The Syndicate

I actually didn't know I was meant to be doing that... Was behind the 8 ball from missing the start really. Mafia team did well.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:25 pm It reads way OTT. I strongly believe exclamation marks are among the most disingenuous of punctuations.

It's also a pretty classic example of feeling the need to say something.

Something about that post seems civvie to me. I think I rate DFaraday enough to think that he would be smart enough to not make that post if he were Mafia. I hate it when people say this but it's too pingy to be a real ping?

G-Man wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:39 pm I think it was Nutella's overreaction to Boo's misinterpretation that conflated their spat and made Boo an easy target. Neither one wanted to back down, so it just got worse for both of them. Boo was taking it too far, which is why he drew the vote fire.

G-Man if you are Mafia I will eat a hat. Full credit to you if you are.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:07 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:29 am I think most likely scenario is a miss. Possibly whoever is Mew has a protection ability of some kind.
It could be a miss, but everyone but Tink and Dizzy were around Night 6, so it's unlikely. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Tink and Dizzy can't both be bad if this is the case, because they've both been gone for ages and night kills kept coming in after sprityo died. If it's a miss then someone posted but forgot to send in their night action.

It's very likely not an intentional miss to make us look at absentees, because again, everyone (bar the two) were here.

I meant they took a shot and missed buddy.

I think most likely scenario is a miss. Possibly whoever is Mew has a protection ability of some kind.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:37 pm I recall a lot of mechanics talk by Luffy in the beginning of ASOUE, and he was town. I don't think it's odd for him.

Ah this definitely influences my read a little.

So if he has form in this area it's possible to analyse a little deeper this game vs. that to see if there are inconsistencies in his approach.

On top of that, I'd be interested to see if there are examples of him being Mafia and doing that before.

But, it really just forms a part of the read. It doesn't deconstruct it, definitely lends more doubt.

On another note. No kill can mean a lot of things, but it certainly does lend credibility to the idea that we have inactive Mafia. Would definitely explore who was not around at night, but as mentioned it is a not commonly used, but used, Mafia tactic to intentionally withhold a kill. I have done it a couple of times before. They do have a fairly good window to end game here though so choosing not to take out a civvie here would be an unusual decision.

That's a very useful graph G-Man. Thank you for taking the time to make it.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:49 pm I'm gonna keep the meta theory that Mac is civ when he is being rude and unlikable.

In the one game where I caught him as scum, he was being civil and likable.

So he's probably a civ here.

I can point to many of my Mafia games where I was bad and a prick.

Just out of curiosity which was the scum game that you caught me in that I was being nice?

That being said, this is a play at emotions. What about my posting in this game has been "rude and unlikable"? Was it the part where I have a scum read on you?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:54 pm
DFaraday wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 12:35 pm
boo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:50 am Hey everyone. Try actually reading what la said before she died and go, "derp, lets obviously lynch DF now."

She did the work for you. And we still can't get it done? For real?
If by work you mean "point out when Sprit correctly said I wasn't on the chopping block", then yeah, she did the work. I wouldn't even call what he said defending me.

Mac raises some intriguing ideas about DDL. I've been reading him as civ all game, mainly because he contributes a lot. I'm still leaning for a Wilgy lynch right now though.
On a scale of 1 to 10: how does your opinion of me depend on other people making "intriguing" reads of me, specially if they are voting for me near the end of the day?

I don't understand this post. Who voted for you near the end of the day? Is 1 a lot or 10? How much or how? It's a weird post.

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:07 pm Reading back over my own posts, I'm inclined to side with boo and say I'd be interested in a DFaraday lynch. I remember reading back through Sprityos posts Mac and DFaraday stood out as people sprit was possibly defensive of.

And then I voted to lynch Sprityo in such a way as to not earn any credit for it. Intelligent move.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:18 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:01 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:58 am Furthermore, Mac, what would you expect from me if I was Mafia? what would you expect from me if I was town?
Would I tell you what I believe about your meta?

I have some pretty solidified thoughts about Wilgymeta. I have played a ton of games with you as a mafia teammate after all.
I don't think you would without me pestering you. I think you'd shout "Wilgy is bad" with three 's if you noticed anything reminiscent of my baddie play. That question was more "If I pointed out why I can't be mafia, what type of explanation would you expect from me if I was mafia vs civ?"

I honestly just wanted you and neverwhere to show me if there are really glaring reasons you guys think are civvies. I wasn't trying to play 4D chess.

boo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:05 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:51 am
boo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:50 am Hey everyone. Try actually reading what la said before she died and go, "derp, lets obviously lynch DF now."

She did the work for you. And we still can't get it done? For real?
Please explain why in further detail than "because nutella said so".
No.

I said please.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:58 am Furthermore, Mac, what would you expect from me if I was Mafia? what would you expect from me if I was town?

Would I tell you what I believe about your meta?

I have some pretty solidified thoughts about Wilgymeta. I have played a ton of games with you as a mafia teammate after all.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:56 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:51 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:45 amSorry dad, but did you actually expect me to tell you why I can't be mafia? While everyone reevaluating their reads of me won't yield anything, I'm excited, as it means there may be some perspective shift AND I will be able to get further insight from other players.
Yes, as I said to neverwhere I mean to just get you to point at the posts that make you town. Like you did kind of when you explained the sprityo thing above. What's wrong with the question?
Mac, I look forward to people reading me and I'd rather have those reads be influenced by me as a whole rather what I bring attention to. I think I flourish as a player the more I interact with people.

There is nothing wrong with the question, I guess I just dislike it for the reason above.

boo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:50 am Hey everyone. Try actually reading what la said before she died and go, "derp, lets obviously lynch DF now."

She did the work for you. And we still can't get it done? For real?

Please explain why in further detail than "because nutella said so".

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:45 amSorry dad, but did you actually expect me to tell you why I can't be mafia? While everyone reevaluating their reads of me won't yield anything, I'm excited, as it means there may be some perspective shift AND I will be able to get further insight from other players.

Yes, as I said to neverwhere I mean to just get you to point at the posts that make you town. Like you did kind of when you explained the sprityo thing above. What's wrong with the question?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:32 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:24 am Okay step 1 in solving the game.

DrWilgy - Tell me why you can't be Mafia.
But Mac, I am mafia.

Funny haha but Macserious is here not Mactroll or Macplayful so don't fuck with me boy.

G-Man reading your posts I think you are putting in good work. Please persevere I think you were making inroads. Look at the players who were pushing against your lines of thought.

Aight I'm out. Hopefully have given some life to the thread.

Can see motivation for Luffy buddying Wilgy. Wilgy has been pressuring Luffy a bit. Maybe DDL think Wilgy is Mewtwo.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 2:18 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:26 pm Wilgy is my strongest civ read at this point.
How?

I asked Luffy a question. He posted four posts later and avoided answering.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:39 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 2:15 am I can't believe you guys lynched Fredwood. He was so obviously town.
Trolling is so fun.

Okay so I icing my Wilgy/Quin plotline. Luffy looks bad. Voting history bad. A heavy focus on game mechanics in early posts (a preferred scumtell of mine) and now this comment about Wilgy. Hard buddying.

I'd like to see Luffy lynched. It's a productive move for mine.

It's really not a lot of work to a guy like Wilgy tbh. He hasn't even got two pages of posts. That explanation stands out as a lie to me from Luffy.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:26 pm Wilgy is my strongest civ read at this point.

In light of my newly formed synapse connections this post is straaaange.

Wilgy asks why and gets this.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:32 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:28 pm Lol, I was messing DDL.

My most recent team normally beat out chancies by forcing the swap with band landorus and beating the team aroud the chancy.

Linki - Why?
I just play doubles. No stall anymore. Ever.

The way you ask questions made me legit think you are actually trying to figure things out.

I mean it can be faked, but that's a lot of work to make it look genuine.

Does that explanation satisfy the criteria of a "strongest civ read in the game".

Hmmm I dunno. Wilgy is posting a lot, but I can't say I have ever tone read him overly town in this game.

Does/has anyone shared Luffy's Wilgy read?

I feel it is teammate incompatable coupling though. If one is bad the other is not.

I am currently working a plotline in which Wilgy and Quin are the remaining Mafia players.

Reasons -

Wilgy started pushing for a Dom wagon when Sprityo was up for a lynch. I hypothesise here that he became a little bit enamoured with the idea of bussing, but softly tried to get a Dom wagon going for the cred so he would have a teammate that was active at least.

He also softly defends Dom here.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:09 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:03 pm I voted for Dom, no great reason. Not very useful but I didn't want to miss the vote.
Remember when you were bad and randy voted? Wilgy remembers

Here are posts where he started to try to point at Dom.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:06 pm Everyone.

DOM IS STILL ALIVE

why are we voting for someone who has the potential to contribute as their vacation won't last forever? Explain it to me as if I'm 5.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:16 pm A Dom flip does 2 very important things for us.
1. On flip, If civ, this validates that mafia may be amongst the ones preaching to purge low posters. On flip, if mafia, we can assume mafai aren't wanting to hit low posters.
2. We kill a wallflower, and won't have to deal with it later.

Assuming we gain no info from a wallflower purge is shallow.

Remember that this is all on the day Sprityo was lynched. So it's also a potential Sprityo defense.

It's also an interesting contrast with this comment. Wilgy is just all over the place. That's Wilgy every time meta but here it seems a bit more contrived than normal.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:08 pm Anyone wanna tie Mac and Dom, and have them fight to the death as they aren't here lol? Also now that I have some hindsight, it kinda sucks that TSP died right as he entered the game. Probably should have saved him rgardless of the alignment. Oh well, wasn't here.

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:36 am Hmm, I don't really know how to defend myself.

I am civ 100% That's all I can say. I am busy, but I am not using that as an excuse. Im a single parent, so any game i play from here on in I won't be able to be as mega active as maybe I'd like, that's just how it is.

Like I said, I am newer to mafia and particularly being civ so this game is a learning curve for me. Scum hunting is hard. I am maybe not as vocal or don't have a system down yet for working all of it out, but I am genuinely trying to ask the right questions and work it out.

My suspicions haven't always panned out, but that doesn't make me mafia. Very few of the civs in this game have had much luck.

I totally hear you. I was just hoping you could point at something like "here's where I said something SUPER obvious townie" or "here's where I voted for sprityo" or ... something, anything where you can say ... would Mafia do this?

But that you can't ... is interesting anyway. That you answered me so earnestly despite voting for me last day phase is also something.

Here's my gut reads. I haven't really been paying attention to the game much so these are quite surface level. If there are glaring reasons for them not to make sense please enlighten me.

Suspish

Wilgy
Neverwhere
Quin

Switzerland

Tink
Boo
Dyslexicon

Seems Legit

DFaraday
Luffy
G-Man

What if Dyslexicon is Mewtwo and is silent because he's hanging out in Cerulean Cave waiting for the Elite Four champion?

#tinfoiloftheday

Oh nutella is dead. That's useful. Update the dead post!

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:25 pm Morons.

Let's lynch, in no particular order: Fredwood, DFaraday, and G-Man. Two out of three of them are the baddies.

Interesting hypothesis. G-Man and DFaraday are playing some handy games if bad. Can you summarise your baddie reads on them?

Okay step 1 in solving the game.

DrWilgy - Tell me why you can't be Mafia.
Neverwhere - Likewise.

Everybody else mill around and act busy.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:21 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:16 pm A Dom flip does 2 very important things for us.
1. On flip, If civ, this validates that mafia may be amongst the ones preaching to purge low posters. On flip, if mafia, we can assume mafai aren't wanting to hit low posters.
2. We kill a wallflower, and won't have to deal with it later.

Assuming we gain no info from a wallflower purge is shallow.
So you would rather vote him over Spirit? Are you scum leaning spirit as well?

This is the post that should have made it obvious that Fredwood was town in hindsight. Iirc sprityo hates being called spirit and a teammate would have been more than likely corrected before they went off calling sprityo spirit in the thread.

My bad Freddy.

Okay okay. I'm sorry guys. I'll solve the game now. Hang on a sec.

At this juncture, everyone sounds insincere to me. So I can't really pick who to pick on.

I supposed when in doubt I should just assume Wilgy is bad.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:26 pm Wilgy is my strongest civ read at this point.

How?

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:55 pm Gman is a tough one. He's been the most helpful and other members aren't mentioning him as much.

Reading back over sprityos posts, the two people that stand out to me in that are Mac and Dfaraday. I have a bit of scum read on Mac. Dfaraday I wasn't sure, but there were a few posts where sprit seemed kind of defensive / asked a few times why he was on the chopping block without saying much more.

I'm torn between them but I really need to vote before bed.

If you say I am bad and don't give a reason, I cannot defend myself.

I can't believe you guys lynched Fredwood. He was so obviously town.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 1:57 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:53 am Fredwood is still bad obviously. He scum slipped.
And you still flinched like a red headed stepchild.

Nice revisionist history though.

What dost thou mean Mr. WOOD?

Damn Epignosis your signature is annoying on mobile buddy.

Fredwood is still bad obviously. He scum slipped.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:34 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:23 am Your ping on me was based on me being right about who I voted for. You need better pings.
Now see, it's posts like these is why we can't be friends.

I gave you a meh clear, there's perfectly valid reasons for afk scum to come in and throw a vote on a teammate like that.

All my pings that you got is the chest thumping shortly after EOD after being quiet beforehand, and your reaction to me even suggesting there could be an alternate non-town motivation to your vote.

Okay bozo.

1. What's a meh clear? Is that some kind of throat lozenge?

2. You still haven't clarified this. You suggested that it was convenient that I appeared just after sprityo's flip as though to imply that I was around beforehand. You also suggested that if I was town and I was around (which you would need to be resigned to as fact to even reach this line of thought) I would have been pushing harder for my sprityo vote given that according to me I had a huge read on him (I didn't, I just trust my gut pings on early game posts and they are right 9 times out of 10 no hyperbole, I was just having some fun after the flip because I was excited).

So you are implying that I was here before the flip, by virtue of the coincidental timing of my celebratory posts, and that I am unlikely to be town because if I was, I would be pushing my sprityo votes sooner. Yet if I was Mafia and I was online before the end of day I would have had to have been being intentionally silent while sprityo got put into tie vote while my own vote which would easily be perceived as a chaos vote that meant nothing ergo could easily be moved without anyone really being able to hold it against me (and which exhibits behaviour that is demonstrably in line with both my mafia and my town meta), was still on sprityo. I simply could have moved my vote to the other person who had votes (assuming that all three of us are not Mafia friendz, which we definitely are).

So for your arguments to hold water, you would be required to believe that I was

1. Around at end of day before the lynch
2. Am Mafia
3. Intentionally threw a vote on teammate sprityo as my first post
4. Chose not to remove said vote at any time despite being able to
5. Likely a teammate of the other vote getter

Given the leaps of logic required to reach this conclusion as a genuine case I choose to believe that you didn't put any real thought into the hypothesis you were proposing lest you would have realised that it was highly improbable. This is most likely because of having an emotional reaction to my gesticulating about the flip ... probably because you were upset about said flip and feeling exposed as a result of having softly attempted to prevent the lynch of the deceased mafioso.

tl;dr u bad now faint

Your ping on me was based on me being right about who I voted for. You need better pings.

Well you see Fredwood it's because you hurt his feelings. It's okay man I don't think you've really done anything wrong but I can see how your posts could come across as emotionally driven enough to provoke an emotional response. Also you are bad.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:02 am Your posts make me feel bad. Too much aggressiveness and sarcasm. I'll stop for now. Imma just wait for you to flip.

You can blame me for that, I am just that good at trolling.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:58 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:51 am
Fredwood wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:48 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:39 am This is weird because the wagon is forming way early than usual.

But you are having such a violent meltdown that I can't possibly not vote for you. You are setting off every alarm at once, by throwing gasoline, setting them on fire, and then running around them naked and screaming.

If you're a civ this is a pretty terrible play from you. You need to learn how to chill.

But if you are bad... Yeah you also need to learn how to chill.
It's not a wagon, it's two people that I've been pressuring. Meltdown...no, I'm actually having fun. If I get mislynched it will probably be my first one in either ever, or in years, so it's a new fresh experience.
Yet you think I am flinching and having a meltdown even though all my posts reek of chill and talent. This isn't my first rodeo matus.

lol is meltdown your buzzword, or you just latching onto an existing use of it? You're flinching because you're not actually engaging the discussion you're avoiding it in a flamboyant way.

Nah Luffy used the word in scum team chat and I scumslipped by using it here.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:48 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:39 am This is weird because the wagon is forming way early than usual.

But you are having such a violent meltdown that I can't possibly not vote for you. You are setting off every alarm at once, by throwing gasoline, setting them on fire, and then running around them naked and screaming.

If you're a civ this is a pretty terrible play from you. You need to learn how to chill.

But if you are bad... Yeah you also need to learn how to chill.
It's not a wagon, it's two people that I've been pressuring. Meltdown...no, I'm actually having fun. If I get mislynched it will probably be my first one in either ever, or in years, so it's a new fresh experience.

Yet you think I am flinching and having a meltdown even though all my posts reek of chill and talent. This isn't my first rodeo matus.

You immediately moved to discredit players who voted for the dead scum guy and tried to take the mic from me when I was on FIYAHHHH. And I am still on fiyahhh and you are still bad and you did kill Long Con because he said I was probably bad and this meltdown is basically entirely because I called you out on it and you can't believe how talented I am.

Okay I just read the first three posts of your ISO Fredwood and am comfortable with your lynch. Feel free to fling your monkey poo at me but I have a level 12 forcefield and it won't affect me.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:30 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:13 am
Fredwood wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 5:53 am Yeah you did. It's about you. But its cool, avoid confrontation on your Jell-O logic.

This post confirms my suspicions about you. You are more interested in getting one over on the old Mac than genuinely finding bad guys.

Time to faint.
Nah you're just bad. At least you're putting more effort in this "push" then one post. You do realize the point of trying to push for a mislynch is that you have to actually argue with them. You're flinching so much it's sad.

Ah but Fredwood. It is you who is flinching. Because I said so.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:04 am
Fredwood wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:49 am The derpy pushback on this is questionable and I think that a DDL/Mac team is very likely at this point.
The OMGUS

We should publicly align ourselves. They would never suspect such a brash and brazen ploy.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 5:53 am Yeah you did. It's about you. But its cool, avoid confrontation on your Jell-O logic.

This post confirms my suspicions about you. You are more interested in getting one over on the old Mac than genuinely finding bad guys.

Time to faint.

Fam, I implore you to hop onto the Fredwood express and murder this guy in cold blood with me.

Fredwood wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:49 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2017 10:45 pm [

Way to dance around me unraveling your logic. Also awesome attempt at framing me with that night kill choice too.

You are still using the irrational argument that I was silent before the kill reveal and didn't change my vote off a teammate. You a crazy jesus.
You go from me saying I'm not town clearing you to me saying you're a top suspect. Defensive much. You get bent out of shape when people say they won't give you credit, and then when they say why you don't get credit you get all flustered by it and say they're scum reading you. Please, the amount of crazy you're spewing is pretty impressive.

More ad hominem...and aren't apparently grasping the issue with your vote. You miss 3 days, pull some random reason to vote for someone say literally nothing when it matters, then 3 minutes after EOD act like you did something. You could be a lucky towny on a lean, or you could be an inactive scum that wants to buy credit. For you if you're scum the best outcome for you is if Spirit get's lynched. So yeah, you're not going to switch off your teammate, but you're also not opposed to a tink lynch. You say nothing and let it go down, you've placed yourself in a win/win.

The comment about timing is interesting, because you think I mean to say you were trying to save a teammate...which is laughable, you were a null factor in the lynch, nothing you said convinced anyone to vote for Spirit. So taking credit for it minutes after eod is interesting. The derpy pushback on this is questionable and I think that a DDL/Mac team is very likely at this point.

Also at that NK analysis.

First off, how the heck does a LC kill frame you? He literally parroted a parrot. On top of that if you really did think that LC was a good target to NK to try and push the OMG Fred is trying to frame me, you're quite ridiculous. First LC was one of 5 people I was placing underneath you in order of interest, I might have even put Tink under you. Instead of killing a clear, or a pretty high clear, did you really think that killing LC was your best move to push for the mislynch? In fact most of what I was doing last night was trying to mitigate the risk to strong town reads, I cast shade on Nut and G-man with some tinfoil BS, yet you're the only one to overtly and react to it in such a egregious manner.

I LITERALLY OVER CLEARED TINK AND UNDERCLEARED EVERYONE ELSE (this includes you). The amount of mental wrangling that you and your partner had to come to NK LC is beyond me, and frankly even if I do get lynched you guys made a huge mistake killing LC.

This post is too long and I did not read it.

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