The Syndicate

Tsk tsk tryna throw by voting for ppl.

Look @Gavial we chose right.

Hooray!

Made wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:07 pm imo, it's not Esooa, if there is it's Mac or Gavial.

If there is a trator, they want us to vote sleep, but they don't want to seem too eagar to vote sleep. Gav and Mac both fit that MO

You don't even go here!

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:42 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:39 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:38 am
Creature wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:08 am Thinking would be better we all lose than see someone here win as traitor.
Yeah... there is Definitely a traitor because the 2 kills don’t really make sense as RNG.
Evidently the kills were never rng. They're a spectator.
Wait a spectator chooses the kills if there is no traitor?

Lol. Yes that's what it says.

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:41 am Although I think it’s more like 60% Esooa and 40% No Traitor

I fear you may be right.

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:39 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:38 am If we vote Esooa and we are in traitorless we threw a 50% chance of winning on your tunnel read. Do you think you can persuade that outcome. Really? I fucking admire the hustle.
Creature would have done that.
Creature would have took the risk.
Shouldn’t we carry out his legacy?

Not necessarily?

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:38 am
Creature wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:08 am Thinking would be better we all lose than see someone here win as traitor.
Yeah... there is Definitely a traitor because the 2 kills don’t really make sense as RNG.

Evidently the kills were never rng. They're a spectator.

Look the man has a point. Fortunately this is a democracy and we can vote to decide.

If we vote Esooa and we are in traitorless we threw a 50% chance of winning on your tunnel read. Do you think you can persuade that outcome. Really? I fucking admire the hustle.

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:32 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:08 am If this were a poker hand I think sleep wins 75% or more here. Esooa is probably the only person I'd be annoyed at losing to. Anyone else would get mild applause. Esooa at least I would be unsurprised in an annoyed way. Still impressed all the same lol.
I’d be sad because I was voting them this entire game and no one else.

And I'd feel bad for you.

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:30 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:54 am if it makes anyone feel better you can blame me if we lose
I blame you for now CFDing Esooa instead of yeeting CRichard.

He seemed like the most awkward and uncomfortable with his words though.

If this were a poker hand I think sleep wins 75% or more here. Esooa is probably the only person I'd be annoyed at losing to. Anyone else would get mild applause. Esooa at least I would be unsurprised in an annoyed way. Still impressed all the same lol.

In fact given I am probably down to less than half the remaining players even feeling plausible as the traitor based on their own townslipping I maybe should actually feel confident that there isn't one let alone comfortable flipping the coin.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:02 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:53 am we could have won in traitor rand if we randed an obvious level 0 player or just all tried super super hard but neither of those things occurred so we flip the coin now
We could try as super-hard as we want, all it would take from the Traitor is to try a little bit.

you are probably correct

if it makes anyone feel better you can blame me if we lose

we could have won in traitor rand if we randed an obvious level 0 player or just all tried super super hard but neither of those things occurred so we flip the coin now

in fact this outcome was inevitable upon not finding the traitor on the prior two days

the game ultimately is two days of very low odds rng and then a day of pure coinflip

there is no indicator strong enough to argue

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:45 pm OK, let's get going here.

Anyone got any good reason why I shouldn't be paranoid there's a Traitor?

there probably is

but mathematically we have to vote sleep

because at the start of the game it was 50/50

and right now any option aside from sleep is much worse odds than sleep

we can't do anything but sleep

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:09 am I am confirmed town because I have been doing a gimmicky thing of repeating the exact message "I am town" and I always do those things a town before I do them as mafia so I can set up meta to justify myself when I do them as mafia

ok

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:18 am It’s either Esooa!Scum or No Traitor.
I’m not sure which it is.

ironically same

[VOTE: sleep] aubergine

@Alison you have to update the poll deadline

the fact that you are doing so bad at convincing me you are town makes me think that you are

But you are such a hectic omgusser as town....

I think ignoring someone like Gavial coming at you is kinda scummy. You know he's prone to just dropping it cuz he's chaotic. Engaging him just feeds him and is risky. Ignoring him runs the risk of him being mafia though so there is a tendency there. Engaging Gavial when he suspects you is townie because doing so aligns to your town wincon. Ignoring him aligns to a scum one.

Creature wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:44 am
Creature wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:43 am I think atp I'm fine allowing any of Esooa, Mac, LC and LoMo to win if one of them is a traitor. That should leave Made, falcon and Gavial?
Meh, looking at this list maybe it is indeed traitorless

is that so sir? articulate.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:44 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:43 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:42 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:42 am @lost monkey why did you vote creature d2?

@Esooa why have you ignored Gavial pushing you?
do you think I give a single fuck about any gavial reads lol
why do you ignore an agent of chaos trying to string you up?
do you know Gavial?

dodged my question two times in a row

yes I do. what of?

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:42 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:38 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:36 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:35 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:31 am well if you're town mafia is proibably lomo or no one
why is LC, Creature etc. etc. etc. town?
easy tone reads. Only thing creature has done is show up EoD1 and actually care. The rest are just easy reads though tbh
Whaaaat. How is this ever real?
you got a problem?

Part of me considers you the most suspect person by far and the other part considers you as worthy of just letting skate.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:42 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:42 am @lost monkey why did you vote creature d2?

@Esooa why have you ignored Gavial pushing you?
do you think I give a single fuck about any gavial reads lol

why do you ignore an agent of chaos trying to string you up?

Creature wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:42 am I think this game has delved into: who we don't want to win as traitor?

its a consideration but if that's what it becomes we will lose to the real one

@lost monkey why did you vote creature d2?

@Esooa why have you ignored Gavial pushing you?

Which of gavial and made have had the more towny reads and attempts to solve?

Gavial right?

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:40 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:38 am Esooa has been efforting hard
what..?

comparatively

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:40 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:39 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:38 am I decided that creature was town at some point, and I am not likely to go back on that, given the scarcity of reads in this game.
Fine. Creature will live.
I'll take that one. That one's on me.

How can you ever know anything for sure about the gavial?

I'm prone to thunderdoming Gavial and Made here.

I forgot about Gavial. Thoughts on Gavial?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:38 am I decided that creature was town at some point, and I am not likely to go back on that, given the scarcity of reads in this game.

Fine. Creature will live.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:36 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:35 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:31 am well if you're town mafia is proibably lomo or no one
why is LC, Creature etc. etc. etc. town?
easy tone reads. Only thing creature has done is show up EoD1 and actually care. The rest are just easy reads though tbh

Whaaaat. How is this ever real?

I have been pinged by everyone in the game at some point except for Creature and LoMo. The two played with actual (albeit lame) reasons to be scumread.

Esooa has been efforting hard but apparently didn't even read the OP properly. I guess that's kinda townie.

@Made @Long Con @falcon45ca reads on each other?

LoMo is probably not the traitor specifically because they've allowed themselves to become a 9 posting LHF. They aren't that bad of a slanker.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:31 am well if you're town mafia is proibably lomo or no one

why is LC, Creature etc. etc. etc. town?

Creature wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:33 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:29 am Ah I thought the kill was rng. I guess if the spec player would want town to lose then the Seanzie kill makes sense.

I suppose they would want that.

Which makes the game kind of silly. We have a wolf killing that isn't a wolf and can't win.
I have a theory it must be a traitor kill but I don't want to spoil it before the N2 kill. It all depends that the spec player actively wants town to not sleep D3.

If there was a spectator in the game they probably would kill me >rand just because I am annoying and play too much and deserve to die.

@Alison any chance you can put ISOs somewhere. I am phone posting so I can't view them otherwise.

Seanzie wanted Creature dead. Thats a thing.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:27 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:27 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:25 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:25 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:22 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:12 am Lol we have a person with literally 9 posts.

I have been slanking like never before and still have the 4th highest post count.

This game has been disrespected. I feel bad for the host.

If I am the traitor I kill Lost Monkey because it will make it look like rng.
yeh I tried to do stuff day 1 but no one cared
Ok I care now. The game is smaller and should be easier to read.
then explain your problem with me
I already did and the post you just quoted doesn't have anything to do with that. My problem with you was when you said sleep or mac. That doesn't make sense because it requires you to be confident on everyone else.
I'm most curious about the day 1 meta read you had on me.

I don't care about my day 1 read on you. Half of day 1 I spent drunk and the other half I spent giving zero fucks.

Ah I thought the kill was rng. I guess if the spec player would want town to lose then the Seanzie kill makes sense.

I suppose they would want that.

Which makes the game kind of silly. We have a wolf killing that isn't a wolf and can't win.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:25 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:25 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:22 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:12 am Lol we have a person with literally 9 posts.

I have been slanking like never before and still have the 4th highest post count.

This game has been disrespected. I feel bad for the host.

If I am the traitor I kill Lost Monkey because it will make it look like rng.
yeh I tried to do stuff day 1 but no one cared
Ok I care now. The game is smaller and should be easier to read.
then explain your problem with me

I already did and the post you just quoted doesn't have anything to do with that. My problem with you was when you said sleep or mac. That doesn't make sense because it requires you to be confident on everyone else.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:20 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:09 am
Creature wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:08 am Thinking would be better we all lose than see someone here win as traitor.
I am sus of too many people, the game has been too low effort and the Seanzie kill tops it off. I am not voting sleep. We can all lose or we can actually play mafia and figure out who has been coasting to an easy win.
why does seanzie dying matter

Seanzie was probably the most townie player with the clearest perspectives and most wim. Died.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:22 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:12 am Lol we have a person with literally 9 posts.

I have been slanking like never before and still have the 4th highest post count.

This game has been disrespected. I feel bad for the host.

If I am the traitor I kill Lost Monkey because it will make it look like rng.
yeh I tried to do stuff day 1 but no one cared

Ok I care now. The game is smaller and should be easier to read.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:18 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:14 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:11 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:07 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:06 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:04 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 11:49 pm

LOL ok Joseph, if your ego needs it. For the rest of us who read the thread, falcon came to that suspicion on his own, based on analysis of CRich's response to my post. You were like a weird hanger-on who took the opportunity to suggest a vote that was obviously already in falcon's mind.
jesus fuck man can I go one game without someone having a go at me about ego? please?
LOL maybe that's up to you? You're the one who literally just claimed he could have gotten anyone yeeted that he wanted yesterday. Don't wave your dick around if you don't want people talking about your dick, my friend.
I'll remember this next time you have a whinge about how you're treated game after game.
How can you not concede the point? Do you really not understand that letting us know you could have gotten anyone yeeted that you chose is a massive ego trip?? This is fucking bizarre dude. I don't know how it's even possible that you don't understand that very easily.

Like, I don't even care, I like you and your ego, it's great! I just don't get why you'd deny it.
How can I not concede the point? Because I hate it when people hang shit on me over ego. I particularly hate when someone who whines about being meta boxed in like you does it given you should be able to relate.

The fact is that in almost all games no matter the alignment I can get whomever chop I want over. That isn't ego. It's statistics.
I don't see how my style-based perpetual exclusion from the towncore has any relevance in this conversation, but since I haven't tracked those particular statistics, I don't have a counterargument. I didn't know it was such a sensitive issue for you, I'm sorry. As a person with a possible deeply-rooted inferiority complex, I don't have a lot of experience with your perspective.

People hammer me game after game for playing arrogant and it is a sore point for me. Sorry if I overreacted. What are your reads?

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