The Syndicate

Let's assume Ted's claim is real. Why is it a town claim?

Logic wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:21 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:13 pm

Logic wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:12 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:10 pm Unless the redirector and/or godfather situation is in play. In which case LC is a bigger chance than Oddmerta and Nanook is very unlikely.

It would be nice to know wtf SPF is doing though. Tempted to just info flip her lol.

I think based on the alison cop checks, a winning strategy is most likely flip the two uncleared and then worry about redirector/godfather if we fail to get the mafia in them.

So, I guess this is me half-heartedly offering up a thunderdome?

You consider yourself uncleared?

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME 10 bucks says you end up in an f3 lol.

Unless I misread things, Alison didn't get around to green checking me or spf.

I say flip the two of us first, then if there is still a scum left, it ain't my problem, lol.

She didn't check 7 of the 10 players here.

Let's take the three clears as clean plus SPF plus me.

Tedxtr, Logic, Juliets, PC.

PC not likely.

So my 3 are Ted, Logic and Juliets.

It's hard to prioritise 3 for me.

Nanook is top town. I kinda think Oddmerta is town. SPF doesn't seem likely to be mafia.

I am tinfoiling almost everyone else.

Logic wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:12 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:10 pm Unless the redirector and/or godfather situation is in play. In which case LC is a bigger chance than Oddmerta and Nanook is very unlikely.

It would be nice to know wtf SPF is doing though. Tempted to just info flip her lol.

I think based on the alison cop checks, a winning strategy is most likely flip the two uncleared and then worry about redirector/godfather if we fail to get the mafia in them.

So, I guess this is me half-heartedly offering up a thunderdome?

You consider yourself uncleared?

[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] 10 bucks says you end up in an f3 lol.

We got 10 players. The 3p is not shielding mafia from what it appears so let's call it 9 v 1 for the purposes of rooting out mafia. That gives us 3 misyeets unless the rogue does something drastic.

Everyone please name the 3 players you wish to flip the most.

Would like to know why LC ignored my request to be targeted tbh. I hate it. If nobody claims to have been targeted he's getting my vote.

Someone do a post count sort lol.

Logic wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:09 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:04 pm Nobody really has any tracks left aside from Logic. So there's gonna be no more info here unless @Poison Chan has something to say. So town gonna have to root this last one out the old fashioned way.

Nope: I'm out of tracks.
Dizzy has her conditional racks left, I think.

I think Dizzy is out of shots.

Unless the redirector and/or godfather situation is in play. In which case LC is a bigger chance than Oddmerta and Nanook is very unlikely.

It would be nice to know wtf SPF is doing though. Tempted to just info flip her lol.

As it stands I'm sort of down to thinking it's between Logic and Juliets maybe.

Nobody really has any tracks left aside from Logic. So there's gonna be no more info here unless [mention]Poison Chan[/mention] has something to say. So town gonna have to root this last one out the old fashioned way.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:07 pm RIP Alison, you played a great game. I appreciate your confidence in me. Have fun in the chat.

@MacDougall what made you think you would die tonight?

I just figured if Alison didn't die it would be me and I figured Alison was being carried to later in the game for tinfoil reasons.

Good morning Mr. Magpie

LC didn't target me as I requested btw.

Logic wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:58 pm This sure is a lot of woe from a town that nailed 3 mafia in the first 4 days.

Calm down and focus. Hunt. We have plenty of chances to get this right.

I'm not concerned.

I would be surprised if I'm not the victim tonight but we will see. Good luck everyone.

Thanks for answering all my questions

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:40 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:32 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:31 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:26 pm Also could you explain this?

"I am sure she did it for the express purpose of making sure I went down after her. I am LHF to her, easy to take down. I'll be damned if I let her show everyone she can outsmart me."

I don't understand what you want me to explain. It's very clear cut. She was after me because she see's me as LHF, someone easy to chop. She wanted me to be chopped. I said I would be damned if I let that happen.

Specifically you said she did it for the purpose of making sure you went down AFTER her. That's what I'd like you to explain. How does her actions profile as wanting you to be chained to her scumflip?

Oh I was talking about at the end when she was still pushing me after it looked like she was going down.

So you are saying Nutella was in fact pushing you to make you look like partners?

PS. I've been watching Suits lately so I'm grilling you like a lawyer in a deposition lol.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:31 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:26 pm Also could you explain this?

"I am sure she did it for the express purpose of making sure I went down after her. I am LHF to her, easy to take down. I'll be damned if I let her show everyone she can outsmart me."

I don't understand what you want me to explain. It's very clear cut. She was after me because she see's me as LHF, someone easy to chop. She wanted me to be chopped. I said I would be damned if I let that happen.

Specifically you said she did it for the purpose of making sure you went down AFTER her. That's what I'd like you to explain. How does her actions profile as wanting you to be chained to her scumflip?

Let me paint a picture Juliets. You tell me that if you were mafia with Nutella it wouldn't go down like this.

Step 1 - Nutella would distance from you. Nutella is someone who would need to do this because you and her have played together too much if you town read each other or avoided engagement it would out the other if one of you flipped. True or false?

Step 2 - If there was a chance of saving your partner going down day 1 you would have a go at taking it would you not? You'd at least lend your voice to naysayers.

Step 3 - Is it not possible that seeing that there is no way to save your partner you decide to not move your vote after all? Would nutella not encourage you to keep your vote there in that scenario, knowing what you know about her?

Also could you explain this?

"I am sure she did it for the express purpose of making sure I went down after her. I am LHF to her, easy to take down. I'll be damned if I let her show everyone she can outsmart me."

You did make that Colin post. So in the middle of deducing nutella was actually mafia and not moving your vote you thought it pertinent to attempt to push onto someone else?

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:17 pm It's bullshit that I was waiting for anyone to appear.

Maybe. Maybe you were going to switch off but couldn't find a valid reason to vote Tim. Maybe you and Nutella decided it was safer for you to just leave your vote there.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:16 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:13 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:16 pm The role is believable to me. Now what?

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:22 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:19 pm I don't think she's fake. It's too random. Boats? C'mon. Also she'd come up with a fake claim that'd be more believable if she was fake.

Yeah it's the boat part that got me too.

I don't see where you determined she was scum. More like you just left your vote there because you didn't get enough other votes/JPIC and Samu didn't show up in time.

I did not say outright "I am staying on nutella" I just stayed on her. Is there a problem with that? Things were a whirlwind during that EOD.

I think there is. You are generally someone who likes to explain yourself. You also like to explore people's thoughts to evaluate situations. You didn't do that at the end of the day. You just stated you believed her, sheeped me with a succinct post and otherwise said nada. I don't see how you wouldn't say anything if you were paying enough attention to change your opinion.

Tell me what exactly made you change your mind back to her being mafia?

It's a facetious argument Juliets. Even if Samu and JPIC were sitting in scum chat with you for Tim to go over would require basically all of you to have moved. Mafia teams don't do that.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:12 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:09 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:34 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:02 am actually not as confident while typing out the stuff I had

lol

ted, if I were Nutella's mafia partner I certainly would have taken the opportunity to vote for Tim at the end of day 1 when some of us were having second thoughts about her claiming she had a boat that protected people. It was a perfect opportunity to jump off of her like some others did. In the end though I was convinced she was mafia and stayed on her.

Is that so. I don't recall you ever saying this before. In fact you were in agreement with me at the time that her claim was believable and never updated that opinion.

I said in my message to ted "when some of us were having second thoughts...". Us includes me. At the end though I stayed on nutella. My point to Ted is I could have easily moved to Tim since I had shown some doubt but I didn't. Why would I stay on her if I were her mafia partner?

Why would mafia who is voting nutella move to Tim if there is no chance of it going over?

And if you really did change your mind like you say why didn't you say as much at any point at the end of the day or when I called you out on not moving off her several times on day 2?

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:16 pm The role is believable to me. Now what?

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:22 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:19 pm I don't think she's fake. It's too random. Boats? C'mon. Also she'd come up with a fake claim that'd be more believable if she was fake.

Yeah it's the boat part that got me too.

I don't see where you determined she was scum. More like you just left your vote there because you didn't get enough other votes/JPIC and Samu didn't show up in time.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:34 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:02 am actually not as confident while typing out the stuff I had

lol

ted, if I were Nutella's mafia partner I certainly would have taken the opportunity to vote for Tim at the end of day 1 when some of us were having second thoughts about her claiming she had a boat that protected people. It was a perfect opportunity to jump off of her like some others did. In the end though I was convinced she was mafia and stayed on her.

Is that so. I don't recall you ever saying this before. In fact you were in agreement with me at the time that her claim was believable and never updated that opinion.

I believe he has claimed to have one left

And [mention]Alison[/mention] check Juliets

I want both Juliets and Long Con to target me tonight plz.

What better way to dodge potential trackers/watchers than just go where you're told? To NOT do so would be dumb.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:12 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:10 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:08 am Counterpoint is that if Jules is town she IS trying to target likely mafia targets

She's just targeting who I tell her to. And I'm not sending her to places I think mafia are killing amigo.

Presumably you’re sending her places the mafia are potentially going to target though yeah

And they’ve just been killing those instead of hitting them with negative actions

Like the overlap between people mafia want to kill and want to hit with roles is pretty high usually

Not a single person expected TSP or Wilgy to die. I sent her to them so that mafia couldn't disrupt their activity. Mafia have no agenda to kill them if they have no concern over what they're going to do that night. TSP had nothing left. It didn't make sense then and doesn't now.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:12 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:11 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:11 am The only thing that can truly out juliets is a watcher

Ah but that's actually not true my friend lol.

what, you got some shenanigans up your sleeve? lol

*touches nose*

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:11 am The only thing that can truly out juliets is a watcher

Ah but that's actually not true my friend lol.

I didn't send Juliets to MR, TSP or Wilgy thinking they were ever getting shot over some of the others.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:08 am Counterpoint is that if Jules is town she IS trying to target likely mafia targets

She's just targeting who I tell her to. And I'm not sending her to places I think mafia are killing amigo.

Let me be clear I'm only looking at her because like everyone has town claims. She hasn't been scummy, has spew in her favour and buried mafia. She just hasn't got any mech evidence that she's town and targeted the NK 4 times.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:07 am I mean, yeah, you do have a point, I'd only claim that if I am the kp carrier for the rest of the game

still doesn't feel like a claim I'd endgame with?

Well maybe not but when she made the claim she had partners lol.

We have Nanook who is trying to target the NK and had failed 5 times.

We have Juliets who isn't and has succeeded 4 times lol.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:02 am As a scum, you claim that and a tracker follows you. If you're x-shot and you get spotted on some random, you're immediately outed.

She had her night targets forced on her from n3 onwards. The game has trackers and watchers. She can't afford to go anywhere but where she says. She can't be caught by trackers cuz even if she gets tracked to the kill she was going there anyway.

I just find it very strange that three people she visited died is all. And a fourth that only didn't cuz Tutuu saved her.

Juliets in a game full of trackers and watchers needs to not lie about where she goes.

I dunno I'm not sold either but there are holes in her game fmpov. I've seen no evidence of her role affecting the game.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:54 am Odd is green checked? When?

Most recent check.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:51 am Idk, her role sounds pretty weak for a mafia role. Also questioning how you would be able to confirm it at all. Sounds like a role bound to get outed at some point due to mechanics at one point or another, if you were to fake claim it.

Her role is an easy fake claim. It's just a lie no? What evidence is there she ever stopped a mafia role landing?

3p tracker? Cuz pretty sure Dyachei proved herself as a tracker.

I'm still tinfoiling Juliets. She targeted town that died three times. I also initially read her/Nutella as potentially staged too. And Fallen Prince was on course for getting destroyed day 1 til the sub out.

Alison green checked Oddmerta dude.

I remember losing to a non killing townsiding 3p once after towning super hard and killing all the mafia. It sucked.