The Syndicate

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:37 am Is it not the case that the entire case against Sig hinges on him swinging at Mac night one and then TMIing?

No, he has strong teammate equity with both Sabie and Radishes based on interactions.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:40 am I skimmed the Mac push and I want it on record that he does have a point w/r/t his other GoC games, I scum read him from his first few posts and questions in Inception when I was practicing my scum hunting and I am far from feeling him scum here

Although him showing his pelts is kind of a turn off

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:28 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:32 am Hold on. If Mac flips wolf, Ted may have just outed himself as his teammate.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:48 am In Inception his posts stuck out like a sore thumb and he was forcing interactions with his scum buds that were honestly the closest thing to open wolfing ever since day one.

In here he just posted his thoughts and didn’t force anything. His questions in Inception also sucked and he had a general agenda of looking townie, whereas in here he does seem to go at his own pace.

'His posts stuck out...' - yeah, for you reading in retrospect, sure. If they were that obvious, why didn't he get lynched right away?

And also, context is necessary. Inception was a game Mac had invited a lot of his new Champs friends to, and he presumably had more time to play. I'm not at all surprised he's playing differently here regardless of alignment.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:57 am I honestly think you’re town and the push on you kind of makes me suspicious of the people on you.

G-Man has been a point of contention ever since day one, so has Radishes. Some people have expressed their reasoning for scum reading G-Man and yet nobody’s really pushing it, and the fact you’re being pushed over him, especially when people are claiming he ain’t done anything makes me sick to my stomach.

Lynch people that are scum.

Also, the case sig presented (which seems like the main reason people are voting you) is easily refutable by you asking in one of your posts “yo sig why are you voting me?” If you were Saitama you’d have known you silenced him so that question makes no sense. I am honestly surprised nobody pointed this out.

Especially going as far as to mention him, which meets a level of expectation of “why hasn’t he tried to engage with me / talk to me” which he couldn’t have done in one post before reaching a scum read on you. First ask questions, then reach a conclusion, and you having that thought is the closest thing to an easy derp clear like sig did on Day 1.

First, the tone seems too confident about Mac being town.

Secondly, why push G-Man as your counter example instead of me? I've been far more bandied about as a lynch. I actually don't know that this is scummy, but it's odd.

Third, you think Mac trying to engage with Sig refutes him being Saitama? I guess no one has ever lied in a game of Mafia before.


Honestly, this defence feels a bit straw-graspy and is also quite confident about Mac's 'town' alignment, and I question whether a townie would write it.

First, I think you’re putting a lot more stock into how I’m reading you when my suspicion was more of a “he’s not doing anything and has shit tone so i’m fine voting there” which feels rather weird. You even mentioned how my vote on you would express towards that, even though it’s not in these exact words, but this is essentially what you were doing as well. I wasn’t really scum reading you heavily because I had nothing to go based off of. I do have for G-Man. You started posting a lot more of your analysis, which was what my initial vote was based on, you not doing anything. I think this angle that you’ve taken is really opportunistic because I don’t remember saying anything about your slot other than placing a vote on you or calling you scum for not doing anything. This dichotomy is weird, do you feel like I should be voting you right here or? I don’t get it. It seems like disingenous posturing, you mentioned I was looking elsewhere while voting you, so I wasn’t really scum reading you, and i clearly stated reasons for scum reading G-Man and pushing him.

Secondly, yes, I think that posting is real and it doesn’t even matter if he’s Saitama or not, my point was I expect mafia members to know of each other’s actions so that just spews him not scum.

Going back to my point about G-Man, you’ve been constantly poked and when you started doing shit, people kind of either left you or voted you anyway, which probably means you’re town, whereas G-Man has been poked, he’s on people’s scum lists, people have actual reasoning to vote there and yet he’s constantly being avoided. People comment on how bad he looks and never hard push him. But people do push you though.

I mean, Mac’s play just reminds me of All My Circuits really, and me having an obvious scum read on him reading Inception and seeing how easy he is to be caught as scum, of course I’m going to lean the opposite because I can’t find anything scum about him in this game, so what’s your point?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:32 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:12 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:03 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:47 am Hi I’d like to introduce you to a concept known as the fake derp clear, have you been introduced before or is this your first time?

I would've perceived it as fake if I had a reason to believe he was scum. Which I don't. Because, once again, he has nothing scummy about him.

Jumping from me not having any reasoning to scum read a slot that I've easily scum read in the past to believing an alleged "fake attempt at derp clear because he's scum" requires some kind of mental contortion to get to that conclusion.

I mean you’re pushing something that just isn’t AI as a reason to TR mac, and it just isn’t.

My point was that I'm not seeing scum Mac here unlike his Inception game where I sniped his ass page 10 or something.

[mention]Turnip Head[/mention]

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:57 am Well I think he's a bit sketchy. Why do you like him?

Mostly because he's defended me. I don't see why any scum would do that in light of the hysteria about lynching me. Same reason I like you.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:25 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:23 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:18 am Anybody got thoughts about ted?

I appreciate his existence and would prefer it to continue

What if he just lived on as a ghost for a little bit

If he lived on as a ghost all game long I'd be happier

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:18 am Anybody got thoughts about ted?

I appreciate his existence and would prefer it to continue

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:51 am You’re right mac, I’m not treating this game Super Seriously. I’m treating this game as a game. Because it’s what I do with moments of free time to distract myself. Not really interested in the MAFIA IS SERIOUS BUSINESS AND ANYBODY THAT DOESNT TAKE IT SERIOUSLY IS A PIECE OF SHIT THAT SHOULD GO PLAY CHARADES INSTEAD approach

I'm not interested in that either. You can play exactly how you like.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:49 amIf he was town he would attempt to cause the lynch of somebody he thinks is a good lynch.

I mean. Wtf.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:48 am You guys take this game too seriously sometimes, sheesh

Sure, sometimes. I have moods lol.

Let me rephrase. He can do whatever he wants. But it should not be looked upon favourably by anybody who actually understands how to win this game. What he is doing is a specifically scummy strategy. If he was town he would attempt to cause the lynch of somebody he thinks is a good lynch.

If I am wrong for voicing this or your natural reaction is to mock me for it then I question how seriously you're taking winning this game as a civilian.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:40 am “Math is scummy!”

TSP doesn't think I am a good lynch
TSP uses probability to vote for me
I flip town
TSP "well it was still the better lynch"
TSP gets to vote for a player he considers a bad lynch and abscond his personal accountability

He should not be allowed to do this.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:34 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:27 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:25 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:20 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:17 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:41 pm Curious about when TSP voted for me? I was under the impression he wanted to lynch ... not me? And I missed where he explained placing a vote there.

A few hours before this post — when Sig overtook you. I want to lynch not you. But also not Sig.

So you put your vote on me over 24 hours before EOD to stop sig from steamrolling to the lead but you don't want to lynch me though?

Seems a little bit strange to me.

It’s about momentum — and making a statement.

Sig lynch bad because Sig almost always on Team B AND I don’t even believe that.
Mac lynch bad because if Mac is scum then Mac is scum then what.
Both are bad lynches, but furthermore:

If Sig is bad, Mac is probably always bad. So lynch Mac first.

Both are bad lynches, but you voted for me instead of attempting to push 20+ other options?

I have been attempting to push 20+ other options. It hasn’t worked.

So try harder?

The way I am reading it is that TSP is attempting to use some sort of probability to justify his vote as opposed to actually taking personal accountability for a read, which is a scum mentality generally.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:25 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:20 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:17 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:41 pm Curious about when TSP voted for me? I was under the impression he wanted to lynch ... not me? And I missed where he explained placing a vote there.

A few hours before this post — when Sig overtook you. I want to lynch not you. But also not Sig.

So you put your vote on me over 24 hours before EOD to stop sig from steamrolling to the lead but you don't want to lynch me though?

Seems a little bit strange to me.

It’s about momentum — and making a statement.

Sig lynch bad because Sig almost always on Team B AND I don’t even believe that.
Mac lynch bad because if Mac is scum then Mac is scum then what.
Both are bad lynches, but furthermore:

If Sig is bad, Mac is probably always bad. So lynch Mac first.

Both are bad lynches, but you voted for me instead of attempting to push 20+ other options?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:17 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:41 pm Curious about when TSP voted for me? I was under the impression he wanted to lynch ... not me? And I missed where he explained placing a vote there.

A few hours before this post — when Sig overtook you. I want to lynch not you. But also not Sig.

So you put your vote on me over 24 hours before EOD to stop sig from steamrolling to the lead but you don't want to lynch me though?

Seems a little bit strange to me.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 11:45 pm I am a sorcerer and each day I say “Abrica-fucking-dabra, Kalamazoo, I’m gonna make a rabbit out of you!” and nothing happens it will become more obvious.

Really? That's neat.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 11:29 pm If you survive to end game wtf are we even doing here

I am town and each day that I am not lynched it will become more obvious.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 11:27 pm I want to vote tranq but then I also think Mac and Jay are above rand to be scum so....that's pretty much how this game has gone though

I'm gonna survive to endgame, you better get used to it.

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:27 pm Mac why did you vote for yourself?

I was in a weird frame of mind somewhere between frustrated and amused and it seemed like a good idea.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:20 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:21 pm Kind of hilarious that if the sig thing proves accurate, it actually would increase the chances of a mafia Mac flip.

Lol right?

Hilarious in a "I wanna die" kinda way yeah.

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:08 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:05 pm Lest I encourage bad behavior, I want to point out that Dom gets more emotional as a townie and I need some smart sounding reads right now for my own ego.

I hate to tell you that this isn't true.


But he's saying what my point against Colin has been from day 1. Colin's participation only increases when his team tells him he's in hot water.

It does look that way. I wouldn't go as far as to state it as fact though. He could just be checking in and scanning for mentions of his name as a townie. I think everyone is guilty of that from time to time. But it is scummy.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:40 pm Alright fine mac, gimme a town read or two.

linki: oh

juliets is really the only one I am feeling as a lock. S-V-S, ted, Turnip Head are civ lean. I've come around on Dom and Nanook. I was feeling okay about TSP until I just noticed he voted for me.

Curious about when TSP voted for me? I was under the impression he wanted to lynch ... not me? And I missed where he explained placing a vote there.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:38 pm mac, stroking his nipples, telling us all what a bad boy he's been

I do sometimes like to pull and rub my nipples. It gives me very mild sexual gratification.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:30 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:24 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:18 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:13 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:09 pm @MacDougall talk about players who aren’t voting for/heavily suspecting you. Who are your town reads? Is there anyone you think isn’t getting enough attention?

A great deal of people. The constant focus on myself (and now Sig) is very much allowing for a game environment where people who are absolutely failing in their basic civilian duty, or not living up to their usual standards are receiving little to no pressure. I have reservations about all the below;

Epignosis - Does not appear to be earnestly attempting to achieve a civilian wincon.
ColinIsCool - Only appears to be trying when there is pressure on him.
Michelle - Does not match her meta. Hasn't helped the civ cause really at all.
speedchuck - Does not appear to be the same speedchuck that I am used to seeing.
sprityo - Appears to be totally laying low outside of intermittently FPS reading me scum.
Tranq - Has literally made 5 posts or something.

Why isn’t the Darth Sloonei elephant on this list?

Why did you frame Epi that way? What about him suggests “not trying to achieve” a civilian victory?

You’re not the first person who has accused Michelle of being off her meta. I’ve asked about this several times but haven’t received a satisfying answer: what is her mets, and how does her play in this game differ from it? I don’t have much experience with michelle, but she was caught pretty quickly the one time I saw her scum game.

What would be satisfying to you? Do you require an essay length response on Michelle's meta? I believe both Nutella and Jack have answered questions about Michelle's meta. Her meta is that she is an inquisitor. She is not too dissimilar to juliets in playstyle. Perhaps you are just being selective with what you are reading.

Darth Sloonei is not on this list because you are the one who asked the question and I literally just mentioned you in another post. What kind of gotcha bs is this?

I framed Epi that way because that is how I feel about his contribution?

You seem butthurt.

This is just me trying to develop a read on you. I have a vague suspicion but nothing firm. I'd like to fix that. I'm just asking you to explain the reads you've stated. Your michelle answer satisfies me. I can't say I have a clear read on her either, but provided some direction and that's nice.

I was not trying to get you by asking about myself. But you singled me out as a suspect one post earlier, and then didn't name in a big list of suspects. I was curious about that, and about why you think I'm bad this time.

Why do you feel that way about Epi's contribution?

None of these are trick questions. Talk to me, MacDougall.

I am so glad I'm not your girlfriend jfc.

I feel that way about Epi's contribution because upon reflecting on analysing the content that he has provided to the game, I am left with the feeling that I am seeing Epi, but not seeing Epi attempting to win the game for the civilian team? You can ask me again and I'll rewrite the answer in different words for you again if you like?

They may not be trick questions, but they sure as hell are pointless shuffling pieces on the board type ones.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:27 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:13 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:09 pm @MacDougall talk about players who aren’t voting for/heavily suspecting you. Who are your town reads? Is there anyone you think isn’t getting enough attention?

A great deal of people. The constant focus on myself (and now Sig) is very much allowing for a game environment where people who are absolutely failing in their basic civilian duty, or not living up to their usual standards are receiving little to no pressure. I have reservations about all the below;

Epignosis - Does not appear to be earnestly attempting to achieve a civilian wincon.
ColinIsCool - Only appears to be trying when there is pressure on him.
Michelle - Does not match her meta. Hasn't helped the civ cause really at all.
speedchuck - Does not appear to be the same speedchuck that I am used to seeing.
sprityo - Appears to be totally laying low outside of intermittently FPS reading me scum.
Tranq - Has literally made 5 posts or something.

Agree with all of this. These names are definitely all going in my poe whenever poe starts being a thing. That said, none of them are priorities for today's lynch imo.

Sprityo really should be in the conversation for a lynch today, and they should all be being prodded a great deal.

If you look at the reason I made the post it's literally because Sloonei asked me to mention people who aren't getting enough attention so it stands to reason that they aren't priorities to the general town consensus. If they were they wouldn't be in this list. This isn't "Mac's scumlist".

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:19 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:15 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:13 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:09 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:02 pm @Dom talk about Turnip Head some more. You say you don’t like that he avoided answering some of your questions yesterday. What do you imagine was Mafia TH’s mindset in those moments?

Can we talk about the Darth Sloonei shaped elephant in the room?

Well I think you and he are teammates so this is interesting coming from you. What are your thoughts?

I rarely struggle to read Sloonei. He's probably about to do the old "Mac scum reads me everygame" bit. Town Sloonei gets leads, bites down and them and works them until they are either proven in his mind or disproven. Here he is quicksilver, shifting his reads to suit the mood.

Regarding your first sentence, see your second sentence. Show me where I’m shifting my reads to suit the mood.

I'm gonna pass on this. I don't have the time. It's just an evolving feeling that I've had towards you throughout the game. If you say "no I am not", I'll accept that.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:24 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:21 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:19 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:13 pm Epignosis - Does not appear to be earnestly attempting to achieve a civilian wincon.

Go on.

I have yet to see you take control of the game in the way that I am used to. I have seen the same tone that I am used to but not the same impact.

Not going to happen. I'm here maybe a couple of hours in the evening. I work two jobs and have three kids. Games on the Internet that don't make me any cash draw the short straw.

But ... Mafia is life?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:22 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:20 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:17 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:13 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:09 pm @MacDougall talk about players who aren’t voting for/heavily suspecting you. Who are your town reads? Is there anyone you think isn’t getting enough attention?

A great deal of people. The constant focus on myself (and now Sig) is very much allowing for a game environment where people who are absolutely failing in their basic civilian duty, or not living up to their usual standards are receiving little to no pressure. I have reservations about all the below;

Epignosis - Does not appear to be earnestly attempting to achieve a civilian wincon.
ColinIsCool - Only appears to be trying when there is pressure on him.
Michelle - Does not match her meta. Hasn't helped the civ cause really at all.
speedchuck - Does not appear to be the same speedchuck that I am used to seeing.
sprityo - Appears to be totally laying low outside of intermittently FPS reading me scum.
Tranq - Has literally made 5 posts or something.

Mac can you talk about speedchuck? Is it that he isn't posting frequently or something else/combination of things?

I think the lack of speedchuck's content is a large part of it. I am used to him being a more prominent member of the town. I think that with players like speedchuck sometimes basic is the best way to read them. If he is not living up to the normal standards of contribution then it's probably because he has a non town agenda/is putting a lot of his content elsewhere (ie. scum chat).

I take speedchuck on his word when he says he's super busy. That doesn't tell me anything about his alignment though.

And that is fine. But that doesn't make him town, and it doesn't mean that he is getting enough attention.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:18 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:13 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:09 pm @MacDougall talk about players who aren’t voting for/heavily suspecting you. Who are your town reads? Is there anyone you think isn’t getting enough attention?

A great deal of people. The constant focus on myself (and now Sig) is very much allowing for a game environment where people who are absolutely failing in their basic civilian duty, or not living up to their usual standards are receiving little to no pressure. I have reservations about all the below;

Epignosis - Does not appear to be earnestly attempting to achieve a civilian wincon.
ColinIsCool - Only appears to be trying when there is pressure on him.
Michelle - Does not match her meta. Hasn't helped the civ cause really at all.
speedchuck - Does not appear to be the same speedchuck that I am used to seeing.
sprityo - Appears to be totally laying low outside of intermittently FPS reading me scum.
Tranq - Has literally made 5 posts or something.

Why isn’t the Darth Sloonei elephant on this list?

Why did you frame Epi that way? What about him suggests “not trying to achieve” a civilian victory?

You’re not the first person who has accused Michelle of being off her meta. I’ve asked about this several times but haven’t received a satisfying answer: what is her mets, and how does her play in this game differ from it? I don’t have much experience with michelle, but she was caught pretty quickly the one time I saw her scum game.

What would be satisfying to you? Do you require an essay length response on Michelle's meta? I believe both Nutella and Jack have answered questions about Michelle's meta. Her meta is that she is an inquisitor. She is not too dissimilar to juliets in playstyle. Perhaps you are just being selective with what you are reading.

Darth Sloonei is not on this list because you are the one who asked the question and I literally just mentioned you in another post. What kind of gotcha bs is this?

I framed Epi that way because that is how I feel about his contribution?

You seem butthurt.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:19 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:13 pm Epignosis - Does not appear to be earnestly attempting to achieve a civilian wincon.

Go on.

I have yet to see you take control of the game in the way that I am used to. I have seen the same tone that I am used to but not the same impact.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:17 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:13 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:09 pm @MacDougall talk about players who aren’t voting for/heavily suspecting you. Who are your town reads? Is there anyone you think isn’t getting enough attention?

A great deal of people. The constant focus on myself (and now Sig) is very much allowing for a game environment where people who are absolutely failing in their basic civilian duty, or not living up to their usual standards are receiving little to no pressure. I have reservations about all the below;

Epignosis - Does not appear to be earnestly attempting to achieve a civilian wincon.
ColinIsCool - Only appears to be trying when there is pressure on him.
Michelle - Does not match her meta. Hasn't helped the civ cause really at all.
speedchuck - Does not appear to be the same speedchuck that I am used to seeing.
sprityo - Appears to be totally laying low outside of intermittently FPS reading me scum.
Tranq - Has literally made 5 posts or something.

Mac can you talk about speedchuck? Is it that he isn't posting frequently or something else/combination of things?

I think the lack of speedchuck's content is a large part of it. I am used to him being a more prominent member of the town. I think that with players like speedchuck sometimes basic is the best way to read them. If he is not living up to the normal standards of contribution then it's probably because he has a non town agenda/is putting a lot of his content elsewhere (ie. scum chat).

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:13 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:09 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:02 pm @Dom talk about Turnip Head some more. You say you don’t like that he avoided answering some of your questions yesterday. What do you imagine was Mafia TH’s mindset in those moments?

Can we talk about the Darth Sloonei shaped elephant in the room?

Well I think you and he are teammates so this is interesting coming from you. What are your thoughts?

I rarely struggle to read Sloonei. He's probably about to do the old "Mac scum reads me everygame" bit. Town Sloonei gets leads, bites down and them and works them until they are either proven in his mind or disproven. Here he is quicksilver, shifting his reads to suit the mood.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:09 pm @MacDougall talk about players who aren’t voting for/heavily suspecting you. Who are your town reads? Is there anyone you think isn’t getting enough attention?

A great deal of people. The constant focus on myself (and now Sig) is very much allowing for a game environment where people who are absolutely failing in their basic civilian duty, or not living up to their usual standards are receiving little to no pressure. I have reservations about all the below;

Epignosis - Does not appear to be earnestly attempting to achieve a civilian wincon.
ColinIsCool - Only appears to be trying when there is pressure on him.
Michelle - Does not match her meta. Hasn't helped the civ cause really at all.
speedchuck - Does not appear to be the same speedchuck that I am used to seeing.
sprityo - Appears to be totally laying low outside of intermittently FPS reading me scum.
Tranq - Has literally made 5 posts or something.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:02 pm @Dom talk about Turnip Head some more. You say you don’t like that he avoided answering some of your questions yesterday. What do you imagine was Mafia TH’s mindset in those moments?

Can we talk about the Darth Sloonei shaped elephant in the room?

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:59 pm *posts about Mac*

"Dom stop"

*posts about TH*

"Dom stop"

*posts about...*

"Dom stop"

Well fuck.

I'm always interested to hear any opinion when it isn't someone repetitively calling me scum.

And I don't want you to be leashed, or muted at all. Speak your mind. Just be wary of the fact that something in the way you play triggers some people and be willing to account for that. I trigger lots of people on TS and it's taken me a great deal of time to learn how to navigate it. Often I still fail. It doesn't stop me playing my game. I hate that you feel like you are having your ability to play the game in your way suppressed because I can totally relate.

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:00 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:59 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:44 pm I don’t remember syndicate games being this toxic or filled with vitriol.

Maybe I just have selective memory

It's generally a common thing that occurs when people tunnel me. I'll take the heat on this one.

Not everyone who suspects you is tunnelling.

What is tunneling?

No, not everyone is. Jack isn't. Nutella isn't. Sloonei isn't. There are a lot of people who aren't. At this point I think the majority of the game have at least some suspicion of me with the notable exceptions of Turnip Head, Tedxtr et al. I'm not going to comment on whether you are or not because I what is and isn't tunneling is rather open to interpretation. But I think it would be quite impossible to believe that I haven't been the victim of it to a significant degree. I don't exactly have a problem with it either, in a grudge holding, long term mad at you kinda way. So as long as those who do it are willing to accept that if they are going to engage in me negatively, by applying tunnel vision, repetitive and adamant fashion that I am going to reply equally negatively then really we should able to have tiffs and flare ups and then work past them. That would be my preference.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:44 pm I don’t remember syndicate games being this toxic or filled with vitriol.

Maybe I just have selective memory

It's generally a common thing that occurs when people tunnel me. I'll take the heat on this one.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:49 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:47 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:41 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:32 pm Odd request, but here goes: keep me as a viable second or third wagon. Use me to either draw out shifty votes or intimidate baddies to stay put if a teammate is on the chopping block.

I'm less sure of you than I was at the Day 2 deadline, but the way you framed your vote still strikes me as odd. Why was my participation in the Radish wagon enough to sway you off of that vote? Particularly in a game with multiple mafia teams.

Odd G-Man is odd. I didn’t trust you, so I wasn’t going to do anything to bring about a result you wanted. Call it crocodile-brain logic. In the absence of wanting to lynch someone specific, I resorted to not voting with a perceived enemy.

This man is town, fools.

Strong language for someone who presumably doesn't have access to info

Does anyone have anything to say about Tranq's contributions? They seem like your common scum slank style play.

Let's all reset our emotions.

Mhmmm yes quite.

Wanted to be on the right side of history but did nothing to create it.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 11:37 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:02 am

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:55 am Sorry, S~V~S I am jumping in the shower and out the door to the gym. Quickly though, there were debates about Colin and Mac so I would look at them in ISO's if you can.

Thanks, Jules. I tend to have better comprehension reading thread exchanges than ISOs in general, I find I miss less nuance that way, but I will ISO them as well. Colin was a red read for me, but only as a default since I did not remember much of what he had said, and Mac was a red as well since he had not had anything to say after nutella flipped non-baddie, and his whole thing there reminded me of bad Mac (although I tend to baddie read him in general, so my opinion is not always the most valuable there), so they were both on my list.

Also, if there is anything I have to address, let me know.

Also, can anyone give me their take on why sprit voted for Nanook? Out of all the votes I see up there, that is the one that surprises me the most.

I was also busy yesterday but I had a chance to read up on what's been happening. Colin has been getting suspicion for not doing much of anything. A few people namely sloonei and spirit said colin often gets mislynched for this so they were wary of voting him so soon. TH said they're suspicious for defending him. I didn't see that as defending him as much as just being cautious of voting him too early without giving him a chance. I understand this because I get mislynched for my weird playstyle too sometimes but I haven't seen anything from colin that convinces me he's town. I had pointed out that sloonei and spirit haven't been their usual selves in the beginning of the game but I feel like sloonei has been more towny than spirit. Sloonei questioned me on my post and what I meant was if TH was suspecting him because of his difference in playstyle I could have understood that more than sayi g he's bad fir defending colin. I realize I worded that weird.


Sig had a big long post saying he was limited to one post and he thought mac did it. Mac disappeared for awhile and when he came back to find suspicion on him he was in full force mac mode and saying he's going to be mislynched and saying he won all these sockys so he is a good player and how could anyone accuse him and usual mac jokey stuff. He gave some reads and threw some suspicion at jack. I plan to read through his ISO and compare to some other games. He can be pretty tricky to read and as he pointed out he is a good player. I'm wondering if the more emotional mac is a scummy mac that got annoyed he was caught or just a civ mac being annoyed that anyone would suspect him.

I'm trying to enjoy my weekend but I plan to read through the ISOs and I'll be around in and out.

Sabie only made one post that mentions sig and she didn't offer thoughts about him in it.

The absence of a read and content about sig in general is quite odd given sig's shifting position on her. I would think that a mafioso would pay attention to an opponent that has a deep red read of them that earlier civ read them? Contrast how she dealt with sig with how she dealt with me for instance.

Allow me.

Sig's first mention of Sabie. Replies to Dizzy to provide some neither here or there thoughts but has her in her civ meta at this point.
First reads list has Sabie as a civ lean, which is inline with previous post, but I suppose counteracted by the fact that she was in fact, bad.
Next mention is on day 2 and suddenly has Sabie on a team with Radish and G-Man. Fails to provide a fourth option for that team (because he's in it?). There was no explanation as to why Sabie was suddenly mafia to Sig.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:12 pm Sig


Dom
Epignosis
Jackofhearts2005







NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME 2.0
Sloonei
tedxtr
JaggedJimmyJay
juliets
TonyStarkPrime
Michelle



Dragomir
Tranq




Dyslexicon
ColinIsCool
Turnip Head
S~V~S
speedchuck



G-Man
MacDougall
sprityo
sabie12

Suddenly Sabie is the absolute red. Even more red than me. Still hasn't really explained his read at all. Interesting to note that he has sprityo and G-Man here too. If Sig is team radishes, then I doubt either of them are. It'd be some bullshit to throw 2/3 of your remaining partners into the deep red here.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:16 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:15 pm D1 Nanook is confirmed you dipstick

Anyways, sabie and Dom are likely radish partners. Possibly one between jay/SvS/sloonei as well cause syndicate likes to bus.

Why Dom?

The only other thing close to a Sabie discussion point. He replies to Nanook to ask how Nanook has rationalised Dom as a scum partner of Radishes. Fmpov it seems pretty clear, so I don't actually buy that he really wanted to know. More just wanted to steer Nanook down the wrong path. If Sig is in team radishes/sabie this is a good look for both Dom, and Nanook not being Radishes partner. Dom because this "Why Dom" would be genuine surprise, and perhaps opportunism. Eliminating Dom and Nanook as the final partner would be a good result because until now I had them pretty much locked there.

The worst thing going for sig being teammates with Sabie is that she was apparently deep red to him but he spent literally no time talking about her outside of readslists. Like not even a "I think Sabie might be with Radishes", just literally nothing. There was no explanation about how she went from civ read to scum read either. So explaining how you went from civ read to scum, and specifically what about her play caused this would be helpful [mention]sig[/mention]. I am aware you didn't have a chance to talk on day 2, but you did on night 1 and night 2. Obviously the implication is that you changed your read of her on day 2 when you were unable to speak much. I would have thought that one of your civ reads dropping to hard scum read would be something you'd enter the thread primed to talk about, but you instead have spent almost the entire content of your game attacking me instead.

Overall I'm a little torn because a lot of the other players that have radishes compatibility that aren't flipped (Dom, Nanook, G-Man, Sprityo) don't look very likely to be Sig partners. But as a Sabie partner he definitely profiles based on his content.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:08 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:42 am Mac is bad because Mac isn't his usual self
Mac is bad because mac is salty
Mac is bad because mac is voting sig
Mac is bad because mac is what?
Mac is toxic.
Mac is attacking people.
Oh gee how bad is it that Mac has legs.
Did you guys notice Mac has arms? Fucking gotem.
Mac has a beard. That's awfully suspicious, don't you think?
Mac isn't a dog. By deduction he is Mafia.
Mac is an abstract concept, pretty much a red peek.
It's fucking ridiculous.

Literally none of this has anything to do with why I'm voting you. I think you're mafia. Fair and square. That's the game. Sorry champ, it be like that sometimes.

I do think dom at the least has been a bit unfair and perhaps toxic.

But otherwise this is a misrepresentation. You are being suspected for entirely game related reasons. Take it like a champ, fight back, hunt.

If none of that has anything to do with it then it's not directed at you is it

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:03 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:31 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:12 am And by extension how bad it is that Mac is for realzies voting him?

I'm sorry I didn't realise the deadline was approaching so fast that there wasn't time for memes.

Oh? Was your Sig vote a joke?

I thought it would be funny but apparently it's just another reason why I'm bad lol

Sigmer Sigson

Look how triggered Mac is. He must be scum.

I just realised I am going full Frank Grimes. That makes you Homer sig.

Can you guys please tell me how I am supposed to act so that I can do that? Oh wait, my town meta is my scum meta is my town meta so I'll be bad for that too.