The Syndicate

Golden wrote:

Dom wrote:

Golden wrote:And I already gave in on glorfindel and I don't want to give in on two of my stronger town reads in two days. I should have backed myself yesterday.

What does this mean?

It means I let doubt get in the way of a strong read yesterday when I should have continued to stick up for glorf.

LoRab wrote:

Matt wrote:Hardcore

Unless he flips Cop # 2, though, I think town made a good call today.

Unless Cop #2 is corrupted, that is. Right?

Glorfindel wrote:Alright, I have some things I want to say at this point. I've played probably about 30+ games now across four sites and what I'm seeing right now is in all likelihood (given we are well into this game and it's not Day 1 anymore) the worst mislynch that has occurred in any of them. All the cases that have been brought against me have been some of the weakest I've seen in my experience and despite demanding continuously for my accusers to elaborate on those cases (e.g. Star Wars vs this game) I've been given nothing. As I've said previously, whether you vote for me because you judge me to be bad or vote for Bubbles because you judge me to be bad says infinitely more about all of you than it does about me. I have in my view, done all that I reasonably could to fulfill my role in this game but in the end the avalanche of suspicion that has fallen upon me is something about which I can do very little.

As a committed member of our team, I'm going to place my vote where I think it belongs. Some of you may know more about what's going on in this game than I but for me, I think S-V-S's case on me has from the very beginning been a work of fiction. She's pushed that argument ever since and seems to have found enough people gullible enough to believe it. I think her self-voting (despite her stated reasons for doing so) is bad. If she is Town, I'd see that as an irresponsible and self indulgent act and question her loyalty to our Team.

I'd also like to put on record my gut-wrenching disappointment at one of my fellow players whom I have come to respect deeply who apparently has found it so easy to disregard what they know to be true and abandon me to the point where they no longer care about my lynching. It's a pretty bitter pill to swallow and although this is a game, I'm still bitterly disappointed about that.

As for this game and my part in it, I think you guys are going to hopefully take some lessons from it. One being Matt's Two-Face theory on me. That defied all logic from the time that he made that post yet, many of you still bought it. For the sake of all of you, my Team, I hope you can still pull this one out of the fire.

"A penny for my thoughts? Oh no, I'll sell 'em for a dollar,
They're worth so much more after I'm a goner
And then maybe then you'll hear the words I've been singing.
Funny when you're dead how people start listening.
If I die young, bury me in satin,
Lay me down on a bed of roses,
Sink me in the river at dawn.
Send me away to the words of a love song."

If I Die Young - The Band Perry.

Wow...30 games and this is allegedly the worst mislynch you've seen? Insulting us for thinking you are suspicious is not the way to convince us of your innocence, tbqh.

And SVS doesn't make up suspicion, whether she is good or bad. It's just not something she does. So, that argument against her doesn't work for me. She may well end up bad, but that doesn't make sense to me as an argument against her.

And again, please stop insulting the other players on this site. It makes you look like a baddie.

*votes Glorf*

Golden wrote:@glorf - I don't like the things you level at me. I stuck up for you because I thought you were civ. I would have preferred to lynch bubbles. Your disappointment in me just makes me feel like I shouldn't stick up for you in the future. Why do I need that on my conscience?

Golden wrote:IF bubbles is bad... and not the last member of her team.

THEN I will think I've been wrong about you.

Because bubbles vote did look like an attempted save.

S~V~S wrote:My point was that you mischaracterized her post, like you mischarcterize my posts and anyone who suspects you posts.

Glorfindel wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Let's let Juliets speak for herself. From my reading of her post she said that her first impression was that my performance this game and Star Wars were not similar and then qualified her opinion by saying the context of the two was different. She asked for others to offer their opinions and what happened? Nothing. Surprise, surpise...

Golden wrote:I'd be willing to vote bubbles. It would actually be a pretty good test... if she is bad, and her team isn't gone, I think I've been wrong about glorfindel all along. If she isn't bad, then what we are losing is someone who has really been too busy to play in this game and so isn't really playing.

S~V~S wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Between work, and Admin-y things, I have spent all of my Mafia time here. I need to go see the other thread, I have barely been in there, so I am going to vote now.

Glorfindel, I think you are a very kind person, a gentleman, and a breath of fresh air. I also think you drew a bad role this game.

*Glorfindel*

My role is not the issue here my friend (as you will see for yourself at some point). The issue is purely the distorted lens through which you and others have and are judging my comments throughout this game. I doubt a single one of you (with the exception of Golden and maybe Juliets) has even attempted to stand back and consider the possibility that I am genuine. I'd like to think that (in that respect) there would be a perceptible similarity between my performance and my Pikmin game. Thank you for saying those nice things about me and I'm sorry but the fact that you can see that and believe that I am bad in spite of that says more about how you see things than it does about me. I've explained ad nauseum to you that the post to which you refer was 'crafted' the way it was out of respect for my fellow players. I could see grounds for your suspicions had you been able to identify some inconsistency with my subsequent posts but you haven't and I doubt you can. It's much the same thing that we've just witnessed with Matt and Golden and that ridiculous Two-Face accusation that has been leveled at me. The fact that Matt interpreted that 'data' he collected in the way he did, in an unbalanced way illustrates well the struggle that I'm having with this game right now in that his first assumption was that I was bad and he interpreted my posts in that way.

Well, you obviously convinced Bubbles, too

And Juliets changed her mind. I posted the post earlier today.

Bubbles wrote:i agree with golden don't think glorfindel is bad, seems genuine to me. voting S~V~S on his behalf

on a side note what is your username based upon glorfindel? it reminds me of lord of the rings

S~V~S wrote:Between work, and Admin-y things, I have spent all of my Mafia time here. I need to go see the other thread, I have barely been in there, so I am going to vote now.

Glorfindel, I think you are a very kind person, a gentleman, and a breath of fresh air. I also think you drew a bad role this game.

*Glorfindel*

S~V~S wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

juliets wrote:sprityo, i'm sorry I participated in your lynch. I guess there were just some things I took wrong or misunderstood. I hope you'll be back to play again in another game.

S~V~S wrote:
And I appreciate it when I would not even defend myself that day. I really had just thrown my hands up and said, "Fine, I'll show them" that day, and I appreciate you putting in the effort for me. Yesterday was different. Yesterday the self vote was more of a pressure vote. I wanted to see who would put their money where their mouth was. Golden keeps saying, "I don't know why SVS thinks I am gonna vote for her". Well, I was his main topic of discussion, every post where he mentioned me he mentioned some form of "bad", for starters. And Glorfindel (writing "Glor or Glorf" seems disrespectful to the High Elven, lol) clearly stated he was going to vote for me. I asked 3 tumes for his reasons, finally he said, search my posts. And I did and I could not find it, and asked him to link me to it two or three times,and he ignored me,even though he replied to posts both before & after mine.

Glorfindel, you did say you would vote for SVS and she did ask for your reasons. Why, especially after she couldn't find anything in your posts, did you ignore her request for a link?

Hey, Juliets . Basically for two reasons:

1. I didn't understand what she meant. If she wanted me to copy my post (please refer point 2). If she was expecting something else, I don't know what she expected or how to perform that operation on this site.

2. Given that my post was within a single page of her post, I considered her request vexatious,

I'm happy to cooperate with anyone who shares my desire to have this game turn out right but I'm harbouring grave doubts that S-V-S truly does. I note my question to MP remains unaddressed, I know he probably hasn't been around all that much but out of courtesy, I expect a reply when he does.

I DID look for it, I couldn't find it. I just looked for it again. I can't find it.

Can you please link me to it? I was not trying to be vexatious. And tbh, ignoring people because you find them annoying does not make you look more civvie.

Glorfindel wrote:OK, thanks for the consideration of allowing me to address my technical issues. I'm afraid Dom that I could not reply to you earlier. My keyboard gave up the ghost and would only work intermittently and it took ages to type anything. I was at work on a break when I sent that last message and as much as I'd have wanted to reply to you, it simply wasn't going to happen - I appreciate your patience.

Basically, I agree with what's been said already - the well of newer players being Mafia has dried up. On the law of averages, you'd have to assume that there are one or two more experienced players involved as part of the Mafia families.

On that note, some time ago I was playing a Mafia game where (as Town) I'd concocted this theory on the guilt of one of my fellow players based on their use of certain punctuation in their posts. I was absolutely convinced of their guilt and put my case to the rest of the players in that game. Needless to say I got laughed out of town and rightly so, I was completely wrong. Now please don't misunderstand me here - I fully respect the ability of each and everyone of you, my fellow players and in particular S-V-S. I know we had that run-in early on over my post that you thought was too carefully worded. I think that case was pretty thin (more so than the one I described above) and what's more, it was wrong.

I found your argument with Golden interesting and for better or worse, I think his judgement is pretty good from all accounts (after all, you don't win all those Socky's for nothing). And then, in the dying shadows of dawn, you started accusing me again. You said that you would vote for me because I am not direct in answering questions - and that may be true. I do the best I can to contribute fully and respect each and everyone of you in the face (sometimes) of some considerable provocation. You would do well not to misjudge me for that.

In terms of my vote right now, I think it will be S-V-S. I have an open mind and if someone comes up with a better case before tomorrow morning, I'll happily consider it.

Matt wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:It's a damn sight more than a possibility my friend, I can promise you that!

Lol. Dom's not gonna like that.

Btw, you haven't addressed my switch up on you and why I don't think you're a bad lynch.

Let me clarify...

I've been thinking, "Why would a player drop hints to being Two-Face?" The only answer I can come up with, is that you're mafia, and you dropped hints for Two-Face so later down the line if you were suspected, you could use that as a quasi-defense on why not to be lynched. Unfortunately for you, I caught it early, and said something before you could.

Either way, the amount of references to two you made before I called you out is astounding, and even if you are Two-Face, a cop needs you dead soooooo yeah.

I agree with MP btw. I think you're the cool beans, Glorfy, and I hope you're havin' a fun time here at Syndicate!

MovingPictures07 wrote:And for the record, I think you're a wonderful and a very nice person, Glorf, and it's been great to get to know you. But I think you're not a townie this game.

Golden wrote:

Typhoony wrote:

Glorfindel wrote: Sorry, Typh - that last remark was not intended as a criticism of you at all - just a general observation.

Even though I appreciate the thought, I did not take it this way my friend.

Glorfindel wrote:@ Typh...

May I please have your thoughts on the following?

1. Early Day 7 you asked this:

Typhoony wrote:Can someone point out the differences for me between Glorfindels Star Wars game and this game (or point me to a post where someone already does)?

As I recall, no one answered you (they're not answering me when I ask, I don't know why you'd think anyone would answer your question) so you went on a fishing expedition yourself that led you to the following conclusion?:

Typhoony wrote:Glor seems to be more like his Star Wars game from the very little I've read.

Seeing as no one has actually come up with any semblance of evidence to support this case, could you please enlighten me to what you saw that specifically led you to this conclusion?

Not entirely true, Juliets read through your posts of both games and commented on it.
You seem to be posting more like Star Wars from Pikmin. Granted, I'm more familiar with your pikmin game and only briefly read all your posts in Star Wars, but that is the conclusion I drew. Maybe if I have more time I can find some examples of what I mean.

Golden wrote:Your logic for why I'm not a cop is as bad as Enriques was on day zero.

After all these days and multiple baddie lynches, I would think that the Cops would have no trouble with lynching someone they thought was an Inmate, but you do.

I had no problem lynching sprit when I thought he was mr freeze. I don't have a problem with others lynching glorf if that's what they are intent on doing. I am not going to vote for him, and there is no imperative for me to do so even if he is two face.

I may be being stupid and have a blind spot with him. But don't blame me if he actually does come back cop. I think it's a distinct possibility.

Typhoony wrote:

Glorfindel wrote: Sorry, Typh - that last remark was not intended as a criticism of you at all - just a general observation.

Even though I appreciate the thought, I did not take it this way my friend.

Glorfindel wrote:@ Typh...

May I please have your thoughts on the following?

1. Early Day 7 you asked this:

Typhoony wrote:Can someone point out the differences for me between Glorfindels Star Wars game and this game (or point me to a post where someone already does)?

As I recall, no one answered you (they're not answering me when I ask, I don't know why you'd think anyone would answer your question) so you went on a fishing expedition yourself that led you to the following conclusion?:

Typhoony wrote:Glor seems to be more like his Star Wars game from the very little I've read.

Seeing as no one has actually come up with any semblance of evidence to support this case, could you please enlighten me to what you saw that specifically led you to this conclusion?

Not entirely true, Juliets read through your posts of both games and commented on it.
You seem to be posting more like Star Wars from Pikmin. Granted, I'm more familiar with your pikmin game and only briefly read all your posts in Star Wars, but that is the conclusion I drew. Maybe if I have more time I can find some examples of what I mean.

Golden wrote:Your logic for why I'm not a cop is as bad as Enriques was on day zero.

After all these days and multiple baddie lynches, I would think that the Cops would have no trouble with lynching someone they thought was an Inmate, but you do.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:No problem, bud!

If you all disagree with me, that's totally fine with me; I'd be happy with a lynch of someone active too, particularly Glorfindel (he's increasingly seeming like his Star Wars self, and his lack of hunting is not convincing me otherwise) and sprityo (though, like others have speculated, it's very possible he's an inmate who's won). I just thought I'd throw my hat in the ring again this time for another inactive lynch. I may or may not go the same way tomorrow though. Just gotta see when I'll have some time to actually put more than a half-assed effort in the game at this point, since hosting is taking up a bunch of time.

@MP - my friend, you have gone from defending me at one point saying something to the effect that you would look suspiciously upon anyone who voted for me to advocating my lynching - and all of this seemingly based on a comparison between my playstyle in Star Wars and this game. I'm asking you now to explain what it is precisely that you identified in that comparison to lead you to such an apparent about face - it must surely have been something conclusive to have led you to such a change of heart.

Glorf, sorry I haven't answered this before now. I've been swamped hosting another game among many other things.

I did say that I would view anyone who bandwagoned onto you and didn't discuss anyone else a few cycles ago with suspicion, yes. But since then, the game has developed, and I still have yet to see any real town-minded effort from you with regards to discussing suspects and actual hunting; rather, you seem way more interested in defending yourself over and over again, but by telling us how you're an obvious townie and trying to play off of emotional posts, rather than show us posts where you have exhibited town-minded hunting behavior.

I rightfully view that with suspicion.

MacDougall wrote:Anywho I'll let that one go for now.

MacDougall wrote:Well Joker is dead so let's rule that one out.

Glorfindel wrote:

MacDougall wrote:No interest in helping me at all here Glorfindel?

I'm sorry, I didn't know your question was directed at me, my friend But sure...

MacDougall wrote:Hypothetically speaking, what role would self target?

Although, please allow me to clarify - are you asking what role would self-vote to have themselves lynched or what role would target itself with its own ability?

MacDougall wrote:No interest in helping me at all here Glorfindel?

MacDougall wrote:Hypothetically speaking, what role would self target?

Typhoony wrote:Can someone point out the differences for me between Glorfindels Star Wars game and this game (or point me to a post where someone already does)?

Typhoony wrote:Glor seems to be more like his Star Wars game from the very little I've read.

Glorfindel wrote:

Typhoony wrote:Eh maybe you should try my approach next time. Not the one under major suspicion atm. You are though, probably because your gameplay this game is similar to your baddie gameplay. Gameplay from me this game is not. Maybe, probably even, people have noticed that. And that's why none of the major powerhouses as you describe it really suspect me.

Maybe I should... It's clear that being honest and genuine and respectful has done me no favours this game.

Typhoony wrote:Eh maybe you should try my approach next time. Not the one under major suspicion atm. You are though, probably because your gameplay this game is similar to your baddie gameplay. Gameplay from me this game is not. Maybe, probably even, people have noticed that. And that's why none of the major powerhouses as you describe it really suspect me.

DFaraday wrote:I kind of get what Glorfindel is saying. Players like Mac, Golden, and MP are typically the most vocal players, and tend to spearhead lynches and the general direction of the thread. If a baddie team wants to manipulate the thread it would make sense to take out players who might lead a lynch on them. I don't think that's a reason to suspect any of those players are bad though.

Glorf, why do you suspect Typh? I feel like he hasn't been trying to help the civ cause very much, but I haven't seen anything specifically suspicious about him.

I still think one of the Mac voters is probably bad. Aside from SVS, whom I still think could be bad, I'll look over the others tomorrow.

LoRab wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

Dom wrote:RIP Sorsh.

Glorfindel, are you still looking at a Typhoony lynch?

There's a couple of things I'd like to re-assess but I certainly believe there is a case to be made for Typhoony. We are well in the mid-game now and after seven Day and Night phases, the core group of experienced and influential players from this site remains for all intents and purposes, intact. Some of you (e.g. yourself, DH, MP and many others) would've I thought, made first rate NK choices by a Mafia team and yet, they've not taken out any really vocal and as I say influential players - I think that is indicative and what Matt has been trying to tell us the last few Days. Having said that, I think I wouldn't be doing my job if I turned a blind eye to a player that I believe has been flying under the radar for the last seven days and nights.

I know a good many of you are suspicious of me and I'm yet to fully understand why but I have no intention of abandoning my brothers in arms to the Mafia in this game.

I'm confused by this post. Are you saying that the mafia hasn't made good kill choices? And how are you defining what good choices would be? You seem to be indicating that experienced players would take out vocal/influencial players? But I don't think that's how experienced mafia usually chooses kills, so I'm not sure. Like I said, I'm confused. Could you clarify?

Dom wrote:RIP Sorsh.

Glorfindel, are you still looking at a Typhoony lynch?

sprityo wrote:ive been waiting on this lynch for days now, and mafia feel im too suspicious to kill anyways. one of my main questions is through all the "i dont like sprityo" it's never gotten past that. Unless youre DFaraday or Bullzeye

I welcome death with open arms friends, or is that just me messing with you again?

oh and i guess i was on the block yesterday?

oh, and wait, im dead. yes? hmm let me check again

sig wrote:I'm still here just in case ya know, like idk maybe some would possibly maybe like to like rezz me? :P

Typhoony wrote:So I vote Golden and his teammate Glorfindel starts saying I'm bad.

juliets wrote:sprityo, i'm sorry I participated in your lynch. I guess there were just some things I took wrong or misunderstood. I hope you'll be back to play again in another game.

S~V~S wrote:
And I appreciate it when I would not even defend myself that day. I really had just thrown my hands up and said, "Fine, I'll show them" that day, and I appreciate you putting in the effort for me. Yesterday was different. Yesterday the self vote was more of a pressure vote. I wanted to see who would put their money where their mouth was. Golden keeps saying, "I don't know why SVS thinks I am gonna vote for her". Well, I was his main topic of discussion, every post where he mentioned me he mentioned some form of "bad", for starters. And Glorfindel (writing "Glor or Glorf" seems disrespectful to the High Elven, lol) clearly stated he was going to vote for me. I asked 3 tumes for his reasons, finally he said, search my posts. And I did and I could not find it, and asked him to link me to it two or three times,and he ignored me,even though he replied to posts both before & after mine.

Glorfindel, you did say you would vote for SVS and she did ask for your reasons. Why, especially after she couldn't find anything in your posts, did you ignore her request for a link?

S~V~S wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

Dom wrote:

Glorfindel wrote: Show you that I'm Town, Dom? TH? I'm told that I'm suspicious because of unsubstantiated claims that my playstyle is similar to when I was Mafia in Star Wars. I'm told that I'm not suspicious because I'm not 'hunting' Mafia? Can you not see the blatant hypocrisy of what you're saying? I presented a strong case against MM and apart from two players who at least considered my case, it was completely ignored. I'm being condemned for voting for Sprityo when any number of players voted for him but they're not suspicious. Take for example, Typhoony. The guy has numerous posts and nearly every single one of them devoid of substance. His votes are unsubstantiated. Where is there any questioning of him? Where is the interrogation of the type to which I've been subjected? And you still want me to buy that you two are impartial? I think not.

Your case was not ignored. It was irrelevant because the guy is dead. I don't condemn you for voting sprit. The core of my suspicion has nothing to do with Star Wars-- please read my posts.

Show me that you're town. Stop claiming I'm not impartial and refuting claims that I didn't make and go lynch a baddie-- something you've been hesitant to do all game.

I brought forward my case on MM a day and a bit before he was NK'd and it was ignored. There were probably more players campaigning for my lynching than there was for his. I'm trying very hard to lynch 'baddies' but it's a little difficult when I'm constantly having to defend myself from the false and mischievous allegations that have been constantly directed at me.

In any case, should Typhoony remain with us after the end of this Night phase, I think based on his performance so far this game, he is someone we need to look at very closely.

Typhoony does not write long elaborate posts, true. But he says what has to be said. I have no intention od voting for Typhoony anytime soon. You do what I used to do when I was bad, write long paragraphs of text that don't actually say anything. While I can never hope to be as succinct as he, I have learned alot about getting to the point from him.

Turnip Head wrote:What are you trying to say Golden? That I didn't do enough? After I basically gave myself an ulcer defending SVS the other day, and you replied with "I can't understand why TH is defending her so strongly?"

I made the points in sprityo's defense that he wasn't making himself. I tried to get people off of him and onto other suspects. It's weird that you're acting like I should have done more when YOU'RE the one who wouldn't consider the points I was making.

And I appreciate it when I would not even defend myself that day. I really had just thrown my hands up and said, "Fine, I'll show them" that day, and I appreciate you putting in the effort for me. Yesterday was different. Yesterday the self vote was more of a pressure vote. I wanted to see who would put their money where their mouth was. Golden keeps saying, "I don't know why SVS thinks I am gonna vote for her". Well, I was his main topic of discussion, every post where he mentioned me he mentioned some form of "bad", for starters. And Glorfindel (writing "Glor or Glorf" seems disrespectful to the High Elven, lol) clearly stated he was going to vote for me. I asked 3 tumes for his reasons, finally he said, search my posts. And I did and I could not find it, and asked him to link me to it two or three times,and he ignored me,even though he replied to posts both before & after mine.

So basically I dared the people who suspected me to vote for me. And DH did it becasue DH actually in his heart thinks I am bad. And I can respect that. He is wrong, but he has the courage of his convictions. He made his case, he thought I did not answer him adequately, I said alot of "C'mon lynch me you'll be sorry", and he said fuck that. And he voted for me. Good for him.

Golden & Glorfindel didn't becasue they don't really believe it, imo. They are bad.

Dom wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

Dom wrote:I'm sorry sprit. :/

Turnip Head wrote:A sprityo lynch feels like the easiest thing we could possibly do, but hey look how the Floyd lynch turned out. I'm not convinced this will be a great result for us and will only serve to rid the thread of his idiosyncratic weirdness. I feel like we're afraid to make the wrong choice so we're just going with whatever is easiest.

Voting for Glorfy. If he's civ I want him to stop telling me that he's town and SHOW me that he's town.

I agree with the underlined sentiment entirely.

Show you that I'm Town, Dom? TH? I'm told that I'm suspicious because of unsubstantiated claims that my playstyle is similar to when I was Mafia in Star Wars. I'm told that I'm not suspicious because I'm not 'hunting' Mafia? Can you not see the blatant hypocrisy of what you're saying? I presented a strong case against MM and apart from two players who at least considered my case, it was completely ignored. I'm being condemned for voting for Sprityo when any number of players voted for him but they're not suspicious. Take for example, Typhoony. The guy has numerous posts and nearly every single one of them devoid of substance. His votes are unsubstantiated. Where is there any questioning of him? Where is the interrogation of the type to which I've been subjected? And you still want me to buy that you two are impartial? I think not.

Your case was not ignored. It was irrelevant because the guy is dead. I don't condemn you for voting sprit. The core of my suspicion has nothing to do with Star Wars-- please read my posts.

Show me that you're town. Stop claiming I'm not impartial and refuting claims that I didn't make and go lynch a baddie-- something you've been hesitant to do all game.

Dom wrote:I'm sorry sprit. :/

Turnip Head wrote:A sprityo lynch feels like the easiest thing we could possibly do, but hey look how the Floyd lynch turned out. I'm not convinced this will be a great result for us and will only serve to rid the thread of his idiosyncratic weirdness. I feel like we're afraid to make the wrong choice so we're just going with whatever is easiest.

Voting for Glorfy. If he's civ I want him to stop telling me that he's town and SHOW me that he's town.

I agree with the underlined sentiment entirely.

S~V~S wrote:

This is my point; I am being used as a distraction to draw attention away from the real baddies. And I can think of nothing more tedious that having to defend myself against the same tepid *meh* accusations.

I would like to lynch Spityo or Glorfindel or even Golden. But every time people start diuscussion about others, I come back up. So if you want to lynch a real baddie,do it. But if you choose to lynch me, you will be able to move past it and get the game back on track. Either way, yay civs.

S~V~S wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

This is my point; I am being used as a distraction to draw attention away from the real baddies. And I can think of nothing more tedious that having to defend myself against the same tepid *meh* accusations.

I would like to lynch Spityo or Glorfindel or even Golden. But every time people start diuscussion about others, I come back up. So if you want to lynch a real baddie,do it. But if you choose to lynch me, you will be able to move past it and get the game back on track. Either way, yay civs.

And maybe that is my point too my friend - you see me as bad when I simply am not. I have no idea how I can convince you otherwise - convince you of the truth. The fact that you have self-voted concerns me greatly too.. As I've made reference previously, I think self-voting as Town is irresponsible unless there is some 'greater good' that that may be achieved as a result and I take your point about feeling like a distraction. I may be making a heinous mistake here but I'm not voting for you today. I'd like to look again at your performance this game from more of a holistic perspective - I just want to be certain about that decision (well, more certain).

Lots of empty words backed with no town-minded effort to find mafia.

Thank you MP for that utterly irrelevant assessment of my post. I'd respectfully suggest to you that your limited time and energy would have been better spent addressing the questions that I put to you last night. I think that would be a far more constructive use of your time in assisting our cause.

Why is it irrelevant?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

This is my point; I am being used as a distraction to draw attention away from the real baddies. And I can think of nothing more tedious that having to defend myself against the same tepid *meh* accusations.

I would like to lynch Spityo or Glorfindel or even Golden. But every time people start diuscussion about others, I come back up. So if you want to lynch a real baddie,do it. But if you choose to lynch me, you will be able to move past it and get the game back on track. Either way, yay civs.

And maybe that is my point too my friend - you see me as bad when I simply am not. I have no idea how I can convince you otherwise - convince you of the truth. The fact that you have self-voted concerns me greatly too.. As I've made reference previously, I think self-voting as Town is irresponsible unless there is some 'greater good' that that may be achieved as a result and I take your point about feeling like a distraction. I may be making a heinous mistake here but I'm not voting for you today. I'd like to look again at your performance this game from more of a holistic perspective - I just want to be certain about that decision (well, more certain).

Lots of empty words backed with no town-minded effort to find mafia.

Turnip Head wrote:A sprityo lynch feels like the easiest thing we could possibly do, but hey look how the Floyd lynch turned out. I'm not convinced this will be a great result for us and will only serve to rid the thread of his idiosyncratic weirdness. I feel like we're afraid to make the wrong choice so we're just going with whatever is easiest.

Voting for Glorfy. If he's civ I want him to stop telling me that he's town and SHOW me that he's town.

S~V~S wrote:

This is my point; I am being used as a distraction to draw attention away from the real baddies. And I can think of nothing more tedious that having to defend myself against the same tepid *meh* accusations.

I would like to lynch Spityo or Glorfindel or even Golden. But every time people start diuscussion about others, I come back up. So if you want to lynch a real baddie,do it. But if you choose to lynch me, you will be able to move past it and get the game back on track. Either way, yay civs.

MacDougall wrote:Glorfindel and Golden are mafia teammies

Typhoony wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Typhoony u bitch vote for me son

Nah bro I'm voting Golden. He bad.

S~V~S wrote:Also, you keep trying to reconstrue the points of the suspicion against you into being about your tone in here vs. Star Wars.

I really think it is about your content in this thread. From the time I thought you were being super selective about what you said regarding trusting Zebra and distrusting Matt, I have had you in the back of my mind. That had nothing to do with your tone, although you also tried at that time to say it was about your politeness and tone, and again, it was your content.

S~V~S wrote:Good Luck with that

You, Golden & Glorfindel, I presume?

MovingPictures07 wrote:No problem, bud!

If you all disagree with me, that's totally fine with me; I'd be happy with a lynch of someone active too, particularly Glorfindel (he's increasingly seeming like his Star Wars self, and his lack of hunting is not convincing me otherwise) and sprityo (though, like others have speculated, it's very possible he's an inmate who's won). I just thought I'd throw my hat in the ring again this time for another inactive lynch. I may or may not go the same way tomorrow though. Just gotta see when I'll have some time to actually put more than a half-assed effort in the game at this point, since hosting is taking up a bunch of time.

Dom wrote:

Glorfindel wrote: You can deny it all you like Dom but your mind was made up. Your most recent post (above) proves that in spades. You've twisted circumstances (such as my availability and legitimate issues I was experiencing) to give credibility to a case that is frankly non-existent. I offerred my G2H reads and I gave them. I've done my best to support my lynch choices with some semblance of arguments but that has not any point been sufficient to quell your suspicions of me. Others have not cooperated with you anywhere near as much as I have and where is your scrutiny of them? As I said earlier, nothing I could say is ever going to convince you. I trust the remainder of the Town can exercise a little logic and objectivity for the vote this Day phase.

I have a few points about this:
1) You've changed your tune from saying that you are grateful for my consideration and cooperation to saying that I am "twisitng circumstances" You only care that I stop pursuing you, not that I find a baddie.
2) I have other suspicions, so don't erase that. I am very suspicious of sprit who has done nothing to cooperate with me.
3) I have brought up and agree with many points against you that you are not even beginning to mention here:
--"obvious civvie"
--Playing the n00b card saying everyone's out to get you because you're new

Glorf, you have taken a quite hostile tone with me. Why?

Dom wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

Dom wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:OK, thanks for the consideration of allowing me to address my technical issues. I'm afraid Dom that I could not reply to you earlier. My keyboard gave up the ghost and would only work intermittently and it took ages to type anything. I was at work on a break when I sent that last message and as much as I'd have wanted to reply to you, it simply wasn't going to happen - I appreciate your patience.

Basically, I agree with what's been said already - the well of newer players being Mafia has dried up. On the law of averages, you'd have to assume that there are one or two more experienced players involved as part of the Mafia families.

On that note, some time ago I was playing a Mafia game where (as Town) I'd concocted this theory on the guilt of one of my fellow players based on their use of certain punctuation in their posts. I was absolutely convinced of their guilt and put my case to the rest of the players in that game. Needless to say I got laughed out of town and rightly so, I was completely wrong. Now please don't misunderstand me here - I fully respect the ability of each and everyone of you, my fellow players and in particular S-V-S. I know we had that run-in early on over my post that you thought was too carefully worded. I think that case was pretty thin (more so than the one I described above) and what's more, it was wrong.

I found your argument with Golden interesting and for better or worse, I think his judgement is pretty good from all accounts (after all, you don't win all those Socky's for nothing). And then, in the dying shadows of dawn, you started accusing me again. You said that you would vote for me because I am not direct in answering questions - and that may be true. I do the best I can to contribute fully and respect each and everyone of you in the face (sometimes) of some considerable provocation. You would do well not to misjudge me for that.

In terms of my vote right now, I think it will be S-V-S. I have an open mind and if someone comes up with a better case before tomorrow morning, I'll happily consider it.

Side stepping my question for four paragraphs and then spending two sentences answering my question is one way to make me think you don't really want to answer my question.

I've side-stepped nothing my friend. You asked me to nominate for whom I will vote and I've answered your question. I've tried to give you (and others) insight to my thinking on this matter (with plenty of notice prior to the EoD for your consideration). It is apparent to me that your mind is made up about me Dom and I promise you that you're wrong. I doubt there is anything I can say to change your mind but I trust my fellow Town colleagues will not fall so blindly for the poor excuse of a case against me as you have.

My mind is far from made up. You spent four paragraphs avoiding my question and then answered it in two. You also switched between addressing myself and SVS throughout the post, thus making it even less substantial of a response. You just say you will vote SVS, but don't give a reason. I've gone back and found very little on your suspicions, especially since you've started taking heat. You have struggled to come up with lynch candidates as alternatives to yourself. There was a significant delay in your answer to my question and the answer didn't really give a full response.
So, no, don't turn this around on me and say I've made up my mind. You made up my mind.