The Syndicate

sig wrote:Yay I won,


Good game everyone I enjoyed it even though I tunneled on two good cylons almost the entire game.

Also thanks Golden it looked super complex and was fun.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Anyway,

Thanks for the kind words, Glorfindel. You should stick around and keep playing with us as your time permits. I think you have a talent for transparency, which can be a great asset once people become more accustomed to your style. Hell, in future games if people give you crap for the same reasons, you can refer them back to this and tell them they're bad. :P

Polo wrote:Glorfindel, so sorry for what I did to you. Here, have a hug.

DrumBeats wrote:My Boomer searches were:
N1 - MetalMarsh
N2 - Epi (when the Athena is revived as boomer theory was going around)
N3 - LoRab
N4 - Sig
N5 - 3J
N6 - Wilgy
And then I stopped cause Boomer died. I thought about using it on dead Glorf to see if it would work but decided against it in case he'd been recruited.

G-Man wrote:

Golden wrote:My personal favourite law that never got enacted was the "G-Man meme Act". Black Rock actually had the opportunity to pass this on the final night and I had the sense it would probably be the last game day, so I was so hoping she would pass it and force G-Man to defend himself to the end in memes.

And I love you too, coward. It was definitely for the best that law never passed because I wouldn't have had much time for memes this game.

Seriously though, this game was fun. Very immersive and very well planned. There were so many layers and most things seemed to go perfectly. For me this game was educational because some of your mechanics were similar to mechanics I've either been pondering or already planning on for future games. It was cool to see how a few things played out.

All in all a memorable and successful game. Well done sir!


Linki: Glorfindel- can you find it in your heart to forgive me?

Epignosis wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:Well, I haven't voted yet... Seeing as it's my last throw of the dice, I'm going to vote DrWilgy. His whole interaction with Polo and S-V-S agreeing with Polo in voting for me but insisting that DrWilgy is good sounds off to me. Bust most of all - in IAWY I trust.

I say this in all love, politeness, and kindness: I hope you die a fiery death only worthy of Satan's crappiest soldiers.

G-Man wrote:Awesome first period! I recommend you all tune in to the hockey game if you're able. Besides, the Warriors game is only starting nowish and will probably still be on after the hockey game is over. It's been a real treat and there's still two periods to go!

I see Glorfindel is accepting his fate. No hard feelings, man. We all land in these sorts of impossible situations now and then. That's the nature of the game.

sig wrote:So quick read up of the last few pages if anyone had questions for me please quote/ask again since I probably missed them. Glor's last through pages were odd. However, his early game was very much civ Glorfindel so I'm still leaning civ on Glorfindel
I won't be voting for Glor instead I'm voting for Wilgy the other outted cylon.

Vote Dr.Wilgy

Sorry for the lower level of activity I'll try to pick it up next phase, but no promises.

Oh also I'm still suspicious of Rabbit, Drum and Polo.

I hope your teeth/mouth are feeling better

ObscureAllure wrote:

Golden wrote:

ObscureAllure wrote:Do people threaten to leave the site every game or is it just this game that's got people in a tizzy?

That's it. I'm leaving. I'm going to represent some other site in the mafia champs finals! And I'm taking people with me. Well, at least, I'm taking a whole lot of sock accounts with me. OK?

(In all seriousness, I can only presume it is because your return has people quivering in their boots with the fear that they will never be able to win again?)

LOLLLL!!!! I really don't get it. I think this is one of the most well thought out and truly makes-you-think games I've ever seen. I guess people just aren't used to having to work so hard to figure anything out. LOL. Well, I for one appreciate all the hard work you've put into this game. I don't ever remember having to work this hard on a mafia game and that's pretty damn awesome if you ask me.

Glor - do you think I'm a human civv, human mafia, cylon civv, or cylon mafia? Do you have any suspicions of who I am? Just curious since you seem to be so sure about me.

ObscureAllure wrote:

sig wrote:

Epignosis wrote:For those who do not understand my post:

Day 1, Glorfindel proposed that green names were good and red names were bad. His theory.

Cavil, Doral, Boomer, and Athena were green names.

Conoy, Biers, O'Neill, and Six were red names.

Glorfindel is a Cylon, so the question is, which one is he?

He would not be claiming his own role to be evil, so that rules out Conoy and Six.

That means Glorfindel is Cavil, Doral, or Boomer.

Are any of those Cylons good Cylons?

Yeah this is what you meant? I guess it makes sense, but I'm still not seeing his baddie meta right now if he is a mafia member then props for tricking me. I am starting to question his civvieness so I'm okay with his lynch. I however, plan to vote for someone else maybe Wilgy seeing how he is also an outted most likely bad cylon.

linki: Thanks the meds are wearing off, but I get them again in about an hour. :P

Epignosis wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

Epignosis wrote:You are Cavil, Doral, or Boomer.

Do you deny it?

If this doesn't get me Modkilled, nothing will...
I know it's too late for me and the damage is done, but PLEASE, TRY to understand me... You are asking THE WRONG QUESTION here...

You played a good game, Glorfindel. I mean that.

bea wrote:Glor I get what you are saying. It's possible that the bad guys do not follow show 100 percent. Here's my continued hang up. If not that way, how are they formed?

In the same way I have a hard time seeing athena as anything but for the humans, I have a hard time seeing boomer as anything but in Cavil's faction because it goes drastically against her character in a way that doesn't make sense given the amount of care our host has put into keeping the flavor of the theme true.

If everything you say is true, I'm not sure how Cavil is getting a faction and I'm sure Cavil isn't working for anyone but himself and his own.

Dex wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

Dex wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:Dex, if by 'Cavil faction' (which while I understand why you'd made the assumption that there is one but if you'd been following what I've been saying there is a possibility, however slight, that there may not be) you mean Mafia or any allegiance other than to the Town this game, I can assure you that the answer is an unequivocal 'NO'.

This is, in fact, an equivocal answer. By Cavil faction I do NOT mean mafia or anything about allegiance at all since, strictly speaking, there is no mafia in this game. The term is never used by Goldama. This is how you are currently trying to deny your role while technically not lying about it. Sure, you're not mafia, because there is no mafia. There are sets of compatible and incompatible win conditions - no civs, scum, town, good or bad.
But there is a Cavil faction, and I would like to ask you, please, for an unequivocal yes or no one-word answer: are you part of the Cavil faction?

But I do not expect to get one. Lord-a-mercy, if Glorf escapes lynching today I'm going to need a large dosage of subscription-strength chill pills.

If there is indeed one Dex (and I am utterly unconvinced at your assertion that there is no 'Mafia team' by whatever name you may choose to call it) NO, I am unequivocally not part of it.

That's pretty much the answer I was expecting.

Epignosis wrote:You are Cavil, Doral, or Boomer.

Do you deny it?

Epignosis wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:Look, if I've offended you you Epi, I am genuinely sorry and I apologise unreservedly. I am just so frustrated with this, I've let it get to me to the point where I was rude to you. I'm disappointed in myself that I let this get to me and I'm sorry for that.

You can't see what I can and I doubt that you will before this game is over. I suppose I can't really blame you guys, I guess I was just asking too much from you

You won't ever offend me. No worries there. I don't consider anything you have said about me an insult.

Hell, you can actually call me stupid, and I won't mind.

G-Man wrote:As I see no reason not to, vote = Glorfindel

Burning bridges on your way out is considered poor form.

I hope you're not serious about leaving this site. You write very well and I would love to see what a Glorfindel-hosted game looks and reads like. Around here there is a saying, "it's not personal, it's just mafia."

Epignosis wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:OK, with five votes against me (including my penalty for disobedience Day 6) I accept that there is next to no chance that I'm going to survive this Day phase. I am satisfied that I have done everything within the bounds of my ability and the rules of this game to fulfill what I believe to be expected of a member of this Town Team. It's been really hard and it guts me to have to accept that I have fought so hard for a group of players that are so confident and stubborn in what they THINK is true that they are unwilling to accept any possibility that the truth lies elsewhere. As I said, I've done everything I could. My lynching this Day phase will put our team (yes, again - Town) at a considerable disadvantage and that is a FACT. I don't expect many (if any of you) to see it unless you are prepared to accept that I have told you the truth and I doubt anywhere near enough of you even have the capacity to do that.

I know I'm wasting my time here but for what it's worth, I'd be lynching Polo, S-V-S, and possibly DrWilgy in whatever order you choose. At this point, I am convinced this game is lost to us and it will take a miracle for us to avoid a Mafia win this game. And when the time comes, I'll be there to say "I told you so".

Thanks for the game guys. Good luck - you're going to need it.

I used your own theory to demonstrate that you can only be one of three Cylons. All three of those Cylons are bad news according to everybody. You bizarrely took my accusation against you as good news.

You are also free to label whatever faction you are as "town" since the term isn't used anywhere in the setup, and that relieves you of your need to tell the truth.

I officially withdraw my earlier comment about you (in that I thought you were really smart) - I was clearly mistaken.

I am an idiot.

You are bad.

Epignosis wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:OK, with five votes against me (including my penalty for disobedience Day 6) I accept that there is next to no chance that I'm going to survive this Day phase. I am satisfied that I have done everything within the bounds of my ability and the rules of this game to fulfill what I believe to be expected of a member of this Town Team. It's been really hard and it guts me to have to accept that I have fought so hard for a group of players that are so confident and stubborn in what they THINK is true that they are unwilling to accept any possibility that the truth lies elsewhere. As I said, I've done everything I could. My lynching this Day phase will put our team (yes, again - Town) at a considerable disadvantage and that is a FACT. I don't expect many (if any of you) to see it unless you are prepared to accept that I have told you the truth and I doubt anywhere near enough of you even have the capacity to do that.

I know I'm wasting my time here but for what it's worth, I'd be lynching Polo, S-V-S, and possibly DrWilgy in whatever order you choose. At this point, I am convinced this game is lost to us and it will take a miracle for us to avoid a Mafia win this game. And when the time comes, I'll be there to say "I told you so".

Thanks for the game guys. Good luck - you're going to need it.

I used your own theory to demonstrate that you can only be one of three Cylons. All three of those Cylons are bad news according to everybody. You bizarrely took my accusation against you as good news.

You are also free to label whatever faction you are as "town" since the term isn't used anywhere in the setup, and that relieves you of your need to tell the truth.

I officially withdraw my earlier comment about you (in that I thought you were really smart) - I was clearly mistaken.

I am an idiot.

You are bad.

Epignosis wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:OK, with five votes against me (including my penalty for disobedience Day 6) I accept that there is next to no chance that I'm going to survive this Day phase. I am satisfied that I have done everything within the bounds of my ability and the rules of this game to fulfill what I believe to be expected of a member of this Town Team. It's been really hard and it guts me to have to accept that I have fought so hard for a group of players that are so confident and stubborn in what they THINK is true that they are unwilling to accept any possibility that the truth lies elsewhere. As I said, I've done everything I could. My lynching this Day phase will put our team (yes, again - Town) at a considerable disadvantage and that is a FACT. I don't expect many (if any of you) to see it unless you are prepared to accept that I have told you the truth and I doubt anywhere near enough of you even have the capacity to do that.

I know I'm wasting my time here but for what it's worth, I'd be lynching Polo, S-V-S, and possibly DrWilgy in whatever order you choose. At this point, I am convinced this game is lost to us and it will take a miracle for us to avoid a Mafia win this game. And when the time comes, I'll be there to say "I told you so".

Thanks for the game guys. Good luck - you're going to need it.

I used your own theory to demonstrate that you can only be one of three Cylons. All three of those Cylons are bad news according to everybody. You bizarrely took my accusation against you as good news.

You are also free to label whatever faction you are as "town" since the term isn't used anywhere in the setup, and that relieves you of your need to tell the truth.

bea wrote:Glor - I get that you're frustrated but I am trying to understand you. I'm not being willfully ignorant. I'm trying to open my mind and my expectations. I'm trying to balance my knowledge of the show with the actual game. I'm trying to use both pieces of information together to come to the best possible decision in a semi-closed set up with little information.

I am not the biggest fan of in the world of polo's vote and I said as much when he made it. I'm not sure why svs isn't more up in arms about it tbh.

I'm doing the best I can. I'm sorry if I'm missing something so blatantly obvious to. I often do. I earned my name Queen Nub. You note *I* haven't voted yet? You know why? Because I am trying to understand.

lol INH. You left out squirrel baby.

Golden wrote:The president of the colonies has enacted a new law:

Wills of the Dead Act: Deceased players will have their last will and testament publicly read. Any deceased players may send one sentence to the host each night to be published in the thread the following day, which may be on topic but may not be longer than 25 words. All sentences received will be published together and will not be attributed.

bea wrote:Or maybe I'm not asking that correctly. Why is his concussion about your potential role incorrect? I think that's the more accurate question.

Epignosis wrote:My mind is made up. I'm voting Glorfindel.

sig wrote:\ I find it odd SVS is agreeing with Polo when they're trying to get each other lynched right? Or is it just Polo trying to get SVS lynched?

Ricochet wrote:Hooray for an extra day, to be honest I fell asleep last night. Plus I have a concert in a few hours, so I'll join in the period after.

Right now, I'm leaning independent at worst (on the town-indy-bad spectrum) on Glorfindel, his plead honestly seems to be going deep. Just like Epig, I'd hate to be duped by all this, because it would be one hell of a dupe considering how much effort and word craft Glor has put into it, but I'd almost be willing to assume responsability; Glorfindel would surely never ever find clemency again, at least from me, after such a stunt, if he is indeed bad.

I confess I did not pick up on what he is trying to hint at; it's not that I'm terrible at it (although semi-closed setups make me perform worse in this regard), it's just that it must be way hidden inside his pages of writing and I'd probably need one more point of the pencil in the right direction. I get the idea that mafia might be trying to savor the push of his mislynch, if he is indeed town, but I still find him hesistant or inadequate in being specific about it. I'm really perplexed by his vision that things are not what it seems, that past Cylons who might have been bad may not in fact have been at all, but what more can be said, if that's the viewpoint he likes to drum on. But yeah, all the rest of his plead is sort of making me reconsider his status.

To answer Epig's question, I think with LoRab, Wilgy and Glorfindel all having being "caught" via the Amnesty Act and having claimed good Cylon, it's getting weirdly crowded and serendipitous for all three to be genuine (at least according to, I'd say, the maximum we could admit, via lore, regarding the original Cylon numbers: four bad, four good/rebel ... this doesn't take into account the F5). TBH, Wilgy and Dex, I think, gave me the same bonding impression as Glor and Sig are linked right now. Dex even wrote a big defense of Wilgy which sounded logical. So, urgh.

Epignosis wrote:I wish I had seen this post earlier.

Glorfindel wrote:So Say We All!

indiglo wrote:

DrumBeats wrote:This whole are all cylons bad vs are only some cylons bad thing is interesting. Personally, I believe that only some cylons are against us and others may very well be on our side because 12 scum seems to be too many, especially with one reviving herself right now.

In order to get a more complete town consensus, I would like to hear every person's thoughts on what we are up against tonight. If everybody provides an opinion, we may be able to figure it out as a group, and we will also have things to look back on about this and maybe reveal more depending on how people flip when they die.

My opinion - Epi's Cylon role is a pro-human/town/civ role. So I definitely do not think this game is as simple a set up as humans vs Cylons anymore.

I think I can get on board with this. In one of my earlier posts, I referred to Matt's reference to the Cylons of different coloured font (i.e. red/green). It makes sense to me that the Mafia Team are those whose names are in red font in the index irrespective of whether they are Human or Cylon. Likewise, the opposite applies for those characters in the index whose characters are in green font - they represent the Town. I know that's a Mafia team of 12 members and yes, that's way higher than any game I've played before but thinking on it, why not? Frankly the profile pics of all those characters whose names are in red look pretty damn dodgy to me...

We know right off that this proposal is false, and I believe someone mentioned that the colors have changed as things have progressed, but let's run with it for now.

Cavil
Conoy
Biers
O'Neill
Doral
Six
Boomer
Athena

However, these are almost the original positions for the Cylons. Only Boomer is presently different.

Spoiler: show

Golden wrote:

Battlestar Galactica mafia

Humans



Admiral William Adama – Affectionately called the Old Man of the Fleet, Admiral Adama keeps the human race alive with his hatred for machines, his paranoia, and his cool head under pressure. Adama PMs the host each night with an address to the fleet. Adama is guaranteed not to be one of the final five.



President Laura Roslin – Laura Roslin was Secretary of Education, but became president after the cylon attack on the colonies. Though not religious, Roslin discovers that she fulfils prophecies in the scriptures about a saviour. At three predetermined points in the game, Roslin will receive prophecies that she believes will lead her to the salvation of humanity. Roslin is guaranteed not to be one of the final five.



Kara ‘Starbuck’ Thrace – Starbuck is a hotshot pilot, occupied mostly with taking out more cylons than anyone else. Starbuck tends to get the best of her opponents. She starts with negative two votes on each lynch and will survive her first encounter with cylons, but she cannot be resurrected. No matter how Starbuck dies, her role will be made public upon death. Starbuck is guaranteed not to be one of the final five.



Gaius Baltar – Gaius Baltar is a genius and was one of the pre-eminent scientists in all of the twelve colonies before the attack. He was also inadvertently responsible for enabling the cylons to carry out the attack on the colonies. Baltar has invented a Cylon detector, and with it he can check if someone is a Cylon each night. Baltar is guaranteed not to be one of the final five.



Lee 'Apollo' Adama - Lee is William Adama’s son. Lee is consumed with self-doubt and an inability to feel as though he lives up to his father’s expectations. Lee has a strong desire to do the honourable thing, but he often has difficulty figuring out exactly what that might be. Lee has a choice between two actions each night.



Saul Tigh – Saul is the Galactica’s executive officer. He always tries to do right by the Old Man, but he frequently fracks it up. Every night, Saul sends someone that he suspects to be a cylon to the brig. That person may not talk in the thread or vote in the lynch poll the next day.



Galen Tyrol – Tyrol is the chief mechanic on board Galactica. Periodically, Galactica will come under Cylon attack. As long as Tyrol is alive, he will hold Galactica together and attacks will have no effect. If Tyrol is dead, however, Cylon attacks on Galactica have a chance of causing the death of an occupant on the Galactica, and a small chance of causing the destruction of Galactica and everyone on board.



Karl ‘Helo’ Agathon – Karl ‘Helo’ Agathon – Helo is well known for his bravery, loyalty and honour. It is said of him that he always does the right thing. Each day, Helo will select one player to make immune from the vote. The identity of that player will not be public knowledge, and any votes cast against that person will not count.



Felix Gaeta - Gaeta is trusting and idealistic, and he sees the best in everyone. He is diligent and works hard, and considers it an incredible honour to serve under Admiral Adama. He is also something of a prodigy, but remains humble.



Anastasia 'Dee' Dualla - Dee is the voice people hear on the other end of the line, as she is the one who relays the Admirals orders to the viper pilots as they fight. Her voice brings them home. Once in the game, Dee can PM the host during a night phase and stop any human death during that night. If Dee attempts to use this ability unsuccessfully (that is, she does not prevent any human kill that night), she retains the ability until she uses it successfully.



Cally Henderson - Cally is a young mechanic in Tyrol’s engineer pool. Every night, Cally will search for the chief. If Cally finds him, he will get a nightkill protect. If Cally targets Boomer, she will shoot Boomer and Boomer will die. Cally can only target any given player once in the game.



Sam Anders – Sam is one of the colonies most well known professional athletes, as the star player of Caprica's pyramid team. Sam has a leg up on the competition when it comes to contests, Once in the game Sam may PM the hosts to end a contest and win the prize (he must do this before the contest ends). Once in the game Sam may PM the hosts to get a duplicate of a prize won by another person in a contest (he must do this either before the contest ends or within 12 hours of it ending). Any time a contest involves anonymous submissions where a winner will be judged, Sam may submit two entries.



Lou ‘Kat’ Katraine – Kat is a hotshot viper pilot but she is also a rookie, and Starbuck treats her that way. Kat wants nothing more than to take down more cylons than Starbuck does.



Brendon ‘Hot Dog’ Costanza – Hot Dog is another rookie pilot, who proves quite adept at taking out cylons and staying alive. Any nightkill aimed at Hot Dog will rebound onto a random cylon (excluding any unrevealed members of the final five).



Doc Cottle – Cottle is the best doc in the fleet. Cottle protects one player each night from nightkills.



Billy Keikeya - Billy is President Roslin's aide, and is incredibly loyal to her.



Tom Zarek - Zarek was a terrorist and activist in his younger life, and escaped the destruction of the colonies in a cell on a prison ship. Zarek is primarily motivated by his own political gain.



Ellen Tigh - Ellen is the wife of Saul Tigh, and despite her destructive ways and their broken relationship she still loves him deeply. When she has been drinking, Ellen is prone to fracking up. When Ellen casts her vote, it has a 1/3 chance of actually counting towards her target or the person above or below her target on the poll. Any vote she casts against Saul will not count.



Tory Foster – Tory is a savvy political advisor, who is focussed more on the result than on the ethics of getting there. Once in the game, Tory can PM the host during the day period and determine the identity of the person who will be lynched that day.



Romo Lampkin – Lampkin is one of humanity’s last surviving lawyers. He doesn’t much want to continue his craft on Galactica, but circumstances and a sense of duty see him standing up even for those who most others would think don’t deserve a voice.

Cylons:



John Cavil (number one)



Leoben Conoy (number two)



D’Anna Biers (number three)



Simon O’Neill (number four)



Aaron Doral (number five)



Caprica Six (number six)



Sharon ‘Boomer’ Valerii (number eight)



Sharon ‘Athena’ Agathon (number eight)

Secret role

[secret role] Might be human. Might be cylon. Might be stationed on Galactica. Might not. Who really knows.

So then, according to Glorfindel:

Mafia Cylons:

Conoy
Biers
O'Neill
Six

Civilian Cylons:

Cavil
Doral
Boomer
Athena

Glorfindel isn't O'Neill or Biers. For those concerned that Glorfindel is Six, that cannot be the case, for he would have been labeling his own role as evil (red). The same is true of Conoy. If Glorfindel is a green Cylon, which he speculated were the civilian Cylons, then he is Cavil, Doral, Boomer, or Athena, and he ain't Athena.

G-Man wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

G-Man wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

G-Man wrote:Because now that he confesses to be a Toaster, I feel validated in suspicions of him. Early on he was asking questions about Toaster mechanics. That led me to believe he was one. If, in fact there are more than just one good one, his continued pattern of answering questions with questioms and indirect statements frustrates the hell out of me and leads me to believe he is not one of the good ones. If he wanted to convince us he's good, he'd have cut the proverbial crap a long time ago and started giving us direct answers. The fact that he only gives short, to-the-point answers when cornered and badgered to the breaking point speaks volumes to me.

G-Man, see... you've done it again... Still, there's enough in this post that gives me hope that you are not totally lost. I KNOW you think I'm bad and have done practically all game but I want to ask you to do something for me - for the good of the entire Town. You've stated a fact there in your second sentence. I understand completely how you've come to your conclusion (and you're still mistaken) but I challenge you to put aside what you think you know about this game and put yourself in my shoes. I know it's hard, but re-read what I said in my 'I am a Cylon post'. There IS another spin to be out on what you've pointed out there that you're missing. It might sound far fetched but it's the truth. I expect you'll still want to lynch me and I accept that but I've not given up hope that you can't see the truth.

Alright, Glorfindel, enlighten me on something if you would. You admit that you are a Toaster and you claim to be a good one when it seems that the number of theoretical good ones remaining are all but accounted for. You refer to my sentence about you asking about Toaster mechanics early on.

Please answer the following question in one sentence, preferably in 35 words or fewer, and with as few dependent clauses as possible:

Why were you asking about Toaster mechanics in the game thread?

I'm sorry, my friend - that is what I originally asked of you. You will find what you seek in your answer to that question. I would honestly love to answer that for you but I cannot.

Are you even trying to convince me not to vote for you anymore?

insertnamehere wrote:I don't want to "blind people with lore,"

Dex wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:Dex, if by 'Cavil faction' (which while I understand why you'd made the assumption that there is one but if you'd been following what I've been saying there is a possibility, however slight, that there may not be) you mean Mafia or any allegiance other than to the Town this game, I can assure you that the answer is an unequivocal 'NO'.

This is, in fact, an equivocal answer. By Cavil faction I do NOT mean mafia or anything about allegiance at all since, strictly speaking, there is no mafia in this game. The term is never used by Goldama. This is how you are currently trying to deny your role while technically not lying about it. Sure, you're not mafia, because there is no mafia. There are sets of compatible and incompatible win conditions - no civs, scum, town, good or bad.
But there is a Cavil faction, and I would like to ask you, please, for an unequivocal yes or no one-word answer: are you part of the Cavil faction?

But I do not expect to get one. Lord-a-mercy, if Glorf escapes lynching today I'm going to need a large dosage of subscription-strength chill pills.

G-Man wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

G-Man wrote:Because now that he confesses to be a Toaster, I feel validated in suspicions of him. Early on he was asking questions about Toaster mechanics. That led me to believe he was one. If, in fact there are more than just one good one, his continued pattern of answering questions with questioms and indirect statements frustrates the hell out of me and leads me to believe he is not one of the good ones. If he wanted to convince us he's good, he'd have cut the proverbial crap a long time ago and started giving us direct answers. The fact that he only gives short, to-the-point answers when cornered and badgered to the breaking point speaks volumes to me.

G-Man, see... you've done it again... Still, there's enough in this post that gives me hope that you are not totally lost. I KNOW you think I'm bad and have done practically all game but I want to ask you to do something for me - for the good of the entire Town. You've stated a fact there in your second sentence. I understand completely how you've come to your conclusion (and you're still mistaken) but I challenge you to put aside what you think you know about this game and put yourself in my shoes. I know it's hard, but re-read what I said in my 'I am a Cylon post'. There IS another spin to be out on what you've pointed out there that you're missing. It might sound far fetched but it's the truth. I expect you'll still want to lynch me and I accept that but I've not given up hope that you can't see the truth.

Alright, Glorfindel, enlighten me on something if you would. You admit that you are a Toaster and you claim to be a good one when it seems that the number of theoretical good ones remaining are all but accounted for. You refer to my sentence about you asking about Toaster mechanics early on.

Please answer the following question in one sentence, preferably in 35 words or fewer, and with as few dependent clauses as possible:

Why were you asking about Toaster mechanics in the game thread?

Polo wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Polo wrote:

Epignosis wrote:What distinguishes a bad Cylon from a good one, and how do you determine that?

A bad Cylon is a Cylon whose win conditions should be incompatible with those of the good Humans, who need Cavil's faction dead.

A good Cylon is a Cylon who shares win conditions with humans and/or who need Cavil's faction dead.

You only answered the first question. I've underlined the part you've missed.

Lore.

Polo wrote:I distrust you completely.

Ricochet wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:Seeing this is 'Glorfindel Hour' here at The Syndicate :P I know that poor Sig was having his wisdom teeth out but has anyone seen 3J?

Where do you know that about sig from?

sig wrote:Will be out Friday afternoon and perhaps the weekend since I'm getting teeth pulled.

Epignosis wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:All that being said, I'm gonna have a hard time not voting for Glorfindel today. Yes, I think there's a very good chance he's Caprica Six, but there's still some definite ambiguity as to her motives, and I have some doubts that they line up with the civilian ones.

Also, I think that lynching Glorfindel would be the most educational move at this point. He's the new hot topic around here, and revealing his ultimate orientation would definitely shine some light on some personal motivations.

And THIS is EXACTLY the reason why I have little hope that we can win this game The closest thing we have to a confirmed Townie in this game (in my opinion) doing EXACTLY what I've been warning against Can you people not read anything I say?

Somebody wants to lynch you and therefore civilians can't win?

How is INH the closest thing to a confirmed civilian?

If you are good, can you not find a way to prove your point without breaking the rules?

My suggestion would be to stop with the five page essays. I guarantee you most people aren't reading them.

Lunch is over Epi so I will have to answer your questions later (on the way home or tonight). And by that, I mean answer them to the best of my ability. I am so constrained here by what I feel I can't say, it's ridiculous. I have a question for you though - how does me being good help me get around the rules? I'd love to know, it might help me lots, thanks!

Tell us who needs to be lynched and why.

That's all there is to it.

ObscureAllure wrote:I Have been right about Nutella, LoRab, Wigly all being cylons and was right about LC being bad and you have NO meta to go off of for me and I'm a top suspect.

insertnamehere wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:All that being said, I'm gonna have a hard time not voting for Glorfindel today. Yes, I think there's a very good chance he's Caprica Six, but there's still some definite ambiguity as to her motives, and I have some doubts that they line up with the civilian ones.

Also, I think that lynching Glorfindel would be the most educational move at this point. He's the new hot topic around here, and revealing his ultimate orientation would definitely shine some light on some personal motivations.

And THIS is EXACTLY the reason why I have little hope that we can win this game The closest thing we have to a confirmed Townie in this game (in my opinion) doing EXACTLY what I've been warning against Can you people not read anything I say?

I looked over some of your recent posts and here's what I read:

Civilians are in a bad situation because we keep thinking that cylon = bad when really it's all very complicated and you have very specific info that would stop us from lynching you but if you reveal it you'll get modkilled and anyone who thinks you're deflecting is simply not listening to you.

(Also, how am I a confirmed townie? Did I miss something?)

G-Man wrote:Because now that he confesses to be a Toaster, I feel validated in suspicions of him. Early on he was asking questions about Toaster mechanics. That led me to believe he was one. If, in fact there are more than just one good one, his continued pattern of answering questions with questioms and indirect statements frustrates the hell out of me and leads me to believe he is not one of the good ones. If he wanted to convince us he's good, he'd have cut the proverbial crap a long time ago and started giving us direct answers. The fact that he only gives short, to-the-point answers when cornered and badgered to the breaking point speaks volumes to me.

Dex wrote:Glorfindel, please answer this question honestly: are you part of the Cavil faction?

Epignosis wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:All that being said, I'm gonna have a hard time not voting for Glorfindel today. Yes, I think there's a very good chance he's Caprica Six, but there's still some definite ambiguity as to her motives, and I have some doubts that they line up with the civilian ones.

Also, I think that lynching Glorfindel would be the most educational move at this point. He's the new hot topic around here, and revealing his ultimate orientation would definitely shine some light on some personal motivations.

And THIS is EXACTLY the reason why I have little hope that we can win this game The closest thing we have to a confirmed Townie in this game (in my opinion) doing EXACTLY what I've been warning against Can you people not read anything I say?

Somebody wants to lynch you and therefore civilians can't win?
Someone I firmly believe to be a fellow Townie wants to lynch me because he STILL hasn't got it. If one takes that as indicative of the approach of our team then... Yeah, pretty much!

How is INH the closest thing to a confirmed civilian?
I believe I made that estimation on the basis that it was "my opinion"?

If you are good, can you not find a way to prove your point without breaking the rules?
I AM good but I'm afraid I'm not THAT good

My suggestion would be to stop with the five page essays. I guarantee you most people aren't reading them.
You may very well be correct there Epi but it is the only way I am able to communicate to you (All) what I can't otherwise say... If you are right and no one is paying attention to what I'm saying then I think our cause is pretty much lost

Epignosis wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:All that being said, I'm gonna have a hard time not voting for Glorfindel today. Yes, I think there's a very good chance he's Caprica Six, but there's still some definite ambiguity as to her motives, and I have some doubts that they line up with the civilian ones.

Also, I think that lynching Glorfindel would be the most educational move at this point. He's the new hot topic around here, and revealing his ultimate orientation would definitely shine some light on some personal motivations.

And THIS is EXACTLY the reason why I have little hope that we can win this game The closest thing we have to a confirmed Townie in this game (in my opinion) doing EXACTLY what I've been warning against Can you people not read anything I say?

Somebody wants to lynch you and therefore civilians can't win?

How is INH the closest thing to a confirmed civilian?

If you are good, can you not find a way to prove your point without breaking the rules?

My suggestion would be to stop with the five page essays. I guarantee you most people aren't reading them.

Epignosis wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:As for your last question, I'm not even sure how to approach that. Firstly, we have six hours left before EoD7 and I start work shortly, Lunch probably won't be until after EoD so my time to provide you with an in-depth analysis is extremely limited.

If you weren't going to be back until the after the end of Day 7, why did you vote?

That should say, "Why didn't you vote?"

Oh, and congrats on your NASCAR win

insertnamehere wrote:All that being said, I'm gonna have a hard time not voting for Glorfindel today. Yes, I think there's a very good chance he's Caprica Six, but there's still some definite ambiguity as to her motives, and I have some doubts that they line up with the civilian ones.

Also, I think that lynching Glorfindel would be the most educational move at this point. He's the new hot topic around here, and revealing his ultimate orientation would definitely shine some light on some personal motivations.

Ricochet wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:As for your last question, I'm not even sure how to approach that. Firstly, we have six hours left before EoD7 and I start work shortly, Lunch probably won't be until after EoD so my time to provide you with an in-depth analysis is extremely limited. Further, I think we need to keep in mind that the list of those four has been supplemented by the six NKs that were certain Town. Briefly though, LC clearly my not have been Mafia but his agenda was clearly and obviously anti-Town (please refer all of my previous remarks about Mafia team composition). I believe LoRab's comments to have been genuine and that there is a high likelihood that she was indeed one of us. Magnus (Nerolunar) I think everyone generally accepts as having been Town although that's not necessarily conclusive. As I recall there was a conflict there between him and IAWY/DrWigly. If one accepts that DrWigly is one of us, perhaps things arn't so clear about Magnus' alignment after all. And, Nutella... This for me is a 'gut read'. It seems like it was weeks ago... From my recollection, one of the key elements in the case against Nutella was an alleged BTSC connection with LoRab. If one accepts the likelihood (or even the possibility) that LoRab was indeed Town, then it makes sense to me that it calls into question the case against Nutella and I would hope, the player/s that launched that ship in the first place.

I'm not Epig, but this got me interested in offering a reply. From top to bottom on your ideas:

-- town players getting killed is almost matter of self-evidence, there's no reason to count that towards a despondent view of the game situation. On the contrary, if we did well enough to not add ourselves to the town toll via mislynch, we are actively counter-balancing the mafia kills
I take your point here but looking at our position from a global view, we're down a lot of players right now and if what I'm assuming is correct, we're clearly in a rather poor position. But again, things may not be as bad as they feel to me that they are. What I'm trying to say here is that whether you can see it or not, not much in this game is as it appears. I'd prefer to take a more conservative approach in the circumstances than adopting an attitude that everything is fine when there is no evidence that is the case.
-- I don't see any reason to doubt Saul Tigh's flip as anti-town; even if, at that point, the Final Five may have been awoken and this role remained one of the F5's, it's
Again, call me paranoid but I'm saying that we shouldn't be taking what we think we see for granted. I accept it's a long bow but the more I see of this game, the more I want to question even our more basic assumptions.You may not be able to see the reason for me taking this approach and I'm forbidden from explaining why, but there is a solid basis for me thinking this.
-- you seem pretty easygoing on making bad/good, black/white connections: if we treat Wilgy as good, it must mean Nerolunar was shady? Uh, how about town vs town square-offs?
No, not at all. I was tinfoiling (if I understand the term correctly). I'm trying to think outside the square because I believe I have good reason to question the assumptions that have been made by others so far this game.
-- same connection issue with Nutella/LoRab; if anything, I find it backwards: LoRab was suspected for having BTSC with a nutella whose role revealed inspired the consideration of her being bad. LoRab likely being good does not erase nutella's role reveal and the perception of that.
Point taken, I may have gotten that wrong - a lot of water has flowed under the bridge since then. But at the end of the day my point stands, you are falling into the very trap that I am asking you to consider more carefully - we can't assume that Nutella was Mafia based on her role alone. I don't know how many times I have to say this. Making those assumptions is not doing us any favours.
Anyway, as far as your answer here goes, I'd say the reason you are prone to "gloom and doom" is because you doubt too much even the lynch results that are closest to be interpreted in a positive light for town (such as nutella's). I really find it strange that you would question Nerolunar's mislynch, but suggest nutella might have been one as well.