The Syndicate

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:10 am I don't buy it Sloonei, I just don't. Where were the civilian torch bearers when this travesty was going down? Who let's a lynch go down on someone based on three posts when there was 19 pages of shit to analyze? I trust Kyle that's about it. And I am super disappointed he moved. I thought I trusted Epi too, but now I'm not so sure. How did YOU not see through that bullshit?

When have I ever silently sat back and let myself get lynched without saying anything?

Bullshit.

linki: Exactly Epi, why the fuck would I have just watched myself get lynched. I posted the fastest I could.

So ask yourselves, if I was honest about my not having time and being at work, why would it not raise any questions about why you all would lynch someone who is absent?

This is just so much nonsense i can't believe you all fell for it.

Sloonei I absolutely DO believe you are bad.

Earnest post. I tried to defend you but I never had a viable candidate to vote for because I civ read both the other guys and I just yeah froze.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:02 am When I posted a response to Sloonei, that was the first I had seen it and from the typos it should be obvious that was a rushed post in hopes of stopping the insanity.

Seriously, look at this lynch there was some really questionable stuff that went down. And the only good thing about it is you aren't losing a powerful civ.

Lynch Sloonei.

Marmot did it.

I feel like an accessory to a terrible murder

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:52 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:50 am Sloonei, your top four civilian reads GO
Speedchuck, you, Mac, FZ

Although mac's current treatment of daisy will look bad if she is scum.

My vote is still on her.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:48 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:44 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:42 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:40 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:39 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:37 am Daisy is an easy and unfair lynch too now. It has to be one of you imo.
Ooh, I never like this thing. Mac read dropping.
I would feel bad for her. Thats all there is to the comment.
I wouldn't. She's trying to get me lynched. Just put yourself in my shoes and be absolved.
Scum don't get lynched like that. It's too easy.

One of you is probably Mafia. The EOD intensity feels like a potential hit.
You're still planted on Spacedaisy. Why?

I am undecided.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:42 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:40 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:39 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:37 am Daisy is an easy and unfair lynch too now. It has to be one of you imo.
Ooh, I never like this thing. Mac read dropping.
I would feel bad for her. Thats all there is to the comment.
I wouldn't. She's trying to get me lynched. Just put yourself in my shoes and be absolved.

Scum don't get lynched like that. It's too easy.

One of you is probably Mafia. The EOD intensity feels like a potential hit.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:40 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:39 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:37 am Daisy is an easy and unfair lynch too now. It has to be one of you imo.
Ooh, I never like this thing. Mac read dropping.
I would feel bad for her. Thats all there is to the comment.

Nah man they are here to defend and she isn't. I had that happen to me and it sucks.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:39 am Sloonei still cares about who dies in his place because he is invested in more about this lynch than "not me".

I read that the other way.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:39 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:37 am Daisy is an easy and unfair lynch too now. It has to be one of you imo.
Ooh, I never like this thing. Mac read dropping.

I would feel bad for her. Thats all there is to the comment.

Epi seems not to care about his possible demise. Sloonei does. I think if one is scum it's Sloonei but I don't think he is.

We should be lynching Kylemii.

Daisy is an easy and unfair lynch too now. It has to be one of you imo.

Epi wagon has civ reads of mine on it.

Sloonei wagon has scum reads of mine on it.

But I don't want to lynch either.

Fucks sake. This lynch sucks.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:31 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:28 am Epignosis gave me a pass because I'm a shitty Day 1 lynch.

"Because if I'm good, then that's an active, vocal, passionate mafia-hunter gone, one who didn't even get a real chance to catch somebody."

So instead we lynch Sloonei.

My clone.

Moved my vote.
Your clone.

Jesus.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:05 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:03 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:37 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:31 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:27 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:12 pmThat's rich coming from someone who didn't notice that my rainbow was copied from the previous page.
"wow, i can't believe you actually really believed i was telling the truth while i was obviously being purposefully deceptive for a weird joke"
I didn't post the rainbow list to make a joke. I posted the rainbow list to determine the level to which people were paying attention to see if I could analyse any level of collusion.
Has there been any analysis by Mac on collusion levels?
No because I didn't find any.
Looks like you just posted the rainbow list to be a shit-disturber, and made up this collusion test after to try and give it more validity.

Looks like that doesn't it.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:58 pm Buahahahahahaha!!!

Think of the positives sloonbeard. If we lynch you and you flip Civ, that basically hard confirms the Kyle is bad and soft confirms Mac is his teammate :^)))))))

How?

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:37 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:31 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:27 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:12 pmThat's rich coming from someone who didn't notice that my rainbow was copied from the previous page.
"wow, i can't believe you actually really believed i was telling the truth while i was obviously being purposefully deceptive for a weird joke"
I didn't post the rainbow list to make a joke. I posted the rainbow list to determine the level to which people were paying attention to see if I could analyse any level of collusion.
Has there been any analysis by Mac on collusion levels?

No because I didn't find any.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:34 pm Based on Mac's eventual reasons for lynching me (aside from PoE), I wonder how he'd feel about a Daisy lynch.

Fine

Marmot is it fair to say your vote for Epi is a self preservation vote or are you going to try to convince us it's based on analysis of some kind?

*thread subject

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:26 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:23 pm Here's the tldr Spacedaisy.

I'm good. Marmot may be bad.

Sloondog or Kyle is bad but both both.

Mac may be Epi or Kyle teammate compatible.

Hazlenut is cute.

I'm buddying Speedchuck.

Disregard everything J3 says.
What about all the quiet people?

Anyway, pretty sure DrWilgy is civilian here, because he only talked about the people who are talking a lot, meaning he has been reading the thread somewhat thoroughly, meaning he knows who is butting heads with who.

Into the green for him.

The reason you two became the threat subject is primarily because you were in group 3 of my actual rainbow and I started using POE on the players I was mafia reading in group 1.

As it stands I would prefer a nutella lynch but I don't see that happening. You are the next best via my deductions.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:23 pm Here's the tldr @Spacedaisy.

I'm good. Marmot may be bad.

Sloondog or Kyle is bad but not both.

Mac may be Epi or Kyle teammate compatible.

Hazlenut is cute.

I'm buddying Speedchuck.

Disregard everything J3 says.

This is all accurate except I would add that Wilgy is also probably bad and I fixed a typo.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:19 pm Ok, holy shit ya'll! I left for work and thought maybe I could slowly catch up on the last three pages. Now there are ten more. There is no way I can catch up with this before the day ends so I'm probably going to random vote between the people earning votes.

Nah ask for cliffnotes or something. This isn't cool.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:51 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:45 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:44 pm Can somebody summarize the cases against marmot and epi for me? I've seen discussion of them, but it's hard to pin down the central points.
Marmot = Waffly. Posting inconsistently. Low contribution but seems to be around a bit. Seems to be picking and choosing what to comment on but never making waves. POE.

Epi is someone elses cross to bear.
Of course I pick and choose what I comment on. I can't respond to every single post.

My thought is you have done it in a way so as to only be choosing to comment on things that have little chance of exposing you. Keeping up appearances.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:47 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:37 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:32 pm Whose idea was it to create the false dilemma of lynching myself or DrWilgy because we are "cruising making jokes" when that is not what is happening.

I'm looking at you MacDougall.
I decided I'd rather see two people who aren't contributing well enough for me to analyse (my group 3) lynched and you two are the best choice the group because you've made the most posts. Then someone else said they had a town read on Wilgy so we're frog marching you off the roof unless you can show some reason why we shouldn't ...

Tell us your reads. Do something. Sure, come at the person who decided to start a wagon on you that's fine. Anything is good if you're a civ and don't want to be lynched.
That's ridiculous. Your original rainbow list had me in the green section. How am I suddenly your primary lynch target because you decided I'm not contributing enough (after I actually started contributing) and because someone else had a town read of DrWilgy?

So you haven't read the extended discussion about how my rainbow list was actually just speedchuck's?

You've never been a town read. You have been no higher than null all game. Mostly this is based on POE. If you want to be spared you should try to include yourself in the E.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:44 pm Can somebody summarize the cases against marmot and epi for me? I've seen discussion of them, but it's hard to pin down the central points.

Marmot = Waffly. Posting inconsistently. Low contribution but seems to be around a bit. Seems to be picking and choosing what to comment on but never making waves. POE.

Epi is someone elses cross to bear.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:42 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:40 pm Jimmy would you say that this is consistent with how Kylemii responds to significant case making in games where he has ended up civilian ie. Pirates? That is a long ass ISO you linked me and I wasn't in the game so I actually found it hard to really get my head into the content.
I honestly can't remember playing in another game where that happened. I was a co-host of Pirates and thought that he was being cased for really silly reasons, and I do think he at least fought hard against it. I can't speak to the specific tone or candor.

We should lynch him to establish a benchmark then.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:40 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:37 pm I decided I'd rather see two people who aren't contributing well enough for me to analyse (my group 3) lynched and you two are the best choice the group because you've made the most posts.
Epignosis, please talk to me about this sentence.

You'd rather talk to him about it than me? Weird.

Jimmy would you say that this is consistent with how Kylemii responds to significant case making in games where he has ended up civilian ie. Pirates? That is a long ass ISO you linked me and I wasn't in the game so I actually found it hard to really get my head into the content.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:32 pm Whose idea was it to create the false dilemma of lynching myself or DrWilgy because we are "cruising making jokes" when that is not what is happening.

I'm looking at you MacDougall.

I decided I'd rather see two people who aren't contributing well enough for me to analyse (my group 3) lynched and you two are the best choice the group because you've made the most posts. Then someone else said they had a town read on Wilgy so we're frog marching you off the roof unless you can show some reason why we shouldn't ...

Tell us your reads. Do something. Sure, come at the person who decided to start a wagon on you that's fine. Anything is good if you're a civ and don't want to be lynched.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:24 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:24 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:22 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:21 pm actually sloonei is sounding more and more full of shit the longer this goes on tbh
No I'm not.
Yeah you really aren't ... Either nutella is trying to not understand you or tired or something because your case is far more compelling than anything else I've seen spat up today.
I'm not trying to not understand his case. I understand his case perfectly. I don't agree with it.

O...k I just presumed you didn't because I really can't see how his case looks like bullshit at all.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:22 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:21 pm actually sloonei is sounding more and more full of shit the longer this goes on tbh
No I'm not.

Yeah you really aren't ... Either nutella is trying to not understand you or tired or something because your case is far more compelling than anything else I've seen spat up today.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:19 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:16 pm Can anyone point me to a game Kyle was lynched in as Mafia where he had a chance to defend himself?
Unfortunately there is no example (unless he was mafia in some distant past game here). The only scum game of his I know of was a one-day-phase game on a Star Craft forum. I wouldn't know where to find it either. I'll check really fast.

It would be just as useful just to be pointed at any game he was lynched in that he had a chance to dispute.

Can anyone point me to a game Kyle was lynched in as Mafia where he had a chance to defend himself?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:13 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:10 pm Fair enough. So that leaves you in a situation where you don't really have any strong Mafia reads then, is that a fair comment?
It's a fair comment. I have stronger civilian reads, which leaves me with a POE pool alongside residual Epignosis tinfoil.

I am in the same position.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:10 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:03 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:59 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:50 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:49 pm I changed my mind, Sloonei your case is really bad. It's tunnel-y and it's not even internally consistent. It's build on hypotheticals ways that you think a town Kyle should react to situations that don't apply in reality because I don't fit into your cookie cutter viewpoint of what I should be like.
Is my effort irrelevant now?
Yeah. It's not a good case, it's just a long case.

and like you said it would be easy for a mafia Sloonei to invest super hard in this tunnel thing you're doing for town credit. After I died you could just be like "well I was really sure about it, didn't you see my 18 paragraph essay"
Does this make me a scum read?
I would absolutely vote for you right now if everyone else was down to. I think your case is stretchy and opportunistic and I don't see you doing all this as a civ. You've done nothing but tunnel me all day. I don't think you've given reads on anyone but me or Epignosis.

What Sloonei did was provide clear insight on why he thinks you are Mafia, when you were in a tie vote position, because the thread was in much need of some analysis on you to determine whether or not to pursue you, Epi or someone else. What he did is an extreme town move in my opinion.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:05 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:04 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:00 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:57 pm JJJ I see you have switched from Epignosis to Marmot. What was the reason you have relented off Epignosis to float to the candidate I've put forth given that my argument for not lynching Epignosis amounted primarily to keeping you accountable? Do you desire to keep yourself accountable?
I don't care what Epignosis does with me. My primary hesitation right now with lynching him stems from his recent effort to indicate who "cares about the roof" -- who shouldn't be lynched. If there's one thing I would expect less from mafia Epignosis, it'd be credit handouts.
So you are saying that you would rather snap lynch Marmot than the guy you have been hounding all day 1 because he started to make town reads?
For the moment, yes. I don't give a shit what I did all Day 1. I give a shit where my final vote lands.

Fair enough. So that leaves you in a situation where you don't really have any strong Mafia reads then, is that a fair comment?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:00 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:57 pm JJJ I see you have switched from Epignosis to Marmot. What was the reason you have relented off Epignosis to float to the candidate I've put forth given that my argument for not lynching Epignosis amounted primarily to keeping you accountable? Do you desire to keep yourself accountable?
I don't care what Epignosis does with me. My primary hesitation right now with lynching him stems from his recent effort to indicate who "cares about the roof" -- who shouldn't be lynched. If there's one thing I would expect less from mafia Epignosis, it'd be credit handouts.

So you are saying that you would rather snap lynch Marmot than the guy you have been hounding all day 1 because he started to make town reads?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:15 pm I agree with your green reads Mac, save perhaps LC. I don't have much of a read there. What's your inspiration?

I could understand the rationality LC had with his posts that you seemed to disagree with. It's part of the reason I am suspicious of you.

JJJ I see you have switched from Epignosis to Marmot. What was the reason you have relented off Epignosis to float to the candidate I've put forth given that my argument for not lynching Epignosis amounted primarily to keeping you accountable? Do you desire to keep yourself accountable?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:54 pm Solon is town
Could lynch marmot
DizY is town
Not comfortable with the way this tie is going

Hot potato marmot or consolidate people

Linki marmite

Who is Solon?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:50 pm Everyone please reply to this.

If one of Marmot or Wilgy were to be lynched today, who would you prefer it be?

Not a hard question guys. Please answer.

FZ is a player who I tend to not read very well generally but I am fairly confident that she wouldn't have come across like she was genuinely upset by the fact that I wasn't being "helpful" if she was Mafia. The comment would have been different, perhaps even jocular.

Everyone please reply to this.

If one of Marmot or Wilgy were to be lynched today, who would you prefer it be?

Can we move on from Epi, Jay, Kyle, Sloonei and focus on someone else. Like Marmot?

Case #1 - Can you unequivocally say he is playing civ? What's he done of benefit to the civ cause?
Case #2 - His vote is on Dizzy ... wtf
Case #3 - He has avoided all the major points of discussion

I kind of hate it when random late day candidates pop up and get wagoned but fuck it let's lynch Marmot.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:30 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:29 pm gth read on Sloonei is civ now. I don't think a mafia Sloonei would put so much effort into a case he would know is wrong, barring some truly buckwild wifom.
Do you know what a mafia sloonbeard looks like?

He is mafia so infrequently it's hard to know but when we started playing (like 6 fucking years ago) he drew scum more often than not in the first 10 or so games we played and he tended to struggle a bit more as Mafia than he does as a civ. I'd say that the best way to play Sloonei is just to treat him by the book.

Wilgy and Marmot are totally cruising making jokes while a game is going on around them. Let's lynch one of them.

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