The Syndicate

Ricochet wrote:Off the gut, I'd say two among bea, Mac and Matt.

MacDougall wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Nice try suckas! Good think I had my poochie with me

So I'm still thinking Mac and Matt, I'll look over everyone for good measure but I think those are our last two baddies.

If you want to vote Matt I will go with that. I think Matt and FZ are.

what. happened. to. bea.

where. did. Matt. suddenly. come. from.

Ask him when he came out of nowhere pushing cases on me after the last lynch poll.

Sorsha wrote:Nice try suckas! Good think I had my poochie with me

So I'm still thinking Mac and Matt, I'll look over everyone for good measure but I think those are our last two baddies.

If you want to vote Matt I will go with that. I think Matt and FZ are.

Okay that gives us a new lease on life then and sorsha confirmed civ?

bea wrote:I think it's possible that Mac drank some of my crazy juice.

At this point any one of us could be bad or civ. I'm honestly as unsure as everyone else.

I dunno man everybody else seems reasonably sure that I am bad hahaha.

FZ. wrote:I'm back but just for this post and I'm going to bed.
Mac, you claim I've seen you as good most of the game and suddenly I'm coming in with all that evidence. You saw me as a sure civvie only yesterday and now you see me as bad. You're talking about being a hypocrite? In the tiny chance you are not bad, which is really hard to see at the moment, I am worried about Bea and Matt who haven't contributed at all tonight.

I also scum read you earlier if you recall. You have pinged me in the past. You were civ reading me because you were using me to lead the defence of your teammates and trying to get me to lynch the other team.

Changing my vote to 4.

I gotta go live my life for a while.

a2thezebra wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Ricochet you're the one who has done ISOs. Can you see the possibility of an FZ, Matt, Motel, Wilgy team?

The ISOs would sadly reveal most, if not all, as potential Wilgy teamies. As for Matt, if he's bad, his drumming could make either perfect coasting or perfect distancing for any teamie of his. A few "Is Matt for reals" here and there and you can look both wary of him in both a genuine and bullsuited way. Truly the dark age for ISOing.

What about potential motel room teammates?

I believe both of them have had civ reads of me for almost the entire game and now both have come straight out during this night phase pulling no punches and suddenly have all this evidence against me.

MacDougall wrote:Ahhh epiphany... FZ and Matt are responsible for misleading me through scum role shenanigans and are now bringing out all the instances of me perpetuating their lies into the thread and have me on the ropes in the twelfth round. Very well played guys. They will sing songs of you in Mafia halls nationwide.

Sorry it was here.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MacDougall wrote:FZ and Matt. I think I figured it out but my reason for it is going to be too hard for anybody to believe so meh.

If you're not going to say it, then this is basically no reason.

Linki: actually Mac, it's pretty standard here for one mafia team to inherit the other's kill in a game like this.

I was saying of course not to FZ.

MacDougall wrote:FZ I don't need to convince you, I need to convince the remaining civilian who isn't killed tonight, whoever that may be. I am hoping it's bea. And I hope Metalmarsh flips a coin and chooses to vote the way I do. But I realise my situation is pretty much dire and congratulate the scum for tricking me so well.

I did say it Metalmarsh.

Ricochet you're the one who has done ISOs. Can you see the possibility of an FZ, Matt, Motel, Wilgy team?

Of course not.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MacDougall wrote:I'm not casting shade on you. I am saying that I don't believe you care about which alignment wins as much as you just want me not to win because I've been calling you on your bullshit the whole time.

There's yet another reason I'm not bad. Metalmarsh (assuming he doesn't die tonight) is going to have the swing vote being the neutral. Wouldn't the scum be sucking up to you hard right now?

That's a convenient suggestion since you are doing the opposite. :P

But no, I don't think they would be that obvious. Not unless they felt they had absolutely nothing else to get them a win, and they definitely wouldn't do it in the night phase, especially if for whatever reason their kill fails.

Okay well I'm all out of defenses then. Sorry I let y'all down civvies.

If you are the civilian you claim to be, and you admit that your alignment claims for other players are not accurate, I think you should reconsider your reads on Matt, Sorsha, and bea.

Assuming there are two baddies left, who do you think they are?

FZ and Matt. I think I figured it out but my reason for it is going to be too hard for anybody to believe so meh.

FZ. wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Ahhh epiphany... FZ and Matt are responsible for misleading me through scum role shenanigans and are now bringing out all the instances of me perpetuating their lies into the thread and have me on the ropes in the twelfth round. Very well played guys. They will sing songs of you in Mafia halls nationwide.

That's not very nice.

FZ I don't need to convince you, I need to convince the remaining civilian who isn't killed tonight, whoever that may be. I am hoping it's bea. And I hope Metalmarsh flips a coin and chooses to vote the way I do. But I realise my situation is pretty much dire and congratulate the scum for tricking me so well.

Ahhh epiphany... FZ and Matt are responsible for misleading me through scum role shenanigans and are now bringing out all the instances of me perpetuating their lies into the thread and have me on the ropes in the twelfth round. Very well played guys. They will sing songs of you in Mafia halls nationwide.

FZ. wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

FZ. wrote:

MacDougall wrote:FZ civilians can be wrong. If you are right now about me being bad that means that you were wrong the multiple times you civ read me earlier so to be right you'd need to have gone through the exact thing I've gone through. So don't be a hypocrite.

The difference is, you acted as if some night information that conveniently you can't discuss, helped you learn that Motel is civ, that I am one too, and so forth. Suddenly you're playing the "civvies can be wrong" card? How about civvies lying and making others believe they know something, and then saying the complete opposite?


linki: what MM said. You even made a plan for what will happen if MM comes out what he claims to be. Lynch Juliets

So you don't think MM is bad, just that he doesn't care who wins. You're not interested in lynching an actual baddie but rather rely on lynching MM, and all you can do to defend yourself is shrug. Yeah, nice job of convincing me you're good.

Where did I say we should lynch Metalmarsh?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MacDougall wrote:I'm not casting shade on you. I am saying that I don't believe you care about which alignment wins as much as you just want me not to win because I've been calling you on your bullshit the whole time.

There's yet another reason I'm not bad. Metalmarsh (assuming he doesn't die tonight) is going to have the swing vote being the neutral. Wouldn't the scum be sucking up to you hard right now?

That's a convenient suggestion since you are doing the opposite. :P

But no, I don't think they would be that obvious. Not unless they felt they had absolutely nothing else to get them a win, and they definitely wouldn't do it in the night phase, especially if for whatever reason their kill fails.

Okay well I'm all out of defenses then. Sorry I let y'all down civvies.

FZ. wrote:

MacDougall wrote:FZ civilians can be wrong. If you are right now about me being bad that means that you were wrong the multiple times you civ read me earlier so to be right you'd need to have gone through the exact thing I've gone through. So don't be a hypocrite.

The difference is, you acted as if some night information that conveniently you can't discuss, helped you learn that Motel is civ, that I am one too, and so forth. Suddenly you're playing the "civvies can be wrong" card? How about civvies lying and making others believe they know something, and then saying the complete opposite?


linki: what MM said. You even made a plan for what will happen if MM comes out what he claims to be. Lynch Juliets

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

FZ. wrote:I'm just going to leave this out here for your enjoyment:

MacDougall wrote:

Sorsha wrote:By asking you and Matthew questions I did I am trying to get a handle on the situation. And you're going to refuse to answer?

Lol I'm not refusing I just want your opinions.

Fine but if you don't follow it up I will shake my fist at you.

Here's where I'm at...

I believe I have deduced the civilian alignment of all but two players. Juliets and Metalmarsh. I can't elaborate on how but I can say that the one I am most certain of is Motel Room, especially in light of how yesterday went down. I am quite sure of Matt and FZ and by extension you. Bea, despite being wrong about Wilgy, I am sure is civilian because of LC related reasons. That one he definitely got right, he must have. I don't believe that there are 2 scum left. I believe there is 1. 2 wouldn't make any sense mathematically. I believe that it is far more likely to be Metalmarsh.

If I am wrong about the Marmot, juliets must be lynched tomorrow. I will be the most likely to be killed tonight if the game doesn't end with a Marmot lynch. If he is not the last bad guy it is without doubt juliets. Look back at her interactions with Zebra if you need to find a case but tbh it's primarily from deduction.

Linki: Lol there you go.

Do you think, that as scum, I would make such a gloriously incorrect post when I would at that point actually KNOW every single thing?

I think this post is about the civviest post in the game. So thanks for posting it.

If you expected me to get lynched instead of motel room, then absolutely yes I think you would.

Well I did expect that to happen, on account of you having the most votes on the poll. I cannot argue with that.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:It's Night 10. Vote something and own the way you vote.

I've done this much at least.

Metalmarsh are you trying to claim civ now? You don't have to pretend you have our best interests at heart. You have got to the point where you're most likely to just win with either side so you should just stop pissing in our pocket.

You tried to lynch me yesterday, and motel room, the counter lynch, you claimed was civ, flipped bad instead. Why the F are you still trying to cast shade on me?

Bring me an actual case please instead of pushing the fact that I'm neutral/Indy as if nobody has known at all this entire game.

I'm not casting shade on you. I am saying that I don't believe you care about which alignment wins as much as you just want me not to win because I've been calling you on your bullshit the whole time.

There's yet another reason I'm not bad. Metalmarsh (assuming he doesn't die tonight) is going to have the swing vote being the neutral. Wouldn't the scum be sucking up to you hard right now?

FZ. wrote:I'm just going to leave this out here for your enjoyment:

MacDougall wrote:

Sorsha wrote:By asking you and Matthew questions I did I am trying to get a handle on the situation. And you're going to refuse to answer?

Lol I'm not refusing I just want your opinions.

Fine but if you don't follow it up I will shake my fist at you.

Here's where I'm at...

I believe I have deduced the civilian alignment of all but two players. Juliets and Metalmarsh. I can't elaborate on how but I can say that the one I am most certain of is Motel Room, especially in light of how yesterday went down. I am quite sure of Matt and FZ and by extension you. Bea, despite being wrong about Wilgy, I am sure is civilian because of LC related reasons. That one he definitely got right, he must have. I don't believe that there are 2 scum left. I believe there is 1. 2 wouldn't make any sense mathematically. I believe that it is far more likely to be Metalmarsh.

If I am wrong about the Marmot, juliets must be lynched tomorrow. I will be the most likely to be killed tonight if the game doesn't end with a Marmot lynch. If he is not the last bad guy it is without doubt juliets. Look back at her interactions with Zebra if you need to find a case but tbh it's primarily from deduction.

Linki: Lol there you go.

Do you think, that as scum, I would make such a gloriously incorrect post when I would at that point actually KNOW every single thing?

I think this post is about the civviest post in the game. So thanks for posting it.

FZ civilians can be wrong. If you are right now about me being bad that means that you were wrong the multiple times you civ read me earlier so to be right you'd need to have gone through the exact thing I've gone through. So don't be a hypocrite.

Metalmarsh the unlynchable neutral is a civ friendly role.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:It's Night 10. Vote something and own the way you vote.

I've done this much at least.

Metalmarsh are you trying to claim civ now? You don't have to pretend you have our best interests at heart. You have got to the point where you're most likely to just win with either side so you should just stop pissing in our pocket.

FZ. wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Yeah I have just been voting randomly the entire game. I've just been, you know, finding bad guys.

Remind me again, why the person you said yesterday you were most sure was civ was motel room?

Why do you keep asking questions that you know I cannot answer?

Yeah I have just been voting randomly the entire game. I've just been, you know, finding bad guys.

Sorsha just don't vote at all. Leave this beautiful tie in honour of me.

If it weren't me in the situation, I would say that it's just as likely that those that voted for Motel Room and/or Wilgy on days that their lynches didn't occur when they should have, whose votes appeared haphazard, are more likely to be scum than the person who unwittingly was hard defending a revealed scum in the thread. The fact that Motel Room voted for Wilgy himself lends credence to the fact that their team had history of voting for one another. It is possible they were doing it continuously throughout the game. But as a defense it's too wifom so I will leave that unsaid. Oh wait I accidentally hit submit.

Ricochet wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Lol FZ vote for the option with no votes for it. Maybe the world will end.

Uh are you seeing things mate? You ok?

I don't really understand the positions mechanisms. I haven't even really thought much about them the entire game tbh.

FZ. wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

FZ. wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

FZ. wrote:LOL, okay then. Let the other civvies, whoever they are, make their decision. Mac, your game throughout the game has been crazy. You've made some very poor judgements, and I'm not talking about lynching civvies or whatever. I'm talking about the way you played which can't be civvie oriented. I seriously have no idea why you did it. I don't know why you're going the crazy way now either. Maybe it's because you realize you've slipped with all your lies and "knowledge", but if anyone is going to buy me being bad, I really won't know what else to say.

I think the evidence speaks for itself.

You should really stop criticizing the way other people play the game FZ it's not very nice.

I'm sorry and apologize. I just really hate it when baddies let the civvies fight among themselves and don't bother to post. I get that RL can sometimes affect the way you play. People are allowed to be busy, but a. I'd expect them to not appear only when they're about to be lynched, because that to me proves they are lurking and not really busy, and b. I expect them to tell us that RL is preventing them from playing. Motel room never even said anything about why he isn't posting anything. He just lurked. I don't think that's a championship style. I at least stand behind my words. The only real baddie game I've played here is Pikmin and I gave it everything I have. I'm sorry I expect others what I expect of myself.

What are you even talking about? I am referring to the fact that you said I have made "very poor judgements" when I suspected DharmaHelper (almost exclusively), Draconus, Lorab and Zebra. The fact that I have been wrong about a couple of things isn't a reason to say such things about my game here. I've put in a very good civvie game with lots of effort. I just happened to be wrong about two players. Sorry I don't have the benefit of knowing who everyone is I can only go by what I do know as best as I can.

I meant the parts where you brought the lynch to a tie just for the sake of amusement, or what you're doing now, which is saying you know I'm good one minute, and then saying you're sure I'm bad the next. I specifically said I wasn't talking about the mistakes because we've all made some.

linki: See? This is what I mean. I ask you a serious question, and you insist on being sarcastic. If you wanted the civvies to win, you would really try to help at this stage. Unless you had a win condition that you can't fulfil or something. If you're not bad, it would still be nice of you to not try to sabotage things for us.

FZ I was not being sarcastic. I was seriously suggesting that you literally meditate on the exact question you asked me because perhaps you will find the answer.

You asked me a question that I cannot answer.

Lynching me tomorrow would most certainly cost the civilians the game. Ergo I am going to continue to defend myself from things that I really cannot to any great effect.

I defended Wilgy because I thought LC was right about him, he wasn't.

I defended Motel Room because I thought I was right about him, I wasn't.

I can see arguments for and against every player left. All the scenarios I thought were possible have been proven wrong. Therefore every possible scenario is on the table.

If you think I would hard defend scum teammates the way I defended Motel Room and Wilgy, you are saying that MacDougall is simple. Do I seem simple?

My greatest misfortune is that I appear to have exclusively found the scum from one time while the other pulled the wool over my eyes entirely, possibly intentionally.

FZ. wrote:

MacDougall wrote:I'm not a baddie.

Then why do you insist on making no sense with your suspicions?

That's a good question. Perhaps you should meditate on it.

FZ. wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

FZ. wrote:LOL, okay then. Let the other civvies, whoever they are, make their decision. Mac, your game throughout the game has been crazy. You've made some very poor judgements, and I'm not talking about lynching civvies or whatever. I'm talking about the way you played which can't be civvie oriented. I seriously have no idea why you did it. I don't know why you're going the crazy way now either. Maybe it's because you realize you've slipped with all your lies and "knowledge", but if anyone is going to buy me being bad, I really won't know what else to say.

I think the evidence speaks for itself.

You should really stop criticizing the way other people play the game FZ it's not very nice.

I'm sorry and apologize. I just really hate it when baddies let the civvies fight among themselves and don't bother to post. I get that RL can sometimes affect the way you play. People are allowed to be busy, but a. I'd expect them to not appear only when they're about to be lynched, because that to me proves they are lurking and not really busy, and b. I expect them to tell us that RL is preventing them from playing. Motel room never even said anything about why he isn't posting anything. He just lurked. I don't think that's a championship style. I at least stand behind my words. The only real baddie game I've played here is Pikmin and I gave it everything I have. I'm sorry I expect others what I expect of myself.

What are you even talking about? I am referring to the fact that you said I have made "very poor judgements" when I suspected DharmaHelper (almost exclusively), Draconus, Lorab and Zebra. The fact that I have been wrong about a couple of things isn't a reason to say such things about my game here. I've put in a very good civvie game with lots of effort. I just happened to be wrong about two players. Sorry I don't have the benefit of knowing who everyone is I can only go by what I do know as best as I can.

Lol FZ vote for the option with no votes for it. Maybe the world will end.

Ricochet wrote:

MacDougall wrote:I'm not a baddie.

I've no idea what you are, frankly.

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Also, 1h and a half to go and poll has only four votes, one a piece? Seriously?

What does it matter?

I'm not a baddie.

FZ. wrote:LOL, okay then. Let the other civvies, whoever they are, make their decision. Mac, your game throughout the game has been crazy. You've made some very poor judgements, and I'm not talking about lynching civvies or whatever. I'm talking about the way you played which can't be civvie oriented. I seriously have no idea why you did it. I don't know why you're going the crazy way now either. Maybe it's because you realize you've slipped with all your lies and "knowledge", but if anyone is going to buy me being bad, I really won't know what else to say.

I think the evidence speaks for itself.

You should really stop criticizing the way other people play the game FZ it's not very nice.

TBH we're in a situation where Marmot is going to decide the game anyway. So fuck it who cares.

Ricochet wrote:Idk, gut right now tells me to go with lynching Mac. If I were really having info or the slightest bit of perspective on who's who, at this crucial stage, I'd hold on with my teeth on getting my message out there and convincing everyone I need on my side - which I actually did once; it was called Talking Heads - not play these chaotic mind-flips and tricks.

I don't really care about what any of you have to say because FZ is scum, Marmot is an indy that is fooling the Zombie and Rico can't even vote.

Matt and/or bea, whichever the other of you is a civ you need to vote FZ with me.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Speaking of that, though:

MM are you still a neutral,
unlikely to win,
who wouldn't mess with the civs' however meagre odds to win in any way?

Or did any of those three parameters varied in the slightest since we last spoke?

Yes to the first bit.
Don't know to the second bit (depends how many baddies are left).
I'm pro baddie-lynchin' and civvie-winnin'.

No you're not.

FZ. wrote:Mac, you're still going to go for MM? Really?

Yep, he's clearly indy and we should lynch him.

Ricochet wrote:Speaking of that, though:

MM are you still a neutral,
unlikely to win,
who wouldn't mess with the civs' however meagre odds to win in any way?

Or did any of those three parameters varied in the slightest since we last spoke?

Yeah he's gonna answer that honestly good one Rico.

Ricochet wrote:

MacDougall wrote:[gambit]I am neutral and unlikely to win so don't lynch me. [/gambit]

Wtf you're now back on suss'ing MM?

Is your role literally to spin a wheel of fortune for your suspects, every 2 hours?

I was joking fool.

[gambit]I am neutral and unlikely to win so don't lynch me. [/gambit]

FZ. wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Okay FZ everything you just said sounds great so I guess you're not bad.

So mathematically *counts on fingers* that means that ... there are no scum left and the mods forgot to end the game.

Why the change of mind? What made you say I'm good last day, say I'm bad this day, and go back to me being good right now? Man, you're confusing the heck out of me.

Well I read what you had to say in response to my suspecting you and I thought it was just great.

Ricochet wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Okay FZ everything you just said sounds great so I guess you're not bad.

So mathematically *counts on fingers* that means that ... there are no scum left and the mods forgot to end the game.

Five others left, tho. Why bea and FZ. and not Matt and Sorsha? Or a mix of that?

Matt and Sorsha are heaps pro civ.

I don't know what that means.

Take out the heaps pro bit.

Ricochet wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Okay FZ everything you just said sounds great so I guess you're not bad.

So mathematically *counts on fingers* that means that ... there are no scum left and the mods forgot to end the game.

Five others left, tho. Why bea and FZ. and not Matt and Sorsha? Or a mix of that?

Matt and Sorsha are heaps pro civ.