The Syndicate

mansnicks wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:59 pm Gg

I'd want to ask for criticism and suggestions on my play, but I can't really do that when I don't even read 50% of D1. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@hollowkatt you're the only player that I know who's different inside the game than outside. Why?

thats very common lol.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:07 pm Well played, mafia. I was sweating bullets there in the end that I made the wrong call. How did you get to lolcat my shot?

you played crazy well

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:07 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:06 pm jesus christ Alison lol

What? I tried my best.

... you did great. It was a complimentary jesus christ.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:06 pm Well it seems like my play was pretty alpha male this game wasn't it?

Or at least, you know.

Up until I targeted the claimed PGO.

yes your reads were awesome guy

jesus christ Alison lol

@Guillotine hammer reached

fine

[VOTE: alison] aubergine

ok Scotty and Alison cross voted.

Uh I don't even know if Scotty has voted?

@hollowkatt what are you gonna do?

are you even voting Scotty?

So you're telling me you had no idea she was going to start catting?

im hammering scotty

Mafia wins upon reaching parity to town and all other threats to their survival are dead.

If the day began with 3 mafia but town Scotty holding 2 real guns it plays out.

Is it possible that we still actually have 2 scum left? There are so many negative abilities that have flown around that remain unaccounted for by flip? Like maybe the game would have ended if you didn't have guns and this whole day has been contingent on you shooting accurately?

n2 card shenanigans
armorsmith (confirmed to exist ... can be either alignment)
weaponizer (confirmed to exist)
negative gunsmith
fake soup/gambit maker?

It makes sense that the same person who gave me the gun then weaponised it in order to make me shoot it. That is a common guillo joat set. Hasn't flipped. So either that is a mafia alive or that wolf flipped showing other abilities.

Maybe your second gun is of that variety? Is that possible?

Afaik nobody else has received armor ever except me on n1. It came as a card and not mod note. Maybe an unflipped card says something like "10% chance who you target receives a bp vest"?

Same person as the gunsmith has that card maybe?

Gunsmith/weaponiser flavour doesn't make sense to be the card shenanigans person. That role doesn't necessarily have to be mafia tho. Maybe Alison did that?

Maybe just maybe Dolby is just a wolf gunsmith/weaponiser and holds the soup?

Some townie uses mansnicks role to give Seanzie/Mac a gun n1? Wolf gives the other one a dud gun... my gun? Wolf weaponises me d2. Same wolf?

I don't think Dolby is the right person to shoot man.

Like Dolby's role is at least somewhat confirmed. Alison is entirely unclaimed.

Oh fuck there is also the weaponise that hasn't been considered. Which I got hit with on d2 after I got the gun but I had already fired when I was alerted of it.

Dolby also claimed a gun and said he baited the weaponise.

So that's another unflipped scum ability.

Nah I just reread. My vest came as an actual red card with a vest graphic and it specifically says its bp and protects me from 1 kill.

The gun wasn't a card.

So that's weird.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 11:06 am

mansnicks has been eliminated

He was Town

As Town Jack Of All Trades, you have access to one or more night actions. Don't have to use in any specific order.

x3 RocketKnight
The RocketKnight may each night pass a gun to another player in the game. Guns received from the RocketKnight can only be fired during day phases and have a 50% chance of revealing the shooter.

x3 RocketKnight
The RocketKnight may each night pass a gun to another player in the game. Guns received from the RocketKnight can only be fired during day phases and have a 50% chance of revealing the shooter.

x3 RocketKnight
The RocketKnight may each night pass a gun to another player in the game. Guns received from the RocketKnight can only be fired during day phases and have a 50% chance of revealing the shooter.

You got a limited amount of RocketKnight uses.

Dolby claims to be a gunsmith. Mansnicks flipped a triple gunsmith on d1. But if his flip is perfect info he couldn't have given me the gun. But the flavour is the same as the flavour I got ie. the 50% chance of reveal.

The tactician role makes everything confusing because the wolf flips after n3 (or maybe earlier) don't necessarily mean that person started with that role.

So it could be that someone alive wolf or not has an ability to absorb a joat ability from a dead player. Maybe someone strictly has a joat role where they can use dead town abilities and use mansnicks role to give me a gun n1.

But again that only makes sense to be you, but you had to have given me the vest.

The data is imperfect so we can only get so far looking at it. But its still important to piece together what we can.

I dunno

Actually.

Maybe what actually happened to me is that the gun I got was a standard issue 50/50 gun much like the one Seanzie got but my vest activated and is what caused me to have the role switch.

I am still wearing the vest. I was told I'd get notified if it was ever pierced. That doesn't mean it's a bulletproof vest necessarily. Or maybe it is but when I get capped I get my old role back also.

I did just think of something else. There also has to be someone who gave me the vest n1. It wasn't Dolby. Alison claimed to have done something that caused Michelle to die. It wasn't HK. That really only leaves you as an armorsmith. Mafia would have worked out that was you by now also.

So yeah.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:15 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:21 am If I take all mech away.

Dolby and Alison are towny as fuck.
Scotty has pinged me but mostly was townread by a lot of town including C4 who was adamant, who also scumread LC and was right.
HK I have felt you were scummy for the majority of your game. You haven't even gotten towny since your return and are only coasting on the mech.

So if we were to take away all information, which frankly we probably should at this point of a bastard game. I'd kill you.

So I flipped wrong? That's your "non-mech" solve?

You want me to reword what I said?

On play you are the least towny imo. Sorry if wrong.

Like we could just be complete assholes and say Scotty you shoot a wolf and end the game or you get chopped today.

Scotty town, at rand has a 33% chance of winning the game if he shoots not me (which like don't cuz I have a vest anyway). Take the fact that Dolby is probably just town here and it's 50%.

If he shoots wrong, then there is then a 33% chance he is mafia.

Which if you take Dolby as a clear actually makes him 50% likely mafia.

Scotty shooting inaccurately today puts us at mylo immediately which means we can't have the mafia solve a slot for us overnight.

Alison has the worst mech clear. Which if anything in a game with seemingly so much capability to gain false mech clearance, makes her kinda townier.

Dolby has a mech clear AND towniness. So I am just taking him as lock.

Scotty, I should park my paranoia and sheep dead town.

I kinda think Scotty should holster his gun. We chop HK. Let the mafia clear another player. Go to regular f3. If Scotty is town with a gun, the mafia will clear him tonight? They never take Scotty with a gun to f3?

If f3 has Scotty you just chop him? Otherwise you chop Alison?

If I take all mech away.

Dolby and Alison are towny as fuck.
Scotty has pinged me but mostly was townread by a lot of town including C4 who was adamant, who also scumread LC and was right.
HK I have felt you were scummy for the majority of your game. You haven't even gotten towny since your return and are only coasting on the mech.

So if we were to take away all information, which frankly we probably should at this point of a bastard game. I'd kill you.

There's a whole page of Nanook waffly sheeping me onto a HK vote. Never teammed with Nanook because of it.

My entire ISO is clearing from my first post. This is nothing like my wolf game.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:37 pm flea
ender
osie
lime

wolfy list probably

Day 2, 3/4 wolves in a wolf readslist.

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:43 am

Flea the Magician wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:45 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:12 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:25 pm Why not do it to Alison? No offense to Mac but Alison would be a better insanifier target

The post Mac is repeating over and over is the post he got warned for violating the post cap for so it's possible that it has something to do with that. Alternatively it could be related to the fake gun he triggered which he said gave him a bunch of negative util effects. Silencing could easily fall under that category.

Going over postcap vanillises. That mac seems to have actioned gives me concerns.

Wait mac actioned despite going over the postcap? UGGGGGGGGGGH.

Hey look it's magical. A single Osie post that spews me endlessly clear of being his teammate also.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:41 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:39 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:12 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:11 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 2:41 pm [VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine

Scummiest slot in the game so far.

So I've hard-disliked 2 of your takes so far, good start.

she is locktown

ender/lime w/w though or no cause I'd say no

Nah Mac says we w/w so we w/w.

Let me defend my buddy pls.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:10 pm

honey wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:06 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:38 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:34 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:32 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:30 pm what's funny?

Your reads.

oh really? what's so funny about them?

You townread then scumread me within 15 minutes of my arrival.

Fastest turnaround yet.

What abt me I scumread u then tred you within 15 mins of ur arrival

You aren't someone I know who has turned around town/scum reads on me in previous games. =P I'm memeing at Mac.

Some EW getting annoyed at me and lashing out.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:03 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:11 pm

honey wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:07 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:03 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:43 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:39 pm you're just flooding the thread with far too much fluff and bs

Who is this?

Honey. I find the gamestate hard to deal with because of it.

are you going to keep whining about it or are you going to steer the game in the direction you want cos i only see u doing one of these things
u act like im singularly holding this game hostage and i assure u im not lol

are u a newbie player too mac?

Mac is definitely a newbie player, and I'm sure he would be super appreciative if you took him under your wing and gave him guidance on how to best approach the game

Nanook with the best post in the thread by far.

Two wolves teasing me together.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:46 pm

honey wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:45 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:44 pm Hey remember how I said this was HK town meta?

This is HK town meta.

tbf mac said this too and now look at him

Mac changing his mind on reads isn't anything AI for him.

Wonder if he kidnapped Alison so Alison couldn't scum him tho

Trying to push me like a massive pussy.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:18 am What are the chances Mac kidnapped Alison so he could use her as an excuse to push certain reads lmao

Pushing it again.

That's two wolves that spew me clear from getting tilted by me into spewing me town.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:51 am Also wtf at that soup. If wolves gunned Mac don't they just know what he is????

Interesting post in hindsight.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:06 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:05 am

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:03 am I don't understand why Mac is willing to believe that HK flipped wrong and was rezzed as mafia goon but not that Scotty was willing to shoot his teammate as a hail mary bus in a situation where they were going to get stomped.

I already humoured that. I am not unwilling to make that read. You are getting to the point of outing with the level of propagandaishness your Mac analysis possesses.

Let us say Scotty shoots me. He has two live guns so he is clear. I am dead so I am clear.

What is your next move? Are you just going to say "gg HK was framed"?

Re-evaluate with new information at the time I need to.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 11:05 pm

honey wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:59 pm now mac says im maf bc i dont have tmi,,, i've gotten a lot of things but i gotta say that's a new one!

I can't tell what the fuck this is. Either it's the dude ACTUALLY believing we're mafia hard defending the other and he's town. Or he's mafia that's just getting more and more pissed off that mislynches are getting taken off the table because players have meta on each other.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 11:07 pm Like Mac complaining about how HK is playing, with all of him going crazy and screaming at people, is reminiscent of me being mafia in Jack Town when I just started complaining about people getting townread because they became toxic and yelled at people at certain points in the game.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 11:12 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 11:08 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 11:05 pm

honey wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:59 pm now mac says im maf bc i dont have tmi,,, i've gotten a lot of things but i gotta say that's a new one!

I can't tell what the fuck this is. Either it's the dude ACTUALLY believing we're mafia hard defending the other and he's town. Or he's mafia that's just getting more and more pissed off that mislynches are getting taken off the table because players have meta on each other.

Is that reeeeally so hard to believe?

Are you even LOOKING at the other fucking games I just linked?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 11:14 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 11:13 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 11:12 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 11:08 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 11:05 pm

honey wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:59 pm now mac says im maf bc i dont have tmi,,, i've gotten a lot of things but i gotta say that's a new one!

I can't tell what the fuck this is. Either it's the dude ACTUALLY believing we're mafia hard defending the other and he's town. Or he's mafia that's just getting more and more pissed off that mislynches are getting taken off the table because players have meta on each other.

Is that reeeeally so hard to believe?

Are you even LOOKING at the other fucking games I just linked?

Of course not. Why would I care enough about a bastard game to do that?

You're caring enough to get triggered.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:12 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:26 pm LC

The good:

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:15 pm Typically I can tell if my entrance or first couple posts are good or not.

Main example here.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost4982972

I was Mystery Player, I knew my posts sucked to start and when SPF voted me I agreed my posts sucked, and I knew that I'd be obvious town to SPF because I know that she's good.

This game I feel like my posts have been fine. So seeing votes on me has me questioning why the hell I'm being voted and people are trying to bring attention to me when I'm towny.

Also the other thing is that I'm trying to figure out how or why she's pushing me. Lately I've been tunneling town players for sus'ing me super early in games for no reason. So I don't want to make that same mistake here.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:20 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:18 pm Well, if you don't townread her, I'd say her reasons for trying to get you killed would be obvious (if you're town).


TBH this post reads like a frustrated wolf who feels their game has been more towny than their votes deserve

Or you're just an idiot that's coming up with excuses to scumread me instead of using actual fucking logic.

Shit like this is towny af from BK

The bad:

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 11:10 am (Day 1 Posts: 62), (Day 2 Posts: 103), (Day 3 Posts: 119)

The dude's just generally really muted this game

His entrance reads as super crowd-pleasy when he's normally abrasive, he doesn't blare his strongest reads on max volume like he normally does
Could be a biproduct of him actually getting his way for once (see: mansnicks going over), but it's still just flat throughout and this guy's a rage machine

Like when people normally even indirectly challenge his reads he blows up at them and insists they're either dumb or scum for thinking so
Here his early read on mansnicks gets challenged and all he's worried about defending is people's perceptions of him off of it and not much of the read itself
I wouldn't expect him to take a passive approach to his top wolf as town, even if their death was telegraphed

I went at Mac (And others) for scumreading Honey who was my strongest townread this game.

I would go stronger...but you saw first hand the results of how I react when someone challenges my townreads. It's the reason I'm here currently.

Okay let me find you some actual game content that should put paid to your little trip to stupidville.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:03 am I don't understand why Mac is willing to believe that HK flipped wrong and was rezzed as mafia goon but not that Scotty was willing to shoot his teammate as a hail mary bus in a situation where they were going to get stomped.

I already humoured that. I am not unwilling to make that read. You are getting to the point of outing with the level of propagandaishness your Mac analysis possesses.

I had my teammate post curse me, not knowing when it would be lifted if ever?

Or is the accusation that I was just pretending?

Town plz.

I am spewed town in about six ways.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:33 pm

Flea the Magician wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:27 pm My solve sits at within TH, Mac and 1 other rn. Probably Nanook because ye gods the passivity here is unreal so I need to read them.

It's hard to imagine Mac intentionally postblocking himself for 2 day phases on end just to earn some towncred given the way he likes to play as scum. I have been burned by that kind of read before (Stardew Valley Mafia) though.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:52 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:48 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:46 pm If you think it's WIFOM just call the bluff. Scotty supposedly has a gun; he can resolve my alignment right now if it's legitimate.

My solve is Scotty -> Mac. I don't see a good reason for Scotty to have those guns in his hand unless he is mafia. I would probably go Mac over Dolby if he is green on the sole basis that both sides have been mech cleared (one got time looped, the other shot a wolf) and Mac is more likely to be cunning enough to fake it.

Dolby also was time looped today and only broke out of it when LC flipped. It's impossible for him to be a wolf unless this entire game has been set up for him to be the deepest of deep wolves.

The way that Dolby is a wolf is if he uses a daykill to bus Ender and then asks LC to time loop him (or fakes a time loop). In a Scotty V and HK V world someone has faked being sabotaged by the mafia so he can't be cleared off that.

I would go Mac over him mostly because I think Mac is about ten thousand times more likely to fake a sabotage on himself than Dolby is.

Interesting how your opinion is so fluid.

Yeah like why is that so hard to believe?

My initial solve was that you and Ender were mafia from the d1 wagons. If there is even a remote shred of evidence that there is flip bullshit in play, you having the card you have makes you getting that ability put on you a near certainty.

Kill HK, Alison or Mac and not claim the shot, probably?

Scotty shooting a wolf teammate when he did is just nuts to think about. I am not gonna be the guy that tinfoils mafia killing teammates. I did that once and it cost me a lot of dignity.

So I am taking Dolby, Scotty as clear.

Is there a world where HK is a wolf?

Maybe he is the wolf with the card shuffling nonsense?

I'd go Alison over Dolby. Pretty comfortably.

That said, there is no world in which Scotty wins this at f3. So it's a hail mary anyway. Scotty has claimed to have a second gun. That'll clear things up even further. If he is town, he is very likely to shoot at a wolf imo.

Please note that for the fifth time I am hard claiming having an unpopped vest though.

I was pushing LC/Scotty worlds literally today fwiw. So the idea that there is absolutely no benefit to Scotty taking that shot if he can take it, is not true. I was pretty much bullying everyone into going Scotty into LC as our solve. This is like the one thing that could have happened to prevent Scotty being today's chop and LC being an auto chop afterwards imo.

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:26 pm Mac what nights have you activated disloyal PGO?

Last night. Third in the cycle. Because it's the worst of the three roles. I hard claimed it in the thread and told people to stay away.

My original card that was swapped last night with Lime Coke's was a % chance to become immune to insanity effects. You will see that pop up in discord when guillo gets to it. I now have LC's 10% chance of commuting power.

n1 I activated Blaze and Honey stole a penance stare off of me, received a vest (that the mod still has not confirmed popped) and a gun, as well as a colourblind cop sanity check from lost monkey that he softed in the thread
d2 I fired a gun that did nothing, lost my powers and had them swapped for ascetic, miller and disloyal PGO
n2 I was vanillaised by overposting so I didn't have to activate any of the powers which I found very ironic and funny
n2 I was post cursed
n3 I activated ascetic because it is the last neg util of the 3 roles
n4 I activated miller
n5 I activated disloyal PGO

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:22 pm We know a gun misfired that day so Mac is proven to have been holding a blank gun. We don't have proof that it vanillaized him.

It didn't vanillaise me. Stop saying that it did. It swapped my original skillset with ascetic, miller and disloyal PGO.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:21 pm Do we have proof that Mac actually got a fake gun that replaced his abilities with crap?

Shot rang out in the middle of me trying to bury HK, I claimed it. No cc.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:19 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:19 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:18 pm Could there just be 6 mafia? Town has a fuckton of KP with all the guns going around, and if the c4/listo flips are to be believed there's 2 protectives as well.

You don't really believe they had the exact same role do you?

It happened in PercyKate, remember?

That game made sense to have people with the same powers. A bastard joat game doesn't.

Role copier is the only way they have the same skillset.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:18 pm Could there just be 6 mafia? Town has a fuckton of KP with all the guns going around, and if the c4/listo flips are to be believed there's 2 protectives as well.

You don't really believe they had the exact same role do you?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:17 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:16 pm Dolby feels just uber town here. I am never tinfoiling him.

HK ... gotta be town.

Hmmm I guess I'll do this the old fashioned way.

Which of the mafia flips are we most confident is real in order?

If that is your solve don't you just have auto with me + Scotty?

One would think so, but then one would be overlooking the fact that we are playing a Guillo bastard game.