The Syndicate

I can't really defend myself here right now, I've said before I won't be available from 4-6nov evening time so at least give me till next round to prove myself to you all instead of lynching me as an easy target here.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:22 pm Ok I'm generally feeling good but Dunya's posts but I'm pinged that she came and started buddying me on my suspicion of MP and repeating the same arguments as me without actually voting for MP herself. Reeks of bandwagoning.

Why? He was my second suspect. Kyle was my first. I made that pretty clear. I voted for Kyle and stuck with Kyle all the way through until I led the vote tally with 3 votes against me suddenly started by MP and Quin and speedchuck, who followed.

Kyle was the only one I voted for, MP was the one my spped vote was locked on at the end.

Sorry I'm in stockholm and can't catch up.

I'll try to read as much as I can before voting deadline

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:08 pm How you can’t even fathom why I suspect you only for you to turn it around on me reeks of opportunism and you’re the one who looks fake.

This sounds so familiar...

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:49 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:24 pm Because he lives with me. This has 0 to do with my role, or even his alignment. Why does no one find it weird that a spouse puts a pressure vote on someone knowing full well if they have had time to be in the thread or not. If you lived with someone who was playing, and knew for a fact they have not been in the thread, would you put a pressure vote on them? how does a pressure vote get me in here? It doesn't. I am affected by it literally not at all. Thus I find it ridiculous, useless and easy. Pressure vote someone who you don't know if has been in the thread, sure. That makes sense.

I understand that, I'd probably be peeved by it too.

You did make an appearance in the Chika thread though, which is why I wasn't as concerned by MP's "pressure vote". I appreciate the genuine response though. /adds it in notes

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:24 pm Because he lives with me. This has 0 to do with my role, or even his alignment. Why does no one find it weird that a spouse puts a pressure vote on someone knowing full well if they have had time to be in the thread or not. If you lived with someone who was playing, and knew for a fact they have not been in the thread, would you put a pressure vote on them? how does a pressure vote get me in here? It doesn't. I am affected by it literally not at all. Thus I find it ridiculous, useless and easy. Pressure vote someone who you don't know if has been in the thread, sure. That makes sense.

I understand that, I'd probably be peeved by it too.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:48 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:46 pm MP showed up. I appreciate it. I know how time is tight. But I don't feel the passion and heat and fury of a thousand suns. Something's just not there and I'd feel like a baboon's ass if it were just a time issue and being worried about everything in RL. But I can't shake that feeling off.

If you don't feel what I'm bringing right now, I don't know what to say. "Something's just not there". Elaborate. Point to a post. This just reads like an excuse to justify consistency on me, and I find that suspect.

You know, despite my oftentimes good intuition on RYM, I got lynched constantly by people because sometimes feelings can't be proof or explained. I'd beg them to lynch someone, and they wouldn't do it. I'm not JJJ, I won't post analysis and statistics on everyone at the same time. I read and self-analyze. Some things trigger reactions from me: good or bad.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:09 am @MovingPictures07 Enjoy the last time you get any response whatsoever from your "pressure vote" which does literally 0 to get me to read or post, I think it is useless and you will never hear me comment on it again. this time around you didn't even say you thought I was suspicious. Which in itself is mildly suspicious because last time it got a very passionate reaction from me. Is that why you didn't use it here? Either way, your so called pressure vote on me is in my opinion easy and therefore lazy.

btw, I could see a DDL/MP pairing as well, given how DDL was hem hawing between MP and Quin and then ended up voting Quin.

I find this post a bit overly sensitive/defensive. Granted, I've never played a full game with you and MP. Why does it bother that you much?

I also called you out for not having any posts. You seemed to get upset about that too.

Can someone tell me if this is typical Daisy behavior?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:41 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:35 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:33 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:31 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:25 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:08 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:07 pm is it still common practice to bold your votes or is that not a thing anymore

It's a good idea but kinda mitigated by the use of lynch polls

the lynch poll doesn't record past vote placements or timing which. making the votes stick out is incredibly important, without it this could take hours. :\ i really don't see why doing both would go out of fashion, it used to be a requirement, iirc.

how about this, can everyone please write in a post who they voted for, and at what time that vote came in in relative to the day's end? Please? i'll put it together i just need the data

I voted for MP 2 hours and 15 minutes before the end of day

this bothered me a lot initially. still does. a huge part of info gathering is factoring in unvotes and how people choose their votes and WHEN they vote and who to (where the vote tally is at the time of their vote, see the switches, see the wagons as they form). I was kinda surprised about how they did vote counts at the syndicate. it's easier, but a little harder to get info from those votes and see voting patterns further than EOD.

Does that mean you'll help?

absolutely. I'll post all my votes in bold hereon and if I unvote I'll bold unvote too before switching and voting in the poll.

I appreciate that a lot but I was hoping to get some players to post the times and subjects of their votes from the day 1 phase. Day 1 was 14 pages long and I don't think I can do this alone :x

If everyone looks through their own posts and submits the timing of their votes it'll make a 3 hour task into 10 16 minute tasks

a lot of people didn't post ITT who their last vote was for, though. That's the problem with that.

have MP and Daisy ever been scum together in a mafia game?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:38 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:07 pm All this talk, although agreeable, reeks of TMI. If Wilgy comes up town, I'm betting dunya, Daisy, and/or Kyle knows Wilgy is town.

What is a TMI

too much info

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:16 pm I will say while talking, I am also finding daddy's recent posts somewhat suspect.

When I responded to her awhile back I thought her post was a godsend of Civ light. Now I'm not so sure.

btw this hurt me a lot. i want to be a godsend of civ light

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:33 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:31 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:25 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:08 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:07 pm is it still common practice to bold your votes or is that not a thing anymore

It's a good idea but kinda mitigated by the use of lynch polls

the lynch poll doesn't record past vote placements or timing which. making the votes stick out is incredibly important, without it this could take hours. :\ i really don't see why doing both would go out of fashion, it used to be a requirement, iirc.

how about this, can everyone please write in a post who they voted for, and at what time that vote came in in relative to the day's end? Please? i'll put it together i just need the data

I voted for MP 2 hours and 15 minutes before the end of day

this bothered me a lot initially. still does. a huge part of info gathering is factoring in unvotes and how people choose their votes and WHEN they vote and who to (where the vote tally is at the time of their vote, see the switches, see the wagons as they form). I was kinda surprised about how they did vote counts at the syndicate. it's easier, but a little harder to get info from those votes and see voting patterns further than EOD.

Does that mean you'll help?

absolutely. I'll post all my votes in bold hereon and if I unvote I'll bold unvote too before switching and voting in the poll.

i meant easier to count the votes. that's the only benefit I see.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:25 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:08 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:07 pm is it still common practice to bold your votes or is that not a thing anymore

It's a good idea but kinda mitigated by the use of lynch polls

the lynch poll doesn't record past vote placements or timing which. making the votes stick out is incredibly important, without it this could take hours. :\ i really don't see why doing both would go out of fashion, it used to be a requirement, iirc.

how about this, can everyone please write in a post who they voted for, and at what time that vote came in in relative to the day's end? Please? i'll put it together i just need the data

I voted for MP 2 hours and 15 minutes before the end of day

this bothered me a lot initially. still does. a huge part of info gathering is factoring in unvotes and how people choose their votes and WHEN they vote and who to (where the vote tally is at the time of their vote, see the switches, see the wagons as they form). I was kinda surprised about how they did vote counts at the syndicate. it's easier, but a little harder to get info from those votes and see voting patterns further than EOD.

and also, I'll try to address individual issues raised against me (that weren't previously raised until end of day 1--so I have to find out what they are).

I'm a little burnt out from doing detective work right now and going into MP/ Kyle / Quin / the non-posters. It's past 12am here. I'll do some more digging tomorrow before night ends.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:07 pm is it still common practice to bold your votes or is that not a thing anymore

i miss those days. when you had to vote itt not a poll. So much confusion. So much awesomeness.

jesus, MP has 163 posts itt now?!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:57 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:56 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:55 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:52 pm i realized i wasn't quoting, i'll go back and clarify later

Not necessary, I'll summarize once we're complete.

thanks, i love you

Careful, I don't share.

feisty. I like it

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:55 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:54 pm i feel like i'm going against all my principles by doing this btw. I need analysis and time to form concrete reads. This rush and gun to head is not my style.

I empathize completely. That's the point of the exercise though. Get out of your comfort zone, dunya.

i don't know how correct my gun to head reads are.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:53 pm GTH reads exercise, Night 1
Part 5

SPACEDAISY

SPANKGANGSTA

SPEEDCHUCK

scum

town

town

i feel like i'm going against all my principles by doing this btw. I need analysis and time to form concrete reads. This rush and gun to head is not my style.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:52 pm GTH reads exercise, Night 1
Part 4

QUIN

SIG

scum

town

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:50 pm GTH reads exercise, Night 1
Part 3

MOVINGPICTURES07

NEWTRADITIONALIST

scum

jesus how do i answer newtraditionalist...... town

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:48 pm GTH reads exercise, Night 1
Part 2

KYLEMII

LONG CON

scum

town

we can choose scum or town for both? I didn't know that.

oh jesus. Everyone thinks I'm scum? Wow. Nothing's changed from my RYM days

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:45 pm GTH reads exercise, Night 1
Part 1

DRAGON D. LUFFY

DUNYA

SCUM

TOWN

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:39 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:30 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:29 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:22 pm Anyone down for GTH reads?

What does this entail?

Someone throws down player names, a few at a time, and you say either 'Town' or 'Scum' for each person. You must make a choice.

@dunya

I will throw down the player names in quick succession, everyone states civ/town or mafia/scum as quickly as humanly possible, like you have a gun to your head (hence the expression and abbreviation GTH).

ok in!

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:40 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:37 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:32 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:30 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:22 pm I never said anything about rushed lynch decisions. I said you apologized to MP as if he had already been revealed civ. It read as if you no longer believe he is bad, despite your vote. I can read MP pretty well and not even I feel 100% convinced of his alignment at the moment. So your apology to him sure looked to me like you know he is civ.

linki: With Wilgy, you never can tell...

you're completely misinterpreting my posts. I was suspicious of MP. MP posted a lot in a short timeframe at the end where I could not read all his posts. He targeted me and I felt it wasn't genuine of him to ISO Quin just to get the heat off him. While it's a civ effort, it could also be a mafia effort. He voted for me, with Quin and someone else. It was three votes against me. Of course I'm voting for him. I don't especially want to without reading his contributions without being bombarded with 20 new posts in 2 mins at the end. It was rushed. I apoligized for rushing it. I don't usually do that, but panicked.

Do you think it was a civ or mafia effort, in hindsight?

I have to go back and read all his posts, don't I?

Why did you vote for me?

it was going to go between you, me, MP, Wilgy and DDL. Between you and Wilgy, you're the only one I could substantiate a vote for.

why? why me over wilgy?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:33 pm dunya, you in for gun to head reads?

What is that?

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:32 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:30 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:22 pm I never said anything about rushed lynch decisions. I said you apologized to MP as if he had already been revealed civ. It read as if you no longer believe he is bad, despite your vote. I can read MP pretty well and not even I feel 100% convinced of his alignment at the moment. So your apology to him sure looked to me like you know he is civ.

linki: With Wilgy, you never can tell...

you're completely misinterpreting my posts. I was suspicious of MP. MP posted a lot in a short timeframe at the end where I could not read all his posts. He targeted me and I felt it wasn't genuine of him to ISO Quin just to get the heat off him. While it's a civ effort, it could also be a mafia effort. He voted for me, with Quin and someone else. It was three votes against me. Of course I'm voting for him. I don't especially want to without reading his contributions without being bombarded with 20 new posts in 2 mins at the end. It was rushed. I apoligized for rushing it. I don't usually do that, but panicked.

Do you think it was a civ or mafia effort, in hindsight?

I have to go back and read all his posts, don't I?

Why did you vote for me?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:22 pm I never said anything about rushed lynch decisions. I said you apologized to MP as if he had already been revealed civ. It read as if you no longer believe he is bad, despite your vote. I can read MP pretty well and not even I feel 100% convinced of his alignment at the moment. So your apology to him sure looked to me like you know he is civ.

linki: With Wilgy, you never can tell...

you're completely misinterpreting my posts. I was suspicious of MP. MP posted a lot in a short timeframe at the end where I could not read all his posts. He targeted me and I felt it wasn't genuine of him to ISO Quin just to get the heat off him. While it's a civ effort, it could also be a mafia effort. He voted for me, with Quin and someone else. It was three votes against me. Of course I'm voting for him. I don't especially want to without reading his contributions without being bombarded with 20 new posts in 2 mins at the end. It was rushed. I apoligized for rushing it. I don't usually do that, but panicked.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:15 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:13 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:11 pm Hey Kyle... don't drink coffee and hour before the EOD.

This was a crazy EoD. I think we are either seeing a DDL/Quin pairing (my gut still leans this way) or an MP/Quin pairing (within the realm of possibility)

If Wilgy gets lynched and flips civ (which I feel pretty confident he will) I think speechuck deserves a bit scrutiny as well.

linki: dunya, your post just put you into a solid suspicion for me... you seem to think MP is civ more than even I do at the moment.

look at the hypocrisy all over this post

yeesh

The difference between me and you is that you made an apology to MP for going after him, as if you already know he is civ. We have not had a lynch flip yet. I am open to all possibilities and most of my leanings are leaning bad. You on the other hand are leaning civ. That looks really bad to me.

sorry, I'm not in the habit of making rushed lynch decisions.

I apologized because I genuinely did not feel MP was my top Day 1 suspect. He posted A LOT of content and I wasn't able to go through everything as well as I wanted. I don't like resulting in ties.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:11 pm Hey Kyle... don't drink coffee and hour before the EOD.

This was a crazy EoD. I think we are either seeing a DDL/Quin pairing (my gut still leans this way) or an MP/Quin pairing (within the realm of possibility)

If Wilgy gets lynched and flips civ (which I feel pretty confident he will) I think speechuck deserves a bit scrutiny as well.

linki: dunya, your post just put you into a solid suspicion for me... you seem to think MP is civ more than even I do at the moment.

look at the hypocrisy all over this post

yeesh

Sorry MP I really panicked and felt like you were taking me on a ride. I wish I had 3 hours with you to assess everything new you said.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:01 pm Guys Quin is bad, did you keep an eye on his vote pattern? One of his teammates were up to die.

Agreed.

You're making a huge mistake lynching me. I don't like it.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:54 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:52 pm MP: you haven't done much to justify yourself against our suspicions. You went after Quin as soon as you could initially because that was your way out of the lynch. It seemed like a forced case against him. Moving to DDL feels better, but still.

I don't even know what those suspicions are, for fuck's sake, I said this multiple times: I'm still on page 4 or whatever. I've been in here generating reads with every ounce of my being. If you have a beef with me, state it now, and I'll address it however I can, but if my recent efforts haven't moved you, I'm not sure what I can say. Sorry you don't believe me for whatever reason.

Everything is moving WAY too fast I can't address everything right now

I didn't vote for MP. I didn't eliminate him from my suspect pool. I am allowed to be weary of someone who comes in and tries to lynch the next leading lynch.

I feel it's rather harsh of you to criticize my sincerity when you came in late and just ISOd the next biggest suspect and expected me to feel it was genuine on your part. I mean sorry but not sorry if I ain't feeling it right this second.

MP: you haven't done much to justify yourself against our suspicions. You went after Quin as soon as you could initially because that was your way out of the lynch. It seemed like a forced case against him. Moving to DDL feels better, but still.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:46 pm dunya, you're here. Talk to me. Pick just one person who should go and why, hurry.

my list I previously shared:

People I'd be willing to lynch today in order:

Kyle - I appreciate the excuse of being rusty (me too dude, apart from Seinfeld I played here, and the few days I was alive in Street Fighter mafia, I haven't played in aaaages). Still, something strikes me as insincere. Something strikes me as being mafia and trying to hard to be townie. Something strikes me as playing it too safe and trying to appear purposely unknowledgeable. I stand by it. Even yesterdays "rainbow list and reads" were like a mafia coverup trying to keep everyone somewhat happy because you're taking initiative and making an effort so to keep them at bay. Didn't like it.

MovingPicture - I want to say your dissertation is reason of your absence. But you have people suspecting you. Townie you would be going bonkers at this point. You haven't made a suspect list. Your contributions day 1 were out there, but timid. Every time someone answered a query, you said you were happy with that explanation. Where are you? Why aren't you probing harder? Why are you encouraging a Day 1 no-poster lynch?

Quin - wishy washy. Had him down as semi-town. Participation has dwindled down quite noticeably and I wonder if that's in part due to fear of being eliminated since some heat was thrown his way, and wanting to show up at the eleventh hour to cast a vote. Seems too obvious, so I don't like it. Prove me wrong.

MP showed up. I appreciate it. I know how time is tight. But I don't feel the passion and heat and fury of a thousand suns. Something's just not there and I'd feel like a baboon's ass if it were just a time issue and being worried about everything in RL. But I can't shake that feeling off.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:34 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:33 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:09 pm
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I am in your red with no explanation that i have seen.

Is this really true? I find that hard to believe coming from dunya.

yep. fourth suspect, is not really an issue to be addressed on day 1. I felt if MP was civ, Daisy would be scum and vice versa. She hasn't contributed much in way of actual scumspects and thoughts beyond game mechanics so....she's a fourth.

I hope MP can come in show us what he's about.

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