The Syndicate

I think Dom and Matt are both Empire and this is our last chance to lynch one of them.

Wilgy, Niju, Russ please vote for Matt. They'll win alone if we don't lynch one of them.

Let's be real about this.

I want to vote for Matt today. Failing that I would vote for Wilgy. Failing that for Dom. Russ and Niju are well off limits.

Where's everybody else at?

Wait there was no kill?

Well hot damn!

DrWilgy wrote:Nah, they gotta kill a non-neutral.

Also, do you think that the other neutrals care about either side winning other than their own? But as you stated, it is hypothetical, and as I stated, I'm rootin for ya.

Yes that's what I meant. It still doesn't work mathematically if they kill me. If there is just one of them and they kill me tonight and then force vote you to whoever they want they are still outnumbered 2-1 on LYLO day. For your hypothesis to be accurate there'd have to be 2 left.

I dunno man, the Jawas probably do need to kill the Empire to win if the game is canon.

DrWilgy wrote:Did I say that there were 2 empire left?

Your hypothetical about them killing a neutral and force voting you only works mathematically if there are still two left.

I can't deal lol. This is too hard basket.

Matt wrote:What do we think of Russ? Someone (Mac, I'm pretty sure) said that Russ is most definitely Golden's jawa teammate? Or were we thinking that about DFaraday?

I only ask because on Day 2, Glorfindel was "torn" on voting between Bass and Enrique. Said he believed both were civ, so tossed his vote on Russ. I'm going to see what Daisy's interactions with Russ were.

Yes, I am desperately trying to find a reason not to vote Mac. Though my conscious is telling me that Mac is a lying liar about having to force vote, I'd rather not believe that as a baddie he's able to post so much content. That is scary crazy if so.

Off to read Daisy... (and if anyone can direct me to where we are definitely sure Russ is an indy, that'd be super too)

As a baddie I am easily capable of posting this much content, but you telling me that I'm lying about having to force vote is fucking beginning to annoy me. What the hell is it based on? I received a PM saying I was being compelled to vote for MP. I voted.

DrWilgy wrote:I technically never claimed tuskan, you did for me. -__-

Plus based on this response to the ending of a night:

Dom wrote:Who should I leave alone and who should I bother?



Daisy! Where you looking?

You should be able to tell that there is consistency in my role. Also, don't confuse my own personal spice with game mechanics. ~<3

Also, you stated it yourself, I mentioned my name where I could. Why would I do that if I was bad? Why would I trust anyone who isn't my team?

The last hole in this thought is that I killed Dfaraday. Why would I kill anyone who had my back if I were the last baddie? Especially at this point in the game?

And here's the kicker. Mac, I'm not bad, but I'm willing to be if it means staying alive. Based on the way votes are stacked up, and the remaining number of players all empire needs to do is NK a non neutral and then direct my vote and then both they and I win.

I suppose the gist of what I'm saying is that focusing on me isn't the correct plan of action. I'm still rooting for you though.

Why do you think there are still two Empire players?

Matt wrote:Daisy's Mentions of Russ In Thread: Zero

Her second to last post in the game, says she wants to go after low posters. Doesn't mention Russ, but mentioned Bubbles and Bass.

Also, I can see Mac being her teamie based on their interactions. She was pretty meany head towards Mac at some point, and I don't remember Daisy ever acting like that, so perhaps she was fake being meany head towards Mac? Hmmm

I just voted her and she was lynched. I didn't have to make that happen Matt. I am not bad. Interesting that you remember that bit when you don't seem to have remembered/paid attention to anything else.

MP was right? You do realise that MP was Empire as was Daisy ergo right isn't really the word I'd use.

Matt read the thread. Golden howled down every suspicion of Russ the way he do when he isn't allowed to info dump and then I more or less asked him in a subtle way and he said yes. Niju and Russ have given each other a wide berth in the thread other than to say they wouldn't vote for one another and we have no dead Jawas except Golden. They are teflon. You are bad.

Yikes, so Dom being Dom is probably going to shake his head at this but like I said I had only scum read you because I had (clearly wrong) roles built on both of them. Well without that, you are alright.

But, where is the Tuskan Raider's been destroyed message? If Faraday was the last of them. Dom, if you were a TR would you let Wilgy fake claim it like this?

Hmm.

I just had an epiphany.

Both of my PMs about my status as being poisoned came as messages directly from Wilgy, not from the mods. Isn't that highly unusual for poison? Don't you usually get an official message from mods about that? Both of mine are really informal. Like, Wilgy is just sending me a message and telling me that he's poisoned and cured me with nice little love hearts on them.

Hmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fuck.

Crumb's amusement comes from pranking people with bullshit PMs to make them think they have to do shit! That's all it is! He PMed Golden pretending to be me. He's been pretending to poison people since he did it to Enrique way back when. Why he did it to Enrique I have no idea, maybe they didn't know they were teammates after all? My Roxy PM came direct from the mods different size, font, style, so that was a real action placed on me. Not this crap with love hearts. This is also why he's told me that he's going to cure Dom, because he has no choice because he hasn't really poisoned Dom so if Dom was supposed to get lynched out of poison and doesn't then Wilgy would look bad.

Wilgy be the Crumb! Explains why he's killed Faraday as well because having a real Tuskan alive with a balls out fake claim going on is totally capable of blowing up in his face at any given moment. Russ has been insistent on Wilgy being bad despite it all, probably because he has info somehow with Jawaness.

Yeah fuck, you had me good Wilgy you maniac.

Matt wrote:A few things, Mac...

Barring info, I have no idea how you could possibly know who I am. But dat's cool, I civ.

Also, I've decided I'm going to drop my sus of you. At least you're like, ummmm playing, which is more then I can say for some others. I'll reveal why I think you were (are? lol) lying about the force vote at endgame, but as I said, you're putting in effort so eff it. I agree that Bubbles' "to stay consistent" vote is totally wtf and will be joining you on voting Bubbles.

I also wouldn't be opposed to a Bass lynch, either.

I can't read Daisy, but I'm still going to guess that Glorfindel wouldn't have transferred out if he had a team to work with.

I'll never trust Dom again (I didn't say in the game, but he actually started to convince me he was legit in AWR towards the end lol), but I have no specific reason to suspect him here.

Why do you think Blooper is indy, Mac? Did I miss something?

You've been buddying Dom because you are scared of pissing him off haven't you? You can't just "drop suss" because a player is active and then target low posters at the pivotal portion of the game. And then you've continued to play it like you think I am bad after this post where you claim you're gonna stop. Like you just switch suspicions on and off? You can only do that if they're fake Matt.

The only reason you aren't lynched yet is because you are playing so weird that I went out of my way to find an excuse for you.

You were buddying everyone, you've not gone hard after anyone. It's so tentative. You've not actually tried to make anything happen at all. Where's the tinfoil Matt? Where's the conspirator?! Huh!? Your votes are on all the inconsequential wagons. Your votes are all over the shop. Random.org wtf!?

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you aren't playing like the other Matt, but if you were a civ you damn well would be by now. At this juncture, if you were a civ, you'd have damn near lost your shit like I have, but worse.

There is no way on God's green Earth now that you don't have the protection of my stupid role claim on your behalf that you are a civilian. You are Empire and you will die. You were lovey lovey with Daisy. You were surprised at her flip!? You were the first to point out that my arguments against Faraday, Llama and Elo (possibly all wrong) had me clearing Daisy, defending her on her behalf! You are so her teammate.

DrWilgy wrote:Don't kill me bro, I poisoned Enrique first. Look back at my posts and you'll see my intrigue towards him.

Yeah where are those posts where Zebra (I think) actually told the thread that the poison was Crumb poisoning Enrique (teammate) for the amusement of Jabba? I cannae find.

Some light reading for anyone entertaining the idea that I might be a Hutt.

Does this look like Zebra talking to a teammate?

a2thezebra wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

MacDougall wrote: Linki: Zebra you haven't even paused and taken a breath to consider that I'm right. When I'm sure most would agree that at the absolute very least it looks bad to Golden. The only thing that made me question whether you are scum together was that there is still the chance that Golden making Brian lol was just unlucky and that you guys are still teammates together but then Golden came out and said that you most definitely aren't so you're both as good as fucked.

Is that so?

a2thezebra wrote:But really, even Matt who pointed this out didn't think the lol thing wasn't anywhere near a guarantee. Maybe if Golden had already pinged me a thousand times it would raise an eyebrow but on its own it ain't shit IMO

Does this look like total closed-minded dismissal to you? And how can you say that most would agree that at the very least it looks bad when Matt himself who noted the observation wasn't even half as sold on the connection being definite as you are? Hell, if Matt was here you would probably be calling him scum too for not being behind his own damn theory one hundred percent full force. You still haven't clarified the inconsistency I mentioned earlier. You said I was one of the Hutts without this connection but then you said me agreeing with Golden makes me his teammate by
default. These are contradictory suggestions.

How about you quote the other ten posts you've made since I pointed this out where you called me high, laughed at me, made a sarcastic post about being teammates with Golden etc. etc. etc. Instead of the one post that could possibly, but not really, be construed as genuinely entertaining the idea.

Sure thing, and remember, you literally asked for it.

a2thezebra wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Let's summarise.

Jabba's court jester is required to amuse him every day to activate some secrets...

Golden on two separate occasions acquired a "lol" from Brian. One with a mightly unusual from Golden meme post.

Golden identified Brian as scum with a very unusual line of thought.

Looks pretty bad for you right?

Zebra is your other teammate.

You're high.

a2thezebra wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Let's summarise.

Jabba's court jester is required to amuse him every day to activate some secrets...

Golden on two separate occasions acquired a "lol" from Brian. One with a mightly unusual from Golden meme post.

Golden identified Brian as scum with a very unusual line of thought.

Looks pretty bad for you right?

Zebra is your other teammate.

You're high.

I'm high? I notice how you don't call me bad or wrong, just high. Sick answer.

I actually have you on the same team without this, your defense of him is cool.

Since when? Since you knew Simon was innocent perhaps? At most there is only two Hutts alive.

a2thezebra wrote:I will save you from your lulz, teammate, then I shall return to the aethyr

a2thezebra wrote:

MacDougall wrote:I had you as town because I had Zebra as town and I picked up what Zebra has been inferring. But I think this recent turn of events makes for more compelling evidence that you are bad, and that her public alignment with you makes her bad by default.

Also, I don't actually think that the bussing of bcornett and Enrique is what it seems. For a few reasons.

1. Enrique would have been lynched eventually anyway. So only bcornett getting lynched before him is unusual but...
2. The *secrets* in crumb's role could mean anything. So there is totally no way to know what you could possibly stand to gain by bussing bcornett.
3. I can see a conversation occuring where you all realise just how teflon you'd be if you bussed bcornett, just so you could defend yourself with this point.
4. I think you guys recruit people.

Linki: Where did you ask that? I had you, Zebra and Niju as the Jawas until I remembered Matt's post.

Golden you made the ONLY two posts that made him lol. Tell me how is it supposed to be decided that Brian is amused? How other than Brian outwardly displaying his amusement in the thread. And you are the only person who amused him. And you did it twice.

No no no no no, you said you had me on the same team (the Hutts) without this obvious connection. Now you're saying me agreeing that with Golden that the "lol" thing is suspect at best makes me bad by default? Make up your mind.

a2thezebra wrote:

MacDougall wrote:And Zebra was defending him before I turned it on her as well btw. Zebra, defending Golden. What is this world even.

Golden if you get me lynched tomorrow you'll just be lynched the next day so if in the 1% chance I'm wrong and you are civ that is a bad bad bad idea.

Yeah, if I disagree with the reasoning behind the accused then I will defend the accused. I will do this with everyone. Apparently you only see me in attack mode?

There, are you happy? I know everyone who just had more shit that they've already seen and perhaps read to scroll through isn't. Oh and here's another inconsistency. Why are you asking me to be more open-minded to you being right about this if it means that I myself am not only implicated, but confirmed as a teammate if you are correct? If you think these posts are being closed-minded towards the "lol" connection then you didn't read them (big surprise). I called you high because you insinuated that I'm Golden's teammate for not agreeing with you, I laughed at you...never, I made a sarcastic post about being teammates with Golden because I find humor in the reasoning that made you arrive to that conclusion, and I also pointed out a number of inconsistencies and flaws in your logic that you have yet to reconcile.

Matt wrote:Hokey smokes! GlorDaisy was bad!

Oh, and ummmm I'm not Lando, Mac. However, you are correct that if I were bad, I probably would've offed you awhile ago haha!

That being said, feel free to keep me alive baddies since Mac sees me as a viable lynch candidate. Thankies!

Well if you aren't Lando then you are pretty much the bad bad, worse than Dom bad. Should have just fake claimed Lando.

If your vote isn't up for sale, why do you keep throwing your vote away Matt? Day after day you put your vote on inconsequential lynches? I thought it was against your will but now you need to explain yourself.

Glordaisy was bad and that's a surprise to you? That is the person who has had the most suspicion cast on them by the most players in the game. How could it be a surprise to you that they were to flip bad?

It's not "paper thin". You've played a very good game, either way and congrats on that but you are very likely to be bad at this point.

Actively campaigning for MPs lynch and Spacedaisy's lynch would just be basic scum distancing and you know it, there is much to gain by doing it, hell you're still here for instance. When have you been scum and not at some point called for a teammates lynch? Every scum does it in every game. Hell MP literally actively campaigned for Daisy's lynch heavily and vice versa and she just flipped Empire ergo his teammate. Using that as a crutch isn't very convincing, and you know it. You are more likely to be a Hutt though I will give you that. Your reason for not voting that day is fine, but it's not like it's alignment indicative anyway ... and you know it.

The most realistic possibilities imo:

Dom is Hutt and Matt is Empire
Wilgy is Hutt and Dom is Empire

It's possible that we still have two Empire left (Palpatine and Tarkin). The fact that Wilgy has admitted that those PMs came from him and not some shady force, rolling around forcing votes and sending bullshit PMs is another tick to him looking good. Faraday claimed Tuskan (by proxy) and he seemed to come around to the fact that Wilgy was his teammate.

I have a pretty strong rationalisation that Matt is Lando based on his voting record and it being an explanation for not believing that I was force voted (he thinks I am trying to claim to be Lando). I could be wrong, and his belief could be stemming from having the ability to force vote and not targeting me, meaning that my forced vote came from someone else or redirected from someone else to me. If it's not one of these two reasons then I've got no idea why he thinks I'm lying about it.

One of them has to be bad, so I have to be wrong about one of them. Because there are obviously at least two scum left (Tarkin/Palpatine and Crumb), possibly 3 though if there were 3 Empire alive today they surely would have rallied and voted the same way securing the game as it would have been lylo with their kill coming up. Either way, they both seem to be other roles. You are far more likely to be one of the last bad guys than them.

I think the first of my options is most likely. That being Dom as Crumb and Matt as Empire. I just hope Wilgy isn't also Empire. Or, that somehow I've been wrong about the Jawas the whole time, but I think they've both soft claimed each other as teammies in the thread now and Golden made it pretty clear I think.

Epi quoted my post and said that he overlooked sending me the PM saying I was cured of poison effects. I got the PM while I was asleep between asking Wilgy why I was still poisoned and telling the thread. No confusion on my part.

Wow that's good. Means that there's still an Empire scum out there though, hell maybe 2? Maybe the Hutts never hit any of them! Zebra what if Llama wasn't Empire! Egads! And Wilgy just voted for Daisy when he really didn't have to so him being Empire is out the door and being Hutt is quite ... well not entirely impossible. Zebra did infer that poisoning people was a Crumb like role earlier in the game didn't she? Maybe Wilgy is Crumb and Dom is Daisy's Empire bretheren? So many possibilities.

Well, still big good stuff right there.

When did you poison him?

Assuming I don't get wagoned here I am gonna try to buy Lando's vote tonight. Russ, Niju you two should have lots of money from your Jawa sales so you should try too, and make sure that he votes for Dom tomorrow. If we lynch Daisy today and she flips Empire and is the last one, Dom will acquire the kill. Being likely to be a Hutt he probably has money too, so he might have the vote reduction machine which could take 3 votes off himself. With just Matt, Wilgy and one of us three left it would be important as fuck that everyone votes for Dom tomorrow on the off chance that he does because he would only get lynched 1 vote to 0 in that case.

Similarly it's important that everyone votes the same way today. Wilgy, Russ, Niju you should vote for Spacedaisy in case it is her that has the machine.

Wilgy have you poisoned anyone else and not cured them? If you have not, I implore you to poison Dom tonight if you are able.

Taking out Wilgy's Tuskan partner is also quite a tactical move for a solo scum to make to clean up options at lylo, and so would be lynching one of the Jawas here. If it gets down to it teammates will vote together to win so taking out indy teammates makes it harder for the non scum to vote together. I would guess Matt's vote was bought by a bad guy, probably the same one that killed Faraday. Which all sounds very tactical. Very Dommy.

Russtifinko wrote:Dang, the poll ends during a huge game for the Bengals.

I may vote Matt. I could also vote other people, though.

Yeah but I don't think he necessarily chose to vote for Niju. I am pretty confident that he is Lando or at the very least is a scum soft claiming Lando (highly unlikely).

"I believe he is Lando Calrissian based on the fact that he believes I am lying about my forced vote. He's done similar things before where he mistakes things for role claims. I think he thinks I am claiming his role. When in actuality (and I'm sure most agree) there are actually other quite obvious instances of force voting in this game. Matt seems to believe I am lying about being force voted, but he hasn't voted for me much (if at all), because I think he puts his vote up for sale so he can't actually choose who he is voting for hence voting for people like Niju and Bass randomly."

Russ - Jawa
Niju - Jawa
Wilgy - Tuskan

Russ and Niju are both basically cross claiming by not disputing the read. This coupled with the dead Jawa's legacy makes me sure of them. Wilgy could be just a bad guy sending fake messages I guess... but Faraday seemed to be okay with him towards the end so yeah. I am pretty happy that all three of these are sorted.

Dom - Possible Hutt partner. I had a few pings around that ages ago but preferred other candidates that were proven wrong. His vote was absent on the day that Zebra, Brian and Enrique (all dead confirmed Hutt) were the candidates. That's not alignment indicative but it's strange as it was the only day he no voted. He could have also been silenced. If there are any of the four remaining who Zebra's last movements made look civilian it would be Dom and myself.

Matt - I believe he is Lando Calrissian based on the fact that he believes I am lying about my forced vote. He's done similar things before where he mistakes things for role claims. I think he thinks I am claiming his role. When in actuality (and I'm sure most agree) there are actually other quite obvious instances of force voting in this game. Matt seems to believe I am lying about being force voted, but he hasn't voted for me much (if at all), because I think he puts his vote up for sale so he can't actually choose who he is voting for hence voting for people like Niju and Bass randomly.

Daisy - Glorfindel and Daisy have been suspects all game. MP is evidently notorious for distancing so his insistent voting of Glorfindel and Daisy is (apparently) reflective of scum MP. Aside from that I sensed the sort of mafia panic in Spacedaisy when she was close to being lynched, the day she started personally insulting me (no hard feelings haha) didn't feel to me like a civilian (especially a replace in civilian) desperate to survive. Look at every other non Mafia lynch. Rarely did our civilians buck much. Spacedaisy reacted very angry. Like the last of a scum team would.

Mac - Golden had a scum read on me. He based it on the fact that he thought I was leading the town down wrong paths incorrectly, which since his demise has only made me look worse tbh haha. Aside from Matt saying I'm lying when I wasn't I haven't seen much else accusational towards me. I guess me being alive still is weird.

If we lynch Daisy today and we don't land a bad guy, it'll be terribly unfortunate. Dom is pretty likely to be the last Hutt at this point. Especially when you factor in his choice of kills. Me going around him day after day is a reason to leave me alive, whereas DFaraday I believe is someone who Dom has played with and considers quite capable so taking him out is a tactical move for a guy like Dom. Matt would almost have surely taken me out by now if he was bad.

Spacedaisy + Dom are all that's left I think, with a small chance of DrWilgy's poison PMs being Empire trickery.

Oh Wilgy hasn't actually voted. That is good.

The bads are between Matt, Dom and Daisy. At least 2 of the 3. Matt tossed his vote away like a weirdo. Daisy for vote.

Votes are all on indys. Great.

I am cured now. They sent me the PM late.

I'm still not cured Wilgy. So now I will get lynched today unless everybody votes the same way against another player. Seems pretty fucked that you just somehow didn't cure me.

I dunno.

I don't really have any? I think she is bad still but I am the wrongest guy ever.

So...

Bass was just killed by Empire and we have no Hutt's been defeated message. So I guess Bass was a civ too.

Not bothering to respond to Spacedaisy's case on you.

Not giving a reason for voting me.

If you are a civilian.

Why!?

Bass voted Zebra many times and did bang on about her all game. To which Zebra was unusually unreactive to. It is possible.

Bubbles could be Empire. If Bubbles flips Empire I would be open to the possibility that Bass is the Hutt. I do think we will get a bad guy with this Bubbles flip either way. I am strongly considering the possibility that Bubbles and Bass are the only scum left and could be on either team.

If an Empire flip doesn't come with an associated team finished message it's going to be interesting. I wonder if it's possible that they are both Empire and Matt, Dom or even SD is actually a Hutt.

We shall see! I am feeling alright with quite a lot of indys alive that I am pretty sure of. Russ's silence on the Niju and he being Jawa read is very good news.

Spacedaisy wrote:What do you all think about Bass suddenly reappearing just as Zebra was kamikaze-ing it all up in here?

You made mention of this again today. Can you please quote the posts you are referring to?

Golden wrote:I genuinely don't know if I'll be back to this thread before day end. Chances are I will find a way, because I can't help myself. But I wouldn't want to find myself lynched without a legacy post, so here goes.

I've left breadcrumbs. Please use them! I'm ok being lynched right now because I think if I am everyone will do the right thing. I hope my faith in you all is not misplaced.

My role won't make it clear why I should have believed so strongly that Mac is Team Hutt. Please, don't let that deter you. I can't put this strongly enough. If I am lynched today, don't sleep on Mac any longer. Don't let him say 'sorry' and 'RIP' and 'I was wrong'. Mac is not wrong about me. Mac is deliberately crafting a story so that you see him as genuine and can't see how he could be on team Hutt. I beseech you not to buy it.

And, if I'm still alive, well... I hope it's because you all lynched Mac.

Rainbow as it currently stands

Town read

Canucklehead
MovingPictures07
nijuukyugou
Bubbles
Russtifinko
zebra
elohcin
sig

Slight town read

Matt
DF
BR
Dom

Neutral

DrWilgy
Bullzeye
Bass
Luke
Marmot

Slight bad

Roxy
Sorsha

bad

Mac
Daisy

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This post is why I read Nijuu as Jawa. He twice gave her a blue town read without speaking of or interacting with her at all.

Reminder that I have started the day with 3 votes on me.

Matt wrote:A few things, Mac...

Barring info, I have no idea how you could possibly know who I am. But dat's cool, I civ.

I think I know why you think I am lying, because I remember you being wrong in much the same way once before.

Now guys don't post all at once.

If we can lynch Bubbles and Bubbles flips Hutt, then in my mind that clears Dom of being bad, which is the basis of a lot of anxiety right now. Would like to do that if we could get some agreement.

Keeping in mind that I am poisoned, so basically any votes on me from here on in, or much more conjecture over who we lynch is going to end up in my lynch. My lynch = disaster for civ win con at this point. Dunno whether the indys care at this point but I'd encourage civs to stack votes on mine.

I'll also note that the last Hutt kill was Canucklehead, who had made posts not long beforehand suspecting Bubbles. If we have a lone Bubbles Hutt it stands to reason that self preservation killing would be the order of the day, rather than trying to play the bluff. Just get rid of the one who suspects makes sense for lone Bubbles.

The other thing that makes me confident in these indy reads is the slow pace of the game. If we had more civs than indys I expect we'd see more furious scum hunting. I think there are 3-4 civs alive and you've been seeing us post the most over the past couple of days (Matt, Dom, myself). Bass could go either way.

Linki:

I also analysed the voter patterns earlier in the game and had him as possible Hutt based on the fact that he voted for Zebra on the day Brian was lynched over her really early in the day but then failed to vote for Zebra on many subsequent days despite Zebra attracting significant lynch interest. It made me read it as a distancing vote, and not a genuine one, because if it were genuine I feel he'd have followed it up on other days. There's also an element of deduction to it. Tone is relevant. Why do you ask?

There's also a chance that you, Dom, are a Hutt, based on the fact that your vote for MP the day of the lynch swap and then the subsequent day looked like genuine attempts to get rid of someone you read as a bad guy (ergo not his teammate) and you only voted for Hutts on the day Enrique got wagoned hard and the day Zebra role revealed. Zebra also matter of factly called you bad many times which could have been her being a clever wifom Hutt. I notice you asked me "why" earlier but when I asked what you were asking you didn't answer, which also didn't sit well. If you're bad, you're Hutt... But I'm seeing you as fairly civ and at this point I kind of feel like I need to put a stake in the ground on some respects.

If the indy claims (and lack of disagreement from the players I've said are indy) is all true. Then we're potentially down to just me as a civ here. I strongly doubt that though. There could be anywhere from 2 to 4 bad guys left, but I'm beginning to think there may only be one from each team left right now. Luffy and Llama are both possible Empire killed by Hutts. We have 3 confirmed dead Hutts so the Hutts for sure are only 1 strong.

I'd say 1-2 Empire and 1 Hutt is what we're looking at. I'd be very surprised if no Empire have been night killed at all. Specifically with Zebra's claim re: Llama receiving information on MP being bad and ignoring it.

Dom - If he's a bad guy, he is playing well. I'd prefer not to think about it.

Matt - I think I have a good idea of who he is... and it's not a scum, but I could be wrong.

Bass - ... Who knows? Nothing to go on. The fact that he's alive in a game where the Empire have taken pleasure pot-shotting low content players is ... something?

Bubbles - Number 1 Hutt candidate.

Spacedaisy - Number 1 Empire candidate, but makes compelling arguments. Would love to see her amp up some scum hunting. She was very vocal in her defense but not very so in any kind of offense.

DFaraday - Tuskan - Very confident
Wilgy - Tuskan - Very confident

Russ - Jawa - Very confident
Niju - Jawa - Reasonably confident

If I am wrong about any of these indy claims I'd like to think the real indy or at least surviving partners would be pretty comfortable at this point correcting me. For instance, Russ do you refute that Niju is your partner? I'll take silence as confirmation.

Matt, I think I know why you think I'm lying about my MP vote. I was just straight up forced, I didn't offer my vote. Or perhaps I was not forced but tricked into thinking I was. Who knows what would have happened had I not done it? I'm not putting aside the possibility that it was a jedi mind trick, and being forced to vote MP on day 3, the timing, the way it happened. I don't think it was Empire who did it. I think it was a civ who did that. I don't think the Hutts had the ability. I wasn't offered money in that case, like I was with Roxy, which seemed more of a Hutt action.

But I do appreciate you keeping the suspicion on me. I think you're keeping me alive at this point.

Voting for Bubbles. I'm running out of ideas so if I'm wrong about this one I'm gonna have to basically throw out everything I've done and re-evaluate. I would hope that other civs/indys really put their thinking caps on today. Though the Indys likely just have a survival win-con hence the mass amounts of low effort. Attempting to not rock the boat etc.

Bubbles to me, is the most likely to be the final Hutt. His last post was meh. His reasoning for voting Faraday, who has very low chance of being lynched, "to remain consistent", sounds like a scum rationalisation for a vote and a particularly throw away one. Only put off by the fact that he sounds almost too obvious to be bad, but with Hutt NK coming up, I'd like to remove the Hutts if we can. Of course Emps will likely just get the kill if we do strike, but still be good to wash our hands of that team.

DFaraday = not Empire and has indy claimed. I'm inclined to consider him the person in this game I am most comfortable with.

Would love if DFaraday, Russ and Wilgy in particular made an effort at trying to find bad guys here.