The Syndicate

I should have done a lot better in this game. I'll take a lot of the L here because I didn't bother looking at the AI things I should have been looking at.

I think Gira was far and away town MVP.

any mafia team that doesn't contain alexa in it leaving alexa/LC in f5 with 2 wolves alive is just asking to lose

if it wasn't clear on n2 that lc/alexa was a tainted pair it should always have been clear when I died before alexa and especially brutally clear when nanook did

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Jan 03, 2022 1:11 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 03, 2022 1:09 am and then when dyslexicon died second it should have been really clear that there was a wolf in LC/Alexa (cuz if they're both town the wolves would have broken that pair up within 2 nights every time) and in that dichotomy it should have been obvious who it was because of how IC LC was being and meta... and also the fact that Ilario died n1.

Very solvable game that was won by solid pro wolf agenda moves.
fwiw i would never have killed dyslexicon second (because that looked damning for me) if we didn't get a positive barista check which was the only capability of my role lmfao it was 100% a PR kill cuz i didn't know how strong barista was

yeah ok... I still think that if you were town with LC mafia would prio kill you specifically n1 after that day 1 9 times out of 10 with the 1 in 10 times being a wolf who is terrified of me killing me out of fear

even had I just come out d3 with a solve and buried you both you would have got out of it im sure... Falcon/gira and Dolby were not towny enough for anyone to have been able to get players with the wim you two have chopped before them.

and then when dyslexicon died second it should have been really clear that there was a wolf in LC/Alexa (cuz if they're both town the wolves would have broken that pair up within 2 nights every time) and in that dichotomy it should have been obvious who it was because of how IC LC was being and meta... and also the fact that Ilario died n1.

Very solvable game that was won by solid pro wolf agenda moves.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Jan 03, 2022 1:06 am yes, the @ilario kill was 100% from a place of fear lol. i was convinced he was going to catch me at any moment

didn't even occur to me that you had that worry it was just all about alexa cuz I know from hosting them wolfing together that she would not want to go deep with town ilario.

what benefit for a Wilgy/Falcon/Dolby/Gira team combo is there not to kill Alexa/Mac/SPF/Nanook/LC over Ilario.

None... its a massive missed smoking gun.

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Jan 03, 2022 1:04 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 03, 2022 1:00 am
alexa wrote: ↑Mon Jan 03, 2022 12:59 am illario was listening to LC so we killed him lmao
the ilario kill spewed you mafia so hard and it didn't occur to me until the night I died... I literally looked at nks that night and was like WAAAIT ILARIO DIED N1 WTF ALEXA IS MAFIA then died
i mean.. this is fair, i got scared of him wilding out on me and so did spf lmao

yeah there is like no wolfteam in the game that kills ilario n1 except ones that you are in

Also I can read Falcon better than anyone and should always be sheeped on a Falcon read.

I still would have 100% flipped Dolby the next day just as Nanook did though. I had the POE of 3 and he was a must resolve that day so even if you killed Nanook I would have played that day exactly like Nanook did and died. It changed little except for that maybe I'd have left a better legacy than Nanook did.

you guys won this game because of your nk decision making 100% though... it allowed you both to not have to wolf so hard which was probably a nice change of pace for you

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Jan 03, 2022 12:59 am illario was listening to LC so we killed him lmao

the ilario kill spewed you mafia so hard and it didn't occur to me until the night I died... I literally looked at nks that night and was like WAAAIT ILARIO DIED N1 WTF ALEXA IS MAFIA then died

but I'm a big baby and need validation

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Jan 03, 2022 12:57 am i just feel like LC deserves some credit for correctly casing SPF right into day 1 for accurate/good reasons and it should not all just be "lollcsimp" stuff. yes he misread me but if everyone in game didn't talk him out of his spf read then ya'll coulda won

in light of the rest of the game yes its worthwhile and kind to point out LC had SPF dead to rights d1 and should be applauded and also recognised for next time

the only thing town listened to LC on was his Alexa read

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Jan 03, 2022 12:54 am nobody else called spf mafia in a way that would be listened to*

people didn't listen to LC... as you pointed out all the town hard shielded spf lol

this game was good because I improved at reading spf who before this game I don't think I had a clue how to read

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Jan 03, 2022 12:54 am nobody else called spf mafia in a way that would be listened to*

I also realised you were mafia moments before the day ended and then you killed me lol.

I also had spf solved and tried to flip her the day I died which is like... more relevant anyway.

COMPLIMENT MEEEE

I am aware that I reevaluated off that read badly and wrongly lol.

but we weren't talking about that we were talking about "nobody else called spf mafia"

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 03, 2022 12:48 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 8:21 pm Staypositivefriend is mafia because their read on Alison being threadspewed town is such a bad read that it can only come from a mafia version of SPF because town SPF is way better at mafia than to make a read that shit.

Also Alison is threadspewed town.

you guys just don't understand the level I play mafia I guess

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 8:21 pm Staypositivefriend is mafia because their read on Alison being threadspewed town is such a bad read that it can only come from a mafia version of SPF because town SPF is way better at mafia than to make a read that shit.

Also Alison is threadspewed town.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 8:23 pm the mafia in this game are SPF, Ilario and DrWilgy. You're welcome.

excuse me

lol if falcon flips town and Dolby is mafia I'm gonna piss myself and never let whichever of you are town live it down

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:54 pm ya sorry like falcon had some ok posts but not enough to be towned/i had them as spewed wolf so i want to stick here.

awooooo

I want you to park that big mack truck right in this little garage

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:48 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:47 pm Lime Coke
Alexa
Esooa/CRich/TSP
Mac
Nanook

SPF
Gira
Falcon
Dolby
tfw we have the same reads' list

I also have this list clearly

I'm naked

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:42 pm just dunno why falcon wouldn't vote Dolby if falcon is mafia and Dolby is town

like Dolby flipping town clears Falcon I think

and probably means it's just falcon/gira

spf/gira

just dunno why falcon wouldn't vote Dolby if falcon is mafia and Dolby is town

like Dolby flipping town clears Falcon I think

and probably means it's just falcon/gira

can it be gira/Dolby?

maybe ... who cares if so

I believe nook is spewed clear from d1

alexa and Lime Coke are also

I suppose tsp might be mafia getting cleared for bad reasons but maybe not I dunno

gira and Dolby are not w/w
spf and falcon are not w/w

2 of the wolves are in these four

ez clap

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:37 pm If we don't kill Dolby today I'm gonna riot

what if we kill the other wolf and it's spf?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 3:45 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:41 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:35 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:20 pm [VOTE: wilgy] aubergine
why him?
zomg everyone's so towny

also his posts suck yet he has a lot of people townreading him for minor bad reasons which is >>>>rand wolf, and he hasn't answered my questioned about his dizzy read despite me pinging him multiple times
I saw one, and that was only because I re read. When in catch-up I'll often miss what was said while back reading until I get there.

At this point I'll take back my SPF wolf lean. The interactions between SPF and LC were good.

What did stick out was your slight town lean on Falcon. Talk to me about that one Alexa.

team is either dolby/spf or gira/falcon

we've had 1 mafia chop how can you think the mafia team consider themselves outed? that's not a real thought...

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:23 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:22 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:21 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:20 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:19 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:14 pm Mac's reasoning to townread falcon being bad is just wolf agenda. Like... yes my reasoning sucks but point it out, ignoring it and then pushing on Falcon just outs you and Dolby as the wolves.
so fmpov as town, am i supposed to uncritically sheep your townread on falcon even though the reasoning is obviously incorrect?
what is incorrect about the reasoning?

you said that falcon is town because he lacks a wolf agenda. falcon entered the game with a POE of fingersplints/me and has been pushing on it for the entire time that he's been alive while AFKing from the thread. even in a world where falcon is a villager, his pushes in this game explicitly align with a wolf agenda, which makes the reasoning of: "falcon lacks a wolf agenda" obviously flawed
I meant today specifically... he's not trying to win as mafia in any conceivable way
yes, and neither is dolby. i think that's because the scum team is outed and has given up on playing the game. that's not a good reason to townread him

I don't see how falcon is outed

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 11:19 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 11:32 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 11:29 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:52 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:44 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 8:25 pm
Gira wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 6:24 pm i hate that i townread that post
why do you townread that post? i actually think that it's wolfy in conjunction with this:

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Dec 25, 2021 8:21 pm

I do remember.

Nook, Mac, Alexa right off the top of my head have poor partner equity w/ Wilgy.

I have postulated that Wilgy, rather than scum push his partner like he did w/ Gav, might be more inclined to TR his partner.

I'm interested in SPF/fingersplints wagons ATM
falcon posting some vague and uncontroversial nonassociatives with wilgy and then saying "i'm interested in SPF/fingersplints" wagons feel like a pretty transparent attempt to powerwolf and push the game into the wrong direction, especially from the POV of knowing that im town. falcon hasnt interacted with any of my posts in this game and i dont believe that he actually scumreads me, and i think he might just be a wolf trying to keep a low presence and coast through as long as possible
Yeah, but I don't know you're Town & I think you could be Maf.

Howbowdat?
but i dont get the impression that youre genuinely trying to figure out my alignment, feels like you picked a name out of a hat to lazily coast on
That kinda sounds like a you problem?

I don't know what to tell ya. My read is real
is your read based on anything other than "gut"?

if the answer is no, then how am i supposed to know that your read is real?

and if the answer is yes, what else is your read based on?
You've had several posts re: player's having concrete reasons, or not their reasoning not being valid to you (I mean, you've just done it to me)...

That's one way for Wolves to appear solvey, while actually just discrediting players for reasons that are difficult to quantify...like, you've said my read on you isn't genuine. I guess that means you think I'm Maf?

The thing is tho, I'm not, and my read on you is real.

pushing on you is just townie for falcon

it's an ez read

there's no wolf falcon who thinks pushing town spf is a path to victory

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:21 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:20 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:19 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:14 pm Mac's reasoning to townread falcon being bad is just wolf agenda. Like... yes my reasoning sucks but point it out, ignoring it and then pushing on Falcon just outs you and Dolby as the wolves.
so fmpov as town, am i supposed to uncritically sheep your townread on falcon even though the reasoning is obviously incorrect?
what is incorrect about the reasoning?

you said that falcon is town because he lacks a wolf agenda. falcon entered the game with a POE of fingersplints/me and has been pushing on it for the entire time that he's been alive while AFKing from the thread. even in a world where falcon is a villager, his pushes in this game explicitly align with a wolf agenda, which makes the reasoning of: "falcon lacks a wolf agenda" obviously flawed

I meant today specifically... he's not trying to win as mafia in any conceivable way

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:19 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:19 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:14 pm Mac's reasoning to townread falcon being bad is just wolf agenda. Like... yes my reasoning sucks but point it out, ignoring it and then pushing on Falcon just outs you and Dolby as the wolves.
If your reasoning sucks why would someone sheep it?
cuz I'm mac, nobody has strong reads and it's just a townread anyway in a world where you can easily sheep it and vote somewhere else

not doing so is just pro wolf
please reference 3 posts ago where i said that i think dolby is the optimal chop today

Alison > Dolby (163)

3

21% Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, alexa, Gira

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:19 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:14 pm Mac's reasoning to townread falcon being bad is just wolf agenda. Like... yes my reasoning sucks but point it out, ignoring it and then pushing on Falcon just outs you and Dolby as the wolves.
so fmpov as town, am i supposed to uncritically sheep your townread on falcon even though the reasoning is obviously incorrect?
what is incorrect about the reasoning?

or Gira

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:16 pm can you kindly let me know which pushes are Mac Approved™ and which pushes will make you wolfread me more? gotta make sure i toe the line

yeah you can vote Dolby

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:14 pm Mac's reasoning to townread falcon being bad is just wolf agenda. Like... yes my reasoning sucks but point it out, ignoring it and then pushing on Falcon just outs you and Dolby as the wolves.
so fmpov as town, am i supposed to uncritically sheep your townread on falcon even though the reasoning is obviously incorrect?

what is incorrect about the reasoning?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:14 pm Mac's reasoning to townread falcon being bad is just wolf agenda. Like... yes my reasoning sucks but point it out, ignoring it and then pushing on Falcon just outs you and Dolby as the wolves.
If your reasoning sucks why would someone sheep it?

cuz I'm mac, nobody has strong reads and it's just a townread anyway in a world where you can easily sheep it and vote somewhere else

not doing so is just pro wolf

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:14 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:13 pm [VOTE: spf] aubergine

I don't want her alive deeper into the game
do you have any reasons to scumread me or are you just scared of me being a deepwolf

I think the poe is solidly 3 slots right now.

Gira and Dolby are different.

You are the only solo hard poe.

Mac's reasoning to townread falcon being bad is just wolf agenda. Like... yes my reasoning sucks but point it out, ignoring it and then pushing on Falcon just outs you and Dolby as the wolves.

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