The Syndicate

leetic wrote:I'm voting zebra, since he was the only person who knew what he was doing on D6.

Thanks! Personally I disqualify everyone on the losing side and only choose between the winners, but that's just me.

I was definitely on to Bullzeye and I had a mild sense that gleam was being too nice to me, but DrWilgy had me completely fooled. He gets my vote.

Quin wrote:i hate myself

dont

That's going to be a better indication of who is actually bad than anything else so far in the game.

You better believe I'm watching the vote patterns like a hawk.

The reason I'm not voting for MM is because like you said, everyone else is on board with him. It shouldn't be everyone if he's actually bad.

agleaminranks wrote:This is our last effin' chance to send the Titans packing.

Exactly, so why when the Titans have nothing to lose would they bus a teammate and give the rest of us a chance to win unnecessarily?

Quin, you didn't mention a single alignment-indicative thing in your entire post about me. That's the kind of attitude that's given mafia the upper hand for most of this game, not gut reads.

You mention right after that statement that I've been stuck on the same group of people for most of the game, gee, maybe that's because I don't have much influence over the thread and if anything up until very recently people have been doing the opposite of what I've recommended? If I had influence than the small group of people that I've been suspecting for ages now would've been lynched as opposed to civ after civ.

Quin wrote:It's highly authoritative and it's given her a lot of steer power over the flow of the thread.

You're kidding right?

I'll place a vote on Bullzeye for now just in case I'm not free tomorrow but I'll be doing some independent research and that vote may change.

The main thing people seem to be agreeing on is that MM is bad. I won't be voting for him today.

Bullzeye wrote:I never said his vote was disingenuous or contrived. As a matter of fact voting to save yourself is the most honest form of voting there is. There's no lie involved, it's pure self-preservation. Surely you aren't suddenly going to leap to the defense of someone you've spent most of the game demanding the lynch of.

You...really didn't get the point of that post even though it was a word-for-word copy of yours? Wow.

You two were the last two on the sig wagon. There was no reason for either of you to wait that long to vote for him if either of your votes were genuine. Don't pretend that I'm simply criticizing the reasons behind your votes or your play style when I made no such implication. I said that your votes are disingenuous. You don't have to put words in my mouth to deny it, and the fact that you did isn't helping you at all.

Bullzeye wrote:If you insist, I'll happily get behind an MM lynch tomorrow. Seems like he waited to vote until the timing was just right for him to save himself and be sure he'd be safe.

None of his votes have been contrived or disingenuous. You may dislike the reasons behind them or how he's played this game but that doesn't make him bad.

Your sig vote is contrived just like all of your votes so far. It's blatantly disingenuous.

That confirms it, our baddies are Metalmarsh89 and Bullzeye.

insertnamehere wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:INH, why did you tell Zeebs "K"?

Cause that's the only response I have for her.

Who are you thinkin bput voting?

Neither of the people who have votes right now, that's for sure. Yes, it'll more or less be a throwaway, but I'd rather stick to my guns than lynch someone I think is civ.

You think both MM and sig are civs? Wow.

Nobody has said anything that has convinced me that they aren't.

You do you, but I don't need to ever be convinced that a player isn't civ, I need to be convinced that a player is civ.

insertnamehere wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:INH, why did you tell Zeebs "K"?

Cause that's the only response I have for her.

Who are you thinkin bput voting?

Neither of the people who have votes right now, that's for sure. Yes, it'll more or less be a throwaway, but I'd rather stick to my guns than lynch someone I think is civ.

You think both MM and sig are civs? Wow.

Because I'm 100% done with tolerating shitty fucking lynches in this game lol

unless they're mine

Quin wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I have just a tiny amount of doubt with my baddie read of sig, but that amount is still too big for me to not advocate Metalmarsh89 instead. That being said, I won't oppose a sig lynch or a Bullzeye lynch. Any other lynch I will strongly oppose.

I won't be changing my vote from sig, so I would recommend that that if you still think sig is bad that you vote with me on this. When he flips bad, which he inevitably will, I'll consider other options.

Part of the opposition is that if I see that any other lynch besides the three I mentioned is competing with sig (or Bullzeye) then I'll switch my vote to sig in a heartbeat.

I have just a tiny amount of doubt with my baddie read of sig, but that amount is still too big for me to not advocate Metalmarsh89 instead. That being said, I won't oppose a sig lynch or a Bullzeye lynch. Any other lynch I will strongly oppose.

Not really, I don't find you suspicious and town needs all the help we can get right now.

Seriously, can we lynch at least one of the Metalmarsh89, sig, and Bullzeye group? I said they were mafia a (real-time) week ago and not one of them has been lynched. Instead it's just been horribly justified lynch after horribly justified lynch and town has yet to learn its lesson.

linki - My response would be that your heart is full of shit. I would deem actual reason to be suspecting people for things that are actually alignment-indicative for once in the history of mafia. Take motivation into account instead of just "oh this is peculiar, that must be bad herp derp" and all that.

I'm starting to like this idea more and more...

rabbit8 wrote:I quit. Just lynch me please.

That comment made no sense sarcastically or otherwise.

In fact the reason I said "cheers for thoughtful analysis" as opposed to "cheers for your thoughtful analysis" is because I'm not making fun of any particular player's attempt to use analysis to catch baddies, I'm making fun of how the past THREE mislynches in a fucking row have been inspired by "thoughtful analysis" and each of which have completely ignored actual reason. Can we stop navel-gazing ourselves into an early grave and follow our heart for once?

If you're talking about analysis, I haven't pretended to have any. I'm following my gut. If that disappoints you, cry me a river.

My what?

agleaminranks wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I'm not tunneling anyone. I'm the one who opposed the horrible last two lynches. We need to lynch Metalmarsh89.

What's your thought on MM? He hasn't made a whole lot of posts so far in this game. I could see him being a lackadaisical Mafia member trying to skirt attention, but otherwise I don't know. The lynch results have been shit so far. I don't want to risk one more bad vote.

That's exactly what I think he's doing. The civilian MM that I've come to know is much more vocal and much more carefree with what he says, not worrying about the amount of flack he'll get for various statements and actions, similar to myself actually. I think he was saved yesterday, if you look at his vote record it's pretty damning as well, although I don't think that vote records by themselves should sway anyone to be suspicious of someone.

insertnamehere wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:We need to lynch Metalmarsh89.

With a comprehensive and flawless argument like that, how could I say no?

Would you rather I pretended to have an extremely thought-out detailed account of his actions in the thread and why that makes him bad so everyone could scroll past it and treat it with no more interest than what I've already said? My suspicion of MM is simple and I'm not going to pretend that it's complex and intricate to try to win more people over.

rabbit8 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:For the record, I acknowledge some responsibility in Bass' lynch. I should've fought against it, but I was not online when Bass took the lead and before then I did not think he would get the lead. I should've fought against it anyway but what's done is done.

You helped with the bass lynch by voting for him then not saving him? You really felt the need to make this post because... ? Sounds like you're distancing your defense you never made from, what? Your vote of him that day? This is a weird defense for something you where never accused of..... I don't like it.

I don't understand this post so I'm going to imply that there's no reason for it to exist and that this person is suspicious because I don't see where they're coming from.

a2thezebra wrote:

leetic wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I also think that sig is bad but I've been wrong about sig too many times to put my vote there...for now.

Why are you relying on meta reads? Keep this post in mind if sig flips scum.

I'm not relying on meta reads, I'm relying(?) on my failure to read a particular player.

No you're relying on not getting your teammate lynched with meta bullshit, I think. By saying you think he is bad you're covering you're bases, I think.

If he was my teammate I wouldn't be on the fence with him. I'd either be defending him hard or attacking him with everything I've got. Unlike the last two garbage lynches, I will not oppose a sig lynch even though I won't contribute to it with a vote myself, so I'm trying to keep him from getting lynched then I'm doing a shit job of it.

a2thezebra wrote:

sig wrote:Is there a reason to lynch MM?

Would you rather be lynched instead?

So, no reason. I couldn't find one you made regarding MM.

That response was re-affirming that I am not opposed to lynch sig, stop misrepresenting me. You don't actually think that that response was meant to be a direct and honest answer to the question so the fact that you're treating it like one tells me that you're full of shit with your entire contrived suspicion of me that has come out of nowhere.

a2thezebra wrote:Let's lynch Metalmarsh89 already.

Still no reason.

It was stated earlier. You've been extremely careful not to reference it.

a2thezebra wrote:I'm not tunneling anyone. I'm the one who opposed the horrible last two lynches. We need to lynch Metalmarsh89.

Yes, yes you are.

Who am I tunneling?

rabbit8 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I'm not tunneling anyone. I'm the one who opposed the horrible last two lynches. We need to lynch Metalmarsh89.

And you never opposed the Bass lynch, you claimed you did, but you didn't.

You switched you're vote at the end of the day, that's not opposing it.

You never opposed either lynch. You threatened sig with a lynch. But oppose, no.

That's lying, who does that?

I admitted that I'm partially responsible for Bass' lynch because I didn't oppose it vocally enough, but I did oppose it. How was switching my vote from one candidate to another, neither of which were Bass, relevant to how much I opposed Bass? You're seeming more and more desperate to misrepresent me and at this point it's extremely suspicious. If MM flips bad then I'm coming after you.

sig wrote: Maybe the mafia targeted our bulletproof civ last night and that is why there was no kill.

I think maybe you're on to something there. Who was the night update post consistently referencing again? It might be that person. Maybe we should look at their reads and see if mafia targeted them because they were on to something.

I'm not tunneling anyone. I'm the one who opposed the horrible last two lynches. We need to lynch Metalmarsh89.

Let's lynch Metalmarsh89 already.

Another terrible lynch. Town, get your act together please.

agleaminranks wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

agleaminranks wrote:Zeebs, I'm confused. Not being able to read a player makes them likelier to be civilian?

Where did I say that?

a2thezebra wrote:

leetic wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I also think that sig is bad but I've been wrong about sig too many times to put my vote there...for now.

Why are you relying on meta reads? Keep this post in mind if sig flips scum.

I'm not relying on meta reads, I'm relying(?) on my failure to read a particular player.

This was also right after defending Wilgy as being good. Maybe I misread your intentions.

If you read the post that you're quoting you'll see that I don't state or imply that my failure to read sig makes him more likely to be civilian, it just means that I'm not comfortable putting my vote there.

agleaminranks wrote:Zeebs, I'm confused. Not being able to read a player makes them likelier to be civilian?

Where did I say that?

sig wrote:Is there a reason to lynch MM?

Would you rather be lynched instead?

Fuck yeah. You're going down MM.

leetic wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I also think that sig is bad but I've been wrong about sig too many times to put my vote there...for now.

Why are you relying on meta reads? Keep this post in mind if sig flips scum.

I'm not relying on meta reads, I'm relying(?) on my failure to read a particular player.

DrWilgy wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:Wilgy is civ.

Why?

I don't known how I missed your answer in linki.

Patterns. I say this every game I play with you and people still ask me why.

Wilgy is civ.

I also think that sig is bad but I've been wrong about sig too many times to put my vote there...for now.

leetic wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:My comment was clearly a joke, yours just looks like you're directly criticising the people who voted Bass. You don't even frame it as an accusation, just that they should have known he wasn't bad.

Your joke served no purpose, my criticism did not. And the underlined is true, what is your objection exactly? I'd like to hear from the people that voted Bass because I don't understand why they suspected him. It's not a criticism of them, but their actions. Is that not cool or what?

I made an entire wallpost on the topic, so you can look at that if you wish.

Seems legit. I won't vote for you today. I will, however, vote for Metalmarsh89.

For the record, I acknowledge some responsibility in Bass' lynch. I should've fought against it, but I was not online when Bass took the lead and before then I did not think he would get the lead. I should've fought against it anyway but what's done is done.

sig wrote:I wanted to push someone ahead of me, I thought leetic looked good and didn't see the case on Gleam so I voted for Bass who looked the scummiest simply.

That's all fine and dandy, but I'm looking for some elaboration as to why exactly you found him the scummiest.

rabbit8 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:My comment was clearly a joke, yours just looks like you're directly criticising the people who voted Bass. You don't even frame it as an accusation, just that they should have known he wasn't bad.

Your joke served no purpose, my criticism did not. And the underlined is true, what is your objection exactly? I'd like to hear from the people that voted Bass because I don't understand why they suspected him. It's not a criticism of them, but their actions. Is that not cool or what?

You think all three players that voted for Bass are bad?

No, just two of them. :P

I do want to hear from all three of them though.

Bullzeye wrote:My comment was clearly a joke, yours just looks like you're directly criticising the people who voted Bass. You don't even frame it as an accusation, just that they should have known he wasn't bad.

Your joke served no purpose, my criticism did not. And the underlined is true, what is your objection exactly? I'd like to hear from the people that voted Bass because I don't understand why they suspected him. It's not a criticism of them, but their actions. Is that not cool or what?

Bullzeye wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:That was a bad lynch. Bass did nothing to indicate that he was mafia and everyone who voted for him should've known that.

Also I don't like the attitude of this post, it's like "Oh I'm so clever look at all these idiots whose opinion I disagree with".

You mean like this attitude?

Bullzeye wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:Metalmarsh89, sig, and Bullzeye are mafia.

Probably not, probably, no.

1/3. Sorry, you need at least 40% for a pass. 33.3% is a failing grade.

I was not trying to come off as clever just for voicing my disappointment with what I feel was a bad lynch. Given the flip, it's not really an opinion either. If you're going to be hypocritical (and with game-irrelevant criticism to boot) at least make sure the post you're criticizing qualifies.

Tsk tsk.