The Syndicate

Good game

Sweet release

Epignosis wrote:
MacDougall wrote:What if Epignosis is Donald Trump and he is role playing?
I still wouldn't kill Eloh.

Now notsawyer is dying. How does that suit you?

Hmmm I feel meh about it.

What if Epignosis is Donald Trump and he is role playing?

There is way too much omgus going on in this game. This game really does remind me of a parliament. A whole bunch of men accusing each other of being the villain. Funny shit.

Faraday, do you really think he mischaracterised you in that post? Explain how please. I would describe it more as him describing you with cliff notes.

Epignosis wrote:
MacDougall wrote:You guys are talking yourselves into convincing yourselves that each other is bad when the real villain is Faraday.
Can you be assed with explaining why you believe that to be the case?

He is blendy. His positions on things shift constantly to allow him to resolve to the path of least resistance. He tone reads bad.

You guys are talking yourselves into convincing yourselves that each other is bad when the real villain is Faraday.

Can we go back to lynching my day 1 scum reads? Faraday plz.

Epignosis wrote:MM refuses to kill me.

I'm still alive.

MM tried to get me lynched.

What think you of MM?

He is a swell guy.

Marmot wrote:
Epignosis wrote:MM refuses to kill me.

I'm still alive.

MM tried to get me lynched.

What think you of MM?
I think folks ought to entertain the notion that you're mafia.

The fact that you're pushing this simple-minded approach encourages that idea.

What do folks think of that?

It doesn't look like anything to me.

I am gonna just go by the assumption Epi is civ tbh. If he is bad good on him.

What a scandal

I got Llama as a civ read fwiw

Epignosis wrote:
notsawyer540 wrote:RIP Quin.

I'm more inclined to think that Mac is innocent after the way that things went down, because he could've done nothing and sat back and let me get lynched if he were bad. He was the last person to vote and he cast the deciding vote between two civs who were up for lynch. If he were bad, it wouldn't matter to him which one of us got lynched and he only exposed himself to more risk by stepping in. He was my top scum read before, but now I'm not so sure.

One vote that sticks out like a sore thumb is Marmot. Two civs were up for lynch and he avoided voting for either one of them.
I am the only person in 2017 to win as mafia on The Syndicate this year.

What you are describing is precisely what I did to win.

I wish I was that cool.

Long Con wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
Long Con wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Whose idea was this?
Instant blame. New top suspect.
It'd be sweet if you used your head instead of your pooping ass to play Mafia. What in the world kind of shit would my end of game play be as a Mafia player?

If I am a Mafia player, the only possible justification for what I did was to save Notsawyer. Otherwise I as a Mafia player just stay away from the thread for the last 20 minutes.

Seriously mate you havin a fucken lend or whaT?
Having a lend? Sorry Mac, I'm not hip to that slang.

So what you're saying here is that your actions so today should convince us all that you are Civ. And you can't think of a reason why a baddie would do what you did. You can't think of a reason why a baddie would vote for and secure the lynch of a Civ in a way that he can instantly argue a baddie wouldn't do.

No what I am saying is that I didn't do it and it should be quite obvious.

Epignosis wrote:Present company: Comment on this please.

Long Con wrote:Long Con
thellama73
MacDougall
Epignosis
notsawyer540
Dfaraday
TheFloyd73
Marmot
DrWilgy
Quin

This is a basic rainbow that I hastily constructed. I don't even know if it's exactly how I feel.

Long Con wrote:6. Where you stand on thellama73 and why.
I'm cool with Llama now for reasons I won't really get into.

Long Con is arbitrarily assigning people colours because he likes the look of the post.

TheFloyd73 wrote:
G-Man wrote:
Quin has been lynched. He was...
Spoiler: show

SIDNEY BLUMENTHAL
Counselor to President Hillary Clinton, long-time Clinton strategist and confidant, and now Counselor to the President. Vanilla civvie.

Long Con wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Whose idea was this?
Instant blame. New top suspect.
I second that.

We should have lynched you like I wanted to, but people don't really listen to me in Mafia games.

Long Con wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Whose idea was this?
Instant blame. New top suspect.

It'd be sweet if you used your head instead of your pooping ass to play Mafia. What in the world kind of shit would my end of game play be as a Mafia player?

If I am a Mafia player, the only possible justification for what I did was to save Notsawyer. Otherwise I as a Mafia player just stay away from the thread for the last 20 minutes.

Seriously mate you havin a fucken lend or whaT?

Whose idea was this?

DrWilgy wrote:Was Sawyer actually saved here?

Neat.

Yes. I am hero.

Your suspicion of me is absurd btw. I voted for Jack and only changed to you well after his lynch was off the table. If I was just distancing for credit I wouldn't have changed my vote.

I dunno why I am saving you but here we are...

notsawyer540 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I want to know the following from everybody:

1. Where you stand on notsawyer and why.

2. Where you stand on Marmot and why.

3. Where you stand on Floyd and why.

4. Where you stand on DFaraday and why.

5. Where you stand on Quin and why.

6. Where you stand on thellama73 and why.

7. Where you stand on Long Con and why.

You get the idea. If I left you out, it wasn't personal.

Start talking. Tell me why you're good. Tell me why others are bad. Go.
1. notsawyer - Vanilla town read to me. The back and forth stuff with Epi didn't gain him any favor. He has a bad habit of sinking his teeth in like a pitbull and not letting go, but he's been advocating lynching baddies and showing good initiative.

2. Marmot - Despite the fact that he has way more posts than me, I never really seem to notice them. That could something about the content of his posts, but it could also say something about my attention span. i'll have to search his posts in topic and give them a quick read.

3. Floyd - 7 posts by day 4 and he controls the vote. He's going to kill me today, and when I flip civ he's going to have to face some questions he won't be around to answer. Seems a bit shifty to me, but not enough to where I would vote for him.

4. Dfaraday - He tried to talk some sense into me vis a vis Epi:

Dfaraday wrote: Clearly enough people agreed with him to not lynch Jack right away, so this feels like you're trying to shift the blame onto Epi.
It just took me a long drive to start thinking about it. The only other things I know about him are that he randomized a vote for me on day 1 and he almost got lynched on day 1 or 2.

5. Quin - Called me out from the get-go for being myself and then sunk into the shadows for a while after he lost that argument, only to reemerge when it was clear I would be up for lynch. Definitely sets off alarm bells. If you go back to Parks and Rec mafia and look at Leslie Knope's posts, I made a lot of posts like the one Quin went after in this game. I also got lynched on day 4 and flipped civ. Quin is definitely on my list.

6. llama - Not feeling too great about this one either. In my limited experience, I've found that the second person to jump on something is usually more likely to be the bad one, and llama did that when Quin called me out. Llama has also not been contributing very much and hasn't provided anything new to the hunt. Slightly worse than Quin imo.

7. LC - I called him out before and he ignored it, which is never a good sign, but he seems to be patient and non-opportunistic. I think he knows more than he lets on, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Leaning civ on him.

8. Epi - I've warmed a bit to Epi, but not enough to say civ read. I went on the attack recently because I was convinced I was right about Epi, but looking back I just got tunnel vision. Some of my points still stand and I don't believe the Eloh argument. Just because you haven't done something before doesn't mean you won't do it now.

9. Wilgy - Was my primary suspect before the whole thing with Epi. Still not sure on him. He wasn't hesitant to correct me on his involvement with the lynching of SVS, but he also tried to correct me on the argument about whether or not to lynch Jack and when I went back to look at the posts, he was wrong--but it was really just splitting hairs. Mostly neutral on him with a slight baddie lean.

10. Mac - My top suspect. Day 1 he voted for me without explanation right when the vote was going to end, despite having voiced suspicion for Jack. Then when Jack was revealed, Mac tried to get himself a known-civ status until people shut that down. If he was so good that he tone-read Jack on day 1, why didn't he vote that way? I think he was mafia throwing out an accusation against another person so that when that person flipped bad he could go back and say he called it on day 1. Mac will be getting my vote today.

If I missed anyone, please let me know. And if there's anything I haven't addressed, let me know that too. I was hoping to do more here, but I have a paper and a bunch of reading that need done and I really don't have time to do digging.

My rainbow list:

Mac
Llama
Quin
Floyd
Epi
Wilgy
Dfaraday
Marmot
LC
notsawyer

Your top!?

Hmmm why are you being saved again?

Well how bow dah?

Cash me outside how bow dah

I did post at the start of day 4 and I have been at work, playing Madden and then asleep.

Also let's just lynch Floyd.

Let's lynch Floyd.

Quin wrote:We know what happens when we let people who oppose killing their partners play mafia, don't we?

I know you are making a joke but your impression here interests me. I know exactly what you mean but because I am a civ I haven't really felt it as a potential problem in this game, though you seem to have a carry over opinion from the GoC.

You would only be scared if you were Mafia aligned right?

Epignosis wrote:"Good catch." "Another good catch."

Please. If you are a civilian, you would be defending the shit out of me, except, well, you don't know that Eloh is my wife and I wouldn't kill her Night 1. Jack didn't know that. People keep acting like I'm the kind of person that would kill her to fuck with everyone. Am I? People also think I have this huge reputation where I would throw my teammates under the bus at every turn, but I have only done that one intentionally, and only twice because of circumstance. If you think you've caught me because I forgot something or because I don't say what you want to hear, guess what?

"You a damn fool." -Boo

This post is really the first one I've felt conclusively makes you a civ read to me because of the first statement being so difficult to image a mafia player saying. But I do encourage you to stop using a wifom argument to defend yourself. Your best argument for being civ, to me, is your tone and your effort. The fact that you keep defending saying "I wouldn't kill eloh" is hollow because hypothetical scum Epignosis isn't the only one on his team that has that say and I can easily envision a team where someone suggesting killing Eloh, you saying something to the effect of "I'd rather not but it's not just up to me" and then someone familiar to you saying something to the effect of "if we do that you'll be able to use it as a wifom defence" and then arriving exactly where we are in the thread. It is an entirely plausible scenario.

Unless you would have me believe that you would completely deny a potential teammate the opportunity because of a "she's my partner" argument in which case I'd hate to have you as a teammate in a game with Elohcin and I think you are better at this game than to have arbitrary rules as such.

Epignosis wrote:
Epignosis wrote:If Jack were not on the poll, where would you vote and why?

Where my vote is currently. Jack has enough votes now so I cbf moving it.

Smartmot

Epignosis wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Long Con wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Who said I was certain? I am more confident in my little read on you than anyone else seems to be on anything and you aren't gonna lynch yourself so might as well get a wagon cooking on someone. Why not Pingy McStrangepost himself?

A fool would be certain given such little evidence.
If he's good: This looks pretty legit

If he's bad: He accuses while simultaneously suggesting it's foolish to believe it.
In that last post, it seems like MacDougall is throwing in the towel trying to get his biggest suspect lynched...before he's actually done anything in earnest to get people to vote Jack.

Am I reading that incorrectly?
It sounds like you guys are just struggling to believe I am this good at Mafia.
If you can't persuade others to vote for your man, then no, you're not that good.

Mac uses playful humour.

Epignosis is not affected.

TheFloyd73 wrote:Going to place a vote on Jack for now.

Mac's also in my sights as potential scum. Although Swayer's perspectives on him could have been dictated more coherently (but heck, this is coming from me), I believe they extrude a real point.

Epignosis wrote:
Long Con wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Who said I was certain? I am more confident in my little read on you than anyone else seems to be on anything and you aren't gonna lynch yourself so might as well get a wagon cooking on someone. Why not Pingy McStrangepost himself?

A fool would be certain given such little evidence.
If he's good: This looks pretty legit

If he's bad: He accuses while simultaneously suggesting it's foolish to believe it.
In that last post, it seems like MacDougall is throwing in the towel trying to get his biggest suspect lynched...before he's actually done anything in earnest to get people to vote Jack.

Am I reading that incorrectly?

It sounds like you guys are just struggling to believe I am this good at Mafia.

Cash me outside how bow dah.

Stop voting for Wilgy he is gud.

DFaraday wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Marmot wrote:Why do you think he's civilian that is?
Chickenshit stuff. He gave a full assessment when under pressure to do so, but a lot of what he said didn't make any sense. He came in cool with lynching S~V~S as long as he wasn't getting the rope.

I see textbook DF is all.
Epignosis wrote:
DFaraday wrote:I won't be able to catch up on the thread until tonight, so I randomized Sawyer. I hate randomizing, but I haven't read since page 3 and literally have no suspicions yet.
This was Mon Feb 27, 2017 3:13 pm EST. I note that there were only seven pages, which means DF was only four pages behind. Surely he could have skimmed and made a more informed decision in that time, could he not?

DFaraday wrote:Finally caught up. Good result, all! RIP Elo.

I agree that there's no rush to lynch Jack, we just need to be careful about how close lynches are or he could tip the scales. Then again, I doubt he'd use that to save a teammate, but rather frame a civ.

To Sawyer: I have no suspicion of you. I randomized from everybody besides myself and it was you. That's all.
This next post is Wed Mar 01, 2017 3:15 am EST, over 36 hours later. In it, DF did nothing but talk about Jack- no mention of suspects, whom he would have voted had he been caught up, no ideas on who is a civilian- nada.

I'm voting DFaraday.
So you 180'd on DF?
No, he just recognized my usual poor gameplay.

I'm not sure why Epi voted Mac, but I just glanced over Mac's posts and was surprised to see he's at 64. Most of them are pretty short and devoid of substance. Before analyzing his posts more, I'd put him down as a mild suspicion.

And how is that not '180ing' on you? Interesting defence of Epi there. Interesting and suspicious stuff from the suspicious one.

How surprising that the guy who has his vote on you is suspicious to you.

How very surprising.

My suspicion of SVS was pretty much non existent actually. I just agreed with the logic of the cases against her.

Surprising suspicion from the suspicious one.

Voting for Faraday who is bad

DrWilgy wrote:Baddie team is JoH, Sawyer, DF, and Llamotnosis Con.

Yeah I dunno now I doubt Sawyer would have the guts to make up a scum read on me if he was bad.

Faraday is bad though.

Quin wrote:I thought the intention was to act like we could lynch outside of Jack in order to generate discussion, but to vote him in the end anyway.

It appears I was wrong, and therefore this is sketchy.

As did I.

DrWilgy wrote:Lynching the known badder today does nothing for us though. We shoulda lynched DF instead.

It does nothing? Except remove a bad guy and prevent the chance of mislynching a civ for another full night and day phase. You know like the ideal outcome of a day.

SVS really did look bad. That post Epi made pointing out the post flip reactions looked great. Still should have lynched the known badder.

What's ugly?

I gotta go anyway so here is a pic that shows my phone time as 7.30am and the poll ending at 8.30am so meh.

Tell me how this makes me suspicious though?

Epignosis wrote:And you didn't vote.

So I totes still thought there was an hour to go.

Epignosis wrote:
MacDougall wrote:While I think SVS is Mafia and ordinarily would vote for her I KNOW Jack is and voting for him today seems a better idea to me. Cool we managed to find a great day 3 lynch candidate already but how can we truly justify lynching SVS before Jack?

How is that suspicious? Also answer my question. You aren't even a civ read of mine so I'm super interested in how you can justify your wagon creation here as well as this arrogant single smiley post response to a very fair question. The vote is too close now to not lynch Jack.

While I think SVS is Mafia and ordinarily would vote for her I KNOW Jack is and voting for him today seems a better idea to me. Cool we managed to find a great day 3 lynch candidate already but how can we truly justify lynching SVS before Jack?

Notsawyer, SVS, Faz, Joh.

Game over hand me my medal.

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