The Syndicate

DrWilgy wrote:I got an excersize for everyone to partake in. If I were a protagonist, I would currently have _____.

I will start:
If I were a protagonist, I would currently have a Purple pikmin.

I would like everyone to copy this format.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Here's what happened: I wrote a huge wall of text about Glorfindel where (although I ultimately concluded he was not suspicious) I bashed his playstyle over and over.

Normally when someone does that to me, at the very least, I try to argue.

But Glorfindel went and replied it with a post so happy it couldn't be true. He had no anger or frustration whatsoever. No suspicion. No paranoia. No attempt to discuss my (negative) points about him. Just pure friendliness and understanding.

And then for the subsequent days, he proceeded to make it clear I was the most civ person he knew in the world, and to buddy with me at every chance he got.

I now admit the mistake, but at the time, the whole thing seemed forced. Like, I assumed a normal player would at least suspect me a little, and not trust me THAT much.

He was also changing his suspicious on a heartbeat, like the whole thing with Daisy. And that also felt suspicious to me.

I had already decided I was killing 2 people, so I went with my gut and offed him.

I now understand he was just letting his emotions define who he trusted or not.

Matt wrote:Great game baddies! Sorry for not participating as much, civvies, I've been extremely busy the last couple of weeks.

At one point I was gathered by Alph, and immediately started talking about the tv show Alf in OT green, hoping Alph would get it. Did you pick up on that, Glor? Also, Glor, haha, I did think you were bad but I was also mostly just trying to have fun whenever I posted. No hard feelings on "tunneling" you?

DDL - Haha I wasn't even convinced on k4J. I had no idea what was going on. Well done, bad peeps!

Typhoony wrote:

Glorfindel wrote: Secondly, I really struggled to comprehend why any of you thought I was Mafia... The way I behaved in this game is classic 'Town Me' so if you doubt my sincerity, I think it will cause a problem at some point. Especially, I didn't get Typhoony. You KNEW there was someone out there who knew your identity. Early on when a number of people started voicing their suspicion of you, I'd not have thought it a big stretch for you to reason that someone who might defend you (or at least deflect the suspicions of others - as I did) just might have been Alph. In any case, it's a good thing you were eliminated by the Mafia when you were - if I'd had to read one more post where you were defaming me for likely having been 'bad', you'd have been hearing from my lawyers!

You have to realize that people can say things for different reasons.

Initially, when you made that post where you said you thought I was civ, I immediately pencilled you in as Alph. I mentioned that to Epi in BTSC at some point, pretty sure of that.
It was only later on, when it became clear that either you or K4J had to have been bad, that I started to second doubt that. I started to think that it was a possibility that the baddies had tried to kill me, failed, but thus knew that I was a protagonist and you could have been buddying up to me. That idea grew stronger and stronger until I just assumed you were bad.
So, you see, there are multiple ways to look at almost anything anyone posts, including what - in your eyes - was a clear hint to me that you were Alph.

In the end, it would not have mattered. I never looked at your posts to figure out who was bad, as I wasn't sure of that either. I never looked at K4Js posts for that either. I'm not going to base any of my conclusions on the basis that a person *may* have been bad and look through their posts. That was honestly the first thing (perhaps only) that made me go "eh" with regards to FZ, when she tried to do that.
Hell, in the very end I wasn't even sure Epi was rock pikmin anymore, even though I had multiple pieces of evidence that could hardly have been refuted. Mostly because he said in BTSC that he would follow my lead in voting, yet tried to have me vote agleam when I had mine on MM.


Baddies played a really good game. Combine that with the lack of civilian participation and the amazing amount of mislynches, we only have ourselves to blame.

I did like the caving aspect, except for that one time when Enrique and Soneji died because of it. Sorry for that guys

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I don't understand why in God's name a civilian would use the Juicy Gaggle Juice on anyone. I got hit with it twice. MM got hit with it once he said I was faking (Typhoony did that).

I used the first one. I admit it wasn't a very well thought of move. But I didn't think people would try to use it to lynch you so fast, so I tried to fix the mistake by hinting at you having a post restriction a few times.

I need to check to see who did it the second time. I got a second fruit myself, but by that point I had already noticed the item was shit.

It was kind of hard to resist, though. Damn MP for distributing that stuff like candy.

It was Glorfindel the second time. :P

I just want to point out here Epi that prior to the end of that night kill (when I got killed) I had no intention to use the gaggle juice at all. I was also fairly convinced that you were Town at that point but you hurt my feelings with your comments after night end and I regrettably succumbed to my less mature impulses - I'm sorry

I like that you are a nice fellow, I really do. I'm also a nice fellow. Anyone who knows me in real life can attest to that. I'm quiet, and I let people have their way.

But my advice to you is that Mafia isn't a game of feelings. When done right, it's a game of calculation and logic. I will become absolutely nasty in Mafia. It's a place where I can lie and scheme and plot and not feel bad doing those things morally.

I was sold you were bad when Brit killed you.

Why didn't you speak up for Typhoony? Lord, man, you would have shown us you were Alph and I never would've pulled my Mafia views from your posts.

Thank you Epi for your comments. The thing is though, I am nice - unreservedly and unashamedly so and whilst I'm fine with calculation and logic, I am not so comfortable with manipulation and rudeness (just saying, in general - that comment doesn't relate to anyone here). You will learn very quickly to tell my alignment as did people I've played with at other sites. I AM the most transparent person with whom you are ever likely to play one of these games.

As for Typoony, if you were paying attention, I did try and defend him. I couldn't be too obvious about it because I didn't want to tip off the Mafia to our roles (which I believe I would've had I been anymore explicit).

You don't need to be confortable with rudeness. There is no excuse to be rude. But manipulation is what being a baddie is about. It's the entire goal of the role, and being a civ means being paranoid and trying to figure out who is manipulating who. It's just the nature of the game.

Feelings can be dangerous because they make you more easily manipulated by the mafia. Every mafia wants to have those townie friends who will never vote for them, and when you play with your emotions, you are making yourself vulnerable to that.

DrWilgy wrote:There was more than that. Didn't help that plasm wraith took me out of the game the 2 nights before I died.

Epignosis wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:It was definitely a fun game - thank you MP for hosting it. Looking at the wrap up it looked like a crap load of work!

Congratulations to MM, FZ and K4J - you clearly had the Town in confusion all game and were worthy winners!

Thank you to everyone who played and contributed to what was a really good game.

There are two comments however that I'd like to make in respect of the game:

Firstly, after Night 2 I got a message from Capt Ollimar who signed it off with; "To anyone reading this journal... I wish them well and I think they are beautiful!!!" I reasoned at the time (somewhat naively) that Spacedaisy was Capt. Ollimar. SD, after that, you started doing and saying things that I felt conflicted with that assumption and that is when I started to waver a little in my opinion of you as a member of the Town. Clearly, the message here for me is that you alone do not have a monopoly on being complimentary and generally a simply lovely human being. My sincerest apologies to Dr Wilgy for selling you short.

Secondly, I really struggled to comprehend why any of you thought I was Mafia... The way I behaved in this game is classic 'Town Me' so if you doubt my sincerity, I think it will cause a problem at some point. Especially, I didn't get Typhoony. You KNEW there was someone out there who knew your identity. Early on when a number of people started voicing their suspicion of you, I'd not have thought it a big stretch for you to reason that someone who might defend you (or at least deflect the suspicions of others - as I did) just might have been Alph. In any case, it's a good thing you were eliminated by the Mafia when you were - if I'd had to read one more post where you were defaming me for likely having been 'bad', you'd have been hearing from my lawyers!

But YOU were Alph. Why didn't you defend Typh even a little to help us out? (Addemdum: Where?)

And fucking hell, DrWilgy, that's what you sent in your journal? Jesus.

Glorfindel wrote:My observations:

Typhoony: I'm going to go out on a bit of a limb here and say that to me, this guy is NOT leaning Mafia. I'll admit that some of his posts have seemed a little 'flaky' but from his tone, I'm not reading any kind of malice.

Epignosis wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I don't understand why in God's name a civilian would use the Juicy Gaggle Juice on anyone. I got hit with it twice. MM got hit with it once he said I was faking (Typhoony did that).

I used the first one. I admit it wasn't a very well thought of move. But I didn't think people would try to use it to lynch you so fast, so I tried to fix the mistake by hinting at you having a post restriction a few times.

I need to check to see who did it the second time. I got a second fruit myself, but by that point I had already noticed the item was shit.

It was kind of hard to resist, though. Damn MP for distributing that stuff like candy.

It was Glorfindel the second time. :P

I just want to point out here Epi that prior to the end of that night kill (when I got killed) I had no intention to use the gaggle juice at all. I was also fairly convinced that you were Town at that point but you hurt my feelings with your comments after night end and I regrettably succumbed to my less mature impulses - I'm sorry

I like that you are a nice fellow, I really do. I'm also a nice fellow. Anyone who knows me in real life can attest to that. I'm quiet, and I let people have their way.

But my advice to you is that Mafia isn't a game of feelings. When done right, it's a game of calculation and logic. I will become absolutely nasty in Mafia. It's a place where I can lie and scheme and plot and not feel bad doing those things morally.

I was sold you were bad when Brit killed you.

Why didn't you speak up for Typhoony? Lord, man, you would have shown us you were Alph and I never would've pulled my Mafia views from your posts.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I don't understand why in God's name a civilian would use the Juicy Gaggle Juice on anyone. I got hit with it twice. MM got hit with it once he said I was faking (Typhoony did that).

I used the first one. I admit it wasn't a very well thought of move. But I didn't think people would try to use it to lynch you so fast, so I tried to fix the mistake by hinting at you having a post restriction a few times.

I need to check to see who did it the second time. I got a second fruit myself, but by that point I had already noticed the item was shit.

It was kind of hard to resist, though. Damn MP for distributing that stuff like candy.

It was Glorfindel the second time. :P

Typhoony wrote:And Happy Holidays to everyone alive, dead, non-playing and even the Host

And to you my friend and to everyone else in this game. I hope it is a wonderful time for each and everyone of you

Epignosis wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:RIP dear Matt. I'm sorry it took me so long to work you out I don't see why no one else seemed to - maybe you needed to tell them even more how you were but a poor innocent Pikmin...

As for you, Epignosis - your post below appears suspiciously disingenuous to me...

Epignosis wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:Come to think of it, if I'm right - the mini-wagon on Epignosis looks damn suspicious.

Glorfindel wrote:That Matt wagon is looking worse by the minute...

So...literally any person with more than one vote is a suspicious wagon? Somebody has to be lynched, and that happens by people accumulating the most votes.

By declaring both "wagons" to be suspicious or "worse by the minute," you have cast a wide net that includes Boomslang, DrWilgy, MetalMarsh89, FZ., Spacedaisy, Typhoony, and k4j.

Welcome to my list.

If you'd even bothered to read my post of earlier today, you'd have read of my suspicions of Dr Wilgy and Boomslang and even a cursory perusal would've narrowed the range on those voting for Matt. What I'd like to know is why you changed your vote at the last minute like that? You were in no danger of being lynched whatsoever...? And I'm sorry, if you or anyone honestly believes that there was no Mafia on Matt's wagon, you're kidding yourselves.

Uh huh.

Why did you vote DrWilgy by yourself instead of voting Boomslang who already had my vote?

Glorfindel wrote:You were in no danger of being lynched whatsoever...?

No danger whatsoever, huh?

All Pikmin start as Leaf Pikmin, with a normal +1 lynch vote. Bud Pikmin have a +2 lynch vote. Flower Pikmin have a +3 lynch vote.

Vehemoth Phosbat – Introduced as a boss in Pikmin 3, its vote can be worth 1, 2, or 3, depending on how many of its teammates are dead. At the start of the game, its vote is worth 1, but increases by +1 with each teammate's death. During any two Nights of its choice it can flap its wings to create a massive cloud of toxic dust. In doing so, all Pikmin (except for White Pikmin) will secretly start the subsequent Day with 2 votes against them.

No danger of being lynched whatsoever, huh?

Epignosis wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:Come to think of it, if I'm right - the mini-wagon on Epignosis looks damn suspicious.

Glorfindel wrote:That Matt wagon is looking worse by the minute...

So...literally any person with more than one vote is a suspicious wagon? Somebody has to be lynched, and that happens by people accumulating the most votes.

By declaring both "wagons" to be suspicious or "worse by the minute," you have cast a wide net that includes Boomslang, DrWilgy, MetalMarsh89, FZ., Spacedaisy, Typhoony, and k4j.

Welcome to my list.

Spacedaisy wrote:Ok, that's a reasonable answer. Your vote is interesting. You Ate saying there seems to be a wagon don't on but instead of voting somewhere that makes a difference you are throwing your vote off.

Spacedaisy wrote:Glorfindel, not that long ago you were saying I add your most town read, what has changed to stop me down to nearly off the list entirely? I'm not the bottom of your town lean reads. I'm curious about this as well as the fact that Matt went from suspecting you to telling people to follow your vote... That is not normal. It makes me think he was either distancing from you before or budding up to you now.

Spacedaisy wrote:Also, if you are civ, why do you put DDL as your top civ read. You are more sure of him than you Ate of yourself?

Matt wrote:C'mon peeps, Scotty? Really?

Another cute innocent Pikmin destroyed because people can't see the evil that is Glorfindel.

Scotty wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

Matt wrote:MM - Get your vote off me, dude. Pikmin don't like getting votes. Apparently everytime a Pikmin gets a vote, the Rock and Winged Pikmin team up and throw feathers at those who voted Pikmin!

I know you don't want such a fate, so please, vote elsewhere.

#6 There is NOTHING at all wrong with claiming to be a Pikmin. To do so however with such monotonous regularity frankly I find to be a little peculiar. I'm NOT accusing Matt of being Mafia, I'm just saying that I think this behaviour is odd - like is there a quota of Pikmin claims that Matt has to meet or something?

Is there anyone here that you would accuse of being mafia?

Matt wrote:MM - Get your vote off me, dude. Pikmin don't like getting votes. Apparently everytime a Pikmin gets a vote, the Rock and Winged Pikmin team up and throw feathers at those who voted Pikmin!

I know you don't want such a fate, so please, vote elsewhere.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Thanks, I guess.

Just FYI, I'm normally a very idealistic person in real life and I hate being mean to others, but when it comes to games, I shut it down and do everything it takes to win. I still try to be as polite as possible because a game doesn't give me the right of being rude, but anything that can be done to win without breaking the game's rules is fair to me.

(I just hope you're not manipulating me).

Also I only do those ISOs when I feel it's necessary to understand someone's alignment. I don't have time to do it on everybody, so I pick a few ones.

Matt wrote:Glorfindel. What do you make of the Simon/Epignosis thing? If one were bad, who would you choose?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Okay I'll try to do an ISO on Glorfindel to make sense of this madness.

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Glorfindel wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:So we're underway and we're lynching Sig because of a spelling error? My God, if that's what we've come to that is a fairly sad state of affairs

You still have 22 hours to decide sig's fate. Will you...

a) Add him to your party.
b) Offer yourself up to be lynched instead (this option is recommended for all mafia members).
c) Give that guy a vote. He's got to go.
d) Flee.

If spelling errors were an indication of someone's Mafia alignment, Sig would undoubtedly be unspeakably evil but I'm not convinced at this point that he is. I'm just wondering if there was some more logical way to approach this...?

Voices disagreement on lynching Sig, but seems to have a pretty shallow view on the matter. I'm pretty sure Sig is not being lynched for just a spelling error at this point (not that he was lynched for big reasons, though)

Metalmarsh makes a jokester post and Glorf fails to get the joke. Keeps voicing disagreement on what is perceived as a literal version of grammar nazi-ing.

Then he goes on an argument with Zebra about the merits of self-voting, which I won't bother to quote.

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Glorfindel wrote:I'm kinda torn at this point. I hate having to vote for someone based on no evidence or reasoning.

Right now, I see Zebs as rather genuine so I'm satisfied that she is not worthy of my vote.

I know Sig has become a formidable Mafia member (in comparison to his Town performances) and I don't know - I see signs of him putting in a genuine effort like he does when he's Mafia but some of his remarks appear to be a little clumsy so the jury is out on him.

Spacedaisy just seems nice (not unlike I'd imagine a yellow Pikmin to be ) so I don't expect I'll be voting for her anytime soon.

I'm not one to be drawn into retaliatory voting easily so I'm not inclined right now to vote Enrique but I am HIGHLY suspicious of the alacrity with which he latched his vote on me without (as far as I can see) any evidence

Matt is correct - he was one of the kind souls that reached out to me following the Star Wars debacle and while I am very grateful to him for his consideration, he is mistaken if he thinks that I wouldn't vote him down in a heartbeat if I really believed he was Mafia.

First post where he actually posts reads. Trusts Zebra. And Daisy (which fits with Daisy having defended him at this point). Torn on Sig. Wants to make it clear he would vote for Matt despite liking him as a person. But doesn't like Enrique's vote on him, and might suspect him for that despite doubting his mafia status.

Glorfindel is already showing signs of what would be obvious later, which is that he plays the game very personally. He lynches whoever he doesn't like the defends the ones he likes. He says this isn't true by using Matt as an example, but the fact he is even bother to point that out suggests this to be an exception to the rule.

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Glorfindel wrote:

Matt wrote:Those of you that have me on their baddie list, know you are hunting a cute, innocent Pikmin.

Matt, to my recollection this is the second time you've said this in under about eight hours - the thing is, the majority of us are. You are starting to sound like you're trying overly hard to convince someone that you are...

Mild suspicion on Matt for the way he is posting. Looks like he might be weary about Matt since he was bad last game. Or he is bad and trying to manufacture a suspicion.

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Glorfindel wrote:

Enrique wrote:

FZ. wrote:I love that Matt has all the mafia figured out.
I always wanted to play a game where everyone names who they think the mafia members are on the first day, based on gut feeling of day 0 or day 1, and then we look at the list at the end of the game and see who's intuition we should rely on in the future.

For the fun of it.

Glorfindel
Matt
sig

Four posts in almost 48 hours and the justification for his vote on me is "For the fun of it"? This was followed by Matt inviting Boomslang to join in on a vote on me and after being challenged by Spacedaisy, Matt changes his vote TO Boomslang. I don't like what I'm seeing here and I'm wondering if this exchange was an indication of something more sinister? I may change my vote later but for now, I'm prepared to vote for Enrique. I think that if he should turn out to be Mafia, it may give us something more to work with.

Glorfindel wrote:

Enrique wrote:He was acting funny, it was early into Day 1, I could change my vote. Now I'm more than happy to leave it there because he jumped into the opportunity to kill me so easily.

I was "acting funny"? I don't think so... My behaviour is (and has been) completely normal for me and I'd like to know what point of reference you're using to judge otherwise? As for 'jumping into the opportunity to kill you so easily', that is clearly untrue. I defended you and refused to vote for you in Star Wars and was deceived so you can't argue that I wouldn't give you the benefit of the doubt now. I also find your insinuation that I would take voting for you or anyone else lightly as somewhat hypocritical given the flippancy with which you voted for me ("For the fun of it").

The trend continues. Somebody (Enrique) votes for Glorfindel and he is pissed.

In the next few posts, he defends Zebra. The main argument is a meta one comparing to Star Wars, where she was, ironically, mafia (granted, I'm guilty of making the same flawed comparison). Not gonna quote them all, just say he is firmly against the Zebra bandwagon.

Well day 1 is over, Glorfindel voted Enrique, and Zebra flipped innocent Pikmin.

What comes next is a long series of some really annoying white-knighting (which I later called "flirting", though admitelly I was mostly joking. That's none of my business). Enjoy:

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Glorfindel wrote:I'd played but half a game with Zebs and even I could see she wasn't Mafia. I wonder what that says about anyone else that had played with her more extensively and had a different opinion

Glorfindel wrote:

Enrique wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:I'd played but half a game with Zebs and even I could see she wasn't Mafia. I wonder what that says about anyone else that had played with her more extensively and had a different opinion

Five of us voted for Zeeb, six including Epig. It wouldn't be Mafia if people didn't get things wrong.

Let me understand this, you are saying that the six of you 'just got it wrong'? You are asking me to believe that there was no Mafia on her wagon?

Glorfindel wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:Yay, no death!

Yes, K4J that is good news but let it not blind you to what happened here at the end of the last Day phase. Through a combination of human error and malicious intent we lost an experienced campaigner and a highly capable player in Zebs She was a massive asset to our team and I expect her demise brought much rejoicing to our opponents I don't want us to forget the magnitude of the loss we suffered there lest we make the same mistake again.

The witch hunt is on. The paragon of justice and baddie hunting skills known as Zebra is dead, and the ones responsible must pay with their lives. Only evilness of the worst nature could have resulted in the death of such a pure soul, and the people who voted here are obviously all associated with the Dark Side of the Force.

So Day 2 is on, Sig continues to make WOAT posts and Glorfindel takes the bait (or he helps the suspicion get going so other people can take the bait):

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Glorfindel wrote:OK, let's see what we have here... @Sig

sig wrote:Lol once again I'll point out the foolishness of these types of posts, Epi has said this multiply time and that is the only comeback he has when I say he is laying the groundwork for my lynch.
IN SAYING WE ARE TEAMMATE HE IS TRYING TO GET ME LYNCHED. Nobody is going to vote for SImon day 1 Epi acknowledged this, the only sensibly action following Epi's Sig/Simon idea is to lynch me and see how I flip. My flip will decided Simon's team.

Let me get this straight - you are proposing that Epi and Simon are working in league for the sole purpose of getting you lynched? Why, pray tell, do suppose they would go to such lengths to bring about your demise (when our Mafia friends achieved far worse with the lynching of Zebs with relative ease)? I'd put it to you that this is a conspiracy theory so breathtaking as to rival the Kennedy Assassination...

Then, on multiple occasions, you accuse Zebs (a player that throughout the first Day phase was pretty damn transparently Town) of being Mafia:

sig wrote:My bet is Zebra and Epi could be on team team, if not both then one of them. I will also be keeping my eye on DDL.

Zebra's logic for voting for me is illogical she doesn't agree with EPi, yet she thinks I'm on a teamwith Simon and we are both scum and that I would make such a mistake.
My day 1 scum team
Simon
Epi
Zebra

AND

sig wrote:Know Zebra is using the classic scum argument for a lynch.

AND

sig wrote:I'd rather lynch Epi today, but a Zebra lynch is good to.

And lastly, when it's all over and the inevitable outcome occurs, we have the crocodile tears...

sig wrote:So guess Zebra wasn't scum.

I'm not going to claim that I'm particularly good at this game but I know someone that is considerably more experienced than I and this is their assessment of the above...

a2thezebra wrote:

sig wrote:I'd rather lynch Epi today, but a Zebra lynch is good to. If she flips mafia or civ my opinion of Epi won't have changed that much.

linki: why Enrique?

Hahahahahaha you better be lynched tomorrow.

Half of his argument is that Sig's theories are full of BS. The other half is that he was one of the ones responsible for the death of Zebra, and that he attacked her but didn't actually voted for her, which could be a sign of cowardice. He also uses Zebra's own post as an argument against Sig, which ultimately proved that we should learn to think for yourselves, and that people aren't right just because they are confirmed civ and/or have shown to be good at the game before.

There are more posts about that, I won't quote them all. K4J points out what I just said, and Glorf replies with more white-knighting:

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Glorfindel wrote:Well, she was dead right in her reading of me (something that appears to escape a number of you) so forgive me in having a little faith in her ability and skill at this game.

He is also mad that people have been unable to read him accurately in the last few games. Well, welcome to mafia, man. First thing you must learn: EVERYONE sucks at hunting baddies, and the shortest path to failure is to believe otherwise. Seriously, just look at this very game.

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Glorfindel wrote:Sig, I'm sorry. I just can't get past my suspicions of you. The evidence against you seems more valid than anything I've seen over anyone else. After WW Mafia, I know you'll understand.

Point taken.

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Glorfindel wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:

Simon wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Hey SIMON, let's vote for your pop!

Simon, do you rat on your siblings? Are they older or younger than you?

I agree. I think Daddy's boss because he was quick in thinking that e and Sig are teammates.

I am the oldest sibling. I'm eight years old. My sister is six. She just had her birthday. My brother is three. I tell on them and boss them because I'm the oldest.

This post is like the cutest thing ever and makes it so hard to vote Simon, but I'm going to leave my vote there... I'm an awful persooooooooon!

Indeed you are Spacedaisy... Seriously though, I agree - that post of Simon's was one of the most special things I've seen playing Mafia anywhere. I honestly can't see me ever voting lynch Simon after this...

Daisy and Glorf have a cuteness overload and don't want to lynch Simon. Not sure if this means anything since it's a kind of OT reaction, but I felt like quoting.

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Glorfindel wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Can you please explain the reasoning there?

He can't Spacedaisy because there isn't any... I am not Mafia.

@Matt, perhaps you could remind us all again (for the fourth time) about how you are a sweet innocent little Pikmin - because frankly, I'm having an increasingly hard time believing that...

This post pinged me at the time, but now looking at the whole context it makes more sense. Glorfindel plays with his emotions and this is not an exception. Matt used faulty logic (or in this case, no logic at all) to suspect him, therefore he must be suspicious himself. Add it to the fact Glorfindel was weary of Matt at the start, and this could make some sense.

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Glorfindel wrote:My observations:

Spacedaisy: I'm not going to lie - irrespective of who she votes for, I consider her one of the most transparently 'Towny' players in this game right now. Admittedly, my judgement could be coloured by the fact that she seems to me to be a genuinely lovely person but if I'm wrong for holding such a view, so be it. Vote for me Spacesdaisy, don't vote for me - my opinion of you won't change - although I believe that you are smart enough to know the truth and not have your opinion distorted by deliberate untruths and half-truths.

Typhoony: I'm going to go out on a bit of a limb here and say that to me, this guy is NOT leaning Mafia. I'll admit that some of his posts have seemed a little 'flaky' but from his tone, I'm not reading any kind of malice.

Matt: Matt confuses me a lot. I thought he seemed really nice and rational but now he claims to have some conclusive case that proves my guilt (which as I've said before simply cannot have any basis in fact) and I feel like there's something to his constant, repetitive claims of being a Pikmin that I should be picking up but I'm not getting it. Thinking it over, I'm not remotely certain that he is Mafia but his behaviour this game just seems a little peculiar.

More to follow later...

A wall of reads. This is useful. Reads civ on Daisy and seems to have a legitimate opinion on it. Doesn't have any reason to suspect Typh. Confused about Matt. To be fair, Matt is confusing.

Okay, let's finish this. If it hasn't become clear enough to this point, I don't like Glorfindel's playstyle. I try to be as cold and calculating as possible when playing mafia, and Glorf's way of playing seems to be the polar opposite. The white-knighting looks ridiculous to me, and all those OMGUS suspicions make me roll eyes. So I apologize to him for what may have been a somewhat rude post, and for the possibility of this clouding my judgement of him.

But as much as his playstyle might be questionable, Glorf seems consistent here. He doesn't back down, he puts his votes where his mouth is, and his logical path in the game makes sense. He is not trying to blend. He looks more like a newbie to me than a mafia player.

Sorry Matt, but this guy looks civ to me.

Matt wrote:As for Glorfindel, I'm mostly goin' after him for the funsies. But in a jiffy here's my "case"...Early in the game Glorfindel specifically gave Simon a big hug and said "glad to play with you again!". Then when Epi started getting on Simon's case, I remembered that post from Glorfindel.

Matt wrote:As Glorfindel himself notes, I'm just a cute, little, innocent Pikmin!

Matt wrote: #5 Just sayin'

Matt wrote:Anyone iso Daisy? To whom it may concern, of course Daisy protecting Glorfindel doesn't mean they're teamies. However it's possible Daisy is mafioso and happens to know Glorfindel is good, hence the "let's protect the civvie" card. Therefore suspish. Especially since she was willing to lynch Simon of all people. I dunno, doesn't add up.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Can you please explain the reasoning there?

He can't Spacedaisy because there isn't any... I am not Mafia.

@Matt, perhaps you could remind us all again (for the fourth time) about how you are a sweet innocent little Pikmin - because frankly, I'm having an increasingly hard time believing that...

While I agree Matt has yet to explain his suspicion on you, it doesn't bode well for you to reply to his accusation with a "NO U" and also fail to explain it.

Spacedaisy wrote:Can you please explain the reasoning there?

Spacedaisy wrote:

Simon wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Hey SIMON, let's vote for your pop!

Simon, do you rat on your siblings? Are they older or younger than you?

I agree. I think Daddy's boss because he was quick in thinking that e and Sig are teammates.

I am the oldest sibling. I'm eight years old. My sister is six. She just had her birthday. My brother is three. I tell on them and boss them because I'm the oldest.

This post is like the cutest thing ever and makes it so hard to vote Simon, but I'm going to leave my vote there... I'm an awful persooooooooon!

kneel4justice wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:Okay. I'm in two mindsets about Sig currently. If you were to have asked me after zebra's lynch what I thought about him, I would have definitely thought he was suspicious. Specifically the way he moved on so quickly to entertaining the idea of an Epi/Enrique partnership. When he suspected Enrique, it came immediately after I had just suspected him for taunting zebra (which I now would take back after he clarified what he meant by his post). But I was definitely pinged by that. So I started thinking in hindsight that maybe I was wrong not to suspect him...
But the problem is, I don't really like this whole Simon/Sig theory. Unfortunately it is difficult to judge Simon's statements about being on the same time (going from I think so, to no). But the fact that some suspicion started for something as simple as Sig saying that he wouldn't vote for Simon due to him laughing at a joke...that is ridiculous to me. Which seems to be part of the whole teammate theory. Like, those types of things are common on this site, plus - I can definitely see Sig just being nice to Simon, making him feel welcome in the game. So I feel like people who are using that (like Scotty had - are making something of nothing.

But I don't agree with the Epi suspicion. I am surprised that so many people are suspicious lol. Last game I played no one dared suspect him (admittedly, I was wrong about him being bad but still). I just see what Epi has done as a personality factor. Not something that is going to determine his alignment. As far as I am concerned, he's done similar tactics as civilian, and is probably more than capable of doing the same thing when bad. So really I need more time, I don't think his actions favor an alignment. But then again, I doubt he would gun for his own son as mafia.....like I think FZ was trying to say..then again, he's Epi. He strikes me as the type to want to show his dominance lol

So what you're telling me is - you believe Sig's theory about an elaborate plot hatched (by Epi and conceivably Simon) for the sole purpose of eliminating him from the game? I've played enough games with Sig to appreciate that he is as cunning and conniving to be capable of doing anything to win but this conspiracy theory of his seems utterly fanciful to me. I also don't like that he spent a large portion of the first Day phase publicly sniping at Zebs in a way that seemed to me to be advocating her lynching 'from a distance'.

I would not agree with that idea but I am not convinced that it comes from a bad place.
I just better read your post where you confronted sig, and I see where you're coming from. What comes difficult is that I see some things as suspicious, but I also saw people that suspected sig for reasons that do not seem civilian and that is where it is hard to determine my stance, because if I am right in suspecting them, I doubt they'd be teammates with sig.
I'm trying to remain open to ideas, because somehow this site catches scum at times and I still don't know how they did it


Also, about this part of your post:

Glorfindel wrote: I'm not going to claim that I'm particularly good at this game but I know someone that is considerably more experienced than I and this is their assessment of the above...

a2thezebra wrote:

sig wrote:I'd rather lynch Epi today, but a Zebra lynch is good to. If she flips mafia or civ my opinion of Epi won't have changed that much.

linki: why Enrique?

Hahahahahaha you better be lynched tomorrow.

This concerns me, because you're using a dead player's opinion. I hate when I am dead and people do that (typically mafia, in my experience). Just because zebra is a good player and now confirmed townie does not mean she is right in all her opinions.

DrWilgy wrote:Participate first good Glorfindel

sig wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:Okay. I'm in two mindsets about Sig currently. If you were to have asked me after zebra's lynch what I thought about him, I would have definitely thought he was suspicious. Specifically the way he moved on so quickly to entertaining the idea of an Epi/Enrique partnership. When he suspected Enrique, it came immediately after I had just suspected him for taunting zebra (which I now would take back after he clarified what he meant by his post). But I was definitely pinged by that. So I started thinking in hindsight that maybe I was wrong not to suspect him...
But the problem is, I don't really like this whole Simon/Sig theory. Unfortunately it is difficult to judge Simon's statements about being on the same time (going from I think so, to no). But the fact that some suspicion started for something as simple as Sig saying that he wouldn't vote for Simon due to him laughing at a joke...that is ridiculous to me. Which seems to be part of the whole teammate theory. Like, those types of things are common on this site, plus - I can definitely see Sig just being nice to Simon, making him feel welcome in the game. So I feel like people who are using that (like Scotty had - are making something of nothing.

But I don't agree with the Epi suspicion. I am surprised that so many people are suspicious lol. Last game I played no one dared suspect him (admittedly, I was wrong about him being bad but still). I just see what Epi has done as a personality factor. Not something that is going to determine his alignment. As far as I am concerned, he's done similar tactics as civilian, and is probably more than capable of doing the same thing when bad. So really I need more time, I don't think his actions favor an alignment. But then again, I doubt he would gun for his own son as mafia.....like I think FZ was trying to say..then again, he's Epi. He strikes me as the type to want to show his dominance lol

So what you're telling me is - you believe Sig's theory about an elaborate plot hatched (by Epi and conceivably Simon) for the sole purpose of eliminating him from the game? I've played enough games with Sig to appreciate that he is as cunning and conniving to be capable of doing anything to win but this conspiracy theory of his seems utterly fanciful to me. I also don't like that he spent a large portion of the first Day phase publicly sniping at Zebs in a way that seemed to me to be advocating her lynching 'from a distance'.

You're just mad I tricked you in Wild West game, ifyou aren't mad about it your carrying your suspicion to a paranoia level of fear. If anything is an indicator of my alignment it is the fact in WW I wasn't suspected by anyone, I slipped under the radar. Unlike this game I'm right in the middle of it.
As I said I think Epi is scum however, it could be he isn't. If he isn't then DDL or Scotty are scum. One of those three are scum imo.
I'm reading Sorsha as a civ.
Glorfindel idk about him, he is saying I have established scum meta that I really don't have.
Kneel is a civ read for me.
Wilgy is null I'll need to look over his posts.

DrWilgy wrote:I got an excersize for everyone to partake in. If I were a protagonist, I would currently have _____.

I will start:
If I were a protagonist, I would currently have a Purple pikmin.

I would like everyone to copy this format.

kneel4justice wrote:Okay. I'm in two mindsets about Sig currently. If you were to have asked me after zebra's lynch what I thought about him, I would have definitely thought he was suspicious. Specifically the way he moved on so quickly to entertaining the idea of an Epi/Enrique partnership. When he suspected Enrique, it came immediately after I had just suspected him for taunting zebra (which I now would take back after he clarified what he meant by his post). But I was definitely pinged by that. So I started thinking in hindsight that maybe I was wrong not to suspect him...
But the problem is, I don't really like this whole Simon/Sig theory. Unfortunately it is difficult to judge Simon's statements about being on the same time (going from I think so, to no). But the fact that some suspicion started for something as simple as Sig saying that he wouldn't vote for Simon due to him laughing at a joke...that is ridiculous to me. Which seems to be part of the whole teammate theory. Like, those types of things are common on this site, plus - I can definitely see Sig just being nice to Simon, making him feel welcome in the game. So I feel like people who are using that (like Scotty had - are making something of nothing.

But I don't agree with the Epi suspicion. I am surprised that so many people are suspicious lol. Last game I played no one dared suspect him (admittedly, I was wrong about him being bad but still). I just see what Epi has done as a personality factor. Not something that is going to determine his alignment. As far as I am concerned, he's done similar tactics as civilian, and is probably more than capable of doing the same thing when bad. So really I need more time, I don't think his actions favor an alignment. But then again, I doubt he would gun for his own son as mafia.....like I think FZ was trying to say..then again, he's Epi. He strikes me as the type to want to show his dominance lol

sig wrote:Lol once again I'll point out the foolishness of these types of posts, Epi has said this multiply time and that is the only comeback he has when I say he is laying the groundwork for my lynch.
IN SAYING WE ARE TEAMMATE HE IS TRYING TO GET ME LYNCHED. Nobody is going to vote for SImon day 1 Epi acknowledged this, the only sensibly action following Epi's Sig/Simon idea is to lynch me and see how I flip. My flip will decided Simon's team.

sig wrote:My bet is Zebra and Epi could be on team team, if not both then one of them. I will also be keeping my eye on DDL.

Zebra's logic for voting for me is illogical she doesn't agree with EPi, yet she thinks I'm on a teamwith Simon and we are both scum and that I would make such a mistake.
My day 1 scum team
Simon
Epi
Zebra

sig wrote:Know Zebra is using the classic scum argument for a lynch.

sig wrote:I'd rather lynch Epi today, but a Zebra lynch is good to.

sig wrote:So guess Zebra wasn't scum.

a2thezebra wrote:

sig wrote:I'd rather lynch Epi today, but a Zebra lynch is good to. If she flips mafia or civ my opinion of Epi won't have changed that much.

linki: why Enrique?

Hahahahahaha you better be lynched tomorrow.

kneel4justice wrote:Yay, no death!

Enrique wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:I'd played but half a game with Zebs and even I could see she wasn't Mafia. I wonder what that says about anyone else that had played with her more extensively and had a different opinion

Five of us voted for Zeeb, six including Epig. It wouldn't be Mafia if people didn't get things wrong.

Enrique wrote:He was acting funny, it was early into Day 1, I could change my vote. Now I'm more than happy to leave it there because he jumped into the opportunity to kill me so easily.

Enrique wrote:Hmm, no, I don't think so. But that 3rd vote stacked on me is hella convenient, and he seems to be deliberately misinterpreting everything on the thread. Is he trying to protect you, Zeeb?

Epignosis wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I can see the point on Zebra. Last game I played with her she was all over the place, while here she doesn't seen to be making a lot of effort. She is a lot more friendly, and that other version of Zebra was engaging and accusing everyone.

As for Enrique, he has barely done anything. He came in, threw a random vote and disappeared. But that looks more like the behavior or someone not having the time/motivation to play, than someone trying to hide their intentions as a mafia player. I mean, it's too obviously suspicious. I don't like how fast the bandwagon is forming on him. Looks like an incoming disaster, where someone dies with 7+ votes and people are left wondering how that even happened.

I take your point on Enrique my friend and potentially the subsequent exchange to which I referred could be unrelated to Enrique himself...

As for Zebs, I'm still reluctant to vote for her. I have only limited experience of her playstyle but from what I've seen I'm not getting Mafia vibes. As I said, I'd consider an alternative vote if I saw a reasonable case.

To you, what case is reasonable on Day 1?

Enrique wrote:glorfindel u little poo poo

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I can see the point on Zebra. Last game I played with her she was all over the place, while here she doesn't seen to be making a lot of effort. She is a lot more friendly, and that other version of Zebra was engaging and accusing everyone.

As for Enrique, he has barely done anything. He came in, threw a random vote and disappeared. But that looks more like the behavior or someone not having the time/motivation to play, than someone trying to hide their intentions as a mafia player. I mean, it's too obviously suspicious. I don't like how fast the bandwagon is forming on him. Looks like an incoming disaster, where someone dies with 7+ votes and people are left wondering how that even happened.