The Syndicate

We're getting dangerously close to lylo here.

ugh DrWilgy

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:You asked me to summarize what I had already said, so I did.
Right, I don't mean to crap on your summary. I'm just giving the only answer I can give, so you can judge accordingly.

I feel you, bad guy

You asked me to summarize what I had already said, so I did.

ISO me and Diiny MP, and I dare you to still have Diiny higher than me on your list when you're finished.

MovingPictures07 wrote:zebra, and anyone else who has currently voted for Diiny, please talk to me about him. I've not been pinged by him all game, except for finding his treatment of Wilgy's gambit suddenly altering his read on Wilgy perplexing (if he is town). I'm struggling to get my head wrapped around why people are calling his behavior mafia.

Every single one of his posts reads as remarkably disingenuous to me, not to mention his lynch was sealed until JJJ brought up Enrique. I try to avoid team theories like most, but come on. That's something. Since you're the minority, I'm curious to hear why you haven't been pinged by him yet.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Zebra, can you summarize why you feel my stated suspicion of Epi was opportunistic? I don't think I could have chosen a more difficult "opportunity" if that's the case -- Epi always bites back.

Epi always bites back but not always convincingly. After all, I perceived his initial vote of you to be an OMGUS with no meat behind it. I think your suspicion of Epi was opportunistic because your were making out criticisms that were not alignment-indicative to be criticisms that made Epi look bad.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Epignosis's crusade against Floyd is based upon what strikes me as close to nothing, so I view it dubiously. Regardless of Floyd's alignment, I don't understand Epi's conduct as a town approach -- he is shouting his desired target and apparently doesn't care much at all about anything else happening in the game. That's not inspiring, and even if he is right about Floyd it would strike me as luck at best and calculated at worst. Epi doesn't strike me as the guy that plays for a lucky break.

I don't know how one can have any conviction in reading Floyd as town or mafia right now. There's not enough there.
Why is it that you could construct a gambit town approach for the behavior of DrWilgy but not for Epignosis?

Excellent question.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Diiny wrote:Motel or anyone else you should probably look at the votes to make up for epi's floyd-o-vision which I don't really know what to make of
Epi's Floyd-o-vision is not abnormal. Especially early in games, I've seen him demand votes on a particular player... although usually his stances are based on something more substantive, I've also seen him pull stunts like this regardless of alignment to see who would jump on, who is opposed and why, etc.
Do you think that is what he is doing here with Floyd? He's just focusing on him to gauge reactions?
I think it's partially that, but I think it's also partially that Epi genuinely believes what he's saying and that Floyd isn't (and won't, Epi seems to believe) giving us much to work with. He and DH have had to deal with quite the non-participation in his Star Wars game, and in past games he's hosted (Biblical, for example) and played, there have been similar instances. Epi hates non-participation... so do I. Sometimes I feel just like what he's proposing and I'd love to just lynch low posters on Day 1, but I always am conflicted about it because I hate lynching players based on nothing or very little. But if players have consistently shown in the past to provide nothing or very little and they aren't again, I begin to consider an early lynch of them more so. I can empathize with Epi's thoughts on the matter.

So I definitely think it's a little of A and a little of B.

So...a personal policy lynch? Oops, antonyms.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:TheFloyd73
Epignosis
MovingPictures07
MacDougall
DrWilgy
DFaraday
motel room
JaggedJimmyJay
FZ.
Diiny
Wow, what's with that top town read? Did Floyd start supatowning it up? Now I'm really intrigued to finish catching up!

Can you provide explanation as to your bottom 3?

No, do not get your hopes up about Floyd supatowning. He is my top town read simply because he is literally the only player who has yet to ping me even slightly. That's it.

JaggedJimmyJay came off as very opportunistic to me regarding his conflict with Epi and seemed nervous when he backtracked later. I called him out on this and he responded with more nervousness than I would expect if I was mistaken. However, his more recent responses read genuine to me, hence him being third-last as opposed to last.

FZ is just playing an easy scum game. She voted for a player based on a cop claim that was dubious to begin with and nothing else while making little comment as to what she actually thought about the player she was voting for (she has since remedied this...by saying that she thinks Diiny is town) and now that the cop claim has been proven false she is now voting for DrWilgy for misleading her. Easy decision Day 1, easy decision Day 2. Not to mention her only way of defending herself is by pretending that people only suspect her because they haven't been reading her previous defenses, hence her using the same weak defense over and over again while feigning (?) frustration at the game overall.

Diiny is scum that I caught almost as soon as the game started. People are under the impression that his recent posts read genuine and I don't see it. Quantity is not quality by default.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Diiny wrote:Motel or anyone else you should probably look at the votes to make up for epi's floyd-o-vision which I don't really know what to make of
Epi's Floyd-o-vision is not abnormal. Especially early in games, I've seen him demand votes on a particular player... although usually his stances are based on something more substantive, I've also seen him pull stunts like this regardless of alignment to see who would jump on, who is opposed and why, etc.

Do you think that is what he is doing here with Floyd? He's just focusing on him to gauge reactions?

JJJ's posts haven't persuaded me to change my overall read of him but they do seem genuine enough to leave me more confident that Diiny and FZ are bad.

TheFloyd73
Epignosis
MovingPictures07
MacDougall
DrWilgy
DFaraday
motel room
JaggedJimmyJay
FZ.
Diiny

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm here! Who else is around?

I'll finally start commenting on things as I catch up now.

I am around.

You're not at 122 yet.

MacDougall wrote:Yeah sick get to the part where motel room is bad.

I'm interested in JJJ's thoughts on that as well.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:After that defense, how do you feel about Epi's alignment overall JJJ?
I'm not finished.

mmmmmk

After that defense, how do you feel about Epi's alignment overall JJJ?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:To put it the most simply, Zebra: you seem to agree that if Epi is town, his initial approach to this game was a poor one.

I think Epi is a very capable townie and anything less than that is a valid reason to suspect him. I illustrated various examples of his play being beneath his standard, and that's frankly not very different from what he has insinuated about me at least once in this game. Neither of us seems to think the other is up to spec, and we're both casting suspicion for it.

I agree that he is a very capable townie, but also a very capable scummie. I don't think he would be playing the way he is as a bad guy, it's just too distinctive and noticeable. I was bad with him way back in Misfits and he was very careful, he didn't like me confronting him in-thread or being open about my reads in-thread.

It doesn't help that I gut read (and I mean pure gut) motel room as scum in TH when he was town, so my confidence in reading him has been damaged to say the least.

Sorry I was in da shower.

I like your case against motel room but I'm cautious about getting behind it for one reason and one reason only. He looks too bad. I know that's kind of a cop-out on my part, but I have trouble supporting the lynch of a player whose actions seem too dangerous and too overtly transparent for a baddie to make. I'm in kind of the same place with Wilgy, although in Wilgy's case his actions are pure WIFOM whereas with motel room I think I could be more easily convinced that he's more likely low-key scum than bizarre town. Time will tell.

MacDougall wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:I agreed (and still do) with each point you made, but again, it says nothing about Epi's alignment. That was what I wanted addressed, that's what you failed to address at the time, and that's what you changed your mind about when it resulted in some heat on you. Since you don't care about how convenient your timing looks, can you out yourself as scum already and we can make this a nice peaceful day that ends with your lynching?
How exactly does Epignosis throwing shade on those responsible for Enrique's lynch not indicate alignment. It's a hell of a thing for a guy to do to create a reaction. I actually give it a pretty bad look because the actual lynch of Enrique was the responsibility of at least some civilians due to the actual number on it, so for him to blanket state that we're all dumb for it isn't saying we're bad for it, so what exactly is it saying? You can take it both ways but it's an easy thing to invoke emotion out of so for you to say it says nothing about his alignment I don't agree with. Or are you saying that his posts aren't saying anything about Epi's alignment, not what Epi has actually done? If so, I actually tend to agree. But neither seem to be actually making points against each other that are alignment indicative so if it's bad they're both bad looks for it.

I must say I have now briefly entertained the idea that they are distancing from each other. Gosh an Epi + JJJ scum team is a scary proposition.

Now, Jimmy choosing to say that it was wrong rather than scummy indicates Jimmy thinks Epi is a civ I suppose. Which is, as you point out, an unusual backtrack for him.

I didn't interpret Epignosis' criticisms of the Enrique voters as throwing shade, just classic Epi shit-talking. You concede here that it looks more like he wasn't saying anyone was bad, but rather dumb. This is an Epi move that transcends alignment. So what I'm saying is that I wouldn't jump to conclusions that anything Epi has done in the game so far is alignment-indicative. Epi's more recent posts against JJJ definitely make a good case that JJJ is being opportunistic and manipulative, so I would say that Epi is making points against JJJ that is in fact alignment-indicative. I don't think their conflict is at a stalemate and I don't think they are teammates, but I won't rule out the possibility.

MacDougall wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Mac what do you make of JJJ's more recent posts?
JJJ has made numerous more recent posts so you're going to have to be specific. I haven't seen a thing from James to make me question his alignment. I often am guilty of trying to see what isn't there with him for the glory of the thing so I understand if that's happening but like, Epignosis is outright OMGUSing him and I can't really see fault in what James is saying about him and I have no idea what you apparently saw to vote for him. I swear I saw you basically call Epi's case on him Epi shit before so weren't you agreeing with him? So perhaps let's start with you explaining yourself and I'll see if I follow the logic hey?

Sure. First, I called Epi's post Epi shit primarily to show him the error of his ways and shocker, he didn't get the point. I also wasn't convinced that his reactionary vote to JJJ was nothing more than an OMGUS, at that point at least. I was in agreement with JJJ's criticisms of Epi but I didn't see how JJJ was reaching the conclusion that any of those criticisms were alignment-indicative, so I asked him what made him think that. He responded with more criticisms that, to me at least, also seemed just as likely to be Epi being Epi as any sort of manipulation. More likely, actually. Epi's next post responding to JJJ convinced me that he was in fact being opportunistic (manufactured, bullshit, etc) with Epi's actions and statements in the game so far, so I voted JJJ.

Fast forward a bit.

Now despite claiming to look forward to an argument, JJJ returned to the thread with this post, and this is the main one I was curious to hear your opinion about Mac.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Phone at work.

When I read Epi's case against me, my gut tells me "wrong" and not "manipulative". I'll re-examine my suspicion and defend myself when time permits.

Zebra's reception of his case reads town to me. Some others seem receptive-but-tentative though, as I'd expect from those who know it'd be a lynch of town JJJ.

We'll see how I feel tonight.

I think JJJ saw that his opportunistic attempts at turning town against Epi had been discovered, so he decided to back-track big time and say what a civ JJJ would have said in the first place; Epi's case is wrong but not manipulative. Ironically, JJJ's case is both wrong and manipulative. His promised re-examining of his suspicion is highly dubious, and when I call him out on it, he overreacts.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Zebra, I'm pretty sure the very next post in this thread after you asked me what made Epi bad was me pointing out things that I found suspicious about Epi.

I absolutely don't care whether my timing appears convenient. I post reads when I have them without concerning myself with how I'll look as a result.

Mac what do you make of JJJ's more recent posts?

I agreed (and still do) with each point you made, but again, it says nothing about Epi's alignment. That was what I wanted addressed, that's what you failed to address at the time, and that's what you changed your mind about when it resulted in some heat on you. Since you don't care about how convenient your timing looks, can you out yourself as scum already and we can make this a nice peaceful day that ends with your lynching?

You mean this post, JJJ? I didn't think it was addressed to me when you submitted it and I didn't think it was meant to be pointing out anything suspicious about Epi either. Because, you know, it doesn't.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Now let's examine why I think Epignosis is full of shit:

Epignosis wrote:And your vote for Enrique was the weakest maneuver I've ever witnessed you make.
You didn't care enough to say this until after I accused you of something. You stated awareness of my vote, but you literally did not give a shit:

Epignosis wrote:3J put his vote on Enrique first, and then wham bam no thank ya ma'am, Enrique's votes followed.

Epignosis wrote:I don't give a shit about the Cop lynch.

Still interested in FLOYD.
"the weakest maneuver I've ever witnessed [JaggedJimmyJay] make" isn't worth your time? Not until I attack you first?

Moreover, you've spent some time shitting in the Corn Flakes of those who contributed to Enrique's lynch while propping yourself up:

Epignosis wrote:
Enrique wrote:I'm dead and I was the cop and all of you suck.
I don't suck. Just sayin'.

Epignosis wrote:So the cop was of absolutely no use to anyone because people are morons. Gonna have to do this the old fashioned way.

Epignosis wrote:I don't see why you were saved and Enrique was obliterated.
So naturally we can assume Epignosis made a concerted effort to prevent this miserable moronic disaster.

*CTRL+F for "Enrique" in Epi's Day 1 posts*

*crickets chirping*

*tumbleweed blows over the thread*

Nothing whatsoever.

Do ya thang MP

Epignosis wrote:3J defends you to the degree of making me look bad.

You call me Epi (have we ever played together to any extent?).

Now a question for you: What is this:

2. Epi has done his only clever motion this game, but still wants me exterminated.

What does that mean?

Personal theory confirmed.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Phone at work.

When I read Epi's case against me, my gut tells me "wrong" and not "manipulative". I'll re-examine my suspicion and defend myself when time permits.

Zebra's reception of his case reads town to me. Some others seem receptive-but-tentative though, as I'd expect from those who know it'd be a lynch of town JJJ.

We'll see how I feel tonight.

It's a bit convenient that only after someone other than Epi finds your vote/case/whatever against him suspicious, you backtrack and say it now reads more wrong than manipulative. It doesn't help that you had no response to me when I asked you what about his posts made him actually bad.

FZ. wrote:I'm barely going to be around today. After reading responses, I'm going to put my vote on Wilgy for now. If anything interesting happens by the time I have to leave, I'll consider changing it.

You're playing such an easy game. Not effortless by any means, but easy. You buy into a cop claim that could very likely be fake (and surprise, it turned out to be) to justify a vote against someone you otherwise have no suspicion of, then the following day you proceed to vote for the person that made that fake claim without providing any specific reason as to why. You bad.

JJJ, FZ, Diiny. Bam.

It was Enrique himself who mentioned that it was a nice way to draw out the real cop, may he rest in peace.

Epignosis wrote:I will never understand you a2z.

The feeling is mutual and that is what makes life great.

Epignosis wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:That's not inspiring, and even if he is right about Floyd it would strike me as luck at best and calculated at worst. Epi doesn't strike me as the guy that plays for a lucky break.
Translation: Even if I'm right about Floyd, I don't deserve to be taken seriously because I either got lucky or I'm throwing him under the bus.

The reason I find this part of his post astounding is that 3J calls people out when he gets the impression someone is attacking his credibility rather than this argument. Yet here, 3J takes a shot at my credibility. He did the same thing with Enrique (see above).

I have never witnessed a civilian 3J (or many civilians, for that many), take such measured steps to assault someone's credibility BEFORE a flip, yet scream that it's bad behavior to impugn his own AFTER a flip.

According to 3J:

If Diiny is good, then Enrique can go after Wilgy. If Diiny is bad, then Enrique can go after Wilgy.

If Floyd is bad, then Epi is either lucky or a calculating teammate.

Neither of these items actually say anything, because they say everything. 3J swept the gamut of possibilities here, meanwhile giving himself an excuse to keep voting us.

It's manufactured. It's bullshit. And it's not a civilian 3J.

This is the town Epignosis I adore.

DrWilgy wrote:JJJ's argument is what sported me away from diiny... I still wanna lynch diiny, but I could see him as suspsishss

Not only that, but I think he's using arguments against Epi today that are attacking nothing more than his logic while masquerading as arguments that are an attack on his alignment. It reeks of opportunism.

Diiny wrote:Frequently used in place of the real arguments and evidence in their favour that scum often lack, or used as seen here to avoid accountability for stuff.

It's only alignment-indicative if the scum-motivated explanation is just as if not more likely than any other explanation. I don't think Wilgy is avoiding accountability either.

Also, it is not your job to lynch mafia. It is OUR job. If it was your job solely, Floyd would have been lynched Day 1. This is a team effort so if you want mafia to be lynched, then it absolutely is your job to be inspiring.

...

And recently, you have been.

JaggedJimmyJay

I understand your conduct is a town approach Epi, just not a good one.

Diiny wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Diiny wrote:And I have no idea why Zebra's treating it like it's no biggie.
I'm not, I just don't see how it's alignment-indicative.
You don't see how liberal use of wifom is alignment indicative?

Nope. Enlighten me.

Diiny wrote:And I have no idea why Zebra's treating it like it's no biggie.

I'm not, I just don't see how it's alignment-indicative.

JJJ I agree that Epi isn't playing a game I would endorse by any means, but why is he bad?

Hey Wilgy there's no better cure for hangovers than lynching a bad guy, and you're currently the cause of a tie preventing a lynch against that guy.

DrWilgy wrote:Diiny can you be any more disingenuous?

Diiny wrote:Top. Quality. Wifom.

10/10 would call a taxi

Whaaaaaaaaaaat the fuck. Why are we digging our own grave here? If scum is going to win this game let's at least give them a damn challenge.

Epignosis wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Okay FZ, I was reluctant to call you out on misrepresenting my argument when it comes to what exactly I think Wilgy is doing in this game in the last post I made, because I feel like I call people out on that too often when it's not true and/or warranted. But this is just too much. Let me go back and take a look at your magnificent concoction of assumptions and straw man arguments.
FZ. wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
FZ. wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:And I need to make it clear and more vocal that there's a difference between being wrong for being wrong and being wrong for being bad.
WTF does that supposed to mean?
You're only trying to justify your Diiny vote as being based on Wilgy's claim because it's easier to pull off as genuine than faking a reason why you think he is actually bad or at least inconspicuously parroting everyone else that does.
This is ridiculous. Either Wilgy is telling the truth or not. If he is, then I find trusting him to be the best thing to do. Since you're not voting Wilgy, I'm assuming you think he's lying about knowing for a fact Diiny is bad. If that's the case, you should be a lot more worried about him than you are me, but don't let logic confuse you.
Alright, so your assumption (and you even admit, it is in fact an assumption) that I think Wilgy is lying stems from me not voting for him? I could write a piece that Ayn Rand fanboys would appreciate based on how illogical that assumption is, but I'll move on instead.
FZ. wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:This is most likely because he's your teammate but it's still a valid hypothesis even if he's somehow not.
I must be really dense today, because I swear to god, I'm not understanding half the players this game.

Two options I've seen brought up:

1. Enrique: Wilgy and Diiny are bad. The former is throwing the latter under the bus by fake claiming something that the real cop knows is not true.

2. Zebra: Wilgy is lying, and taking the most stupid risk I've ever seen someone take (it's not like he can use some excuse that his actions got redirected or whatever) which will be discovered the minute Diiny is lynched, and I'm following him because it's easier to show I'm trusting him instead of finding a real reason to suspect someone.

I'd like to call at least one of you bad, but these theories seem so far fetched that I can't possibly think a baddie would be that crazy to try and pin them on people.
So to recap, you've gone from an assumption about one of my hypotheses based on me not voting for a particular player, to representing that assumption that you have made as an "option" that you've seen me brought up. Calling this misrepresentation wouldn't even do this justice anymore. This is lying, plain and simple. I don't think Wilgy is lying and I don't think he's telling the truth either. As I've already made clear earlier, what Wilgy is doing is pure WIFOM to me that could go too many different ways to make any assumptions about, which makes it all the easier for baddies such as yourself to use a fake perspective on what he is doing to your advantage. And you are not following him, you are faking following him. If you can't see that aspect of my argument then that means you've most likely been caught red-handed, because bottom line, that IS the argument itself.
This post is biggest bunch of zebra shit I've ever seen.

Epignosis wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I don't need a lecture about being inspiring and playing for lucky breaks from a guy who voted out the cop Day 1.
Horseshit ad hominem is beneath you. You're bad.
That's not an ad hominem, nor is it horseshit.
You ignored my accusation and attacked my credibility. Ad hominem.

My part in yesterday's lynch is irrelevant, and I did not lecture you.

I'm going to level with you. If you're town, you stink. You've done shit all and pretend to have high ground because shit all is better than a vote for the cop.

You're bad.
Attacking your credibility is not an ad hominem. If you are bad, then you should have no credibility.

Now, the underlined, THAT's an ad hominem, Chuckles.

Presently, I have done more for the civilians than you have. You are, as of now, a liability to the civilians. If we had voted out Floyd Day 1 and even then he turned out to be a civilian, that STILL would have been a superior play than what transpired. And your vote for Enrique was the weakest maneuver I've ever witnessed you make. Observe:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Doc's review of Enrique brought me to this post.

Enrique wrote:
motel room wrote:
Enrique wrote:u first tiger
right, i'm suss of you because of your little hop away from your Diiny vote to voting Wilgy after his cop claim, to getting back on Diiny. Reads like you didn't know where to sit and now have a theory involving them both being scum.
I want to hear YOUR opinion on Diiny.

For the record, I've always been perfectly okay with a Diiny lynch. Wilgy did look more dangerous for a bit, but really, as long as we get a bad guy today there's no rush. Lynching DrWilgy is taking too big a risk atm when we know so little about what he's trying to do.

I think Diiny is scum. I think DrWilgy most likely is but until Diiny is gone, we don't want to lynch him.

The highlighted bits seem a bit inflated to me -- as in they assign importance and seriousness to something that I don't think needs to be viewed that way. Why is lynching DrWilgy a "big risk" by comparison to lynching the guy he claimed to red peek when most of us thought it was a lie anyway?

Moreover, Enrique has been entertaining the notion that Doc and Diiny are both Mafia, which makes me wonder what he thinks Diiny's lynch would reveal about Doc that he hasn't already implied. If Diiny flips town, his suspicion of Doc can persist for obvious reasons (he lied about a red peek and pushed hard for an errant lynch). If Diiny flips mafia, then his suspicion of Doc can still persist based on his own exploration of the bussing possibility.

So I'm not sure this post aligns nicely with Enrique's own stated mindset.
According to this post, you define "seems a bit inflated to me" as "[assigning] importance and seriousness to something [you] don't think needs to be viewed that way." Aside from the hedged phrasing there ("seems a bit"), the definition of "inflated" you provided is now discredited. You then ask a question that Enrique answered in the post you quoted (it's risky to lynch Wilgy before learning where he was going with his cop claim...bear in mind that it's the cop allowing WIlgy's antic).

In the second section, you preemptively cast suspicion on Enrique based on a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. That is a rotten tactic, and, ironically, it allows YOU to maintain an Enrique suspicion if Enrique survives Day 1 and Dinny is lynched either way.

So 3J, if you are the arbiter of who is stinking as a civilian, I'm not at all bothered with the insult. But you're not the arbiter of who stinks as a civilians- Mafia don't get to decide that.

I'm calling 3J and Floyd as teammates.

This is the biggest pile of Epi shit I've ever seen.

Diiny wrote:
TheFloyd73 wrote: Linki- I agree FZ, this game is getting pretty awful.

FZ. wrote:This game is getting worse by the minute

I need to reread people, and I don't have time for it now.
How much do you want to bet that one or both of these posters are scum

Nothing, thanks. Are you implying that either of those particular posts are scummy?

Diiny wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Diiny wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Diiny wrote:FZ's grappling with Wilgy makes sense to me, it's a confusing situation, and FZ strikes me as someone wanting to get to the bottom of it quick. What gives me more pause is her stance on me which isn't very solid. I'd be glad to see someone say I wasn't bad normally, but she seemed to want to stay out of the entire conflict, possibly because she knows I'll flip town if I die but doesn't want the hassle of defending someone a lot of people think is bad. She has some pretty brutal disses in her post history.

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link: fug
How poetic that my biggest scum read understands the reasoning behind my second biggest scum read better than anyone else.
Wait, this reasoning for your second scum read doesn't even make sense if I'm scum. And you underlined stuff that involved me being town specifically. What's up?
It makes sense because my suspicion of FZ isn't dependent on you being her teammate as others seemed to think it was. Her distancing of you while simultaneously voting for you is equally questionable whether you're her teammate or not. If you're scum, it makes just as much sense and actually makes her distancing of you more easily understood. What on earth did I underline that involved you being town? You're not town.
"possibly because she knows I'll flip town if I die"

You commented that I understand your reasoning but a big part of my reasoning was me being town. I understand your stance as you've posted it just now. Was my understanding of your problem with FZ summed up in "What gives me more pause is her stance on me which isn't very solid. I'd be glad to see someone say I wasn't bad normally, but she seemed to want to stay out of the entire conflict..." ?

That doesn't involve you being town, it acknowledges the possibility. It clarifies that FZ being bad is not dependent on you being bad as well, which is something that I think a number of people didn't get when I was questioning FZ. You've summed up my issue just fine, gracias.

MacDougall wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Diiny wrote:Me too. Why can't you talk about the potential baddie influence on lynching the cop AND be interested in floyd?
Why "can't?"

Is there some restriction on me?

I'll talk about what I like. I have nothing to say about it.

I want to lynch FLOYD.
You keep saying that but you're not trying to convince anybody to do it.

B-b-b-b-but FLOYD.

Enrique wrote:...

I talk like myself. Shocker. GG ruining the game.

Once you submitted this post, you submitted your death.

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