The Syndicate

Good game everyone.
Serious questions that need to be answered. Which players were the failed kills and why did they fail?
Special mention to Diiny who had an impossible task.

Let's not forget the theme.

The next RYM game should last for two months. The first month will be Day 0 with JJJ basically asking everyone to contribute their reads and prod them to post cause he hasn't won as a townie for so long.

Actually if you pierce JJJ with a knife there will be no blood coming out. A flow of electricity will hit you back(good conductor) and there will be oil spills everywhere. The best way to defeat a JJJ is to trick him into a steel mill like Terminator 2.(

I thought Biggie would be the music video for my flip.

Remember my reads and be strong.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Choutas wrote:Well it's later than that over here and no it's not 04:00 in England it's 02:47

OK Russ so you're the rogue huh? You're either one I bet my remaining hand you're either the other scum or the rogue. If you consider I lost my wanking hand when we lynched sig me betting my remaining hand shows how sure I am about you.
If they're mafia partners, do you think Russtifinko would have gotten the time correct?

I don't think they talk about timezones, he might have told him he won't be online no matter what happens. It isn't damning but it doesn't exonerate him either.

Well it's later than that over here and no it's not 04:00 in England it's 02:47

OK Russ so you're the rogue huh? You're either one I bet my remaining hand you're either the other scum or the rogue. If you consider I lost my wanking hand when we lynched sig me betting my remaining hand shows how sure I am about you.

Now is the moment for this to be posted.

Day 10(version 2) rainbow list.

For scum.

JJJ
motel room
Strawhenge
Diiny
RadicalFuzz
DrWilgy

Metalmarsh89
Ricochet

Russtifinko
Bullzeye

For rogue.

JJJ
motel room
Strawhenge
Diiny
RadicalFuzz
Bullzeye

Ricochet
Russtifinko

DrWilgy
Metalmarsh89

For the Day 11. Bullz has the chance to put the unnecessary final vote on me "a perfect scum candidate" for enough player but will refrain from doing it since a useful marmot has done the dirty job and his vote unnecessary. When asked about the lynch after I flip town he'll answer "I was never sold on that lynch, I cared for my own survival but never called Choutas scum to lynch him". Everything points to that. You've already killed me and have fucked up the day most likely losing us the game but don't go next level retards tomorrow. Put 2 and 2 together and lynch Bullz, go after Russ or Rico and hope that the Mafia go after the rogue.

MR Bullz is one scum, the remaining one scum is parked in your lot. It's Russ or Rico. Go after them hard tomorrow k?

Your sensei will become one with the cosmos.

Russtifinko wrote:Hey wait, MM, did you move your vote?

Now you need to push for a MR lynch even harder. But you don't cause me and MR are town and a townie me would be lynched without your buddy Bullz having to put a survival vote on me.

Isn't life rad Russ?

MM if you're rogue you played really dumb. If you're town I don't blame you at all. If you're rogue you have a chance to switch your vote and survive until the endgame.

Wilgy you can't rationalize a RYM play. Everything I've done and the explanations I provided(to the point where explanations could be given without infodumping) were to suffice. The problem is that I don't play like you guys. To cut you guys some slack I am not suited for this. Really, in retrospect through your eyes I am definitely lynchable but in the end everyone is entitled to his own playstyle. You would overcome your misgivings about stuff I did if you have played with me before or have played the earlier RYM games(from what I gather RYM is closer to TS the last two years).

linki: OK MM I like how you put the nail in my coffin instead of a scum. I prefered Bullz in order for him to be lynched tomorrow but it doesn't matter anymore. I know why Groundhog Day was such a bitch for Murray.

I meant MR. Sorry my mind is frazzled.

Bullz will tell Russ to stay low and vote for MM. Bullz will wait until the last minute to put the final vote. Seriously watch it unfold. I'm leaving. My work here is done. Nice game everyone.

Russ and Bullz if you're scheming right now to wipe me off I'm literally loling. Come over here and have you both vote for me. I dare you guys.

I think Russ is also a scumster. They know how important is this lynch for them. He was online and hasn't voted yet. After Bullz my money is on that guy for not voting up until now.
Seriously if this was Texas Hold'Em I am going all in on Bullz and Russ being scum together. I'd take a loan to play that hand.

RadicalFuzz wrote:No time to catch up. Following Wilgy's vote onto Choutas.

Apologies if this causes distress to brains.

At least you're not waiting up until the last minute to vote for me. I appreciate that.

The sheer fact that Bullz has openly claimed late minute shenanigans should all make you worried on how the lynch is set at this point.
Or unless you think I'm scum. In that case god save us all.

Ground control to Major Diiny.
Ground control to Major Diiny.
Take your ecstasy pills
and put your vote on Bullz.

Bullz has made it clear he'll vote to save himself.
I want you all to think clearly who you want to lynch today. This in fact might be the most important lynch of the game.

Ricochet wrote:I have two more to read, but of the wagons so far, which incidentally include Bullzeye and Choutas, in this very moment, no re-evaluation of a re-evaluation of a re-evaluation, I'd say slight lean on Choutas. Bullzeye's time issues in playing are documented. Meanwhile, not sure what to opinion to formulate on Choutas' burn out; could be just as genuine, for all we know. It's not like I'm feeling fresh as a daisy or anything...I just happen to be mad...and that's a fact.

However, I'd trump so far all these wagons with a motel vote, I feel. So again, what have you all on motel (except Choutas, whom I already asked) or feel on him atm?

Yeah cause playing a game for a month is a normal thing to do.

Hey Rico want us to go play some ball?
Sure, I love playing ball.
Oh and lest I forget it you need to spend 90 minutes every day. And even if you do it people will still bitch for doing it half-assed. And if you complain that it's starting to mess up with your schedule and routine people will automatically call you feigning a burn out. Just play it from morning until sundown and you'll be cool.

linki: I liked his case against me earlier in the game. Despite not contributing as much as other players I like his other cases as well.

linki@JJJ: If it means scarring you for life then it's a real possibility. I've always been a sadist.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Choutas wrote:He only thinks I look better than Bullz that's all.
A lot of that is based upon your conduct during the seaside lynch. Maybe I should reconsider that perspective: you vehemently opposed the lynch of a townie when a likely alternative was a lynch of a mafioso. Maybe you knew too much.

You can never know too much

This way or another I won't be playing tomorrow. Unless something extraordinary happens. Henceforth I'll only play 16 player games with newbies and low posters.

linki: Motel Room is one of strongest town reads all game. As good as JJJ imo.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Choutas wrote:I have no problem with you lynching me I am cool with that. Really. It's just hilarious everyone bothered to case me on Day 10(some did the previous day, it isn't directed to everyone). I wanted out of the game anyway. The only sad thing about my lynch is that town will get fucked and most likely lose the game.

By all means guys lynch me. Call my reads laughable, bully me and spit on me and lynch me like Jesus.

Then Choutas said, "MP, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." And they divided up His garments by casting lots.
F*** you're doing it too Choutas. Buck up and play the game. I know it's lasted an eon but I don't give a crap. IrritatedJimmyJay.
You call Bullzeye's situation a concession, but you cheer Choutas on.

He only thinks I look better than Bullz that's all.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Choutas wrote:I have no problem with you lynching me I am cool with that. Really. It's just hilarious everyone bothered to case me on Day 10(some did the previous day, it isn't directed to everyone). I wanted out of the game anyway. The only sad thing about my lynch is that town will get fucked and most likely lose the game.

By all means guys lynch me. Call my reads laughable, bully me and spit on me and lynch me like Jesus.

Then Choutas said, "MP, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." And they divided up His garments by casting lots.
F*** you're doing it too Choutas. Buck up and play the game. I know it's lasted an eon but I don't give a crap. IrritatedJimmyJay.

I don't give a crap either. This game has drained my life force. If I survive this day phase I'll seriously consider modkilling myself to not be asked to contribute again.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Choutas wrote:I didn't see MM wasn't available my bad.
So who are we lynching today?
Who do you want to lynch today?

Your last rainbow list has me at the top. Did you change your mind?

Bullz.
I think you're town or the rogue. I wouldn't lynch you no, i don't want you dead.

I didn't see MM wasn't available my bad.
So who are we lynching today?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:RadicalFuzz to put everyone on an even playing field.

Linki: I'm not on the poll Choutas.

If I ever see a marmot again I'll kick it in the stomach

I have no problem with you lynching me I am cool with that. Really. It's just hilarious everyone bothered to case me on Day 10(some did the previous day, it isn't directed to everyone). I wanted out of the game anyway. The only sad thing about my lynch is that town will get fucked and most likely lose the game.

By all means guys lynch me. Call my reads laughable, bully me and spit on me and lynch me like Jesus.

Then Choutas said, "MP, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." And they divided up His garments by casting lots.

Strawhenge wrote:Cast my vote for Choutas for now...And the other two of my top three scumspects are the only other ones on the vote. Way to make me second-guess my entire life, guys.

Let me picture this. I am your second scummiest player at 1 and a half star and MM is the worst with half a star and I take the vote for the day? OK bro.

Strawhenge wrote:Apparently it takes me 85 hours to form a solid opinion on somebody, so I don't know yet. Let me at least case Choutas, then I'll let you know by Thanksgiving.

Straw bet all of your money on my reads and scumspects. All you have to do is believe.

Spoiler: show

JaggedJamieJane who are your top suspects?

Wilgy don't use yellow when you colour sentences it hurts my eyes. Go for blue or orange.
Also Wilgy would you catch me if I fall?

Diiny wrote:@Choutas, that stuff about playing better if you were scum is both wifommy and not that true when you consider how floyd was doing some pretty nooby stuff despite having the scum team on his side to help him.

You're right it's WIFOM. It doesn't matter much since I've taken responsibility for that action anyway.

Ricochet wrote:
Choutas wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
Choutas wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Choutas, why did you vote LC without a vote post? I think your vote came after the last post you made on D2, so why did you not return till the end of that phase (apologies if I don't remember any specifics about this absence)? Why did you return and took a "oh look I caught a scum" stance, considering you've said nothing about hunt LC - so, de facto, you haven't done any real hunting?
I get your suspicion about that frankly I didn't think much about it at the time. It's my first Syndicate game after all. Living in Europe I voted in case the day ended without my vote(on rym you get modkilled for missing two day votes). Regrettably I didn't post it in the thread and I need to take the blame for that for sure, however in the end it wasn't a damning vote for a townie lynch but rather a pretty deciding vote for a scum lynch. I was lucky, I skimmed through most cases and for some reason I don't even remember tbh LC stood out as the most suss. To answer the last sentence I read other player's reads, I didn't make my own case but the final judgement was mine so you have to take my word for it.
An "I agree with others on LC" or something like that would have sufficed, for the stuff you say in the second half. I can't take your word for something not posted in-thread.

Also, I can relate myself to 3-4-5am deadlines being a total bitch, but really? That's your justification for always voting early? Your D2 departure didn't even happen on the EoD day, but with more than 24 hours before! Judging by the posts, you voted around that time as well.
Nah I've said why I believed Floyd was scum. I made my case on different days also. You compare two completely different things. Just because I voted LC early without my own case doesn't mean I voted the subsequent days without a case. Today haven't I put forth reasons to vote for Bullzeye? The comparison is dangerous and misleading. I vote early to create my own wagons on people I consider scum. I don't like to hop on other player's reads unless I am completely AWOL all day or clueless on reads.
Either we misunderstand each other a bit, or huh? I've asked you questions specifically about LC's lynch Day and you now claim you've given me an answer that related to Floyd and to your game in general?

Yes, I pushed a bit too much the voting mentality you mentioned into questioning if it's your tactic at any time, sorry about that. Nonetheless: How can "Living in Europe I voted in case the day ended without my vote(on rym you get modkilled for missing two day votes)." apply to D2? That's my dillemma. You voted and vanished with more than a day to go. That's hardly danger of missing an EoD.

I don't really have time for Mafia. I was dragged into playing this game because I am permabanned on rym. Some people thought I might never play a RYM game again and it was a really good idea to play Mafia again with some old friends(Joe, Matt, Jay). I don't have time to play mafia. It took me a lot of time to understand how you do things over here and if it wasn't Day 0 I would have done even graver mistakes than not posting a vote. The funny thing is that you are right not posting my vote was a bad and suspicious move but this is my first game here and tbh if I were scum I would have been coached by the other members to not do such shit. As for not contributing more I really have been having trouble contributing the whole game. I'm the kind of guy who would have felt bad getting myself modkilled like RDW. Dunno maybe I should have stopped playing on Day 3 if I couldn't keep up with your pace.
I get what you mean but what do you expect me to say? I'm a busy man.
MM was right I can't ball.

PS: MM I still think you're rogue.

It's really funny how everybody posts but refrains from voting. Seriously what's up with that. Suddenly JJJ will come in drop in a vote and some voters will blindly follow. Someone will say "Absolutely not, X is a better choice" and other players will vote or unvote and follow that also.

Seriously what's up with all of you it's Day 10. You still haven't made up your mind on who is the most suspicious player based on you reads ffs?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I don't strongly believe Choutas to be civilian. On the contrary, I've made observations about some of his votes, and why I think they look bad. I even have my vote on him right now.

It is rarely a case in a game where info-dumping is not allowed, that someone can be cleared as civilian. I was emphasizing that despite his claim that he has never bussed a teammate as mafia, that doesn't mean he is not mafia.

I don't like your wording son. Either I am a civilian or am I scum(or you mean rogue)? This word games where you use the negative and civilian to not say what you truly think is goddamn suspicious I must say.

Ricochet wrote:
Choutas wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Choutas, why did you vote LC without a vote post? I think your vote came after the last post you made on D2, so why did you not return till the end of that phase (apologies if I don't remember any specifics about this absence)? Why did you return and took a "oh look I caught a scum" stance, considering you've said nothing about hunt LC - so, de facto, you haven't done any real hunting?
I get your suspicion about that frankly I didn't think much about it at the time. It's my first Syndicate game after all. Living in Europe I voted in case the day ended without my vote(on rym you get modkilled for missing two day votes). Regrettably I didn't post it in the thread and I need to take the blame for that for sure, however in the end it wasn't a damning vote for a townie lynch but rather a pretty deciding vote for a scum lynch. I was lucky, I skimmed through most cases and for some reason I don't even remember tbh LC stood out as the most suss. To answer the last sentence I read other player's reads, I didn't make my own case but the final judgement was mine so you have to take my word for it.
An "I agree with others on LC" or something like that would have sufficed, for the stuff you say in the second half. I can't take your word for something not posted in-thread.

Also, I can relate myself to 3-4-5am deadlines being a total bitch, but really? That's your justification for always voting early? Your D2 departure didn't even happen on the EoD day, but with more than 24 hours before! Judging by the posts, you voted around that time as well.

Nah I've said why I believed Floyd was scum. I made my case on different days also. You compare two completely different things. Just because I voted LC early without my own case doesn't mean I voted the subsequent days without a case. Today haven't I put forth reasons to vote for Bullzeye? The comparison is dangerous and misleading. I vote early to create my own wagons on people I consider scum. I don't like to hop on other player's reads unless I am completely AWOL all day or clueless on reads.

Ricochet wrote:Choutas, why did you vote LC without a vote post? I think your vote came after the last post you made on D2, so why did you not return till the end of that phase (apologies if I don't remember any specifics about this absence)? Why did you return and took a "oh look I caught a scum" stance, considering you've said nothing about hunt LC - so, de facto, you haven't done any real hunting?

I get your suspicion about that frankly I didn't think much about it at the time. It's my first Syndicate game after all. Living in Europe I voted in case the day ended without my vote(on rym you get modkilled for missing two day votes). Regrettably I didn't post it in the thread and I need to take the blame for that for sure, however in the end it wasn't a damning vote for a townie lynch but rather a pretty deciding vote for a scum lynch. I was lucky, I skimmed through most cases and for some reason I don't even remember tbh LC stood out as the most suss. To answer the last sentence I read other player's reads, I didn't make my own case but the final judgement was mine so you have to take my word for it.

MM your theory about me bussing teammates is wrong. You must have mistaken me with RDW who has bussed at least a dozen of players. I've never bussed someone and even if I did buss someday somehow I doubt I'd go full retard and buss half the team if I were scum.
Fwiw I was a member of the only perfect mafia win where we won without losing a single member. We could have bussed a teammate at the endgame but we decided to push for a townie lynch even harder and claim a perfect win.
This not me. Choutas doesn't roll like that.

JJJ where you've been?

Ricochet wrote:ayy wtf. RIPIYWG everyone. And possible SK Marmot is also missing from the poll.

MM, do you think it's likely we're seeing the double kill scenario again from the Psycho Babbler as on Night 4? If so, he should technically not be able to kill on Night 10, if there'll be one, right?

Strawhenge wrote:Order of operations:

Lynch Metalmarsh
Lynch Choutas
Celebrate a town victory
Well, it seems we can't lynch MM toDay, but can you try nonetheless to give us a screening of a case for him as well? Don't recall if you've answered, but is the "either Wartime or SK" approximation you did still relevant, now that Wartime was lynched and only the SK remains of the two?

DrWilgy wrote:
Strawhenge wrote:Why would two players die every cycle? How do you know that? Scum only kill every other night.
Lynch and psycho killer. Two is the minimum, unless we manage to kill SK.
Pedantic semantics, I know, but the civilians lynch, not kill.

Also, unfortunately, lynching the SK would likely hand over the even Night kill to the Mafia. These odd/even Kills are usually inherited by the other party.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:RIP y'all if you were good guys. I guess I don't have to do that Matt case now. :P

That's a serious loss of contribution in one fell swoop. We're all going to have to pick up the slack in their absences. If you're town, you have the ability to show that by drowning the remaining baddies in overwhelming effort. The more action this thread sees, the more difficult we make their lives in the late game. Even if you don't trust me, this is fundamental mafia and I assure you this is the time to play your hardest. I will do my part -- if those guys that just died were town, they deserve to win with the town. The poured themselves into this game.
Fully agreed, but I also want to be upfront about how much Mafia I'll be able to do during this phase, rather than commit to intense activities that I wouldn't be able to achieve in reasonable time and which could probably make me mess up again. Today's best window for me lasts until late afternoon (although still uneven in how much free time and when I'll have), tomorrow's best window for me will be only late in the evening until EoD.

Also, if you did this late stage pep talk and prove to be mafia after all, I am going to smash everything in my house except for the piano. Same as with an MM scum reveal.

Choutas wrote:Day 10 rainbow list.

JJJ
motel room
Metalmarsh89

Strawhenge

Diiny
RadicalFuzz
DrWilgy

Ricochet
Russtifinko

Bullzeye

Most rogue behavioured players: Rico, Russ and MM
Why are motel and MM top rainbow?

JJJ had Floyd and Black Rock painted as scummy if my memory serves me right. His overall tone has been honest and he has supertowned hard despite not yielding the same quality of results as some of his previous games. When he's scum his soul is not in the game. I was wrong about Mac but Mac has an easier meta to replicate than JJJ. If I got fooled twice I'll be raging hard.
MM is one of the most likely guys to be the SK I won't deny that but his overall performance has looked town to me.
MR has been quite consistent with his reads. He had me pegged as scum for most of the game until the Floyd lynch that swayed him to rethink his read on me. It's more of a playstyle evaluation.

The color system is a little bit askew when the player numbers get diminished I should have used four or three colors instead. Three colors are gonna be my next rainbow list. Town/neutral/scum.

Haha I love it. I'm gonna take scenario lessons in November that will end with each and everyone of us writing a scenario for a movie.

Perhaps you can give me tips Straw.

Some of the most intriguing posts from Bullzeye

Bullzeye wrote:Haven't been able to catch up as much as I'd have liked to and it's way too late for me now, so as I said earlier I'm going to have to random this one. Hopefully the night phase will allow me to catch up properly and get into the game! Randomizer is telling me to *Vote for MM*. I only hope he can find it in his heart to forgive me.

I don't like when people say this. It might be only me though.

Bullzeye wrote:
Sorsha wrote: 1. And if LC was a civ he would have been a great leader, it's true
2. I thought it was suspicious of bwt because he just seemed to be riding on LCs coat tails. Once LC "changed his mind" on bea, so did bwt. And I still stand by my bwt vote, I think he was suspicious.... See? I can't read bwt either.
3. Yes... It's called not being 100% sure because I wasn't. Like I just said, I've seen him do something like this, coming up with zany theories and day one plans, and get lynched as a civ.
4. Noncommittal on seaside because I've never played with him before, I don't know if this is how he always acts but I didn't see anything too suspicious in his behavior. I also didn't like the reasons some people were given for voting him. At the same time they knew him better than I did, but I still only think you should lynch someone if you really think they are bad.
5. And this would be the point, if I were his teammate, that I should have begun distancing.... not further defense. Or just kept my mouth shut. Or placed a vote on him. Pretty much anything but what I actually did.
6. Like I said, didn't think it would matter and figured it would just get torn apart anyway. I'm not the kind of player who goes head to head with others too much like golden and jjj and others have been doing the past day. i just roll over and die. In the past it hasn't worked well for me and hasn't been worth the effort
Posts like this make me feel better about you. This sort of reason and logic is what I would've expected to see in response to you gaining suspicion for your LC defense, rather than the immediate surrender. I know you've addressed the cause of that here though. The fact you've gained a ton of votes already is a bit off-putting as well. I will probably switch my vote, just not sure who to yet. That isn't to say my suspicion of you is completely alleviated. There is still a chance you were defending LC because you are a teammate of his and I'll be keeping that in mind for the future.

Linki - yeah a bit. Seems too fast, I'm not used to seeing bandwagons grow so early in the day. We still have over 24 hours and so many votes have already been cast.

Distancing from a townie lynch? Noted.

Bullzeye wrote:So Golden's big scheme that we should've all gone along with or be considered suspicious was... to kill a civvie? Good work!

Way too insistent on Golden despite him being a confirmed townie by then. Bullzeye continues it for a couple of posts and then ends the subject calling Golden a townie that is not beneficial to town(no ill intent though) and might get trusted in the future.

Bullzeye wrote:
Matt F wrote:
Rbzmncaeaei wrote:
Matt F wrote:I don't understand. Do you believe I've been holding up the town?
Nah I was just pointing out that seaside attributed a quote to me that was in fact yours.

Looked at his quote, and if that's not your quote, that's cool, but I don't think it's mine, either. I did bring up Uh Oh, but not the way seaside quoted. Not that it matters either way, just want to clarify.

Bullz - anti-Mafia means possibly civvie, possibly SK
Right. So you don't think they're baddies but haven't ruled them out as being the indy? I hope you don't consider the SK pro-civvie though?

Bullzeye wrote:
Matt F wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Reads lists, anyone?
I have Golden and Elohcin down as civvie.

RBZ as maybe anti-Mafia.

RussT as definitely anti-Mafia.

I'm not sure on anyone else in the game, either way. I'm going out to eat in a few, but will make a list soon, I promise.

Btw Golden, unless you really don't want to, can you tell me who your top three suspects are, please? I'd really like to know that before the Night is over. Thank you!
What's the difference between anti-Mafia and civvie? The only non-civ non-Mafia is the SK, who is anti-everyone.

Bullzeye wrote:
Rbzmncaeaei wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
Matt F wrote:
Rbzmncaeaei wrote:
Matt F wrote:I don't understand. Do you believe I've been holding up the town?
Nah I was just pointing out that seaside attributed a quote to me that was in fact yours.

Looked at his quote, and if that's not your quote, that's cool, but I don't think it's mine, either. I did bring up Uh Oh, but not the way seaside quoted. Not that it matters either way, just want to clarify.

Bullz - anti-Mafia means possibly civvie, possibly SK
Right. So you don't think they're baddies but haven't ruled them out as being the indy? I hope you don't consider the SK pro-civvie though?
The SK certainly can be considered pro-civvie at least until the end of the game.
Not in my book. SKs are only pro-civvie when they know you've caught them out and they're desperate to be allowed to live.

Bullzeye wrote:
Matt F wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:Right. So you don't think they're baddies but haven't ruled them out as being the indy? I hope you don't consider the SK pro-civvie though?
Well, considering I use the term "anti-Mafia" as opposed to "civvie" or "pro-civvie", no, I do not consider the SK pro-civvie.

What's with this line of questioning? You think I'm the SK, Bullz?

Golden - Much appreciated on your thoughts on Roxy, as well as your scum picks.

Off to eat, I'll be back in about an hour or so.

Peace!
I don't think you're the SK, I think you're too smart to trust the SK. I just wanted to make sure.

Bullzeye wrote:
Rbzmncaeaei wrote: linki @Bullzeye - So why do I often see players discuss games that have been over for months discussing their SK roles and claiming that at least in their minds, they were pro-civvie? I don't agree with "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" mentality myself, but picking a side is in the SK's best interest. Whether that side is good or bad is relative, and no alliance is eternal.
I don't believe such a role can be pro-civvie, or pro-baddie for that matter. The SK is inherently alone and nobody should assume to have its allegiance. An SK will kill whoever they perceive to be the biggest threat to them, just like the baddies will. They aren't going to be looking out for the interests of people who they can't win with.

I really love when scum talk about the SK. I tell you guys talking about the SK when you should be hunting scum is a serious scumtell. It has happened so many times on RYM. Those are five posts in a row talking about the SK. My scumdar is screeching.

Bullzeye wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:Besides, it's not like I've said I'll definitely do it and gone out to get a tattoo of the statement. I can change my mind if I really want to.
Show me that you actually care about the ability to change your mind and this will mean something to me.
I don't even know what you're talking about now. Like you said, there are nearly 3 full days before the lynch deadline. Anything can happen between now and then. I might not even see day five. I've never been the type of person to assume my first instinct is definitely 100% correct. I know I'm not always going to be right. I still have the right to say what I think, when I think it. I gave no indication that I don't care about changing my mind or that I'm not open to other possibilities. I don't understand where you're coming from.

This pretty funny cause Bullz has survived alright. Same could be said for all who've said that though including me.

Bullzeye wrote:
Matt F wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:I have fairly bad vibes about BCornett myself tbh, but I feel like my reasoning will be immediately 'discredited' if I share it. It's a card I'm keeping close to my chest until I have more solid reasons to support it, but I certainly wouldn't be opposed to voting for him.
Well, that's an awfully strange thing for a civvie to say during the Night Phase about someone he thinks is bad...

I guess you feel pretty good about the Mafia not NKing you after a post like that, regardless of whether you are right or wrong on bcornett?

Linki -
Given that they don't kill on even nights judging by the roles list, I do feel pretty confident about it actually

Honestly, thanks to Golden's pursuit of me I don't think it's the baddies I have to worry about at night anyway. At least the civ ninja only has a 50% shot at successfully killing me.

Dat townie mindframe.

Bullzeye wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Syndicate players, can I get some input on whether epi is playing differently in this game than usual?
He's usually a lot more aggressive. However he did just get killed night one in Recruitment (by accident as well) so he might have been deliberately trying to be more restrained just to avoid his sucky curse of always dying straight away for lame reasons.

Also, I was meaning to say earlier, I think there's good reason to believe that the SK targeted Golden's seductee and that that's why there were two kills shown. In this game there has been a lot of discussion as to whether or not SK's are actually just misunderstood, civ-friendly softies who love cuddles and would never harm a fly unless it was evil. Killing the basically outed civ removes any doubt that the SK is not civ-friendly. I don't think they'd choose to do that so early on. I think they killed someone else, and that someone was Golden's seduced friend. Then MP wrote the night post to reflect that the SK had both failed to kill one person and also killed Golden. I think that's a far more realistic option.

On hindsight replying to a scum player theorizing about the SK. My scumdar is overheating.

There is another post about the SK and how he does things, a modkill/infodumping controversy with Matt F which is pretty null since the game has rules about modkills and what we say has no real effect. I don't know what to think about the infodumping. That exchange reflects worse on Bullzeye since as Matt F said Bullz had Matt in her NO LYNCH list. Here's the post

Bullzeye wrote:Who I don't have an interest in lynching? That's going to be a short list. Let's see:

Bullzeye
Elo
Splints maybe?
JJJ
Matt F but maybe not Matt F at all
MM
Fuzz
Rico
Roxy

I will not be voting for any of these people today, but someone's name not being here doesn't mean I am likely to vote for them. I have excluded both my suspects and people I feel neutral about. Names here are names of those I think are definitely/possibly/likely to be civs. This is why I don't make rainbow lists or whatever the cool kids are calling them nowadays. I suck at them.

Bullzeye wrote:
Russtifinko wrote: I have played with Bullz a number of times, and mainly when he's been a baddie, I believe. The one thing I remember well is that he gets HYPER defensive over relatively little things, and generally over defends himself and convinces everyone he's bad. Iirc he's had some pretty spectacular flameouts as a baddie.
I very much disagree with this summary of my character.

Can somebody attests to this. He has been defensive don't know about hyper. I'm a sucker for meta, I want a response from someone.

All in on Bullz.
#ballstothewall

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Marsh is off the poll. This would be an ideal time to case Choutas, Straw.

By all means guys.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Alright, stupid laundry is finished. I have a little time to do some work in this game before I head to bed. I'm going to make my best effort to place everyone in the game at a totally clean slate (acknowledging that biases from developed perspectives are difficult to shed) and reassess each player in the game with all known information in mind. It's likely that these posts will be quite large because I am going to be scanning each ISO with a fine-toothed comb. I'll include a conclusion at the end of each which will function as a "TL;DR" section. I'll start from the bottom alphabetically.

I don't demand that everyone read every word I produce in this exercise, but I would encourage everyone to at least pay attention to the conclusions. I want to field real discussion about this content -- town's only chance is to play with a sense of urgency and to stay motivated. I don't endorse a torrential downpouring of posts that will make the thread impossible to keep up with; I endorse everyone doing their homework based on the wealth of information already available to us in this thread.

We've all been playing this game for nearly a month. Wouldn't it be nice to win it? Even if you haven't put literally 1,000 posts into this game like I have, I know you've all put something into it. If you're on my side, I want your hard work to pay off. I really appreciate that everyone has really put so much into the game and I hope we can bring it home.

If you're inherently unnerved or annoyed by me being a cheesy motivational speaker, I'm sorry. This is just who I am not only as a player but also as a person in general. I have a team out there somewhere and I want this as much for you folks as I do for myself. Let's go.

We're all trying bro. We'll win this game you have my word for it. Have I ever let you down?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:A little something for the people who have expressed suspicion of Choutas a Psycho Killer candidate:

Choutas as a Last Man Standing rogue in RYM #39

This game was three years ago, so take any conclusions you may draw with a grain of salt. I haven't made the comparison myself, but the thought occurred to me that this is available so I figured I might as well put it here.

I miss the early RYM games. Someone could post 70 posts all game and nobody would call him/her a low contributor like they do over here

Day 10 rainbow list.

JJJ
motel room
Metalmarsh89

Strawhenge

Diiny
RadicalFuzz
DrWilgy

Ricochet
Russtifinko

Bullzeye

Most rogue behavioured players: Rico, Russ and MM

Strawhenge wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Voted Choutas for now.

Everyone needs to keep this in mind:
Assuming that 2 will die every cycle from here on out, we have 2 cycles of not killing scum until lylo, if there are 3 scum. 3 phases till lylo, if there are 2.

Why would two players die every cycle? How do you know that? Scum only kill every other night.

Also, no one has answered me this entire game about why some people are so sure that the SK has only killed townies. Why the [censored]ing [censored] are some people so certain of this? Answer me dammit. What are the odds that...

HamburgerBoy
FZ.
Golden
Epignosis
Matt F

...were all town? But more importantly, why is everyone but me not even considering that the SK could have killed scum?

To be honest out of all the guys my money is on Matt F. Epignosis was a primary SK candidate but got smoked by the SK oh the irony. Matt F started getting in my scum radar yesterday when I was revisiting older posts and he did become an orange read(he was yellow).

DrWilgy wrote:JJJ there's a relationship between you, and several other players. Some are dead now, but I'm pretty sure you established that relationship. I want to know from you why those players.

Coutas, there's no bad accusations there, nor would I want someone to break the rules. Kind of insulted that you think I would do that. Breaking game rules is something I wouldn't do. It hurts the game for everyone, and that's not why we play. Let's think "logically" as you would like. If you were really wanting to bait mafia. Why reveal the bait as bait? If there was actual purpose behind it that could've been used as scumbait, why revoke it? I see it as you going "Oh sheet, this was a bad Idea, so lol jk it was bait." Also, I still don't know what makes those two responses townier. I don't know what about responding to that bait makes them look townier. Elaborate on that. I think this is the 4th time I've asked you that specifically and you haven't answered.

You seem to be overly worried about the case itself. I don't know half of what your previous post is referencing, and I would just like some direction as to what you are responding to.

Also, why do you keep backtracking? I thought I had responded to all inquiry, but I KNOW for a fact that I asked for everyone to use my name in a post if they had questions to ask me questions or if I missed something. How are percentages on the LC lynch relevant to this conversation?

They aren't but you clearly haven't responded to them. You can't accuse me of not responding to your proddings when you clearly have ignored other players. OK let's end that.
You might have a point for the timing of my reveal but if you think I considered Rico as one of my suspects at the time. It yield results to me, it helped Rico get townier points from me for the response. As to why the responses look townie to me it's because a scum wouldn't respond to my post. If a scum came out and said "I think you were targeted" it would be fessing up. He/She would be still and ignore my post. A townie is more likely to claim his towniest read as the possible victim.

bullzeye. More after I'm done catching up.

DrWilgy wrote:Are my accusations on Chou "bad accusations" as he called it?

Way too tired to ball. Let's talk tomorrow k?

Night 9 rainbow list

Epignosis
Metalmarsh89

JJJ
motel room

Strawhenge
bcornett24
Diiny
RadicalFuzz

DrWilgy
Ricochet(I am revisiting the first half of the game and how I viewed him as scum originally)
Matt F
Russtifinko

Bullzeye

I wasted around three or four hours rereading old posts. I feel so tired right now. Tomorrow I'll start explaining the orange and the red ones unless somehow I get to enjoy myself on a national holiday.

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