The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:45 pm I've reached my post cap for tonight. I also think the late arrivals will benefit from my mouth being taped shut. See y'all tomorrow.

linki: damnit Mac. I'm trying to stop. What is ELI5? Explain your meaning and I'll answer tomorrow.

Explain like I'm 5 years old.

Jimmy can you please ELI5 Quin's posts in contrast to what those posts you believe to have "hunting legitimacy".

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:40 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:37 pm Quin, if you are a civilian it would be a sad place to be being hounded by Jimmy and I in this manner, so I'll cut you some slack and stop commenting on you for a while and give you some chance to actually play the game from a non disadvantageous position.

I'd rather you just hounded me. At least you'd be speaking your mind.

I'm not doing this for your benefit I am doing it because I believe that giving you space is of benefit to the civilian cause whether you are a civilian or not. I'd rather see you freed up from pressure to read you further, and I'd rather investigate some other angles for a time.

Quin, if you are a civilian it would be a sad place to be being hounded by Jimmy and I in this manner, so I'll cut you some slack and stop commenting on you for a while and give you some chance to actually play the game from a non disadvantageous position.

I feel like Wilgy is just being a day 0 provocateur and I doubt the legitimacy of his POV. I also feel that you are barking up the wrong tree sir.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:23 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:21 pm Then why did you feel the need to support your point with mention of speedchuck's, Sloonei's and MacDougall's reads then? "Quin's reads are bad because theirs are more explicit". What?

Drawing a contrast to players who are making reads in a way I read as sincere sheds light on why I suspect yours to be insincere. This is obvious. You're making up questions and you didn't answer my demand.

Bingo my dude. That post made zero sense.

"Why would you show me an example of what you feel is legitimate hunting to draw contrast to mine?"

Answer: Because it highlights the reasons for which I believe you to be bad.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:55 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:52 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:21 pm MacDougall is a civilian because he just explained the orange names in my rainbow list for me, with pretty much the same rationale, without me having to explain them myself.

Did I? Where did I do that?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:52 pm Dave
Jackofhearts2005
nutella
Quin

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:52 pm Have felt pings from Dave, Quin and Nutella. Will explain them in a future post.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:43 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:02 pm oh hey guys

most of the people who have posted so far look civ so far, but then most of them are the people who always look civ to me. Sloonei's alternate interpretation of Quin is interesting though and Quin is someone I'm always waffly on.

Made is zany as usual. Not sure what he's on about but I think he's just being Made.

Out of the so-far-civ-reads I think my strongest 3 are Sloonei, Kyle, and Jack. They're safe from my D1 vote at this point unless something changes.

oh and welcome new people! I'm getting tired of reading posts from the same 6-7 people so let's see some thoughts k

Interesting that you hen picked who to make reads on/comment on after starting the post like you were about to skim read everybody.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:09 pm

Dave wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:02 pm although i m new to format and lack knowledge of mortal kombat i voted for outworld too as it makes sense as explained by jay, given current scum reads i dont have one i see dat people sus quin but i have to read more from him to give a verdict

So Dave's only made this one post. I've got zero meta on this guy as I've never played with him and I do have a history of getting pinged by people incorrectly and given it's just one post it's probably a relatively meaningless ping. I simply don't like that he justified his vote for Outworld as simply as deferring to Jay's explanation, which was actually a relatively decent justification and that is not what I am calling into question, I just doubt the sincerity of Dave's belief in Jimmy being an adequate reason to vote.

Also it has a bit of a tone of a forced introductory post. Those more familiar with this Dave can comment on what his town intro posts are generally like or Dave is like in general.

I'm not satisfied that I did what you say I did given there are four of your orange reads and I only commented at length on one but I'll put it down to you just being enthusiastic and speaking out of line.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:58 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:57 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:50 pm

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:48 pm Mac, what is your read of quin?

His reaction to the initial suspicion of him was fairly ambiguous. His lack of genuine townlike play is alarming. I have him as my biggest scumread.

lack of genuine townlike play, huh

I see less overtly civilian inspiration in you than I'd expect from 40+ Day 0 posts.

I didn't re-read your content before I said that but if I am being honest I didn't even know you had made any reads. I've been trying to carefully read everything too. Sorry.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:11 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:06 pm I'll put my continued concerns about Quin into words:

He has made a lot of posts in quick succession. Typically this is something I would like. It's great to facilitate content and to generate a real life bonafide Mafia game thread. However, in Quin's posts I see a lot of reads thrown into a heap with few or no legible origins -- they seem to merely exist for the sake of existence. This contrasts the facilitation provided by other early contributors (Sloonei, speedchuck, and MacDougall to name a few) which features reads drawn from visible thread content. Their reads might not be well-informed, understandably on Day 0, but I still know where they came from. Quin's reads? I generally don't know. I'm not sure he does either.

"Gut."

I question the sincerity of this facilitation effort and wonder if it's meant for appearances.

I've given three reads. Kyle, Sloonei, and Elohcin. All of which have clear origins if you don't need me to spell everything out to the letter.

I don't know why you're comparing my reads to others as though that factor alone is indicative of alignment.

It's Day 0 and you're already tunneling.

I don't think that is tunneling. What Wilgy is doing to Sloonei is tunneling. Jimmy is actually making reads based on your content. Wilgy said that Sloonei was bad and has now been provoking him in an attempt to justify his opinion. He's even refused to extrapolate on his reads.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:11 pm okay before we get too much further i want to ask real quick...

@Dave
@Glorfindel
@Gumshoe
@lapluie
@MacDougall
@novaselinenever
@TonyStarkPrime

could you each briefly summarize your past mafia playing history? How long have you been playing for? What site are you from? Have you played on the syndicate before? If no, are there any players in this game you have prior experience playing with?

To what end?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:13 pm This is MacDougall's first game ever.

This.

PS. @wilgy, no actually I am a civ.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:21 pm MacDougall is a civilian because he just explained the orange names in my rainbow list for me, with pretty much the same rationale, without me having to explain them myself.

Did I? Where did I do that?

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:48 pm Mac, what is your read of quin?

His reaction to the initial suspicion of him was fairly ambiguous. His lack of genuine townlike play is alarming. I have him as my biggest scumread.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:45 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:32 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:18 pm I'm familiar with him. Don't really know where you're going with this. I don't see why would he lie about his reason to vote. He's new to this format and don't really know what's going on. He could just vote at random without justifying it and I'm sure most people wouldn't have a problem with it.

I do agree though that the post felt like a forced introduction. And he didn't stick around afterwards.

You've discarded one of Mac's suspicions of Dave and accepted the other. What is your own read on Dave?

I discarded the first one because, imo, the justification for his vote or lack of justification doesn't mean anything. He is new and isn't used to this format. I myself voted and I can't justify my choice because I don't know what's going on.

My read on him : I'm suspicious of him. I know him to be much more active. His post felt forced as if he just wanted to seem like he participated.

I am pinged the way that you made a passing remark to somewhat discredit me even though you agree that he's sus.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:34 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:50 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:24 pm Jesus Christ guys. 5 pages on day 0. Stooooooop.

I'm going to prove to you that Sloonei is bad this game. I have a real good feeling about that. He is bad an I'm a doctor!

Also Made has wilgy as his second strongest town read on the strength of this post and nothing else (wilgy's only other contribution at the time of made's rainbow was an OT comment about jack's avatar). I guess I overlooked this post when I was discussing Made's observation about heat on me, but I don't really take this seriously since it doesn't seem like wilgy's expressing an actual suspicion of me, rather he's just shaking his fist at me for having close to 50 posts on Day 0. I'd shake my fist at me too. That's ridiculous.
I don't understand any of Made's reads, I guess, but that doesn't stop me from liking that they exist at this point.

Why did it take you so long to comment on this? Why did you provide a reason other than suspicion when I said I was suspicious of you?

Wow you're really going to tunnel him straight out the gate aren't you... uninterested in genuinely finding bad guys and instead more interested in just getting Sloonei lynched? The question is whether you were genuinely pinged by him and now just want to feel great about your bad guy hunting skill or whether you are just fake hunting as a scum guy. Could be possible hard distancing as scum teammates... I would totally expect that of you two so that's gotta be on the table.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:36 pm Bad guys are Hazlenut, Mac, and Sloonster.

Dis is de wae.

Actually, I'm not. But thanks for trying.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:58 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:12 pm That said

@novaselinenever

Gimmie a read on somebody.

Everyone is neutral so far to me. Trying to remember the usernames so I can follow people more and get reads.

Perhaps try working backwards from some other angles. Why is Player X bad. Why is Player Y good. Rather than feeling it out and hoping for an aha! moment. Change the way you are reading the posts? Would Mac say this to me if he was good, if he was bad? Etc.

Sorry I meant to say pinged by people I am unfamiliar with incorrectly, though the comment there is not incorrect either haha.

Dave wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:02 pm although i m new to format and lack knowledge of mortal kombat i voted for outworld too as it makes sense as explained by jay, given current scum reads i dont have one i see dat people sus quin but i have to read more from him to give a verdict

So Dave's only made this one post. I've got zero meta on this guy as I've never played with him and I do have a history of getting pinged by people incorrectly and given it's just one post it's probably a relatively meaningless ping. I simply don't like that he justified his vote for Outworld as simply as deferring to Jay's explanation, which was actually a relatively decent justification and that is not what I am calling into question, I just doubt the sincerity of Dave's belief in Jimmy being an adequate reason to vote.

Also it has a bit of a tone of a forced introductory post. Those more familiar with this Dave can comment on what his town intro posts are generally like or Dave is like in general.

I do believe that KOFM and Sloonei are both town.

Have felt pings from Dave, Quin and Nutella. Will explain them in a future post.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:42 pm @MacDougall

Pick out a baddie and I'll help you lynch them.

Sick buddying.

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:30 pm note, this is the first game I remember ever seeing slooni take any sort of heat. very interesting to see tbh.
nywhozies day zero rainbow cuz y not

Quin
Wilgy
Kyle
Eloh
Nutella
SpeedChuck
JJJ
Jack
Slooni
MacDougle


Dave

linki- move kyle to top of list and JJJ to above speedchuck

How frustrating to be the scummiest read the only player who has done a rainbow has, yet the very same fellow hasn't done me the courtesy to explain himself in any way, leaving me no possible avenue with which to explain away any of the potential reasons he might have for said read. How very frustrating.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:02 pm oh hey guys

most of the people who have posted so far look civ so far, but then most of them are the people who always look civ to me. Sloonei's alternate interpretation of Quin is interesting though and Quin is someone I'm always waffly on.

Made is zany as usual. Not sure what he's on about but I think he's just being Made.

Out of the so-far-civ-reads I think my strongest 3 are Sloonei, Kyle, and Jack. They're safe from my D1 vote at this point unless something changes.

oh and welcome new people! I'm getting tired of reading posts from the same 6-7 people so let's see some thoughts k

Interesting that you hen picked who to make reads on/comment on after starting the post like you were about to skim read everybody.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:15 am I have a really juicy hot take right now and I bet you folks are just dying to hear it.

Go on.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:55 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:54 am

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:44 am No, I lied.

I don't think you actually care about the read you've given me so far. That's natural for you in trying to progress Day 0/1 though.

Lynch all liars.

Tell me about Kylemii.

I had a ping at first which I am prone to do when people are being enthusiastic in the way that Kylemii seemed to be (see Sloonei's description) but further posts seem relatively genuine. I don't accept Jimmy's argument for clearing as that's just as likely if not more so just common phrasing that Kylemii uses.

Thank you for the question. What were you expecting me to say?

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:44 am No, I lied.

I don't think you actually care about the read you've given me so far. That's natural for you in trying to progress Day 0/1 though.

Lynch all liars.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:41 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:38 am http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... f=27&t=769 - Location visit fun

I neither played nor watched closely. How'd it work?

Vote on location to go to at night. Won by majority vote I believe. That would end up with us spending the next day on that location which had the below effects

Locations:

Tatooine
You may put your vote up for sale this phase (HOST SECRET: Only the Hutts can buy these votes)

Yavin IV
A strategic war room, submit a list of roles and your guesses for who is behind each role to the Hosts. Earn 4 credits for each correct guess (your own role is not included).

Hoth
If someone from The Empire is lynched, those who voted for that person receive a number of credits equal to the number of votes it took to lynch him.

Dagobah
Force users get 10 credits for each Force user still alive.

Alderaan
As the soul of the Great Republic, participants will vote on which five should receive financial backing (bonus credits).

Cloud City
PULL

Endor
The forest of Endor houses a shield generator; an unscrupulous Ewok has taken it over and is using it for personal gain. He’ll protect the top three bidders tonight.

Death Star
If someone from The Rebel Alliance is lynched, those who voted for that person receive a number of credits equal to the number of votes it took to lynch him or her.

Epi built the game too I am quite sure.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:38 am To be clear: I voted in the poll with no real thought given to its impact on the game. I just wanted to vote.

I voted in the poll because Outworld is where the real shit goes down in the story. So basically let's get fucken started.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... f=27&t=769 - Location visit fun

Quin I'm sorry buddy but I actually had the same thoughts as Jimmy as I was going through page 1. Then when I read him say it I got a little bit frustrated that he stole my thunder. As you well know I am never wrong on a day 1 read so you might as well just give up.

Look to the star... wars.