The Syndicate

dunya wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 5:40 am holy hell, opening this thread should come with a disclaimer for highly smug winners.

Young Dunya

Those banners are the best ones I have seen.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:25 pm Imo what Jay really lacked here was a Sloonei. Batman just ain't the same without Robin.

He thought I was his Robin.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:22 pm Nope. I'm not using a P-Score.

If you flake on one of my games, you're not playing another.

Totally fair. Like if you come down with a literal emergency or whatever that's different but if you just no show, it's hectic lame.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:17 pm Or, gee, I don't know, people can play games they sign up for.

Yes and what if it rained money and dirt was chocolate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:07 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 10:06 pm I was planning on mod-killing players who failed to vote for three consecutive days in the game. Nothing to do with posting or with anything but voting. Problem?

I wouldn't care for it. I think posting is a proper measure of activity and voting isn't -- unless you require voting in the rules.

It is only the lack of the civ vote that results in inactives potentially breaking the game though?

I was planning on mod-killing players who failed to vote for three consecutive days in the game. Nothing to do with posting or with anything but voting. Problem?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:57 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:51 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:49 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:46 pm I didn't shoot Epignosis because he was poking me. I just thought his play made him a decent shot to be the unlynchable mafia boss -- and if he is that, I must shoot him during the night phase.

I can't be lynched...

...so I played like that?

Come on man.

How do you play if you're unlynchable?

Why would I tell you that?

Nobody ever believes me, but I'll say it again:

My participation and what I contribute has nothing whatsoever to do with my alignment.

It has everything to do with how much time I have.

People keep saying, "Ah, Epignosis is quieter than usual." It means I'm busy. It means I can't read the thread at work. It means a hundred other things.

"Yes but Night Vale you were very quiet."

I also had a role that had an extra vote and was easily discerned, and so I knew I would be found out eventually (just as I had when I was bad and my vote counted as three in Breaking Bad).

Shooting me was foolish. Let me be lynched if I am to be removed, and if I could not be lynched, shoot me then. That move was a bad one.

People trying to figure me out on the basis of how much I'm posting is also foolish.

I try to read you based on subtle tells from reading your past Mafia games. Hasn't worked yet but I figure it's the best/only way.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:59 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:53 pm Guys, guys.

Jay said he won't revive the modkill argument but I will.

Let's start modkilling inactives.

Plz.

No. I still don't agree with this at all.

It should be a host decision no?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:51 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:49 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:46 pm I didn't shoot Epignosis because he was poking me. I just thought his play made him a decent shot to be the unlynchable mafia boss -- and if he is that, I must shoot him during the night phase.

I can't be lynched...

...so I played like that?

Come on man.

How do you play if you're unlynchable?

I play exactly as I would if I was normal scum.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:52 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 8:51 pm Every silence was actually thought through and made sense in the context of the day. Believing it to be the results of a random firing helped us immensely. I would not use that game mechanic in the future because it's really quite a nice way for scum to wifom the fuck out of useless night actions.

Dude you randomized the wolbre silence, you can't hide it. Quin even put it in blue.

Oh yeah I forgot about that one but in fairness I intentionally let that one randomise that night because I didn't have a decent target and wifomery was the best call for that night.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:45 pm If I am being honest here, I think this game was more about great mafia play than terrible civilian play. I don't look back at any of these lynches we made and say "what were we thinking?".

We didn't ignore the active players. We lynched Jack. We didn't give people a break who did things we thought were suspicious. We lynched lapluie and sprityo. The Dom and Pennywise lynches were pretty much required by the numbers anyway, so crying about those is pointless.

The mafia members were just never the most suspicious people on the board. That's the goal. Well played, well done.

I don't think the civilians were expressly terrible but in a game where the Mafia are good you still want to think that the civs can possibly win no? I am just trying to help people understand how we beat you. It's educational. If you'd rather me not then I'll happily keep it to myself.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:42 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 8:57 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 8:55 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 8:51 pm 2. Epignosis and Jay were too preoccupied in the early game with their endless dick swinging match to actually use their skills to find actual bad guys. Even my presence wasn't enough to get them to turn their eye at me instead of each other.

This isn't true. I never really suspected JJJ until after I died.

It was an act. If you read back through the thread, I never went after JJJ during the Day. Only at Night.

To keep him alive.

I knew what I was doing.

The perception is all that matters though.

I was counting on that.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 8:58 pm Whether you went to great lengths to put on a play for us to keep him alive, or whether you thought he was bad and went after him, the fact remains that you two were a huge distraction to each other and are better civs when the other is not playing.

I wasn't distracted by him. And he shot me, so I ceased being a distraction to him.

Okay. Whether I'm right or wrong leaving you two alive in the thread together worked as we intended for it to. I mean, you goading him got you shot so isn't that kind of proof positive of my point?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 9:24 pm I wish I had have tinfoiled on Jay sooner. After all our time playing together I choose this game to give him the benefit of the doubt. Maybe next time I won't be so foolish.

Still, there were three others that we could have caught and didn't. Could it be Wolbre? Under the radar all game long as a nooblet. Maybe.

Linki: Well someone did. There are four active bad guys here.

I was hoping someone would see this lol.

You tried your guts out Jay and on another day would have nailed one of us to the wall in the early game and the entire game would have been different (ie. we would have had to kill you). Several people did as well but you just happened to be the one we kept alive and/or talking because you weren't seeing us whereas some of the others were like Nova, Scotty, Jack etc.

I suppose to put it simply there was just not enough civ play. DDL and I never really got put under pressure at all until it was way too late. There is so much to be said about just pressuring people for the sake of it and it needed to happen here to get a win.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 9:01 pm I don't agree with your #3, Mac. I think that's a bad policy and would result in more failures than successes if honored.

Otherwise sure.

That's just because it means you get nerfed all the time haha.

Whether you went to great lengths to put on a play for us to keep him alive, or whether you thought he was bad and went after him, the fact remains that you two were a huge distraction to each other and are better civs when the other is not playing.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 8:55 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 8:51 pm 2. Epignosis and Jay were too preoccupied in the early game with their endless dick swinging match to actually use their skills to find actual bad guys. Even my presence wasn't enough to get them to turn their eye at me instead of each other.

This isn't true. I never really suspected JJJ until after I died.

It was an act. If you read back through the thread, I never went after JJJ during the Day. Only at Night.

To keep him alive.

I knew what I was doing.

The perception is all that matters though.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 8:45 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 8:44 pm Because how on earth could JJJ not see that Mac was buddying him all game.

If buddying is a sure-fire scumtell, then I am never a civilian.

Me buddying you and never once tinfoiling you was very much a scumtell. But I had the advantage of knowing I was a scum and you didn't. I am sure that me not tinfoiling you is the main reason Dunya thought I was bad from outside the thread.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 8:31 pm I doubt a stronger presence from me would have done us any difference.

But hey, glad I was at least right about DDL in the end... Ever the smallest consolation.



Great job mafia. This just might go down as baddie performance of the year.

I dunno bout that man. You were easy for us to push as a bad guy and it is very necessary for bad guys to have civs like that to point at that look more bad than you do.

Civs just gotta be more civ tbh.

So my intention was to win this game with both Epignosis and Jay at the end game just to see if we could. Sadly Epignosis was killed by a civ vig. The methodology I personally used this game was relatively simple. I just buddied Jay and pointed out all the bad civ play that I could and dismissed bad civ case making (even when the bad civ case making was accurate, like when I defended Wolbre). DDL and I did some very soft distancing. The main reason the civs lost this game is because:

1. Failure to lynch one of us quick enough to utilise a scum flip for clues (though it's arguable it would have helped as we didn't look very team compatible anyway).
2. Epignosis and Jay were too preoccupied in the early game with their endless dick swinging match to actually use their skills to find actual bad guys. Even my presence wasn't enough to get them to turn their eye at me instead of each other.
3. You didn't policy lynch me or vig me. Which if I was not me, I would have done on the day that Dom got lynched. I really shouldn't be left around until end game. There are certain players that should be dealt with as though they are too dangerous as scum to leave alone even if they look civ and the meta here doesn't deal with us ruthlessly enough. I am not suggesting day 1 policy lynch but if the decision is between taking a wild stab in the dark that a complete lurker like Dom or Pennywise is bad or taking a shot at Jay or myself, we are the better lynch every time. Civs have and will continue to win many games when us forceful types are removed in the early game, but if you leave us alive until the late game and we are Mafia it's foolishness.
4. Nobody ever really tried to read DDL until it was too late and when they did (Nova), we just silenced him on the critical day.
5. Too many civs disappeared entirely. Jay was right that the game was over days ago.

Every silence was actually thought through and made sense in the context of the day. Believing it to be the results of a random firing helped us immensely. I would not use that game mechanic in the future because it's really quite a nice way for scum to wifom the fuck out of useless night actions.

As for the sig kill. I chose to kill sig because I think he is a good player. He reads the game with his instinct rather than cold calculations and I cannot account for that. I would choose to go up against Jay over sig every time. Sig is a dangerous vig and he tinfoils at the drop of a hat. He makes unpredictable reads that are very often accurate. He gets mislynched so often because he plays the civ game with a reckless abandon that I think makes him a great civ. He was the most likely player in this game to remove me personally from it so he died.

When I have a second I will tell you why you lost

Wolbre is the man btw. Dad dicked Jay hard.

Stop giving them excuses

Be better y'all. That was too easy.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 9:31 pm Nah, this is just the worst game I've ever played. I'm over it though. We did everything we could in the 24 hours of Day 6 and it didn't go our way.

If there's a Day 7 I will do things. I have work I should be doing.

If you and I are both defeated as civs that were left alive all game by a Mafia team we didn't nab a single one of then I give up. You have to be bad.

Suppose he could be

I wish I had have tinfoiled on Jay sooner. After all our time playing together I choose this game to give him the benefit of the doubt. Maybe next time I won't be so foolish.

Still, there were three others that we could have caught and didn't. Could it be Wolbre? Under the radar all game long as a nooblet. Maybe.

Linki: Well someone did. There are four active bad guys here.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 9:18 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 9:17 pm This is my guess. I imagine we were just totally Jimmied. He caught sus all game and just pied pipered us to Heck.

That's something I accepted was probably happening days ago.

If not you in my list then who, LC? Just proclaiming Jay as town and noping suspicion on him blatant as fuck like? Wolbre?

Perhaps Kylemvp?

LC why are you so adamant Jay is town? The time for funzy posts is over.

We should assume the game isn't over and keep hunting.

Marmot
DDL
INH
Jay

This is my guess. I imagine we were just totally Jimmied. He caught sus all game and just pied pipered us to Heck.

Nova you can talk now btw

How intriguing

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 8:54 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 8:53 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 8:50 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 8:48 pm well we could've won if we, y'know, lynched mafioso instead of random inactives, but I'm glad your strict mentality has remained unshook

linki: Yes.

Lynching four mafia members without 2 civilian votes and only a 1-player edge is mathematically impossible. The game was over days ago.

So you're saying that Marmot is Mafia. Got it. Cold comfort for me.

I'm saying it doesn't matter who's mafia. The civilians cannot win without all of their votes in a game decided by a 1-player edge. No matter what we do, we cannot defeat math itself.

I disagree. The game is not over yet. There are too non Mafia roles in play with secrets. Maybe the secrets will save us.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 8:50 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 8:48 pm well we could've won if we, y'know, lynched mafioso instead of random inactives, but I'm glad your strict mentality has remained unshook

linki: Yes.

Lynching four mafia members without 2 civilian votes and only a 1-player edge is mathematically impossible. The game was over days ago.

So you're saying that Marmot is Mafia. Got it. Cold comfort for me.

Oh. Joy.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 8:32 pm I scoured over LC's posts, and I am getting more of his resigned-effort civilian vibe of recent memory than something more sinister.

I think we made the best decision I was able to come up with. That's all we can ask for in any lynch.

He said the thing!

Marmot
Long Con
Jay
DDL

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 8:23 pm

Spoiler: show

it doesn't make a difference if we make it or no
we've got each other and that's a lot, for love, we'll give it a shot

I love you.

So we voting for Pennywise then?

And what if Nova is the civ? Nova, the silenced guy who is voting his heart out?

Marmot can be connected with anyone. Anyone can be connected with anyone. We are reading this game poorly. Marmot is the scummiest player in the game by far. If we lose today and he is still alive how dumb would that be? Can you say that about anyone else?

This is a dilly of a pickle.

We should do a Magic the Gathering themed game.

This is juicy. I am highly engaged.

You think his contributions today make him look bad?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:20 am JJJ
~ Kyle
~ Mac

Mac
~ JJJ
~ wolbre

LC
~ Kyle
~ Mac

Kyle
~ LC
~ Mac

wolbre
~ Mac
~ Kyle

Marmot
~ LC
~ wolbre

With 6 names here I will proceed, but I still want everyone. I'm not saying what I'm doing with this yet.

I am the only one who has Jay in their top two?

I still think there is enough smoke there for me to think LC is one of the role activators. I'm not voting for him.

Oh I never read it that way?

Also I don't think that rules anything out?

Let's say he activated a certain player then next night Epi is shot and killed. He's going to assume the player used the vig straight away. Hence why he's not totally sure of things, but is pretty sure.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:15 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:15 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:13 am Naegi Makoto doesn't know what roles he activates.

Who?

blue haired kid

Nagisa Shiota: The central character and figurehead of Class 3-E. He may help a trusted player (as opposed to a student) unlock their latent ability during each night phase. *Secrets*

His name is Nagisa no?

Also where does it say he doesn't know what roles he activates?