The Syndicate

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:22 am what is specific about the magpie role that makes it have 3p equity? if i assume that mac is magpie, why should i be 3p reading him?

i'm in between a rock and a hard place in that i actually have no idea who the 3p is, because i can't hunt for them like i'd be able to hunt for other scum

The only person who is saying it has 3p equity is me, and it's less that the magpie role has 3p equity and more that you having it and me not having any other information about it makes it seem like the 3p. 3p by POE tbh. The more pertinent question on my mind is why isn't magpie fren the 3p? Perhaps he will visit me tonight and inform me lol.

it'd be awesome if someone who got the magpie visitor explained why it makes magpie fren town but if nobody can and all three of the living people who got that message accept it as town then who am I to argue?

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:21 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:18 am i have no idea why we would assume that a role that makes people say "good morning mr magpie" has to be 3rd party. that sounds stupid and overly speculative toward mechanics
this sounds to me alot like SPF is saying "yes, I made them say magpie, but I am town and my role has a positive effect, not a negative one"

If I am completely off the mark on that guess I am sure someone will let me know

Yeah that's how I read it lol.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:18 am i have no idea why we would assume that a role that makes people say "good morning mr magpie" has to be 3rd party. that sounds stupid and overly speculative toward mechanics

Well it's like a weird role that exists and is you and nobody else really profiles as 3p based on their confirmed claims?

I guess Juliets and Alison could be the 3p if it's not you...

Checking how SPF deals with the magpie folk, inconsistent. It's not a clearing thing.

I wonder if it's just a thing where she has the songs and targets one each night and the recipient is asked to say it or something so she can match their songs to who they are? Then she is using the other information in the game to deduce reads?

I dunno. I'm willing to just blanket trust everyone who magpied lol.

From my perspective with the information available to me, I'd be pretty confident in assuming that SPF is the 3P based on this. But Oddmerta is saying that the magpie role is town and can't explain why. Lol this is a game of shenanigans.

You got some nerve coming here
You got some nerve coming here
You stole it all
Give it back
You stole it all
Give it back
Good morning, Mister Magpie
How are we today?
Now you've stolen all the magic
I turn my back, walk away
You know you should
But you don't
You know you should
But you don't
Good morning, Mister Magpie
How are we today?
Now you've stolen all the magic
Took my melody

Errr it's pretty um. Weird lyrics I dunno.

Well if everyone is resolving to believe that it's only between SPF and me, it's SPF I assure you.

If SPF is just some compulsive visitor that makes people say good morning mr. magpie or something and is only targeting town with it it does seem pretty benign.

Sorry two dead town and three living players.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:08 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:06 am Okay who are all the people who've said good morning mr. magpie?
Why should it matter?

If you wanted a back-up opinion, it’s only you and SPF as potential magpie people

I just wanted to see who has been targeted, if it acted every night, if it has ever targeted mafia etc.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:39 am Ahh, feeling refreshed and full of zest this morning. What a day this will be! Good morning sun! Good morning Mrs Fox! Good morning Mr Magpie! And good morning wolves! Sorry you gon be ded soon.

/Disney character

Night 1 target Radishes.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:45 pm Good Morning Mr Magpie

Night 2 target Dyachei.

Herm wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:07 am Good Morning Mr Magpie

Night 3 target Herm.

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:02 pm Good morning Mr Magpie

Night 4 target Oddmerta.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:18 am Good morning MR. Magpie. Should I out how many shots I have or whether I'm out of shots or not per tutuu's request? Also, I'm not mafia or the rogue. I think you can tell that if you go back and read my response to Alison's joke about conceding the game. Also, I have followed the plan set forth every night. But if that's not enough, you can always check me tonight through whatever method you deem appropriate.

Night 5 target Juliets.

3 dead town and 2 living players. Has acted every night unimpeded. Appears to do nothing malevolent like a delayed kill since Dyachei remains alive at the very least. I wish I could tell wtf this role did, but I do think it's very likely SPF if it isn't you Oddmerta.

But I am not the 3p. It would appear most likely that the magpie role is in fact the 3p. Is there any particular reason that's not the case?

Okay who are all the people who've said good morning mr. magpie?

So from your perspective only SPF can be the magpie role and you've deduced the magpie role is from the KOL album which Herm has cleared of having no mafia.

Makes sense. I'll roll with that.

Are you sure the magpie role can't be the 3p role?

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:32 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:22 am I mean the only thing I know of that is mech off the top of my head is your green check which Alison specifically said doesn't clear you of 3p? What other mech things are going for you?
Herm and Magpie

Why does Magpie make you not 3p?

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:49 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:48 am I don't want anyone to feel bad but I still think yeeting her when Juliets and I both were saying she was town was complacency and laziness from the town involved and any justifications you can come up with about bomb threats or making a statement are just sanctimonious and silly. Just say you weren't around at EOD to change and don't care about the misyeet and be honest with yourself.
why should you saying that she is town affect my decision when it had nothing to do with her alignment and everything to do with her behavior

I guess I just don't see the purpose of yeeting someone you think is town just because they troll claimed 3p. Whatever it's done. Moving on.

I mean the only thing I know of that is mech off the top of my head is your green check which Alison specifically said doesn't clear you of 3p? What other mech things are going for you?

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:16 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:12 am
Oddmerta wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:10 am I could be wrong, Alison also fits the profile. Maybe someone else I'm not thinking of but it's my POE
What is making other people not qualified in your mind? I'd like to help you find this "3p" you speak of but I don't have access to your mind lol.
They've all been seen elsewhere, cleared somehow or claiming different things. I'm looking for unvouched people as the third

You aren't cleared from that perspective though are you?

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:10 am I could be wrong, Alison also fits the profile. Maybe someone else I'm not thinking of but it's my POE

What is making other people not qualified in your mind? I'd like to help you find this "3p" you speak of but I don't have access to your mind lol.

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:04 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:34 pm
Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:04 pm I believe that spf is Mr Magpie, nobody else in can be and there is no scum on King of Limbs so that leaves either you MacDougall or Alison as the third by process of elimination
What makes you so sure the Mr magpie thing is a 3p?
No, Mr Magpie is a song from King of Limbs. Herm said no scum there, you said you have nothing to do with it to Long Con. Ergo Magpie spf town, you uncleared 3p

Well you're incorrect amigo. Try actually reading the posts in the game. I know it's hard when there are so many but you'll find that I am as anti aligned to 3p as I am to anything with the reactions I've had to Tutuu's claim and my speculation and pushing towards 3p hunting.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:50 am my choice to vote tutuu was fully an emotional one and not a logical one. it happens

I was on the way to doing the same and just happened to come back and engage with her and reevaluate. I don't blame anyone who didn't. I just am finding this whole dialogue around her having done the wrong thing to be really silly.

I don't want anyone to feel bad but I still think yeeting her when Juliets and I both were saying she was town was complacency and laziness from the town involved and any justifications you can come up with about bomb threats or making a statement are just sanctimonious and silly. Just say you weren't around at EOD to change and don't care about the misyeet and be honest with yourself.

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:51 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:47 pm
Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:40 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:21 pm I like how you skipped the entire dialogue between Tutuu and I between the initial group of messages and the last one. If you genuinely want to find bad guys maybe try not making bad faith arguments.
I'm saying you always knew she was town and pretended like she wasn't only to back off later for the sake of appearances, that's what it looks like to me.

I knew we were lynching a townie the whole time, getting rid of throwers take priority
I heartily disagree my main mandible. If you "knew" she was town you should have said something.

Everyone massively overreacted to what she did anyway.

And yes I did always know she was town. My initial reaction to her claim gave me temporary insanity but when I returned and reevaluated what we know about the game it made it unlikely she was anything but town. Ergo I tried to save her.
We could talk about this forever but the question remains, are you the 3rd?

No I am town

I have seen the magpie crap heaps and nobody has elaborated on what it means at all. I've not been privy to it at all.

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:04 pm I believe that spf is Mr Magpie, nobody else in can be and there is no scum on King of Limbs so that leaves either you MacDougall or Alison as the third by process of elimination

What makes you so sure the Mr magpie thing is a 3p?

Bomb threat rules can eat my ass. Tutuu was town and shouldn't have been yeeted for making a joke.

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:40 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:21 pm I like how you skipped the entire dialogue between Tutuu and I between the initial group of messages and the last one. If you genuinely want to find bad guys maybe try not making bad faith arguments.
I'm saying you always knew she was town and pretended like she wasn't only to back off later for the sake of appearances, that's what it looks like to me.

I knew we were lynching a townie the whole time, getting rid of throwers take priority

I heartily disagree my main mandible. If you "knew" she was town you should have said something.

Everyone massively overreacted to what she did anyway.

And yes I did always know she was town. My initial reaction to her claim gave me temporary insanity but when I returned and reevaluated what we know about the game it made it unlikely she was anything but town. Ergo I tried to save her.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:32 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:23 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:22 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:22 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:13 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:58 pm Okay LC can you target me with it please
Why would you ask this of me?
Does it matter?
I might need it later.
It's related to my role which i can't claim so i can't say
Am I going to end up saying Good morning Mr Magpie?

That hasn't got anything to do with me no.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:22 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:22 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:13 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:58 pm Okay LC can you target me with it please
Why would you ask this of me?
Does it matter?
I might need it later.

It's related to my role which i can't claim so i can't say

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:13 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:58 pm Okay LC can you target me with it please
Why would you ask this of me?

Does it matter?

I like how you skipped the entire dialogue between Tutuu and I between the initial group of messages and the last one. If you genuinely want to find bad guys maybe try not making bad faith arguments.

cool story bro

It's worth noting Dyslexicon didn't vote on anybody so won't be able to track tonight at all (if they had any shots left).

Okay LC can you target me with it please

LC do you have any shots left?

[mention]Long Con[/mention]

What was the order of events there?

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:16 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:14 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:13 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:11 pm I really have nfi who to kill.
I don't either which is why I'm voting sleep. Dizzy maybe but he sure did seem town when he was arguing with Alison.
Nah I think Tutuu made some really valid arguments for why Dyslexicon is town, namely that Dizzy fucked Samu over pretty hard?
Yes, Dizzy tracked Samu to Tutuu and Tutuu said she was role blocked. The only thing about that is no one knew at the time that protectives would be notified that they were role blocked.

How is that Dyslexicon's fault?

Doesn't that make Tutuu look bad?

I am not sure what you're saying.

What are all the vote manipulation claims/flips aside from Nook and Ted's?

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:13 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:11 pm I really have nfi who to kill.
I don't either which is why I'm voting sleep. Dizzy maybe but he sure did seem town when he was arguing with Alison.

Nah I think Tutuu made some really valid arguments for why Dyslexicon is town, namely that Dizzy fucked Samu over pretty hard?

There is like only one person with absolutely no mech townclears and that's SPF?

But she's just been so fucken town lol.

The next person with the least mech in their favourite Dyalogic, but also just seemed town?

This is gonna be annoying.

I really have nfi who to kill.

[mention]juliets[/mention] how sure are you tutuu is town?

There are three people not voting. Make your voices heard one way or the other please.

I think that it's more likely Tutuu flips mafia than 3p because basically I am sure that she's actually a jailkeeper and 3p jailkeeper is dumb but mafia jailkeeper is something I can sort of wrap my head around if the jailkeeper also redirects or something.

Hands up if you've heard of a third party jailkeeper before?

I am not super keen on this Tutuu flip. I think she's town and I think she will flip town jailkeeper.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:46 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:31 pm @tedxtr could you remind me what makes you lock town besides Poison's check on you? (I'm exempting Poison's check because of the part of Herm's role that says more than one non-civilian can be on an album.) Sorry if you are repeating yourself, just give me the basics and I'll ask questions about anything I don't understand.
1) I was tracked to Nanook on N2

As a scum, I don’t have much to do at Nanook that benefits me or hurts the village. Nanook fake softed a doc that he dropped after being pushed and hard claimed a role that’s kind of useless for town and doesn’t put mafia in danger.

The only argument I got for this was that I rolecopped Nanook because I didn’t buy his claim, which is now refuted bt Samu flipping as cop.

This makes me lock town.

2) Hermie’s role checks for non-civilians on albums. He was told there are no non-civilians on Kid A and King of the Limbs.

I was confirmed Kid A album by Poison last night.

That makes me lock non-3p.

(I am not sure if he checks for non-civilians or just not scum but I believe that’s how his role worked, I may be misremembering so you should read his flip again while confirming / denying this)

I'll ride with you being town but please take over this game now

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:38 am if juliets is scum she's a hell of an actor.

Don't sleep on her. She's won many games as a wolf and has been playing this game for a long time.

Think about it. If Juliets is carrying the kill by forcing her to act each night it gives her really no option but to kill exactly who I tell her to target or she just outright gets outed by anyone seeing her elsewhere.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:33 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:32 am Claims holster n2. Claims Alison a second time n4.

Maybe she just carried kills those three times and used something else on Alison n4 and did nothing n2?
i protected alison n4 so u could tinfoil she tried killing her again but wasnt she just following your plan? i believ she just followed orders every ngiht

Which would give her plausible deniability for kill targets every night.

Oh you tracked me to the kill cuz Mac told me to use my completely benign role on this person.

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