The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:45 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:43 pm I'm going to be irreversibly angry if you tunnel me and I die and then town loses the game because you got played like a fiddle.

I don't give a third of a crap about threats like this. If someone is playing me like a fiddle then make the case. I have presented a reason why Alison doesn't look like an Owner teammate. Do you disagree with my rationale?

I disagree with the very concept of you.

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:44 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:25 pm

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:24 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:16 pm

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:05 pm My order of chop would be Mac/Martin/and, why bother, the game is over.

Where did your suspicion of me go to?

It went to "I really believe that Mac is the scum and the game will end with his chop."

Why?

I think that you are the most likely to have NKed Sloonei, and I agree with JJJ that you are mafia.

I would probably have killed Sloonei but I also did in fact not do the thing you are saying.

I'll be like that guy with fire for hair from Inside Out.

I'm going to be irreversibly angry if you tunnel me and I die and then town loses the game because you got played like a fiddle.

Dumb dumb dumb.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:41 pm lost monkey literally quoted you, which creates a notification, to indicate he is VT now. You did that on purpose.

Nope. Dumb.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:40 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:39 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:38 pm I appreciate that you have to fight Mac, and you have done so valiantly. I don't believe anything you're posting though.

You think that I'm more inclined to miss some information as mafia?

Clearly you haven't wolfed with me in a long time.

You already conceded. Yes.

This is dumb and annoying please stop saying it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:39 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:37 pm I don't have the same level of confidence in your POE as you do. Ergo here I am.

You got doubts about chopping Gnome and Martin?

Yes. Albeit her POE does not include Martin even.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:38 pm I appreciate that you have to fight Mac, and you have done so valiantly. I don't believe anything you're posting though.

You think that I'm more inclined to miss some information as mafia?

Clearly you haven't wolfed with me in a long time.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:36 pm not a joke read. Town has exed all scum except for hawk, and we are collectively converging on a strong POE that seems very similar. Scum are grumpy and lashing out at the box, town are like "idgaf we're gonna win"

Gnome has been townier than Mac today but has mech against her, Mac has been scummy today for being grumpy and total self defense mode.

I am voting Gnome because mech > reads but hard to see how we don't have auto by going one into the other.

I don't have the same level of confidence in your POE as you do. Ergo here I am.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:35 pm

lost monkey wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:56 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:56 pm Allcrab and LoMo can confirm my role in coordination I think.

For instance. Allcrab targets whomever. Force me to target them to. LoMo also watches them. If I target them they together will get a full watch result. If I don't target the player or one of those two dies then I am outed.

I have no one shots remaining, i am just a VT now.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:23 pm @lost monkey did you get any information?

my face

I didn't know he was limited shot on account of i didn't read that post.

Dealing with several days of being hard POE in a game with Jay in it is not my idea of fun.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:34 pm all grumpy people are scum

Lol I think I've disproven that a thousand times over.

Lord knows you probably have better things to do. Maybe swipe right a few times.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:31 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:30 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:26 pm lol Mac is mafia

ffs

Your energy is all wrong today my guy

Jay pulling out energy reads. Maybe take a seat on the bench for today champ and let the real ones do some work.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:29 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:28 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:08 pm @Esooa I’m completely certain that if Mac is mafia he intends to weaponize you. Don’t let him. Make him kill you.

Yes mastermind Mac is going to manipulate people into doing my bidding. Gosh golly.

what a ridiculous assertion

Bruh I am hard in the POE and Esooa isn't a dummy.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:26 pm lol Mac is mafia

ffs

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:26 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:25 pm

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:24 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:16 pm

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:05 pm My order of chop would be Mac/Martin/and, why bother, the game is over.

Where did your suspicion of me go to?

It went to "I really believe that Mac is the scum and the game will end with his chop."

Why?

I agree with JJJ that he is the most likely to have done the NKs that happened in the last three nights.
I still don't know who healed me of the poison, however.

You are talking to Mac right now lol.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:08 pm @Esooa I’m completely certain that if Mac is mafia he intends to weaponize you. Don’t let him. Make him kill you.

Yes mastermind Mac is going to manipulate people into doing my bidding. Gosh golly.

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:24 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:16 pm

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:05 pm My order of chop would be Mac/Martin/and, why bother, the game is over.

Where did your suspicion of me go to?

It went to "I really believe that Mac is the scum and the game will end with his chop."

Why?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:02 pm Frankly Mac already conceded, so I would be open to killing him even today.

That's one way to interpret things sure.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:20 pm It's litterally [Mac/Gnome, Gnome/Mac, probably LoMo]

Though LoMo is likely spewed town; I just think his case for being spewed town may not be the strongest.

Alison not in your POE?

@lost monkey did you get any information?

How about this one.

Gnome and Martin are both mafia and Martin healed her.

lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:59 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:57 am

lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:56 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:55 am

lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:54 am Looking at the roles we have had and the roles scum have had, I would say Mac's claim is bullshit. If he was really town his power should have been one shot.

and yet here I am with a power that isn't

Yeah no.

fun how you had nothing to say until someone started pushing on you and now suddenly I'm mafia.

I still don't think you are scum over Alison. Gnome I can't read so I don't mind a lynch there.

that doesn't super line up with what you just said but ok whatever

lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:56 am Pretty sure after Mac lynches me, the next target would be allcrab lol.

I am not going to get you chopped lomo you can stop melting like a snowman.

lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:56 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:55 am

lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:54 am Looking at the roles we have had and the roles scum have had, I would say Mac's claim is bullshit. If he was really town his power should have been one shot.

and yet here I am with a power that isn't

Yeah no.

fun how you had nothing to say until someone started pushing on you and now suddenly I'm mafia.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:53 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:50 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:50 am On the other hand, nutella basically cased lost monkey on Day 1. She didn’t take that step with anyone else she beefed with.

would that not be the point?

I’m not interested in what could be true in some hypothetical. I’m interested in what IS true. If nutella wanted to chop lost monkey they’re probably not teammates. One just has to wonder how far nutella would have taken it. I suspect she’d have taken it far since her case followed a case on lost monkey that I had made myself. She was allowing me to serve as the driving catalyst of her mischop and nudging it forward herself.

maaaybe

lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:54 am Looking at the roles we have had and the roles scum have had, I would say Mac's claim is bullshit. If he was really town his power should have been one shot.

and yet here I am with a power that isn't

lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:52 am Lol Mac if you are scum, you shouldn't try this hard to get me lynched, it won't end well for you.

im scared daddy hold me

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:22 am

lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:21 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:19 am

lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:18 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:14 am

lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:13 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:11 am

Nanook?

yeah, why not?

why?

Somewhat had a town lean on him D1, but right now i got nothing.

Is that sufficient for Sloonei to shoot at him? I think Nook is town.

clearing people is still clearing.

Sloonei would die.

lomo fun happy hour redux

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:50 am On the other hand, nutella basically cased lost monkey on Day 1. She didn’t take that step with anyone else she beefed with.

would that not be the point?

lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:08 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:06 am

lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:05 am

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:02 am

lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:57 am

bad bunny wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:54 am

lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:53 am jjj or sloonei, one of them is scum but which one?

why not both?

Its possible but I don't think so.

So you don’t believe Sloonei’s claim? Can you explain why? The way I’ve thought about it: if he is scum making this claim, what purpose does it serve? We seem to believe there can be multiple roles this game so it wouldn’t really hard anyone enough to cc. If he has a kill, why not just use it secretly?

sloonei has claimed? I haven't caught up, just saw the kills and came to that conclusion.

1 shot uni back up. Has the desperado shot. Wants input on who to shoot.

Should use it on act or nanook probably.

fun lomo post

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 3:01 am Act maybe
Gnome maybe
Made maybe
OC maybe
Allcrab maybe
Martin ... no?
Lost Monkey no
Bad Bunny ... I kinda think we need to sheep Allcrab?

in which i am obvious town for this readslist

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:39 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:25 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:24 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:21 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:17 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:16 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:51 pm actv is just town tho, nut was genuinely trying to chop the perceived lhf lol nutella spew is real

all of nutella's act suspicion was very early on when no one was actually at risk of being chopped.

it doesn't matter nutella is transparent when she is trying to chop someone earnestly, it's the same with lost monkey

Is she incapable of distancing?
What about her Owner read?

Come on Sloonei.

Is she incapable of distancing?
What about her Owner read?

She is capable of distancing. She is also incapable of hiding when she is baring fangs trying to kill LHF. There are stark differences in her treatment of actv and lost monkey vs. owner, not just including her own posts but also the thread sentiment and context.

in which i cleared myself as owners partner

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:42 am flashback to when Alison said her Poe was just Mac and TSP and I was so annoyed that I got Mac out of it

town mvp

Starting from the top.

I would not have bussed nutella.
I would have landed a kill n1.
I would have been near first to claim with a real good fake claim.

etc. etc.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:37 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:36 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:36 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:33 am I've been straight up obvious town all game. I'm just in the POE because I didn't get in on your claim party quick enough. If I did I'd be cleared by now.

I can’t think of a strong reason to call you town that doesn’t involve nutella.

How about "has done nothing to progress the mafia wincon".

succesfully

I am a winner.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:36 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:33 am I've been straight up obvious town all game. I'm just in the POE because I didn't get in on your claim party quick enough. If I did I'd be cleared by now.

I can’t think of a strong reason to call you town that doesn’t involve nutella.

How about "has done nothing to progress the mafia wincon".

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:34 am That's like saying "Oh, you're a doctor. You previously protected Y. Clearly since X survived they must've been protected by a mafia doctor instead of some role-block on the attacker"

You're evidently a townie with an identical role to a dead townie. We have seen literally zero other people with the same thing that weren't masons. If you believe there to be two town healers you should be assuming Gnome was healed by mafia ergo is mafia. But instead youre just subsisting off the moisture of the Jay tree and have me as numma 1 POE for whatever reasons.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:33 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:32 am

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:27 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:30 am

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:00 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:26 am All y'all: who would you include in your POE pool of exactly three mafia suspects?

Mac -> Gnome -> LoMo

I haven't really checked on LoMo recently nor compared him to Allcrab yet.

Mac & Gnome could be switched if I'm convinced it's possible and not implausible that there's two town in Mac/Alison. I just feel a bit surprised that both of them are alive up to this point along with JJJ and Sloonei.

its weird that gnome isn't outed from your perspective

It would be more suspicious if there hadn't been a duplicate & in-most-cases redundant same-alignment healer

after that I've basically made fewer mechanical assumptions or certainties

there's also other lesser reasons such as the fact that poisoner is 3P and could have some sort of limit (such as flavor) in exchange for some other benefits; I have 0 prior experience with 3P poisoners

You have to look at it as her being healed by the mafia from your perspective.

Considering I haven't I would guess that I really don't have to.

Wack

I've been straight up obvious town all game. I'm just in the POE because I didn't get in on your claim party quick enough. If I did I'd be cleared by now.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:27 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:30 am

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:00 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:26 am All y'all: who would you include in your POE pool of exactly three mafia suspects?

Mac -> Gnome -> LoMo

I haven't really checked on LoMo recently nor compared him to Allcrab yet.

Mac & Gnome could be switched if I'm convinced it's possible and not implausible that there's two town in Mac/Alison. I just feel a bit surprised that both of them are alive up to this point along with JJJ and Sloonei.

its weird that gnome isn't outed from your perspective

It would be more suspicious if there hadn't been a duplicate & in-most-cases redundant same-alignment healer

after that I've basically made fewer mechanical assumptions or certainties

there's also other lesser reasons such as the fact that poisoner is 3P and could have some sort of limit (such as flavor) in exchange for some other benefits; I have 0 prior experience with 3P poisoners

You have to look at it as her being healed by the mafia from your perspective.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:23 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:08 amthe scummiest person the entire game

Among the people alive, that's you.

It absolutely is not.

You don't have to. But you should. It would make town win chances improve.

I think the correct thing to do is to put me in the towncore as I am the only person who will have the nuts to weed out the last maf if they're deep. If you leave me alive today you have to make a commitment to letting me skate. I am not gonna go through another round of lazy Mac wagon all day. I refuse. I will mail in a letter of complaint to TS admin.

If I look at the game without mech I would say that LoMo is the scummiest, followed by Gnome. And given how much mech there is and the mafia had a rolecop and some information advantage it might just be reasonable to chop the scummiest people. LoMo has been the scummiest person the entire game and aside from a claim (that even if real can benefit the mafia as a role) and #nutellaspew he has nothing. Nutella did appear to clear him but she ain't come down in the last shower and knows what her spew does to interactive analysing players.

Then there's the claim weirdness between LoMo and Allcrab that we kinda glossed over where Allcrab initially claimed the same role as LoMo then retracted it which in most games probably gets Allcrab turboed but here he's just never been priority because of the curbstomp.

Finally we have Martin's healer claim/Gnome survival.

I think it's fair to say I'm obvious cleared town now.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:57 am I don't think it's Allcrab. Good chance Nanook was killed to avoid Allcrab.

Maybe but also maybe not.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:44 pm I think we just kill made today, hopefully I can get NKed now that I've claimed, and tomorrow you can figure it out but I'd recommend allcrab

perhaps we should just sheep nook on this?

@MartinGG99 how did Gnome survive?