The Syndicate

I thought LoRab was May too.

LoRab and Sloonei were great. Jimmy was his usual great self. A cavalcade of great performances.

Fairly happy with my radar in this game. Specifically Zebra, Glorfindel and civ reading Dom. Zebra did have me fooled for a while though.

Quin you're a badass.

I am fucking loving this end game. The cast is brilliant.

Haha I cannot remember the last time I was night killed in a game. Feels weird.

Thanks for the game.

Dom wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Anyone wanna take a stab at fleshing out a read on me since I am suspicious to so many ppl?
Because you're not baddie hunting.

insertnamehere wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:at this point, I'm just sitting in the balcony, feeling salty, detached, impotent, and utterly indifferent to this game.

I'm like Statler & Waldorf, combined into one physical body.

#avengeindi #mpdidnothingwrong #boldplay
Who do you think is bad?
Glorfindel.

Honorable mentions to Dom and Lorab. Those are my three biggest suspicions, in that order.
literally why

I have been?

Anyone wanna take a stab at fleshing out a read on me since I am suspicious to so many ppl?

Glorfindel wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Is Wilgy still a near-consensus suspect as well? Because that approach worked out so well today.
What's the approach and why do you have a problem with it?
The approach of picking off the player who is most widely suspected. I am cautious because we just used it to lynch a townie.
And yet, as gut-wrenchingly disappointing as it is, you want to turn around and do it again...

You would rather we lynch someone less suspicious?

Can we lynch Glorfindel next please.

Epignosis wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Not really hopeful of seeing a Mafia flip on this one considering the complete lack of opposition.
indiglo herself isn't protesting the lynch. Why would her teammates?
Is this you actually telling us the answer lol.
It's me trying to figure you out. You're my #2 suspect.

Seems everybody suspects me now.

Epignosis wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Not really hopeful of seeing a Mafia flip on this one considering the complete lack of opposition.
indiglo herself isn't protesting the lynch. Why would her teammates?

Is this you actually telling us the answer lol.

DrWilgy wrote:Elo analyzed
Elohcin wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:It pains me to disparage a lady, but I do believe Elohcin's response to that random vote from her husband was a bit lifeless. Considering she is here to see Neil Hartley live and in the flesh, I know she isn't that bored. The look on her face, it's giving Neil the wrong impression.

So yeah, it was like after midnight when I posted that response to Epi. Maybe that's why it seems lifeless. Last night was my monthly ladies night out and I didn't come home until I had my fill of caramel apple sangria.

I cannot even remember what emoji I used. Wait....I do remember. Was it was "I'm wacko" one ...I think so. That emoji makes me think of someone being crazy and silly with their post/vote. I actually didn't even look to see he ACTUALLY voted for me. I thought he was kidding at the time. Maybe I ought to vote him back But probably not as I might be voting to save myself with it being so close and all.

I know nothing of this show, so JJJ is confusing me a bit. I may vote him. It seems a little 'trying too hard' to come in here role play like that right off the bat. Like he is trying to win us over. What do y'all think? And this is not WIFOM talking...whatever that is. I never understood that term completely. but you all seem to use it for when you go after someone who has gone after you? I don't know.

I'll hold off on voting for now.
Eloh explaining something she was called out on. Unless JJJ is Eloh's teammate, I think this may be a good reference for looking into Eloh's general tone for something she has to be careful about i.e. vote reasons and interactions with teammates. All tonal reads that fit this motif shall be the same color.

Elohcin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Elohcin wrote:going for self preservation here...
What's ya beef with the bird with teeth?
Nome...it was one of two
..him or Mac. No need.
Votes are changeable and the day is barely half over. This is not the time to be casting preservation votes. Vote wherever your suspicions are!

Elohcin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Elohcin wrote:going for self preservation here...
What's ya beef with the bird with teeth?
Nome...it was one of two
..him or Mac. No need.
A preference of not voting for Mac. Noted.

Oh my goodness! I was thinking days were 24 hours for some reason! I thought I got my vote in like 3 minutes before the bell!!! I wake up this morning looking hard for a host post and everything. GAH! I'm gettin' OLD. Someone save me!!

Okay, I have like 2 pages to catch up on. I am busy today, but I will get there eventually.
This matches the tone I read earlier. Unfortunately I'm having trouble reading into it do to already having too many preconceived notions about Sloonei affecting my thoughts and reads.

Would an exchange between teammates happen outside of btsc in regards to time frames?

Elohcin wrote:
LoRab wrote:Epi expressed suspicion of Elo earlier, which interests me because they read each other well. Would love for him to elaborate on his thoughts.
I seriously thought his actions were a joke or trying to get a rise out of me or something. I think my reaction was what would determine his thoughts of me. Too bad I had to react after midnight after several drinks (when I don't drink often at all). It probably is what started me off on the wrong track for this game.
No longer super suspicious of the LoRab.

Elohcin wrote:The players I will be looking at today are:
Mac - simply b/c other players are finding him suspicious and I seem to be missing the hype. I need to reread him.
Lorab - b/c (no offence) I always see her playstyle as sneaky and bad and I need to decide if it's real or just my predisposition.
Quin - b/c he replaced a non-participant before replacing Glor who also said he cannot participate. I imagine a baddie would be replaced before a civ.
and
....not sure who else atm.
I love lists like this. Who wants to bet that one of these 3 vote candidates was mentioned as distancing?

Elohcin wrote:
MacDougall wrote:I am interested to see what Elo has to say.

I am placing a vote for spirityo.
Why are you placing a vote for Sprit? Just curious.
This is the last part of Eloh's ISO I'd like to point out. A question that felt out of nowhere, and only one other question that I feel is similar to this is addressing me. Oddly enough I was addressing Mac in that question. This question feels as if it was forced, and im unsure if it was forced by the existance of Mac or Sprityo, but due to my involvement with Mac earlier, I think it is actually Mac that drew this question. I read it as a teammate interaction.

Unfortunately, anyone who was addressed in the orange tone is dead except Sloonei, and I cannot make a tonal read regarding the Slooner. Something to note, is that due to this tone, it may have been originally broadcasted due to interaction with a teammate, however I do not think JJJ and Elo are teammates.

I'll place my vote on Mac. Interesting... I don't think Elo interacted with Indiglo or INH. Oh well.

Wilgy I voted for Elo when she was behind 4 to 3. I also did so to take no credit. I could have voted for anyone and achieved the same outcome. How as Mafia can I justify voting for Elo at that juncture? If I was bussing her would I not have made a song and dance routine to get as much credit as possible? Would I even bus a teammate at that point?

You aren't even attempting to read your deeply informed meta knowledge of my scum game.

Not really hopeful of seeing a Mafia flip on this one considering the complete lack of opposition.

Scotty replaced Sprityo right?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

What happened to the chart?

Interesting to note that Zebra's vote at eod was on MP and not INH too.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
MacDougall wrote:How do you take Epi's immediate backing down when you pointed out that you had an attempt on your life. Didn't seem very Epi to make such a sheepish reply.
I'm not sure he had a choice since the suspicion implied in his "huh" was soundly annihilated. It's worth asking him about though.

Epignosis, before you realized I was saved from a night kill, you clearly implied that you were surprised to see me alive. You specifically referred to your own past body's death on Night 1, drawing some sort of relevance between those things. What did you mean?

I would expect Epi to have analysed the lay of the land with a little more oomph before making a 'my bad' type post. And I was online at the time. The timing makes me think he didn't even go back and look at the lynch result. He just quickly pivoted. As though he wanted to get outta Dodge.

Say we are playing with a Zebra, Glor and Indi mafia team. Zebra has her real world issues and has to bail. Glor and Indi are left to make the call. MP has shown suspicion of both. No Zebra to take the steering wheel.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:The MP kill is bugging me. Who dunnit? MP's four sub-orange reads in his dying rainbow were Glorfindel, DrWilgy, Scotty 2.0, and indiglo.

If I was to make a skittle list Glor, Wilg, Indi would be red. Wilgy is less of a kill his adversaries guy tho.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Please remember that I have to judge your alignment too.
What kind of weird comment is that last sentence?
Sometimes I get the impression people don't consider that when I'm being told in some way or another that I'm being a ball hog. When I make a post like the one I entered this thread with just now, the intent isn't to be an authoritarian figure and shut down dissenters, but to incite reactions from people who can be bad. I didn't intend for that reaction to be an emotional/personal one though, so perhaps it's my fault for not considering the appearance of the post before putting it down.

How do you take Epi's immediate backing down when you pointed out that you had an attempt on your life. Didn't seem very Epi to make such a sheepish reply.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
MacDougall wrote:That last paragraph is fairly waffly Glorf. You didn't just make that huge post to make yourself look civvie did you?
I assume this refers to this, being the last paragraph of Glorfindel's large post:

Glorfindel wrote:My verdict here is a fairly solid Town read on MR based on his posts above. I can't say I necessarily see his perspective in regard to his judgements on a number of players but it appears he was correct about MP when there were accusations being thrown around about him. I still believe his suspicions on INH are justified (even if there is a chance that they're wrong). I think (as I've suggested earlier) there is some foundation for those suspicions and no, I don't agree with the camp that believes INH was Silvertongue. I cannot see his reaction on Day 4 aligning to him being that role.
I underlined and bolded the portion that I felt was most pertinent. Glorfindel stated he disagreed with motel room on a few points, but in the end still felt inclined to call him a fairly solid town read. If this were waffling, I wouldn't expect that first sentence to exist. He qualified the read with points of dissent, but he didn't caveat the read into something less than it started (something like "I would say he's a fairly solid town read, but there's this bit about him that makes him suspicious that I can't get past...").

What was your specific interpretation of waffling, Mac? Please remember that I have to judge your alignment too.

What kind of weird comment is that last sentence?

I just use it as a catch all for over wordliness. Especially when you produce a lot of words to make a weak or simple point.

It's whatever man. Forums game. You can be captain if it makes you happy or whatever. I am grumpy because I am sick.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Like that is literally dictionary shit man. Just wand waving my opinion like I am a moron.
I didn't say or imply that you are a moron. I am saying I disagree with your assessment. What did you feel was waffly about the thing you called waffly?

Fuck dude. I have laid out what I consider a pretty solid series of reads and you didn't even give me (or quin) the courtesy of explaining how we are wrong. Just because you are confirmed doesn't give you the right to just appear and wrestle the microphone away.

Fuck it. I am going to bed.

Also you are wrong. He made an ISO of what he said was Sloonei but was actually Motel Room to neg read INH. And his closing post was what I call waffling. Unless you have a different meaning.

Like that is literally dictionary shit man. Just wand waving my opinion like I am a moron.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think I'm okay with Glorfindel right now. He didn't waffle like Mac said, and he was clear about motel room in the initial post as Quin said he wasn't.

What. No. You can't just do that and complain when people call you arrogant.

It is just easy to rationalise as a Mafia player. Oh dang Mac voted me ... better make a contributing post ... might as well just pick these two randoms.

I am not so much questioning who you chose to iso. I am questioning why you chose to iso those guys and not your suspects when you are clearly time poor in this game.

Glorfindel wrote:
MacDougall wrote:I feel like 'because they were online' is not a good reason at this juncture. If you want to contribute you should be analysing the isos of those you were suspicious of, especially as your first major contribution. It makes me feel like you don't really have any suspicions, which would make your previous read of INH fabricated.

I think you contributed to saving indiglo too. Your eod posts were nervy as fuck.
Well, that's your opinion - I wanted to start somewhere and that's where I started. Maybe I should've started with other players but I have time for that.

So you have the intention of ISO analysing all of is?

Go ahead. Start with INH and then me if I may request.

Nup not buying sorry. Good try.

So rather than selecting to analyse a guy you continue to think is bad you choose the guys who are online. It just doesn't make sense to me that a civ would do that. Particularly one who doesn't produce mass wall posts reads on a whim.

It is interesting to note that nowhere in Glorfindel's explanation of how INH survived did he suggest he mighy be Cundalini. Probably because he knows he is not.

That being said, he is just as likely to be the bad guy with a similar role, but his frustration makes me lean the other way. I suppose he could have feigned it because of thay very reason.

Glorfindel wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
Glorfindel wrote:
MacDougall wrote:That last paragraph is fairly waffly Glorf. You didn't just make that huge post to make yourself look civvie did you?
My most sincere apologies for my lack of clarity, my friend. Please allow me to clarify; I think motel room is Town, I don't share that view of INH.
How is INH alive if he isn't Silvertongue who saved himself?
What evidence have you that he did? There are 12 other players left in this game and anyone of them (more likely not the five that voted for him) could've made that call. Personally, I'd think his reaction earlier in the Day would suggest that he was not Silvertongue as I cannot see any logical correlation between his role and his reaction. Please don't get me wrong, I am genuinely concerned about the guy but no, I don't think he was Silvertongue. I'd also point out that the use of the pardon ability on himself was not automatic (meaning that he would still have to have notified the host of his intention to apply it) and he wasn't anywhere around for ages before the EoD which again, suggests to me that it was another player who pardoned him.

Why would a player with no confirmation of INH's role save him when his role is a potential lynch pardon of him or herself later. Talk about your all time wastes.

INH also vanishing says to me than he submitted his lynch pardon and bailed.

I feel like 'because they were online' is not a good reason at this juncture. If you want to contribute you should be analysing the isos of those you were suspicious of, especially as your first major contribution. It makes me feel like you don't really have any suspicions, which would make your previous read of INH fabricated.

I think you contributed to saving indiglo too. Your eod posts were nervy as fuck.

Okay but why did you arbitrarily choose those two guys and not players you already were suspicious of to dedicate so much attention to?

Quin wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
Quin wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Motel Room is not dead.
His ISO is about motel room, not Sloonei.
Who is the now dead guy you refer to?
MP.

Ok gotcha. I agree the post looks a fake.

Glorfindel wrote:
MacDougall wrote:That last paragraph is fairly waffly Glorf. You didn't just make that huge post to make yourself look civvie did you?
My most sincere apologies for my lack of clarity, my friend. Please allow me to clarify; I think motel room is Town, I don't share that view of INH.

How is INH alive if he isn't Silvertongue who saved himself?

Quin wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Motel Room is not dead.
His ISO is about motel room, not Sloonei.

Who is the now dead guy you refer to?

Motel Room is not dead.

That last paragraph is fairly waffly Glorf. You didn't just make that huge post to make yourself look civvie did you?

Epignosis wrote:
Dom wrote:Mac is making me nervous.
How so?

My participation has dropped which is similar to what happened in romance but it is because i am sleeping all day due to the flu.

Gonna vote for Glorfindel

No I still think Zebragnosis is bad.

We should just lynch g-man.

I am so sick. I need some hugs.

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