignment could do, but here I am leaning it wolf.

In other words Dragomir doesn't care about the roof.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:04 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:24 pm tsp's posts have been forgettable to me but we're on the same wagon so sure i guess i can hold off on reading him for now
Tony has twelve posts. Why do they need to be memorable? You can read them in under sixty seconds. Why does this post exist?

Why does this post exist? That is such a trivial thing to get caught up on. His 12 posts absolutely are forgettable. It doesn't take a great deal of imagination to see why FG would have made this post? I don't know what's worse, your silly gotcha or Dragomir telling you it was splendis.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:08 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:04 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:24 pm tsp's posts have been forgettable to me but we're on the same wagon so sure i guess i can hold off on reading him for now
Tony has twelve posts. Why do they need to be memorable? You can read them in under sixty seconds. Why does this post exist?
A splendid post from you. I'm wondering the same thing.

I think Dragomir because I think it's just a bunch of bs half trying to butter up to Epi half taking the opportunity to build some negative energy towards FG.

[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:58 pm Don't ever talk to me again this game.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:40 am Good morning.

Why is Mac SRing me?

I'm not sure that I am. I just don't have any reason to town read you.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:40 am Does it matter when I give the reason for why LC is scum as long as I do at some point? Do I need to have an reason alongside my vote so it isn't out of nowhere?

No, but it's generally what people do so I mean...

Dude I literally said that in spite of that I still read you town. Why are you wasting our time drilling into this. Get over it lol.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:37 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:04 am If you want confirmation that Dragomir is town, he just attacked me for criticising his townie play lol.
Wait, why does this make me town?

Don't worry about it you'll confuse yourself into suspecting me.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:36 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:02 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:01 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:58 am Despite the fact that his passion towards his LC read feels contrived and spawned from basically nowhere I feel kind of okay about Dragomir.
What makes it contrived and out of nowhere?
You naked voted him with no explanation. You then asked Sloonei why he voted for him and agreed with it. Pretty definitively out of nowhere champ.
Did you miss where Sloonei asked for my thoughts on him and I gave them?

You mean after you naked voted him with no explanation?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:22 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:22 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:21 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:13 am After reading her in more depth I kind of do actually like Funnygirl.

So that really leaves Speedchuck as a glaringly obvious candidate. Why hasn't he got 800 votes?
He looks exactly like he did a couple weeks ago when we were leaving him around as mislynch bait.
Lol I think he looks worse here.
why?

I don't have confirmation bias here

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:22 am Explain this sudden turn on funnygurl, mr mac

I read her ISO and can see that at times she provides rather insightful analysis that I perceived to be authentic that I'd missed. There's a lot of fluff and silly posturing around it and my initial feelings were caused by only having read that stuff in my live reads.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:21 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:13 am After reading her in more depth I kind of do actually like Funnygirl.

So that really leaves Speedchuck as a glaringly obvious candidate. Why hasn't he got 800 votes?
He looks exactly like he did a couple weeks ago when we were leaving him around as mislynch bait.

Lol I think he looks worse here.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:08 am Have a wall

I feel pretty good about the following names

Dragomir
Sloonei
TS Account
Ted
TSP

I feel mixed or meh about

Funnygirl - Mixed
Epi - Meh
Leetic - Mixed
LC - Mixed
Turnip Head - Meh

I feel proper high level ungood about

Radishes
Speedchuck

I searched myself and have updated accordingly.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:11 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:01 am Sloonei can you list all the people who have been notably assertive about town reading you vs. those who have been suspecting you?
LC and leetic voted for me very early on but I would not say that either of them have sustained any suspicion against me. ts account is the only one who I think has been actively suspicious of me as the day has progressed. Turnip Head briefly mentioned me once or twice but I was unclear where that ended up or how serious the suspicion was.

Just about everyone else has expressed some degree of a town read on me. I don't specifically remember speedchuck or tony having anything to say about little old me.

Drago and funnygurl would be the two most "notably assertive" town reads. Both of them stood up to defend me at various points early on. I've voiced my concerns about funnygurl's handling of me already: she defended me against specific accusations but never provided any independent thoughts on me.

I think that there has definitely been a general pro Sloonei vibe so I'm inclined to see people suspecting you as town. The mafia would be avoiding fabricating cases on you in this thread state and if you are one, well naturally they're probably not grilling you hard. I'd say that if you are Mafia, Funnygirl might be. But if you are town I'd be inclined to near townlock TS Account based on what you are saying.

After reading her in more depth I kind of do actually like Funnygirl.

So that really leaves Speedchuck as a glaringly obvious candidate. Why hasn't he got 800 votes?

Have a wall

I feel pretty good about the following names

Dragomir
Leetic
Sloonei
TS Account
Ted
TSP
Turnip Head

I feel kind of meh about

Epi
LC
Radishes

I feel ungood about

Funnygirl
Speedchuck

If you want confirmation that Dragomir is town, he just attacked me for criticising his townie play lol.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:01 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:58 am Despite the fact that his passion towards his LC read feels contrived and spawned from basically nowhere I feel kind of okay about Dragomir.
What makes it contrived and out of nowhere?

You naked voted him with no explanation. You then asked Sloonei why he voted for him and agreed with it. Pretty definitively out of nowhere champ.

Sloonei can you list all the people who have been notably assertive about town reading you vs. those who have been suspecting you?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:00 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:59 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:57 am leetic "justifying suspicion rather than developing reads"
Spoiler: show
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:13 am
ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:57 am
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:06 am
Y'know, this post is a bit weird. Mikey is calling out Sloonei for setup speculation, yet when you look at the first paragraph, that's exactly what he's doing here

Care to explain?
I would like to know from you. Are you worried about me pocketing you?
Mikey's behavior is weird, last game when he was town he wasn't going after the people doing setup speculation despite the fact that there was a lot going on. And what's with this business about pocketing, like of course I'm not going to discount the possibility of someone being scum just because they townread me. Now I'm voting Mikey for this reason.
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:34 am
ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:37 am
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:13 am Mikey's behavior is weird, last game when he was town he wasn't going after the people doing setup speculation despite the fact that there was a lot going on. And what's with this business about pocketing, like of course I'm not going to discount the possibility of someone being scum just because they townread me. Now I'm voting Mikey for this reason.
That's cool. Are you in particular worried about me pocketing you? Just answer the question. It's not like it could hurt you to answer, right?
No, and any player who knows me will tell you that I'm not particularly easy to pocket. But why even ask me in the first place, this seems like a weird question to ask to someone who asked a question to you

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:18 am I think I'm fine making a town core of Sloonei and Mikey for now. Perhaps my more confident town reads / the only ones I feel like I have some reason for.

By the way, full disclosure, I will be aiming for accuracy over stating reads for the sake of being town read for them, which, surprisingly, is what I was usually doing.
I don't know why you want to make a towncore this early in the game. Even ignoring that it's still too early to say for sure whether they're both town, at this point in the game everyone should be participating.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:37 am The activity comment felt out of place, it's perfectly reasonable to ask about the absence of 2 players when it could be an issue that may cause a re-rand, it wouldn't be an issue if, on the other hand, he knew what was going on or his scum buddy wasn't missing. Although that's reaching a bit. Or maybe not. After all, in what world would a scum care if two townies weren't put in the main thread. Kudos to the mod!
I don't really like this post or the post succeeding it. It seems to make the assumption that the two missing players are town, without even considering the possibility that either might not be. I mean, if you operate under the opposite assumption, then you can make the opposite point just as easily ("Scum would be much more concerned about the missing players because their scumbuddy might be missing!"). Overall, it's grasping at straws for a reason to suspect.
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:20 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:14 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:13 pm Has anyone actually tried to defend LC? I'm a bit wary of the growing LC wagon at the moment as D1 wagons with little resistance rarely land on scum.
I didn't even notice that he had votes. Why are you worried about the growth of his wagon? Do you have any particular thoughts on Drago or speedchuck regarding their votes?
Speedchuck joining the wagon seems a bit opportunistic, he had one post that was sort of shading LC but wasn't too enthusiastic (that was a followup from a question by Drago) and then just voted. Judging by the response to your and Dragomir's posts about LC, no one is really defending them, which makes it seem an opportunistic wagon to join on.
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:33 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:36 am @ts account never voted Sloonei through all of this.

Why not?
I do think this is an interesting point, though. Considering that there were already two votes on Sloonei at the time, he may have not wanted to appear too opportunistic. His constant tunneling that day was a waste of time especially for someone who wanted more interaction.
I'll stop there.
Unrelated thought: This list of reads feels arbitrary, and a couple of the reads fit the mold of this post's main premise.
I can see a lot of my civ play in what you're scumreading Leetic for.
I wouldn't say I'm scum reading him.

Okay, scrutinising.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:58 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:45 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:41 am Someone write an essay on Dragomir and Long Con for me plz. I've read little about these people nor engaged with them.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:44 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:23 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:12 am Also @Sloonei what made Leetic go from a strong town read to a scum read?
Just going down the list and checking off names. He's made a few posts that seem more intent on justifying suspicion rather than developing reads, if that makes sense. I can pull up examples if it becomes necessary.
Do it baby.
Holy shit you do this so much hahaha.
What have I done?

Just manifest when I say Dragomir.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:57 am leetic "justifying suspicion rather than developing reads"
Spoiler: show
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:13 am
ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:57 am
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:06 am
Y'know, this post is a bit weird. Mikey is calling out Sloonei for setup speculation, yet when you look at the first paragraph, that's exactly what he's doing here

Care to explain?
I would like to know from you. Are you worried about me pocketing you?
Mikey's behavior is weird, last game when he was town he wasn't going after the people doing setup speculation despite the fact that there was a lot going on. And what's with this business about pocketing, like of course I'm not going to discount the possibility of someone being scum just because they townread me. Now I'm voting Mikey for this reason.
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:34 am
ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:37 am
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:13 am Mikey's behavior is weird, last game when he was town he wasn't going after the people doing setup speculation despite the fact that there was a lot going on. And what's with this business about pocketing, like of course I'm not going to discount the possibility of someone being scum just because they townread me. Now I'm voting Mikey for this reason.
That's cool. Are you in particular worried about me pocketing you? Just answer the question. It's not like it could hurt you to answer, right?
No, and any player who knows me will tell you that I'm not particularly easy to pocket. But why even ask me in the first place, this seems like a weird question to ask to someone who asked a question to you

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:18 am I think I'm fine making a town core of Sloonei and Mikey for now. Perhaps my more confident town reads / the only ones I feel like I have some reason for.

By the way, full disclosure, I will be aiming for accuracy over stating reads for the sake of being town read for them, which, surprisingly, is what I was usually doing.
I don't know why you want to make a towncore this early in the game. Even ignoring that it's still too early to say for sure whether they're both town, at this point in the game everyone should be participating.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:37 am The activity comment felt out of place, it's perfectly reasonable to ask about the absence of 2 players when it could be an issue that may cause a re-rand, it wouldn't be an issue if, on the other hand, he knew what was going on or his scum buddy wasn't missing. Although that's reaching a bit. Or maybe not. After all, in what world would a scum care if two townies weren't put in the main thread. Kudos to the mod!
I don't really like this post or the post succeeding it. It seems to make the assumption that the two missing players are town, without even considering the possibility that either might not be. I mean, if you operate under the opposite assumption, then you can make the opposite point just as easily ("Scum would be much more concerned about the missing players because their scumbuddy might be missing!"). Overall, it's grasping at straws for a reason to suspect.
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:20 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:14 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:13 pm Has anyone actually tried to defend LC? I'm a bit wary of the growing LC wagon at the moment as D1 wagons with little resistance rarely land on scum.
I didn't even notice that he had votes. Why are you worried about the growth of his wagon? Do you have any particular thoughts on Drago or speedchuck regarding their votes?
Speedchuck joining the wagon seems a bit opportunistic, he had one post that was sort of shading LC but wasn't too enthusiastic (that was a followup from a question by Drago) and then just voted. Judging by the response to your and Dragomir's posts about LC, no one is really defending them, which makes it seem an opportunistic wagon to join on.
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:33 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:36 am @ts account never voted Sloonei through all of this.

Why not?
I do think this is an interesting point, though. Considering that there were already two votes on Sloonei at the time, he may have not wanted to appear too opportunistic. His constant tunneling that day was a waste of time especially for someone who wanted more interaction.
I'll stop there.
Unrelated thought: This list of reads feels arbitrary, and a couple of the reads fit the mold of this post's main premise.

I can see a lot of my civ play in what you're scumreading Leetic for.

Despite the fact that his passion towards his LC read feels contrived and spawned from basically nowhere I feel kind of okay about Dragomir.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:55 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:43 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:57 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:55 am I don't see ts as civ anymore.
What changed?
I see nothing but bullshit coming from his side during our interaction. He is wolf. What do you think about LC?
His third post and initial vote for Sloonei are pretty bad. I agree with that.

Not much else to look at.

There is a wolf or wolves in this conversation. I think wolf based on the fact that they are voting together. Not entirely sure that wolf teammates would be voting together right now... otherwise this has all the characteristics of wolves chattering to one another. Speedchuck followed this up with a naked LC vote. I can't tell which of them I am more suspect of out of this, but on the full scale Speedchuck is scummier hence the vote.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:20 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:14 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:13 pm Has anyone actually tried to defend LC? I'm a bit wary of the growing LC wagon at the moment as D1 wagons with little resistance rarely land on scum.
I didn't even notice that he had votes. Why are you worried about the growth of his wagon? Do you have any particular thoughts on Drago or speedchuck regarding their votes?
Speedchuck joining the wagon seems a bit opportunistic, he had one post that was sort of shading LC but wasn't too enthusiastic (that was a followup from a question by Drago) and then just voted. Judging by the response to your and Dragomir's posts about LC, no one is really defending them, which makes it seem an opportunistic wagon to join on.

I'm gonna move my vote from you to Speedchuck right now.

Okay I think a good focal point is the Long Con experience. He is suspicious to me after ISO and then to see that Speedchuck and Dragomir, two null randos are voting for him... yes let's look there some more. Gonna have a geez at the fast one.

I guess upon thinking about it, Dragomir is always lynched in every game so he's probably not super in need of too much scrutiny. A likely self resolve lol.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:41 am Someone write an essay on Dragomir and Long Con for me plz. I've read little about these people nor engaged with them.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:44 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:23 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:12 am Also @Sloonei what made Leetic go from a strong town read to a scum read?
Just going down the list and checking off names. He's made a few posts that seem more intent on justifying suspicion rather than developing reads, if that makes sense. I can pull up examples if it becomes necessary.
Do it baby.

Holy shit you do this so much hahaha.

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:41 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:38 am
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:51 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:42 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:41 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:20 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:20 pm Does anyone else think it's weird that we have ~40 hours left and I'm already at L-3?
No. What's weird about it?
I think it's likely that at least one of my voters is scum. Probably precisely one since it would be risky for mafia to gang up on someone this early
Why? Which one?
It's still pretty early in the game when many users are throwing around suspicions. But a wagon of four people, rather close to the number needed to hammer, is not a thrown suspicion. It's a clear choice. Especially jarring when no other wagon has reached three yet.

One of the users on my wagon is ted, who I have found suspicious for other reasons. But I think the person whose vote on me looks the worst is Mac. First of all is how subtly he voted - he didn't even post that he voted for me until much later, despite being the third vote on me - the point where it becomes a viable wagon. Secondly, when he finally posted a reason for the vote, he just phrased it as following ted and not mentioning anything about me. Overall, a very sneaky vote that was barely noticed, and the results of which are clear.
I was entertaining taking it off tbh. But then you went and did a scummy thing so I thought fuck it.

That said, I forgot we were using the hammer so I'll be careful.
What does this even mean? What exactly are you committing to when you say "I'll be careful"?

I will be careful to ensure that my vote is not contributing to a really stupid hammer lynch before it's reasonable to allow it to do so. Use your imagination and stop trying to gotcha me.

Someone write an essay on Dragomir and Long Con for me plz. I've read little about these people nor engaged with them.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:51 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:42 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:41 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:20 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:20 pm Does anyone else think it's weird that we have ~40 hours left and I'm already at L-3?
No. What's weird about it?
I think it's likely that at least one of my voters is scum. Probably precisely one since it would be risky for mafia to gang up on someone this early
Why? Which one?
It's still pretty early in the game when many users are throwing around suspicions. But a wagon of four people, rather close to the number needed to hammer, is not a thrown suspicion. It's a clear choice. Especially jarring when no other wagon has reached three yet.

One of the users on my wagon is ted, who I have found suspicious for other reasons. But I think the person whose vote on me looks the worst is Mac. First of all is how subtly he voted - he didn't even post that he voted for me until much later, despite being the third vote on me - the point where it becomes a viable wagon. Secondly, when he finally posted a reason for the vote, he just phrased it as following ted and not mentioning anything about me. Overall, a very sneaky vote that was barely noticed, and the results of which are clear.

I was entertaining taking it off tbh. But then you went and did a scummy thing so I thought fuck it.

That said, I forgot we were using the hammer so I'll be careful.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:22 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:40 pm The completionist in me now wants to solve Epi.
You miss me, don't you?

Yeah baby you know it

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:21 pm Of the thirteen people in the thread, I feel like Epi, speed and TSP have been the most under the radar (LC too, but he has been brought up by many people so if that was his strategy it failed). Not sure about TSP since I have never played with him but Epi and speed are typically a lot more vocal and seeing only their comparatively minor contributions to the game seems weird.

Epi and Speed get accused of this a lot tbh. I'm a little perturbed by this post generally. The strategy seems more designed to introduce suspicion on a large random swathe of not you than specifically an earnest attempt to find the mafia.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:27 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:05 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:53 pm Funnygurl earlier said that Ted was townish for voting Leetic because the vote was spicy. I like the reasoning. But I don’t like that for 2 reasons:
1) Leetic was one of only four people who had votes already
2) thats it
I do not understand what you like and dislike here.
I like the argument that spicy voting = town. But I think it’s a little suspicious that 1) voting for Leetic could be considered spicy and 2) she didn’t say anything about me, the other Leetic voter. Unless I missed something.

Yeah you right. Point to you. Point against Humourgal.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:13 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:10 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:52 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:37 pm @Turnip Head let me gaze into your mind. I'd like you to write three sentences with a minimum of ten words each about the status of the game. Chop chop young man.
The status of the game is looking really really good. I think you and me and the others are going to have a great time playing this game. Not every game of mafia ends up becoming a classic but I think this one's gonna be good
-5
Idk it made me laugh

Oh me too but my first reaction was that it was bad, but then I realised that I am just an idiot.

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:22 pm Actually doing something so mundane would be a red flag without the sass.

Yeah you right actually. Good call.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:52 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:37 pm @Turnip Head let me gaze into your mind. I'd like you to write three sentences with a minimum of ten words each about the status of the game. Chop chop young man.
The status of the game is looking really really good. I think you and me and the others are going to have a great time playing this game. Not every game of mafia ends up becoming a classic but I think this one's gonna be good

-5

Plaaaay with me fam

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