The Syndicate

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:28 pm If Sabie wasn't red checked TSP would have shot Sabie if their claim was real since we wouldn't have lynched Sabie to prove TSP.

or he just wouldn't have and claimed to be blocked or sabie saved

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:27 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:26 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:25 pm I think TSP is only Mafia if Wiggly is Mafia.
Mafia needs a Pyro for TSP's plan to fake shoot Sabie to ever work.

or there never was a plan to fake shoot sabie?

I mean he said so at the start of the day way before Sabie had been red checked.
Unless Marmot is also fake and he knew she'd by lynched anyways.

or he just lied about that

just spent the entire day burying gavial and not much else

in hindsight tsp's day 3 was just a garbage fire

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:25 pm I think TSP is only Mafia if Wiggly is Mafia.
Mafia needs a Pyro for TSP's plan to fake shoot Sabie to ever work.

or there never was a plan to fake shoot sabie?

tsp had a bad eod and tried to softly defend nanook... voted with nanook to save sabie and killed a town with his shot... he has no town equity from as far as I can tell

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:24 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:22 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:19 pm Like if im scum and Marmot is town, he is dead. If Mac is town, dead as hell. Linear who is spewed town by Sabie? Dead!

I’d never push Axe if he is yown, he is an agent of chaos I’d love to keep them.

Im just town here

this is tmi

Everyone I want dead would be dead if I was mafia.

yes we are playing one of those infinite mafia factional games

and by fake I mean real but mafia

I think if anyone is fake here it's tsp

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:21 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:18 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:16 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:12 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:11 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:01 pm Honestly need some others to get in and get a real discussion going.
I'm bored.

For real though I'm thinking my PoE is between Wiggly, Falcon, LC, NAA, Guillio, and Martin.
In that order.

Bitch, im never PoE i pushed Sabie to their death and while Nanook is not my pelt to claim, i wrote valid point why he coukd ve scum and well, he was.

You see, I'm paranoid and think you are bussing.

So im smart and skilled enough to bus them but too dumb to kill threats? Like … scum me never kills Gavial or Jack who were PoE. No, I’d go after clears or strong voices with clout.

Not for nothing im one of the best scum players to ever live.

But that's what you want me to think.

So i am that good eh? Noice. If you are town im gonna put this in my Signature yo! For bragging rights.

I think you should just go into antispew

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:19 pm Like if im scum and Marmot is town, he is dead. If Mac is town, dead as hell. Linear who is spewed town by Sabie? Dead!

I’d never push Axe if he is yown, he is an agent of chaos I’d love to keep them.

Im just town here

this is tmi

I'm voting guillo til further notice

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:19 pm Like if im scum and Marmot is town, he is dead. If Mac is town, dead as hell. Linear who is spewed town by Sabie? Dead!

I’d never push Axe if he is yown, he is an agent of chaos I’d love to keep them.

Im just town here

well I did self save n2

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:16 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:12 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:45 pm Although when I look at this player list, I would enjoy scumming with anyone on it, so I don't know if there's much to gleam from it

guillo lol

Sure, although I would expect Guillo to bus nanook in a heartbeat

it's entirely likely nanook wanted his team to stack to save sabie and guillo refused and pissed nanook off entirely

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:09 pm He said this man is town, because he has no reason to back read with his gimmick, but he is... So he must be town.

yes that was one of my better reads

then you went over d1 anyway

oh soz I didn't read the previous naa...

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:13 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:11 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:42 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:39 pm Honestly I'm thinking maybe Guillotine is Mafia.
He was initially on the lynch Jack train before I came in and redirected the train to Nanook.
I think the train was LC who blocked Jack, Guillotine, Gav, and someone else I can't remember.

I think - and I'm going to blow macdaddy's mind with this - mafia team are players Nanook didn't care to play with. I'm way too fun, and Nanook is a big fan of mine, follows me on instagram and metaverse.

you might be right

Ok, but does the NPC read apply to Wilgy? I cba to check... Might do tomorrow, probably will actually.

nah wilgy and nanook would have fun together... unless wilgy is demotivated by another slot also

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:10 pm I mean honestly Wiggly's gimmick isn't really AI, but he also has only been voting vanity wagon.

yes he's voted me most of the game... an obvious town

I like playing with guillo but I think nanook and guillo would have issues

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:45 pm Although when I look at this player list, I would enjoy scumming with anyone on it, so I don't know if there's much to gleam from it

guillo lol

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:42 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:39 pm Honestly I'm thinking maybe Guillotine is Mafia.
He was initially on the lynch Jack train before I came in and redirected the train to Nanook.
I think the train was LC who blocked Jack, Guillotine, Gav, and someone else I can't remember.

I think - and I'm going to blow macdaddy's mind with this - mafia team are players Nanook didn't care to play with. I'm way too fun, and Nanook is a big fan of mine, follows me on instagram and metaverse.

you might be right

What are the living claims? We force mass claim today and kill everything bogus.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:06 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:04 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:02 pm That'd be too obvious though, nah

Maybe that is what scum wants us to think.

Why scum would kill Gavial? The loose cannon who's been PoE.

Scum does not kill Gavial but if they didn't... scum does not kill Jack either. The kills dont make sense.

Jack is spewed town by the nanook flip and probably had wolves voting him.

NAA is essentially outed by two wagons now.

Explain it to me like I'm a 10 years old please

Nanook flipped mafia
This spews the mafia team as having tried to save Sabie
It probably means at least one more mafia voted Seanzie
NAA refused to push Nanook and was a bad Seanzie voter
Dolby voted on both counterwagons
NAA has been hard pushing Dolby
There is always at least one between them
The mafia probably had multiple people voting Jack much like they did Seanzie
Probably Dolby/Nanook and Wilgy.

dolby/naa/drwilgy

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:02 pm That'd be too obvious though, nah

Maybe that is what scum wants us to think.

Why scum would kill Gavial? The loose cannon who's been PoE.

Scum does not kill Gavial but if they didn't... scum does not kill Jack either. The kills dont make sense.

Jack is spewed town by the nanook flip and probably had wolves voting him.

NAA is essentially outed by two wagons now.

well I'm clear so that's good

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 7:44 pm I mean to be honest Jack probably was going to be lynch if I didn't campaign for a Nanook lynch.
Boy will I feel dumb when Nanook flips Town and Jack is Mafia who survived to MyLo.

i wouldn't care

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 7:39 pm While I'm tempted to go with a Gav CFD, no one's online so like that'll never happen.
Also still traumatized by the last CFD.

I don't care if we chop Gavial or Nanook tbh

suh

ok

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:12 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:11 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:10 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:51 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:50 pm nanook is only wolfy from the fact that he hasn't poe solved the game yet but that's still significant but idk

oh yeah voting the town counter to openwolf Sabie that Nanook finds an easy read is definitely not a reason

I don't have an easy time reading sabie lol what are you talking about

bullshit

I've wrongly defended her both of the two times she's rolled mafia against me im pretty sure

alright

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:10 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:51 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:50 pm nanook is only wolfy from the fact that he hasn't poe solved the game yet but that's still significant but idk

oh yeah voting the town counter to openwolf Sabie that Nanook finds an easy read is definitely not a reason

I don't have an easy time reading sabie lol what are you talking about

bullshit

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:56 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:55 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:52 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:46 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:40 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:37 pm Why does wolf NAA ever post that to wolf Nanook?

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I'm open to any thoughts on it. It seems everyone is content with "Mac posted some things that sound somewhat intelligent, he must be town". Mac himself in postgame will admit that nothing he's posted to this point is alignment indicative in the slightest, or the actual nuance that makes it alignment indicative actually isn't what he's being read for.

I don't know how anyone town reads this guy, it's about as crazy as people town reading me for being erratic at times and/or deliberately taking a few pages out of the game to go off on a tangent. It's just not the way to read the player.

You are just entirely outrageously wrong in your appraisal here.

I've been townie. If I hadn't been I'd be getting pushed a lot harder because that's what happens to me. I have a townie claim (that I am backed into a corner to use the way town forces me to use it) and I immediately tried to turbo Sabie when day 2 started well before Marmot outed the red check.

Your arguments that I am not town are confirmation bias, paranoia, tinfoil and StarV brand bad logic mixed together in a blender and out came this shit read.

I might be wrong about your alignment, and still you'll agree with what's in bold post-game.

I think the only players actively townreading me are like Jack, Linearpoint and Guillo and Jack and Linearpoint have outlined good reasons. Guillo might just be pocketing me.

You're full of caca

But... I'm not.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:52 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:46 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:40 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:37 pm Why does wolf NAA ever post that to wolf Nanook?

brainfullof.png

I'm open to any thoughts on it. It seems everyone is content with "Mac posted some things that sound somewhat intelligent, he must be town". Mac himself in postgame will admit that nothing he's posted to this point is alignment indicative in the slightest, or the actual nuance that makes it alignment indicative actually isn't what he's being read for.

I don't know how anyone town reads this guy, it's about as crazy as people town reading me for being erratic at times and/or deliberately taking a few pages out of the game to go off on a tangent. It's just not the way to read the player.

You are just entirely outrageously wrong in your appraisal here.

I've been townie. If I hadn't been I'd be getting pushed a lot harder because that's what happens to me. I have a townie claim (that I am backed into a corner to use the way town forces me to use it) and I immediately tried to turbo Sabie when day 2 started well before Marmot outed the red check.

Your arguments that I am not town are confirmation bias, paranoia, tinfoil and StarV brand bad logic mixed together in a blender and out came this shit read.

I might be wrong about your alignment, and still you'll agree with what's in bold post-game.

I think the only players actively townreading me are like Jack, Linearpoint and Guillo and Jack and Linearpoint have outlined good reasons. Guillo might just be pocketing me.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:50 pm nanook is only wolfy from the fact that he hasn't poe solved the game yet but that's still significant but idk

oh yeah voting the town counter to openwolf Sabie that Nanook finds an easy read is definitely not a reason

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:47 pm You know Mac, I find it much harder to get any kind of vibe from you over text compared to video.

Well yeah I am truly a shit video mafia player lol.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:40 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:37 pm Why does wolf NAA ever post that to wolf Nanook?

brainfullof.png

I'm open to any thoughts on it. It seems everyone is content with "Mac posted some things that sound somewhat intelligent, he must be town". Mac himself in postgame will admit that nothing he's posted to this point is alignment indicative in the slightest, or the actual nuance that makes it alignment indicative actually isn't what he's being read for.

I don't know how anyone town reads this guy, it's about as crazy as people town reading me for being erratic at times and/or deliberately taking a few pages out of the game to go off on a tangent. It's just not the way to read the player.

You are just entirely outrageously wrong in your appraisal here.

I've been townie. If I hadn't been I'd be getting pushed a lot harder because that's what happens to me. I have a townie claim (that I am backed into a corner to use the way town forces me to use it) and I immediately tried to turbo Sabie when day 2 started well before Marmot outed the red check.

Your arguments that I am not town are confirmation bias, paranoia, tinfoil and StarV brand bad logic mixed together in a blender and out came this shit read.

I would care about this push if it was anyone other than NAA who nobody ever listens to anyway.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:15 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:13 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:02 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:58 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:46 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:39 pm My biggest issue with the nanook saving sabie thing is it seems so far off what I remember his mafia meta to be? I do think It"s been awhile since we played though.

Nanook yoloing onto his teammate's counterwagon d1 is entirely on brand.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:55 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:39 pm My biggest issue with the nanook saving sabie thing is it seems so far off what I remember his mafia meta to be? I do think It"s been awhile since we played though.

Wrong tbh

I'll take y'all word for it since like i said think It's been awhile since we played.

It's half correct, I would do that as mafia sometimes, but I wouldn't do that then turn right around and have sabs carry the kill lol

So what you're saying is that Sabie didn't carry the kill at all and in fact Marmot is mafia who made up the red check entirely

Wot

I don't see how you get that from what I said

Well you are hiding behind a logical argument that only you think is valid.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:02 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:58 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:46 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:39 pm My biggest issue with the nanook saving sabie thing is it seems so far off what I remember his mafia meta to be? I do think It"s been awhile since we played though.

Nanook yoloing onto his teammate's counterwagon d1 is entirely on brand.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:55 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:39 pm My biggest issue with the nanook saving sabie thing is it seems so far off what I remember his mafia meta to be? I do think It"s been awhile since we played though.

Wrong tbh

I'll take y'all word for it since like i said think It's been awhile since we played.

It's half correct, I would do that as mafia sometimes, but I wouldn't do that then turn right around and have sabs carry the kill lol

So what you're saying is that Sabie didn't carry the kill at all and in fact Marmot is mafia who made up the red check entirely

Maybe Gavial is right about Marmot lol.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:49 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 5:53 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:21 pm @DrWilgy
@MacDougall
@LinearPoint
@Lime Coke
@Dolby
@NotAnAxehole

I want you 6 to remember something very important.
TSP being Mafia Sniper confirms Falcon as Mafia.

Mphh

How is this player allowed to just post this and get by in beyond comprehension.

When I tried to push him as outed mafia for his votes Gavial had some galaxy brain reason for gamestate reading him town.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:45 pm Mac's progression:

Slank

Tryhard

Actually, I cba to think about this anymore... And by the way, you can flip me as well.



How is this town?

Where did you pull out of your ass that this progression is some sort of scum archetype? It literally isn't. Being participatory in bursts is NAI at best and you aren't even commenting on the content of said bursts. You're just a wolf anyway so your opinion doesn't matter.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:39 pm My biggest issue with the nanook saving sabie thing is it seems so far off what I remember his mafia meta to be? I do think It"s been awhile since we played though.

Nanook yoloing onto his teammate's counterwagon d1 is entirely on brand.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:38 pm So I'm going to propose a radical idea that Jack might just be derp cleared.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:37 pm Nobody targeted LP night 1 but me.

I hadn’t caught up and it was like a reverse fear watch.

Mafia Soldier gets the exact role of who they target.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:18 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:12 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:07 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:06 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:02 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:40 am @LinearPoint
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@falcon45ca
@Dolby
@sig
@TonyStarkPrime


Votes onto JackofHearts he's outed mechanically.

But seriously know know that if nothing else like…two players got roleblocked. Stop being dense.

So why not push the other one? Do you think the kill wasn’t blocked?

AFAIK, nobody has claimed the other one, for starters.

I don’t know if the kill was blocked or not. It wasn’t blocked by Like blocking me.

If theoretically I blocked Nanook? And you didn’t read it?

If that’s not a theoretical claim, then we should just yeet Nanook, yeah.

Same mechanical info but I’ve got antialignment with a flipped wolf and am out of my wolf meta whereas Nanook isn’t trying to solve and is making bad excuses for his vote while discouraging pressure on im self by trying to point me at Marmot instead.

Here he seems to believe that my fake claim was real. Which if he is Mafia, he would know is fake.

While he could just be knowing it was fake and going along anyways I think the fact that Gav called out my claim as fake immediately and Jack didn't latch onto it being fake seems to suggest to me he is actually just completely oblivious and has no idea what is even going on in this game let alone having information only Mafia would have.

I'm sorry what's fake?

What we know from mech is that both these players were roleblocked last night and no kill appeared. This is muddied by the fact that I also self saved. So realistically the mech is a total push.

We have Jack who yoloed onto Sabie and Nanook who yoloed onto Seanzie to save Sabie. Level 1, 2, 3 and 4 all indicate that Jack is town and Nanook is mafia.

We have NotAnAxehole who also yoloed onto Seanzie voting for Jack, which is a good look for Jack and bad for Nanook. Along with DrWIlgy whose whole game has been grumbles and voting me for no articulated reason. Lime Coke and Marmot who would appear to be town (though Marmot is voting Jack over a Sabie voter, given he red checked Sabie n1 is a bit weird).

For Nanook we have LP who is just the obvious town in this game. Gavial the agent of chaos and Dolby whose claim is very towny and who was also a day 1 Seanzie voter, along with me voting against a Seanzie voter, which is not scummy.

In terms of wagon composition the Nanook wagon is better and the argument for chopping Nanook is a lot better.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:36 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:29 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:19 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:14 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:02 pm Keep this up Mac and I might flop you over to the mafia side of my Mac meta.

oh no how scary sig is threatening to omgus me

I mean see whenever I do omgus you it's because you're mafia that goes for me, very rarely does town mac try to dumbly vote me off. Now usually it doesn't matter buuuuuut I take great joy at end game/in dead chat, being able to whine and feel vindicated that I was once again right.

Every time I suspect you regardless of your alignment you always make this argument which is always incorrect as I've pushed you as town many times, and been correct many times...

I think you are sus. Not being pushed since d1 given your performance here is strongly indicative that you are mafia or the mafia would have tried to push you.

What about pushing you of all people makes me dumb? Where do you get off calling me dumb for daring to push a tepid, omgussy Sig that has been coasting?

1. I mean it's a pretty good argument to make.

2. I wouldn't say I'm being tepid what so ever, I'm making reads when I see them and asking questions. Not my fault more people aren't engaging in my reads and that the thread keeps getting derailed by dumb arguments.

3. On this whole tepid/not doing enough point we are only on D3, and D2 was a total wash, even with that I've still done more than alot of other players so kinda weak to see I'm not doing anything and being tepid.

4. Back to point 3, I don't think I'm coasting at all, I'm posting, giving my thoughts, and staying caught up which is more than some people. So don't really see where this whole coasting thing is coming from.

5. It's dumb since it"s wrong and is a lazy approach. Not really doing any work into it just asking why other people haven't voted for me and helping to set up mafia for an easy vote/mislynch.

How is it a lazy approach to push someone with 0 votes when there are 5-3 wagons? The work has yet to start.

Dumb since it's wrong hey. Okay well I'm just gonna go ahead and call everyone sussing me dumb, that is surely a mature way to engage people.

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

We should quit these asinine arguments based on NAI/mech fuckery and just kill everyone from the Seanzie wagon day 1 until we hit a wolf. If town saved mafia Sabie over town Seanzie I'll gladly just laugh and move on the next game. This game needs better direction.

Before some giant brain points out I was on that wagon, yes I know, feel free to flip me idc.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:30 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:28 pm [VOTE: Gav] aubergine

I asked you a question tho

He answered it.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:22 pm I love coming back to multiple announcements of “you have been mentioned by Gavial”, it fills me with joy every time

Imagine being me.