The Syndicate

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MacDougall wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'd like to know if anyone among llama, Mac, and Snapshot had information on me.
I just had a gut read (and also I was part trolling you tbh) and I seriously couldn't get a spare moment to really search for a way to case you. The day that I started to I got lynched.

Fun game though nonetheless. I had purged you the night before I got lynched so you were pretty close to lynched that day I think.
This lynch came very close to happening.

How close we talkin here?

Man... if he had have got lynched that day the cards would have fallen into place perfectly. Lucky for the baddies they managed to get some lazy votes on me at the end there.

Thanks for the invite Epignosis. I may have only used the ability twice but it was on Camerata both times at least.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'd like to know if anyone among llama, Mac, and Snapshot had information on me.

I just had a gut read (and also I was part trolling you tbh) and I seriously couldn't get a spare moment to really search for a way to case you. The day that I started to I got lynched.

Fun game though nonetheless. I had purged you the night before I got lynched so you were pretty close to lynched that day I think.

Sorry I couldn't contribute more

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Drawing a ridiculous analogy like your jogging thing. If a guy comes after you when bad, sometimes it is pertinent to kill them. Like when you are reaching end game and need to get rid of them. You have two players on you all game. You have to start killing them. So you kill one and you distance the other and hope they stay absent and non contributory like I have been. You kill Llama then you come out with fresh cases. It is a solid plan and makes perfect sense. For you to try to argue that the action would not be rational is a huge tell.
You've re-drawn your own assertion into a different image and attacked my analogy with the new image. This is wordplay, and I doubt you're overlooking critical factors by mistake. The analogy was based upon the premise you presented to me, that I am employing some specific baddie strategy which relies upon you changing your mind about me.

What I did was reassess the game in a very late phase and present new ideas as necessary to explore the game from a different perspective. Townies literally must do this in a situation like this to facilitate the highest probability of making the right lynch decision instead of relying solely on prior reads until the buzzer sounds. You've equated this basic concept to "JJJ is trying to change my mind about him", which is a logically dubious assertion. It's made even more dubious when you consider the llama kill, which you've attributed to me. You're telling me that I hoped to get you change your mind about me, and that one step I took toward that objective was to kill the person whose reads seemed best aligned with your own. This is where my analogy comes from.

MacDougall wrote:Also my scum read came before his iirc.
Let's return to your grand entrance into this game thread. Your third post:

MacDougall wrote:I have yet to scratch my taint and I have someone asking me who I will vote for.

At face value I agree with your sentiment though. ISOing everyone on day 2 is usually lame.
This was a response to llama, who had just spent a few posts loudly voicing his distrust for me. Now you're rejecting the assertion that you rode llama's coattails based upon a demonstrably false claim -- that your suspicion of me came before his.

MacDougall wrote:And your argument that me not being provoked by your apparently town tactic is a scumtell actually flies in the face of your own point for having done that you scumtard.
No. One of the possible results of provocation is a non-response. This alone wouldn't necessarily be a big issue, but it becomes more suspicious when it is explained with "you were trying to provoke me, I'm not falling into your game". That implies that town!you doesn't see any possible value in provocation as a town-minded maneuver and thus refuses to honor it entirely -- this is not a mindset I would ever associate with MacDougall, the most provocative player in RYM lore. Shit, I learned that kind of methodology from you more than anyone else.

Now you're just using longwinded verbose language to discourage other people from reading my post.

I have made 1 post in this game when I had time to sit there and think. I am trying to contribute as best I can.

I didn't say you knew my personal experience nor did what I say infer you had to. Defensive for no reason.

Drawing a ridiculous analogy like your jogging thing. If a guy comes after you when bad, sometimes it is pertinent to kill them. Like when you are reaching end game and need to get rid of them. You have two players on you all game. You have to start killing them. So you kill one and you distance the other and hope they stay absent and non contributory like I have been. You kill Llama then you come out with fresh cases. It is a solid plan and makes perfect sense. For you to try to argue that the action would not be rational is a huge tell.

Also my scum read came before his iirc.

And your argument that me not being provoked by your apparently town tactic is a scumtell actually flies in the face of your own point for having done that you scumtard.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Man this game is dead.

Whenenver y'all show up, I ask that you please do not place your votes until we've been able to have a discussion. It's a crucial phase obviously and we need to work together. If time is tight, then make your concerns heard tonight so they can be addressed well before tomorrow's deadline.

Look.

I have played almost all this game on my phone at red lights. I left my job and started a new one during this game, that I started as a late replacement. You know better than to carry me through as your major scum read based on how I have played because it should be obvious to you that I have been not entirely present. I don't believe that you have been genuine in your reads of me as nothing I have done has amounted to worthy of suspicion, hence why I've not been lynched. Even those who know me better haven't got enough suspicion of me to start a wagon rolling.

You killed Llama last night because you know if Llama and me remain around at crucial end game stage we're going to vote you out, and you came out today and changed your fake reads to try to shake me off my suspicion of you so you can finish the job and kill me tonight.

Asking me to reply to that randomly selected comment. There is nothing in that comment I can reply to. You called my day 6 "abysmal". There was nothing more or less abysmal about my day 6 than any other day. You were trying to provoke me and my failure to act on that provocation is the only reason you asked me to reply to it. I will not reply to it because I cannot. There is nothing in there that provokes discussion, only aggression and I won't fall into your game.

About what?

As I suspected... gleam was a civ all along and JJJ continues not to be one.

Jimmy is process imo. 7 out of 10 times.

Yeh but the cases against me and Llama amount to... Jimmy is butthurt.

I would have voted for you but unfortunately you have the masses fooled as usual.

DrumBeats wrote:I'm going to be gone at the update, but it seems nobody wants to lynch an element today. Only fair ig since mafia didn't kill one. I'll be voting gleam as well for aforementioned reasons.

So your desparation to element lynch is false

A vote for me is vote against freedom

Why don't you tell us who the process is since you just found out.

Wellety wellety...

That's not true. I have made a watertight case against him.

I actually have no idea what is happening in this game. Other than Jimmy being a baddie.

I think it is strange that you would say that to me considering you voted for me. The inconsistency makes me think your offer is fairly self serving.

Or he wants you to think that. And has sent his minion to sew bs.

Pipe down Faraday

Okay I quit my job so I am ready to kill you all

DFaraday wrote:It's almost like Mac wants to get lynched.

How so?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Here is a curly one..

After what Jamesthebob said at the end of the phase the only reason he had to vote for mp over me or llama was because he knew he was mafia and if he voted fot us he was votin town. He knows me well enough to be able to see the civ. He talkin boogers. That was a busserooni. Bank that.
This is crap. That I voted for MP over you or llama should not be hard to understand given the progression of the day phase and the discussions I had fielded with DrumBeats and Snapshot, not to mention MP himself. That's not to mention the self-preservation necessity of voting for someone who'd be a likely lynch while I was tied for the lead in the tally. These are plainly visible factors that you've neglected to acknowledge because they don't fit the narrative you're trying to promote.

If you're not talking boogers, then articulate why you suspect me in clear terms instead of unsupported one-liner nonsense. I know MacDougall isn't always above playing a lazy game, but I am completely unwilling to accept that excuse in a late phase when the game is on the line. I struggle to believe that a Mac who genuinely suspects a JJJ with the game on the line is going to settle for this kind of non-effort to pursue a lynch. Just dropping a vote in the thread and saying "Go!" at this point in the game is not town behavior from anybody.

Yes it is

Here is a curly one..

After what Jamesthebob said at the end of the phase the only reason he had to vote for mp over me or llama was because he knew he was mafia and if he voted fot us he was votin town. He knows me well enough to be able to see the civ. He talkin boogers. That was a busserooni. Bank that.

Fyi Jay and Silent Film. The latter is MP I was saying they are maphia together. 1 down... JamesMcScum to go.

Jay and Silent Film 2

SOUND THE JIMMY ALARM

KILL ALL JIMMYS KILL ALL JIMMYS

I am with scotty. Down with homework.

Yeah die you random thing

Let's lynch one and see what falls out.

I regret nothing

I am suspicious of you all

I too am voting for the hazlenut spread.

Wilgy is dead.

Matt is dead.

He thought I was bad.

He thought nutellex was bad.

My recent Mafia games I played a straight bat by killing those who suspect me.

I suggest a possibility that someone aware of this part of my game is responsible for their deaths with a view to framing me.

Someone very conscious indeed. I will weigh up the possible contenders maybe soon or maybe I will forget.

Snapshot wrote:re//
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MacDougall wrote:I'm bad and need to be voted on. I'm not contributing and should be lynched. Sadly I am not on the poll.

You are dirt.

nutella wrote:
MacDougall wrote:I just placed 10 random posts in browser tabs and read them for sincerity and a post by nutella came up the worst. So let's lynch that person.
what does this mean

It means I surface read one of your posts as insincere.

Because as I said, being a 'discussion steerer' as Llama said is suspicious without needing a specific post to reference and you could be playing odds to the fact that he has no specific evidence with a view to turning that into a case on him even though you agree that getting suspect of high vol players isn't a bad thing.

Better would have been to not question him over that since he doesn't need a reason, by your own logic.

Notwithstanding that I am just shuffling papers here and it really just means that nothing the three of us have said is really scummy at all. I just think you're a policy lynch.

Nutella though.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
thellama73 wrote:I still feel good about Wilgy and McDougall. I still feel bad about JJJ. He is a discussion steerer. MP is probably okay.

Sorry for not being more active, lads. Been busy with other things.
Yes, I am a discussion steerer. I steer discussions. Why is that bad? We've discussed at least once I believe outside this game how I feel a townie can be more productive from a position of leadership, and I like to lead through my analysis and the generation of content -- that often implies I am steering the game thread in some way or another. That doesn't mean I am restricting other players to doing what I say or to voting only for those I suspect, it means I am facilitating conversation. Point to a specific example in this game of me "steering discussion" in such a way that you believe my motives to be insincere.

It's not why is that bad, the question is how CAN that be bad. The answer is, it can be bad because having the primary influencer in the game steering discussion from the central position has a "hiding in plain sight effect." Now, you know this right.

I was not really very suspicious of you for what you are doing as much as I am always concerned about supertown Jimmy not being town. Forget the silly posts I've made, but this is a fair thing to be cautious about and I am sure when you see me supertowning away a part of you remains forever skeptical no matter what I am actually saying. It's always a prevailing concern with a player taking the dominant position.

A recent example of supertown Jimmy doing exactly what I fear he is doing here, was in the RYM game I played last. You won that game with your scum team with minimal casualties after I got mislynched for playing like a fool and fake claiming scum remember? You were playing that game just like this one. You also have played many civ games just like this one. So, in and of itself, the behaviour is not suspicion worthy, much less lynch worthy.

However, the post I am replying to overlooks this point completely. The way you structure your argument overlooks the fact that what you are doing is suspicious on merit and you are asking your adversary to do something you know is likely to trip them up. It's manipulative.

I just placed 10 random posts in browser tabs and read them for sincerity and a post by nutella came up the worst. So let's lynch that person.

I am a late replacement coming in off a hiatus, my lack of input is not meta definitive. In fact for the one person here who knows my meta well he has literally seen this (and commented in previous games about it), and yet I have seen him suggest I am suspicious (JimmyMcJamesMahBoy of course).

Anybody trying to push the narrative that I am bad because I am "dead, but not here" or whatever such flowery prose used should be looked at in a harsh light. It is lazy, mafiaesque straw clutching. Nobody is ever bad BECAUSE of this, incidentally sure... but not because of it.

OMGUS aside... I have nothing to report because I have not analysed much of the game and every time I make the most remote of scum reads they die (Matt, Wilgy). So what we have here is coincidence, or someone is trying to play a long game of discredit against your pal MacDougall.

Wilgy is dead mate

Probs would have voted for Wilgy tbh.

I can confirm that I have no idea who to vote for.

However I know my Jimmy's and this one here is too helpful. He is pond.

As a civ I feel I have an obligation to the civilians to not be lynched and I feel the best way to achieve this is to do nothing whatsoever.

I am also sorry for missing the vote. I am an agent of chaos and I felt it was my duty to do so.

Wilgy... r u gud

Scotty... that dastardly one.

Can someone give me a bone to chew on here... A lead to mull over. A pigs ear. A cold pint?

Scan me scan me

Illyria defended Elohcin huh? Sucks to be me.

I actually ain't looked at the middle few pages of le game. All I know for absolute certainty is that I am town as fuck. You can take it to the bank. I swear it... on the old Gods and the new.

I find it humerous that Wilgy said I was a civ after I accused him, justified it (proving it wasn't a joke) and now says I am bad because of Eloflip. How many others voted elsewhere yesterday or went around the Elochat completely who Wilgy didn't have a civ read on? I wonder where on his radar I would be if Matt hadn't suggested lynching me.

Jimmy didn't elaborate on my vote either... an interesting thing to overlook during his effort posting. Just throws out there that it doesn't inspire him but doesn't say why.

It's a ruse. A trap.

DrWilgy wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Does this mean you are you going to kill me Darth?
Prolly.

That's uncool

Eliminate this man

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