The Syndicate

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:59 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:57 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:56 pm mom, mac is doing the thing again

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:58 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:58 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:57 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:56 pm My legacy is like just do what all the nerds leading say.

Does that really need to be said though?

Lol wow

Sorry I shouldn't pick apart your last words.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:57 pm if i die then PLEASE remember that i'm gay

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:57 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:56 pm My legacy is like just do what all the nerds leading say.

Does that really need to be said though?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:56 pm mom, mac is doing the thing again

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:55 pm Just in case: Jay is lock town. Mac is lock town. Strawhenge is close to lock town. RYMcore.
SPF and Alison are both comfortable town reads. I have not got there on Hally/tutuu yet. I remain mildly skeptical of that slot.

Bo and KZA probably not on Team Marmot, at the very least.

I don't have much more in the way of comprehensive reads this game yet. Hopefully the mafiers give me more time.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:54 pm Town pile
Alison*
Esooa
falcon45ca
MacDougall
Oddmerta*
Sloonei
Strawhenge
*reassess this interplay if and only if there is no appropriate explanation for future life, let them sort themselves

Close enough pile
BoKnows
staypositivefriend
Hally/tutuu

Backup POE pool
fingersplints
Justplayingitcool
Michelle

POE pool
Dom
KZA
Long Con
Nanook
tedxtr
TonyStarkPrime

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:54 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:54 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:53 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:53 pm how many deaths we about to get?

i think 3

What makes you think 3?

2 wolf factional kills and a town vigi, maybe

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:44 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:42 pm

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:41 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:32 pm

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:28 pm Pie chart new meta

What device do you use to play maphier?

A graphics calculator

Im curious rly

Phone and tablet

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:39 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:39 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:38 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:36 pm When the 49ers draft Justin Fields the NFL will be at the mercy of the red and gold for the next two decades.

SEND JIMMY G BACK HOME BABY

One Gilmore plz

Sorry in advance when they draft Mac Jones

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:41 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:32 pm

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:28 pm Pie chart new meta

What device do you use to play maphier?

A graphics calculator

BoKnows wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:39 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:37 pm Tom Brady has won more Super Bowls in his 40s than the entire state of Ohio.

ohio has the rajai davis homerun and lebrons ring.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:38 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:36 pm When the 49ers draft Justin Fields the NFL will be at the mercy of the red and gold for the next two decades.

SEND JIMMY G BACK HOME BABY

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:37 pm Tom Brady has won more Super Bowls in his 40s than the entire state of Ohio.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:37 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:35 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:33 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:37 pm Wait, what's IC again?

I remember now, it's Innocent Child.

Thanks for the assist, no one.

Bruh why u gotta be mad sour. U wanna go steady bikkboiiiii?

I don't know what that manga word is... but no thank you.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:36 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:34 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:33 pm How does Joe Burrow represent boxed in scum?

he is boxed in because he's on the bengals and therefore can't win.

if the browns can turn it around anyone can turn it around

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:34 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:33 pm How does Joe Burrow represent boxed in scum?

who dey think gonna beat dem bengals noooooooooobody

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okay maybe everybody

it's the chant the Saints fans stole from us

I hate the saints.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:33 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:37 pm Wait, what's IC again?

I remember now, it's Innocent Child.

Thanks for the assist, no one.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:31 pm i'm so relaxed i'm posting from a spa rn, getting a massage

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:28 pm Pie chart new meta

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:25 pm I know I'm just the asshole but seriously, multiball assumption tells us that we can't clear players as easily based on scumhunting. I thought everyone agreed on that.

I love Bo's charts, send him to the Championship by all means, but can someone who is clearing Bo in this game for them explain it to me please?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:20 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:19 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:28 pm I see the wolves are boxed in and saying the most insane shit possible to stir up chaos in the thread so townies can't coordinate and be productive. It's a busy day for me today so good luck with that. I will assign Jay to keep the thread sane.

Who dey

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Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:17 pm lol i just remembered radishes was the Canucks backup last year and I was ours and we ended up finishing 1 & 2.

so yeah, universal backups are where it's at.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:13 pm Sorry about that strange double post, my phone made me believe that it didn't post the first time

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:12 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:03 pm Yeah I mean I gave it?

Looks like we praised the same moment. Okay then.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:24 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:21 pm I don't know if I can believe that BoKnows opens a role PM with red lettering and proceeds to do something like this.

That's all it takes? Even if he's on the non-Marmot team?

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:16 pm I townread Sloonei's ISO of Marmot.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:44 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:09 pm You know that the next question is.

Oddmerta, fingersplints, you, Hally (as tutuu), Michelle, JJJ... those are the ones I can remember having some little doubts about. Least suspected would be Joseph, Strawhenge, falcon. That's just off the top of my head, the players I can remember reading a post and thinking good thoughts or bad ones.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:31 pm Interactions: Marmot and Nanook

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Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:27 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:25 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:24 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:22 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:19 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:17 pm

I'm confirmed town jay thinks you're mafia tsp thinks Jay is mafia

Thats the important bits

Cool cool, what do you think of Jay and myself? And also TSP?

Not reading until d3/4, idk, my mac impersonation says hes mafia

Which one?

Its in the order you asked

Oooooh, I thought that was a full sentence in which you yourself were not going to read the game at all until then, then said Idk, then randomly said "he's mafia"

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:27 pm I got a red peek on Nanook btw

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:01 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:52 am I can't ignore the possibility that Jay decided he wants to hold the record for most posts in a scum game but outside of that edge case hes probably just town

JJJ probably wants that record for every alignment if we're being honest.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:02 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:57 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:54 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:17 pm My list of 9 goes as such, and I will only expand on a player when asked/prompted.


Alison, Al Sam, nanook, tutuu, LC, Marmot, Ted, Michelle TSP

All of them please.

How would you rank those 9 names?

I can't rank them because I have no read on several of them, but the ones that I do have input on:


Nanook - slight scum
tutuu - slight scum
TSP - town

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:10 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:03 am @Marmot could you elaborate on those nanook and tutuu reads?

Tutuu's been an active presence in the thread, but changing her reads on a whim.

Nanook said he's not going to read JJJ until Day 3-4, but he's made multiple posts like [url[https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 91#p760791]this one[/url] and this one that look like mild attempts at shade.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:16 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:14 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:10 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:03 am @Marmot could you elaborate on those nanook and tutuu reads?

Tutuu's been an active presence in the thread, but changing her reads on a whim.

Nanook said he's not going to read JJJ until Day 3-4, but he's made multiple posts like [url[https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 91#p760791]this one[/url] and this one that look like mild attempts at shade.

I believe the second one is the opposite of shade. Someone (esooa?) had made the argument that Jay was "tryharding" and that that meant he was mafia. Nanook was shooting that down, I think.

I see that now. I noticed the first one when I was reading the thread earlier, but spotted the second one when searching his iso for it.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:34 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:15 am marmot, when you get the chance, do you mind quickly breaking down your reads for me? just hearing your view of the game rn would be helpful for me

Sure. I'm about to go to bed, but here's where I'm at.

I think some of the players who are steering the thread and maintaining a cohesive, team-oriented approach are town. This includes JJJ and Sloonei. There are probably other such active players that I haven't had the chance to interact with, but these two are standouts.

Tutuu has been high activity, but low commitment to her reads, I don't think there's much sincerity behind it. I can dig into it tomorrow to see if I still feel that way.

I've already explained my read of you. Some good posts. One icky post.

Nanook is in a slightly similar boat, one post that I didn't care for, but overall has been fine. I expressed suspicion of him earlier, but when I think about it, I'd expect more slanking from him as mafia.

TSP and Bo I think are town due to volume and content. Bo in particular seems extremely comfortable and fluid here to an extent that I've never seen from himn, and he's been the Day 1 yeet in multiple recent games.


These are the players that have stood out to me thus far. Thanks for asking, this was a useful exercise for me too

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:50 pm I copped Nanook N0

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:05 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:01 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:00 pm [VOTE: Al] aubergine

This is the best of the current wagons.

Do you genuinely believe Al is the scummiest active wagon or is this self pres?

Also this wording implies there is someone who you'd rather see exed over Al but who isn't an active wagon. Who is it?

It is both.

I've seen reasons for both Ted and TSP to be town. Al on the other hand posted an awkward readlist yesterday and not much since then.


If this game happens to be multi-ball, Nanook and spf should be given another look. They were both suspicions I had earlier on before they claimed mason.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:10 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:39 am Jay sloonei tutu bo fingers all town

Falcon seemed kinda townie so ill roll with that, im also masons with spf

Joseph idk he might be town

I need what two more or three?

Maybe it was a joke, but this is the post I'm referring to

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:12 pm I didn't realize they were joking about it earlier, I thought it was an attempt from Nanook to shield spf, because at the time, she was taking a lot of heat.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:15 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:12 pm I didn't realize they were joking about it earlier, I thought it was an attempt from Nanook to shield spf, because at the time, she was taking a lot of heat.

I was also a mason in my last game and did not claim it in the thread. It led to a disastrous situation where my partner was almost yeeted and I had to vote someone I thought was town to save him.

The most telling stuff to me is in orange. We can play wifom all day if we want, but I don't care about that. This looks like a read by Marmot, one that he is actually entertaining. That he had to clarify himself and acknowledge that Nanook and/or SPF could have been joking sells that effectively. If Marmot thinks Nanook and SPF might be teamed in a multiball scenario, then Nanook is not on his team (and nor is SPF). If you, dear reader, would prefer to be more careful with this take, I don't blame you. But it's my perspective.

Red stuff: I absolutely do not care about this. I think it would be a fool's errand to interpret Marmot, more than perhaps any other player on The Syndicate, on the basis of stuff like this.

Green stuff: I am referring to the entire exchange starting with this green post. It's a soft interaction, so I say this cautiously, but I think it looks like Marmot being inquisitive with Nanook more than it looks like Marmot using Nanook as an excuse to Make Posts (in a way suggestive of a "hunt").

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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:05 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:04 am Not only am I mafia, but I am on all of the mafia teams.

So much power, uwu

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:25 pm Its a good read and it says good things about Marmot but idk how much it applies here

It's a wet fart from Nanook's side. There are more posts, but they're all directly related to what I have already covered.

Overall I would lean away from associating Nanook with Marmot. I'd be more comfortable with that if Nanook had given me something more of substance to solidify that perspective. With what I have though, I'd lean toward doubt. Nanook could still fit well enough into a general POE just for his posts on their own power, so those who suspect him aren't necessarily at odds with me. We just may have different reasons.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:28 pm I see the wolves are boxed in and saying the most insane shit possible to stir up chaos in the thread so townies can't coordinate and be productive. It's a busy day for me today so good luck with that. I will assign Jay to keep the thread sane.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:22 pm Well my thought just opened up the flood gates for more thoughts. Esooa or Alison (90% sure it was one of these two) mentioned how scum should hardshield town more often. I wouldn't be shocked if this was the case, but if that is the case I got Odd and Alison reads backwards... Thoughts on that situation?

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:15 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:14 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:27 am

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:26 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:21 am Also probably TMI slip.

?

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:07 amAll the townies in the thread were excited by the flip and subsequent revelations, and immediately set to work solving...

Cmon man rly

I don't believe in everything you say either.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:27 am

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:26 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:21 am Also probably TMI slip.

?

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:07 amAll the townies in the thread were excited by the flip and subsequent revelations, and immediately set to work solving...

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:05 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:57 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:56 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:31 pm Reminder to KC Mafia that you need to shoot Gerhardt Mafia, or you're going to get well over half the hunting focus for the foreseeable future. Good luck.

I'm quite sure they're not that worried.

What makes you say that?

Because half the thread is already patting themselves on the back, thinking they struck gold with the usual tired old Long Con suspicion.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:13 pm

An Analysis of Marmot's Mentions

Earlier today I finished my analytics course so I thought it would be nice to do something analytically to celebrate. This is a basic breakdown of Marmot's posts and how he mentioned every single one of us. I went through Marmot's ISO and counted the number of times he quoted someone, and mentioned someone in one of his posts. I then categorized every single one of Martin's mentions into three categories; Null, Town, and Scum.

I categorized something a "Town" post/mention when Marmot labelled you as a town-read/lean, defended you, or gave you props for one of your posts.
I categorized something a "Scum" post/mention when Marmot scum read you, disliked what you were saying, or voted for you.
Null is everything else

It is important to keep in mind that the data doesn't fully account for sarcasm and tone. If Marmot said "I think BoKnows is scum for posting twice in a row", I would count that as a scum post. These numbers also do not show the progression of Marmots reads. These are just raw numbers that will visualize Marmot's interactions. In my opinion, these graphs will be best paired with all the analyses Jay already did.

Complete Overview

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Individual Breakdown
*Disclaimer: if you can't find a certain player all of their posts were considered null

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:03 pm Some general sentiments I wish to promote in case I drop dead:

This game has been chugging along nicely in a pro-civilian direction, and that's a credit to the efforts of many people. However, I do feel as though this thread has often been one or two steps away from derailing, perhaps sometimes due to deliberate efforts by wrongdoers but not necessarily in every instance. It has been my charge to keep the ship afloat and to keep the atmosphere of this thread appropriate for level heads and productive hunting. If I am dead, the primary agent behind that effort will be gone.

With that in mind: @MacDougall, @Alison, @falcon45ca, and @Esooa -- for the civilians among you that outlive me, please consider how your own behavior can influence that climate. Some players may wish to incite madness, innocently or not, but each of you has a role to play in ensuring that cannot be successful. The most obvious means toward achieving that is to reign in the instincts you may feel to present yourself as authoritarian or as a military commander. This can foster resentment in others which then itself leads to inordinate paranoia and unwillingness to cooperate. This doesn't mean you must be democratic, but it does mean you must treat everyone in the game, in spirit, the way that you would treat them outside the game -- including your suspects. I do not intend this as a lecture, and I have no doubt y'all can be effective in this way. I am saying it anyway because I will not be able to say it when I am dead, and it would be frustrating to watch things devolve to a less promising state for no good reason when I am a corpse. I choose each of you because I think these notions apply more directly to you.

@Sloonei, @staypositivefriend, and @Hally -- for the civilians among you that outlive me, I see you as the next line of defense of sanity and rationality. By that I mean that you will carry yourselves with aplomb, but you will also remain vigilantly skeptical when it is reasonable to be vigilantly skeptical. Each of you plays your own way, and you do so very well. I do think though that if I am dead, there will still be a solving void left where I stood. I think each of you could easily fill that void straightaway, especially if you work together to do so. Sloonei, this is especially important for you, because if I am to die any time soon, I will have done so without leaving a clear, irrefutable strong town read on you. That will not put you in a position you would prefer. You'll have to cover that ground on your own with accelerated solving.

@Strawhenge and @fingersplints -- for the civilians among you that outlive me, you are in decent shape for the time being. Strawhenge especially enjoys a position of broad trust, and fingersplints is at least given decent space to work without constant suspicions. Be aware though that under the circumstances, there's a very good chance each of you will outlive most or all of the people most dedicated to promoting your innocence. And if/when that happens, you will be magnets for b/s. You'll need to be ready for that, and also ready to engage your engines with the most reasonably assertive hunt you can manage. Because you'd be in charge, in a worst- or bad-case scenario, with no shortage of enemies trying to capitalize on your rustiness.

For everyone else, keep the pedal to the metal and we'll be just fine. Half or maybe even most of you ought to be civilians in a multiple-mafia-teams world, and in the end the game may fall to you. That encourages me, because I know the civilians among you will play to win.

Thanks for listening to my irritating pseudo-legacy post. I make it because I think you're all super and respect what you offer.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:05 pm Interactions: Marmot and TonyStarkPrime

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Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:49 pm I want tutuu fanfics about TSPF

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:19 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:17 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:34 pmWhat'd I miss?

I'm confirmed town jay thinks you're mafia tsp thinks Jay is mafia

Thats the important bits

Cool cool, what do you think of Jay and myself? And also TSP?

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:44 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:57 pm actual read: some of your posts this game have given me the impression that you're doing a sloonei impersonation

Didn't JJJ teach Sloonei everything he knows?

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:12 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:10 pm Marmot should be where I am right now but instead I'm playing marmot and marmot is gone

I don't understand what you mean here.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:34 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:29 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:22 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:13 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:10 pm Marmot should be where I am right now but instead I'm playing marmot and marmot is gone

ok in between where I was reading this and then this marmot showed back up but this remains true

Why should Marmot be where you're at right now? Translate

in all of the games I've played with Marmot recently where he was town, he took the position of a high posting contrarian. in fallout he got into a big fight with sloonei etc.. In this game, on the other hand, he's posted rather little (that can be explained by other factors) and while in the thread largely followed the town leaders as far as I can tell. This strikes me as off.

You may or may not have also noticed, but I've made a habit of participating very little in most of Day 0 and early Day 1 before really engaging games, mainly for my own sanity and ability to keep up with a game over multiple days.

Am I really that much of a contrarian? I wouldn't have described myself as such.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:02 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:57 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:54 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:17 pm My list of 9 goes as such, and I will only expand on a player when asked/prompted.


Alison, Al Sam, nanook, tutuu, LC, Marmot, Ted, Michelle TSP

All of them please.

How would you rank those 9 names?

I can't rank them because I have no read on several of them, but the ones that I do have input on:


Nanook - slight scum
tutuu - slight scum
TSP - town

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:34 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:15 am marmot, when you get the chance, do you mind quickly breaking down your reads for me? just hearing your view of the game rn would be helpful for me

Sure. I'm about to go to bed, but here's where I'm at.

I think some of the players who are steering the thread and maintaining a cohesive, team-oriented approach are town. This includes JJJ and Sloonei. There are probably other such active players that I haven't had the chance to interact with, but these two are standouts.

Tutuu has been high activity, but low commitment to her reads, I don't think there's much sincerity behind it. I can dig into it tomorrow to see if I still feel that way.

I've already explained my read of you. Some good posts. One icky post.

Nanook is in a slightly similar boat, one post that I didn't care for, but overall has been fine. I expressed suspicion of him earlier, but when I think about it, I'd expect more slanking from him as mafia.

TSP and Bo I think are town due to volume and content. Bo in particular seems extremely comfortable and fluid here to an extent that I've never seen from himn, and he's been the Day 1 yeet in multiple recent games.


These are the players that have stood out to me thus far. Thanks for asking, this was a useful exercise for me too

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:39 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:36 am

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:34 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:04 am Not only am I mafia, but I am on all of the mafia teams.

@TonyStarkPrime this sounds like Simone Gerhardt

Y’ain’t wrong

What is this?

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:05 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:01 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:00 pm [VOTE: Al] aubergine

This is the best of the current wagons.

Do you genuinely believe Al is the scummiest active wagon or is this self pres?

Also this wording implies there is someone who you'd rather see exed over Al but who isn't an active wagon. Who is it?

It is both.

I've seen reasons for both Ted and TSP to be town. Al on the other hand posted an awkward readlist yesterday and not much since then.


If this game happens to be multi-ball, Nanook and spf should be given another look. They were both suspicions I had earlier on before they claimed mason.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:12 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:11 pm I still think tsp is most suspicious, but I think Marmot doesn’t look great, and I’m ok with that lynch as well. A lot of my suspicion of tsp stems from their talk of Marmot such as suspecting jay for voting their before calling their read on Marmot null and finally moving their vote their abruptly.

What about Al?

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:29 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:27 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:25 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:24 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:22 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:21 pm who town reads odd and why? i think his iso is kind of atrocious but i dunno if it’s like... twtbaw or something

Alison has shielded him hard. He's gotten less strong support from Mac, Nanook, Sloonei, and I think a couple others.

@Alison @MacDougall @Sloonei @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME why?

His early Day 0/1 reads were silly and outrageous to the point that I think a wolf would be more conscious about trying to fit in than he was being.

have you ever heard the legend of chop chop the wolf

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:00 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:58 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:58 pm There's no way Mac has my role, I'm confused as hell rn, are you being serious?

no he's not being serious smh your fake claim is safe

Your theory about multiball is correct.

A lot of this is rather bland, but I highlight one thing that stands out (actually the entire exchange ending with the orange bits). Tony rendered an accusation upon Marmot that's pretty nuanced and Tony-like, and Marmot's answer has a tone of acquiescence that doesn't strike me as the stuff of teammates. It reads like someone treading carefully in the face of suspicion from a source they may not have anticipated.

The very last post there could just tell the whole story on its own too for those willing to brave the wifom. I probably am willing.

From TonyStarkPrime

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TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 8:56 pm A few things have thrown me off from the beginning but his current vote for Marmot is something that inclines me to think that way as well. I also just don't think his iso is carrying the proper tone and I'm wondering if his read on sloonei was developed improperly. He also also seems hesistant to say things that I wouldn't usually think he'd be hesitant to say. I did like the post he made where he talked about sloonei/jay mutual TRs and how seriously they're taken or something though idk

this is probably just the usual day 1 jay tinfoil but that's where I'm at

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:49 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:48 pm Was there a verdict on the multiball discussion? That's the only thing I remember from yesterday

no one's step forward and declared otherwise so I'm currently leaning "we'll know when we know"

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:54 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:53 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:49 pm Hesistate is perhaps bad word choice. I think you've been reticent more than I recall. Your views on tutuu (and your interaction on the subject with bo) and marmot seem weird

What are your own views on tutuu and Marmot? What were they when you initially stated your suspicion of me?

I had no read on marmot and thought it was weird that you picked up on (nanook?s) suspicion. I have a light TR on tutuu and did at that time as well, same as you.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:27 am Hell, vote:marmot

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:08 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:31 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:28 pm Tsp - gut read but the exchange with him and odd was peculiar a couple of pages which I didn’t really understand. His read on you which fingersplints brought up implied he had a bigger read on marmot than just null

This is worth exploring. @TonyStarkPrime please tell me about Marmot.

wolf I guess

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:40 pm im not sure if me and marmot have ever been t/t actually, at least since I returned

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:43 am 1. Falcon - no
2. Tedextr - yes
3. Nanook - yes but lol
4. Odd - no cause shield
5. Sloonei - no
6. Esooa - no
7. Strawhenge - maybe?
8. JaggedJimmyJay - no
9. Staypositivefriend - no (don’t do it)
10. KZA - no but lol
11. MacDougall - no
12. Dom - probably not but I want to
13. Marmot - yes but we shouldn’t
14. TSP - no
15. Long Con - yes but we shouldn’t
16. Fingersplints - probably not idk
17. Tutuu - no
18. JPIC - yes but we shouldn’t
19. Michelle - yes
20. Alison -no
21. BoKnows -no
22. Al Sama -yes but D1 shield


So one of those like two names idk I’m starting to agree with tutuu on the gamestate

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:49 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:47 am Why are there three "yes but we shouldn't" names in there?

JPIC’s town, LC’s town, Marmot is maybe a wolf but probably should be given time to fall into familiar patterns / start solving

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:20 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:12 pm @TonyStarkPrime why ted

I'd prefer to chop Ted over Marmot given that I feel that I have a better idea of Marmot's patterns and I think Marmot has done more marginally towny things. I don't really care about al sama.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:31 pm The tsp poe:

2. Tedextr
9. Staypositivefriend
10. KZA
12. Dom
13. Marmot
15. Long Con
19. Michelle
21. BoKnows
22. Al Sama

all wolves are included in these nine names and maybe JPIC.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:35 pm TSP's ordered poe:

1) long con
2) Bo
3) SPF
4) Michelle
5) KZA
6) Marmot
7) Al Sama
8) Ted

unr: dom

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:39 pm Marmot has moved up one slot in the official tsp ranked poe.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:45 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:36 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:34 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:33 pm
i dislike this POE because i am in it

I dislike that this is your first post in an hour and a half

Not everyone can 400 post on Day 1 and post at a higher frequency than that

Bo I liked this particular post from marmot, which Jay thinks (correctly) has no reason to exist

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:51 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:49 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:45 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:36 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:34 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:33 pm
i dislike this POE because i am in it

I dislike that this is your first post in an hour and a half

Not everyone can 400 post on Day 1 and post at a higher frequency than that

Bo I liked this particular post from marmot, which Jay thinks (correctly) has no reason to exist

Please connect the dots to complete the logic. Why do you like it?

This post and the next few fit into my preconceived notion of what town Marmot should be like. If Marmot were a wolf, why would he post something like this? It could be to defend SPF or something, or to defend himself from a perceived shot, but no. Marmot is a high poster who doesn't often face accusations of slanking. It appears to be a general feeling and not one that a wolf would find necessary to share with the class.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:54 pm but also yes marmot claim

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:58 pm might switch to marmot idk I sorta get the feeling marmot just got townspewed by straw

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:58 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:58 pm There's no way Mac has my role, I'm confused as hell rn, are you being serious?

no he's not being serious smh your fake claim is safe

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:59 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:58 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:58 pm might switch to marmot idk I sorta get the feeling marmot just got townspewed by straw

wolfy as fuck

you just said al sama was town and i say marmot is town so now what

Well this is a hot mess. It's almost humorous how this progresses from "sure, whatever" to "okay cool" to "oh. well? uh" to "OH my." to "YIKES"

Tony could not have made himself look worse at EOD. Ironically it's kinda similar to Strawhenge in that one can argue "why defend Marmot when he's going over", and that's valid to a point. I do think Tony is strictly worse here than Straw was, and he is going to have to contend with that. Now it needs to be made clear that this isn't all of Tony's Marmot-related posts. Many of them are contained in the previous spoiler, and those generally work to Tony's credit.

So with the rest of this it's a classic case of "Is Tony a blatant-ass teammate, or did he engage in severe derping at a very unfortunate time?"

I want to answer with the latter. That he went after Strawhenge as a pro-Marmot motion makes that harder for me. It is just such a bad take in my view. Aaaaaauuuuugggggggghhhhhhhh

@MacDougall you seemed assured that they're not teammed, so it'd be swell to get your specific perspective. With a gun to my head I call Tony a Not Kansas City Mafia. I do not claim confdience.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:08 am probably not w/w with marmot

spf
michelle
boknows
hally

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:12 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:07 am Alison baiting the shit out of the NK lol

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:24 pm Mac why is Falcon high on the Marmot POE list?