The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:00 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:57 pm Good game Mac, that was an unlucky bounce for you and sabie. Sorry to undo you guys at the final minute like that.
Shit happens. Was a weird game. I don't know why TSP got lynched but I used all my civ equity trying to defend him when I had no right to.

Glorfindel you were awesome. Best I've ever seen you play.

Thank you, Mac. That means a great deal to me coming from you. I’m sorry you didn’t have a great game yourself - I guess you did stuff Day 1 when you didn’t know you were converted that did some damage to the Mafia Team. As it turns out you WERE awesome while you were one of us.

Thanks to everyone and especially to Sloonei. I felt we connected pretty well right off the bat. You managed to keep me engaged throughout the game and as far as playing with you, this was a dream. Thank you so very much. I’d like to also point out, that in the three and a half years that I’ve been a member of The Syndicate (on and off) this is my very first victory as any alignment. Feels good.

Sorry Jack for suspecting you and thank you for being sufficiently persistent so as to cast doubt in my mind about my suspicions of you.

And above all, HUGE thanks to Jay for hosting this game. I hope you enjoyed it as much as I did.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:39 pm I'll do some interactive analysis later on. I have a feeling I won't be around for Day 5 now, so I need to get this done before the sun comes up.

There’s a good chance the game is over now. I’ll admit it feels kinda good that it appears I was wrong about Jack..

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:05 pm Mac for the recruit?

Given his 180 on Mac after Day 1, seems kinda obvious to me. Great work, my friend

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:31 pm Who's mafia, glorf?

I know I’m going to get hammered for this but for all sorts of reasons I’ve already covered, I think your PoE makes the most sense to me. The fact that both TSP and Mac are advocating Creature’s lynch at the moment feels bad. BWT’s vote looks to me like he really doesn’t understand what’s gone on here over this last Day phase.

Not that it makes any difference now, but I’m switching back to TSP. I’d rather lose this game being right than not...

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:35 pm Okay, so now that we've had the back and forth wall of discussion from TSP and Sloonei, I think this is where I currently stand.

Between the odds of who could be the Master vs. who could be the Recruit, I'm thinking about basing my vote on the odds of what lynching a certain person reveals in terms of information/clarity on the other players. And IMO, that person is probably Creature. I wasn't sure on Sloonei or TSP at first, but I feel like the discussion they were leading led to them butting heads and voting each other, but then being able to step back from that idea and re-examine the game as a whole. If either of them is mafia and managed to fake that, my hat is off to either or both of you as soon as this game ends.

So yeah, I don't have the energy right now to do the kind of examination I want to do, but I'm putting my vote on Creature for now. I might try to take a nap and come back before EOD to see if I can find anything else worthwhile to cover.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

I just want to say that I think this is wrong and bad play for the following reasons:

1. Creature’s demised will provide us with lots of information. REALLY? He’s barely posted in days. Forgive me but just what information do you expect we’d gain from his lynch?

2. This is end game, I think it’s silly for us to be ‘lynching for info’ now. We should be lynching to eliminate Mafia.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:02 am
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:20 am
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Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 12:57 am Witch Hunt: Why is everyone scum?

Creature - Has dropped off as the game has gone on, playstyle resembles another recent scum game. sabie kept him at arm's length when she was alive and he voted for Not Sabie Day 1.
Glorfindel - He went to great lengths to justify a scum read on Sabie Day 1. Could be an elaborate bussing effort.
Jackofhearts - Screwed around early, sabie expressed vague "iffy" scum read of him all of Day 1 and then backed off Day 2. Never voted for sabie.
Macdougall - Has dropped off since pouncing on sabie Day 1. Sabie seemed shook when he caught her Day 1. Possible recuit.
birdwithteeth - Has not done anything extraordinary one way or another since subbing in.
TonyStarkPrime - Deep wolf. I found some holes in his sabie interactions despite what would have had to be an aggressive bussing strategy.

Which of these arguments was the hardest to come up with/least convincing?
Glorfindel by a mile. Jack and birdwithteeth arguments also felt weak.

Mac needs to be the recruit if he's bad. Creature can be either, though I haven't done a deep look at his posts in a while so there might be something which changes my mind on that. I surprisingly still feel the strongest about the TonyStark read, but that could just be recency bias.

Trustfall: Why is everyone town?

Creature - Doesn't give a shit about optics. Criticism of the sabie wagon on Day 1 would be a very bold move from a Day 1 bad guy in a relatively new environment. Voted to lynch sabie.
Glorfindel - Was on board the sabie lynch from the beginning, has been an active and engaged presence throughout, Cannot Tell a Lie.
Jackofhearts - Doesn't give a shit about optics, was sabie's #1 target on Day 1.
Macdougall - Caught sabie Day 1.
birdwithteeth - Oreki wasn't even here for the first phase. birdwithteeth's presence since subbing back in resembles the player called birdwithteeth that we lynched on Day 1.
TonyStarkPrime - Look at him go. Has been the most consistent analytical voice on this list. Voted for sabie Days 1 & 2.

Glorf's still the best looking guy here (hey we're an all male game now. The Fucking Patriarchy wins again.). I feel better about my argument for birdwithteeth than the argument against him, but neither is especially strong. None of these were really difficult to come up with, honestly.

The three names that I'm getting stuck on are Mac, TSP, and Creature. A mafia team of Master Tony, Lou Tenant Sabie, and Recruit Mac might make some sense.

@Sloonei: I’m kinda with you on your suspicion of TSP. He admitted earlier this Day phase that he DID only place his vote on Sabie in the dying minutes of Day one when things were all tied up and he could do so with maximum safety. I think being Day 1, it’s more unlikely then, as ever that there would’ve been any external influences at play so in short, if he wanted to bus Sabie for Cred but not lose her, he’d have had no better opportunity. Might be a bit of a long bow but that post where Mac picked up on Sabie’s avoiding posting a read on TSP on the grounds of not being familiar with his game but then posting opinion pieces on other players with whom she also had limited exposure and TSP’s response to Mac on that do look a little strange to me.
That was day 2 not day 1. Day 1 Vote was on most of the day.

OK, let me review this .

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:31 am Sloonei and TSP are more civ than Creature. TSP voted Sabie both day 1 and 2 didn't he?

2 votes on 4 wagons and his vote is on Sabie.

Mac, please work with me on this one - look at the post I quoted of yours from Day 1 in response to Sabie’s post in which you commented that based on her refusal to ‘read’ TSP, that he must be Mafia is Sabie was. Shortly after you posted that, TSP latched on to Sabie (please correct me if I’m incorrect there). His response looks to me like it’s extremely defensive and looking at it now, I don’t think it looks good at all.

As for Creature, I said his lynch felt too easy and I’m starting to feel even more that way now. The guy has stopped playing, hasn’t he? I don’t know him all that well but I can’t see him doing that as Mafia.

Someone (Sloonei, perhaps) suggested that you might be the recruit. If that were the case (hypothetically speaking), your trying to influence my vote back to Creature (and abandoning your initial remarks about TSP) would make more sense, would it not? I’m just trying to keep an open mind to all the possibilities...

I’ll be back before EOD in the morning and I promise you now, I will vote to save Sloonei if it comes to that.

I think things are kinda desperate for us here. Jack says he’s Town. I’ve got nothing but this weird feeling in my water that he might be Mafia. If we assume he’s Town (because no other option really makes any sense) what do we make of his insistence that Creature is Town too. How can he be so sure? My problem is Creature seems like too easy an option. Mac’s judgement was on point early this game. Even if he was converted Day 2, he was authentic Town Day 1. I think Sloonei has convinced me. I’m taking a chance here but I trust him. If I’m wrong, well, I learn from this.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:39 am @Glorfindel I don't see Mac and Tony talking about that anywhere. Can you point me to the exchange you're referring to?

Read #103 to about #118...

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Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 12:57 am Witch Hunt: Why is everyone scum?

Creature - Has dropped off as the game has gone on, playstyle resembles another recent scum game. sabie kept him at arm's length when she was alive and he voted for Not Sabie Day 1.
Glorfindel - He went to great lengths to justify a scum read on Sabie Day 1. Could be an elaborate bussing effort.
Jackofhearts - Screwed around early, sabie expressed vague "iffy" scum read of him all of Day 1 and then backed off Day 2. Never voted for sabie.
Macdougall - Has dropped off since pouncing on sabie Day 1. Sabie seemed shook when he caught her Day 1. Possible recuit.
birdwithteeth - Has not done anything extraordinary one way or another since subbing in.
TonyStarkPrime - Deep wolf. I found some holes in his sabie interactions despite what would have had to be an aggressive bussing strategy.

Which of these arguments was the hardest to come up with/least convincing?
Glorfindel by a mile. Jack and birdwithteeth arguments also felt weak.

Mac needs to be the recruit if he's bad. Creature can be either, though I haven't done a deep look at his posts in a while so there might be something which changes my mind on that. I surprisingly still feel the strongest about the TonyStark read, but that could just be recency bias.

Trustfall: Why is everyone town?

Creature - Doesn't give a shit about optics. Criticism of the sabie wagon on Day 1 would be a very bold move from a Day 1 bad guy in a relatively new environment. Voted to lynch sabie.
Glorfindel - Was on board the sabie lynch from the beginning, has been an active and engaged presence throughout, Cannot Tell a Lie.
Jackofhearts - Doesn't give a shit about optics, was sabie's #1 target on Day 1.
Macdougall - Caught sabie Day 1.
birdwithteeth - Oreki wasn't even here for the first phase. birdwithteeth's presence since subbing back in resembles the player called birdwithteeth that we lynched on Day 1.
TonyStarkPrime - Look at him go. Has been the most consistent analytical voice on this list. Voted for sabie Days 1 & 2.

Glorf's still the best looking guy here (hey we're an all male game now. The Fucking Patriarchy wins again.). I feel better about my argument for birdwithteeth than the argument against him, but neither is especially strong. None of these were really difficult to come up with, honestly.

The three names that I'm getting stuck on are Mac, TSP, and Creature. A mafia team of Master Tony, Lou Tenant Sabie, and Recruit Mac might make some sense.

[mention]Sloonei[/mention]: I’m kinda with you on your suspicion of TSP. He admitted earlier this Day phase that he DID only place his vote on Sabie in the dying minutes of Day one when things were all tied up and he could do so with maximum safety. I think being Day 1, it’s more unlikely then, as ever that there would’ve been any external influences at play so in short, if he wanted to bus Sabie for Cred but not lose her, he’d have had no better opportunity. Might be a bit of a long bow but that post where Mac picked up on Sabie’s avoiding posting a read on TSP on the grounds of not being familiar with his game but then posting opinion pieces on other players with whom she also had limited exposure and TSP’s response to Mac on that do look a little strange to me.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 12:59 am
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 12:51 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:49 pm
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:25 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:02 pm Or we could, you know, do nothing.

I want to take a look at everybody today. No stone left unturned and all that. I overextended myself on my run today and have been lying in bed on a endorphine cloud ever since, but once I have energy and motivation again i plan on asking myself what my best argument for and against every one of you is. I think that would be a good place to start and I encourage others to give it a try.
Well, for a start, I’d like to explore this post. I’m halfway through ‘Couch to 5K’ and would love to hear your experiences with running, Sloonei. How far do you normally run? How far is ‘over-extending’ yourself? Any tips for a beginner?
I don't know how to give tips! I've just kind of always done it. I played sports my entire childhood, then when high school ended I didn't have a natural fitness outlet and felt gross, so I decided to start running and now it's just a thing that I do for pleasure now, several years later. It relaxes me like nothing else, and I do it more for that than the fitness aspects of it, though I appreciate that as well.
Today I ran 7 miles, which isn't overdoing it by itself, but the temperature was in the upper-20s in Celsius with major humidity, and I also swallowed some bugs. I have no advice on how to avoid doing that, unfortunately.

I guess my main tip would be that your nutrition around the run is more important than the run itself. Drink lots of water and eat things that you won't regret later on, and make sure you do the proper amount of stretching before and after.

If you're just just starting out, keep in mind that every step counts as something. Don't try to achieve everything all at once but just go for minimal improvements every day.
Clearly, you are sadly mistaken, my friend. That is sum quality advice that I appreciate greatly. I am (in concert with the app) increasing my capacity slowly but steadily. I’ll confess, when I started out with this thing, I didn’t think I’d make it past the first week and here I am starting Week 4 tomorrow arvo. When I start, I feel great - like I king of the world! By the time I finish, I feel I should be in intensive care in a medical facility somewhere - and I feel the same no matter how far I run. I’d been wondering if I should drink more water or eat differently on the days I run and you helped clear that up for me, so I’m most grateful for the time you took to give me that advice, my friend
Well them I'm glad I could help! Yeah, water is a very important thing. Fruit and granola also make really good pre-run snacks.
What distance/pace/however this app measures things are you at right now?

It’s like 5 minute walk to warm up, run 2 minutes, walk 2 minutes, run 3 minutes, walk 2 minutes, repeat a few times then back to the 2 minute run and then cool down. It generally takes about a half an hour. I’m kinda excited to see if I can make it to the end and run half an hour straight. I should point out that this was the idea of my Physio who at the time was trying to help me with some stress-management strategies and as you say, it seems to have done the trick.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:49 pm
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:25 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:02 pm Or we could, you know, do nothing.

I want to take a look at everybody today. No stone left unturned and all that. I overextended myself on my run today and have been lying in bed on a endorphine cloud ever since, but once I have energy and motivation again i plan on asking myself what my best argument for and against every one of you is. I think that would be a good place to start and I encourage others to give it a try.
Well, for a start, I’d like to explore this post. I’m halfway through ‘Couch to 5K’ and would love to hear your experiences with running, Sloonei. How far do you normally run? How far is ‘over-extending’ yourself? Any tips for a beginner?
I don't know how to give tips! I've just kind of always done it. I played sports my entire childhood, then when high school ended I didn't have a natural fitness outlet and felt gross, so I decided to start running and now it's just a thing that I do for pleasure now, several years later. It relaxes me like nothing else, and I do it more for that than the fitness aspects of it, though I appreciate that as well.
Today I ran 7 miles, which isn't overdoing it by itself, but the temperature was in the upper-20s in Celsius with major humidity, and I also swallowed some bugs. I have no advice on how to avoid doing that, unfortunately.

I guess my main tip would be that your nutrition around the run is more important than the run itself. Drink lots of water and eat things that you won't regret later on, and make sure you do the proper amount of stretching before and after.

If you're just just starting out, keep in mind that every step counts as something. Don't try to achieve everything all at once but just go for minimal improvements every day.

[OT} Clearly, you are sadly mistaken, my friend. That is sum quality advice that I appreciate greatly. I am (in concert with the app) increasing my capacity slowly but steadily. I’ll confess, when I started out with this thing, I didn’t think I’d make it past the first week and here I am starting Week 4 tomorrow arvo. When I start, I feel great - like I king of the world! By the time I finish, I feel I should be in intensive care in a medical facility somewhere - and I feel the same no matter how far I run. I’d been wondering if I should drink more water or eat differently on the days I run and you helped clear that up for me, so I’m most grateful for the time you took to give me that advice, my friend

[/OT]

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:02 pm Or we could, you know, do nothing.

I want to take a look at everybody today. No stone left unturned and all that. I overextended myself on my run today and have been lying in bed on a endorphine cloud ever since, but once I have energy and motivation again i plan on asking myself what my best argument for and against every one of you is. I think that would be a good place to start and I encourage others to give it a try.

Well, for a start, I’d like to explore this post. I’m halfway through ‘Couch to 5K’ and would love to hear your experiences with running, Sloonei. How far do you normally run? How far is ‘over-extending’ yourself? Any tips for a beginner?

If it wasn’t already obvious, my vote was always going to start on Creature today and I see no reason at all not to pursue that now.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:09 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:06 pm
birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:32 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:21 am So let’s lynch Sloonei and if he flips as the recruit, I’ll consider Mac cleared.
I'm starting to think this might be the better option over you. How Sloonei flips may determine for me who is on the baddie team.

EBWOP cause I didn’t say anything.

Sloon flips recruit clears Mac.

Sloon flips Master points to Mac recruit.

Sloon flips wolf points to town Jack, town Tony, town Creature.

Sloon flips town, points to those same players + Mac as potential wolves.

He’s the most likely wolf and we learn the most from his id.

OK, after reading Sloonei’s posts (subsequent to this one) I’m convinced that you might be Town (still don’t feel like I can trust you though). That said, I reiterate my stance on his lynch - unless something happens that substantially implicates him as Mafia, I’m not jumping aboard your ‘lynch Sloonei train’.

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] I’ll admit, when I went through my pops last night, I could see a murky thing happening there that suggested some kind of relationship between Sabie and TSP. Problem is, I can’t see a one person in a two person Mafia team bussing a PR teamie that early. I could however, if TSP had placed his vote on Sabie late Day 1 when he could do so with the least probability of her actually getting lynched (in a four-way tie) but I checked and he placed his vote on her two hours out from EoD and with all of the vote swapping that occurred after that, he couldn’t have known how it would turn out. I’m concluding that the chance of him being Sabie’s partner Day 1 is kinda low on that basis.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:21 am
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:04 am
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#103 Halfway through the first Day, Mac puts a vote on Sabie.

#104 Immediately after Mac’s vote on Sabie, TSP asks Mac if he’d considered voting for Jack.

#107 Mac addresses Sabie’s post in very direct fashion and points out that she refused to give a read on TSP on the basis of unfamiliarity with his meta despite offering non-meta reads on Creature and Épi.

#117 Here we see a defense by TSP to Sabie’s assertion that she had ‘nothing to go on’ in terms of being able to read him. Seems interesting at this point looking back that this defense followed so closely after Mac’s comment about Sabie’s read on him.

#124 TSP asks BWT if he has any reads on Sabie and Mac.

#126 BWT declines a read on Sabie but says he believes Mac to be Town on the basis that he wasn’t defending himself.

#129 BWT places his vote on Sabie.

#132 BWT says he wants to re-consider his vote on Sabie because he can’t see the case on her

#137 In a masterful analysis, Epi declares Sabie 67% Mafia.

#138 TSP indicates that he will support Epi’s case on Sabie.

#144 THAT post of Epi’s.

#145 Sloonei like wise endorses Mac’s case on Sabie on the rationale of a disproportionate content/reads ratio.

#149 BWT declines the case on Sabie.

#153 Lon Con states that he is unvoting Sabie as a consequence of #144.

#155 Colin says he likes Mac’s case on Sabie but is dissuaded by #144.

# 164 Sloonei asks Colin for reads on players other than Sabie.

#165 Sabie says she suspects Sprityo and Jack, thinks that TSP and Glorf are OK despite being unfamiliar with our play styles and admonished Mac for having mis-lynched as Town in previous games.

#166 TSP addresses #165 asking Sabie for a case on either Sprityo or Jack.

#169 Sabie’s response to TSP claiming that Mafia-Jack is more laid back and Town-Jack is openly diligent and she believes that she’s observed the former this game. Doesn’t reference Sprityo but raises suspicion of BWT on the same basis.

#171 Less than two hours from EOD, Sloonei says that while he doesn’t hate the case on Sabie, he’s wary of it because of #144 (not directly referenced).

#172 In response to #169, TSP places his vote on Sabie

#180 In a sympathetic post, Glorf states to Sabie that he is voting for her according to his best judgement.

#185 Again, Sabie pushes on BWT, throws shade at Epi and reiterates her case on Jack.

#187 Glorf response to Sloonei stating that he is ‘concerned’ about Sloonei and Sabie both raising the issue of an apparent difference in Jack’s meta this game (despite arriving at different conclusions).

#193 Glorf changes his vote from Sabie to Jack.

#196 Sabie votes Jack.

#204 Creature claims Town’s lack of creativity in lynching Sabie is worrisome.

#205 With half an hour to go, Creature lists BWT, Jack, Sprityo and Lon Con as alternative lynch targets to Sabie.

#230 With less than 15 minutes before EOD, Mac declares that he will remain on Sabie.

#240 Sloonei asks Mac if he wasn’t voting Sabie, who he’d vote for.
At the EOD, we had a tie between BWT, Jack, Sabie and Sprityo. From all of this, I believe that it’s fair to conclude that Mac has to be Town. Sprityo is Town (from Colin’s assumed peek). I think Jack looks marginally better in light of the above. I have to admit, my Town read of Sloonei is looking less strong and that I, myself don’t look great from this. There are times there that I am starting to doubt my Town read of TSP and Creature (I think) comes off looking particularly bad. I need some help with Oreki/BWT. We’re they even here at all before Day 3? If they weren’t, I guess that disqualifies them from consideration too...
Sloonei asks Mac where he would vote if not Sabie with 15 min to go and is voting Sabie by sheeping Mac. How is this a good look for Sloonei?

Sabie is going all in on a Jack lynch? How is that a marginally good look?

If Mac was recruited after D1, how do Mac’s posts D1 lock him in as town? I agree he’s very unlikely to be the master.

So let’s lynch Sloonei and if he flips as the recruit, I’ll consider Mac cleared.

No, I didn’t say the Mac/Sloonei exchange was a good look for Sloonei. I still trust him though and am not (at this point) interested in voting for him.

Consider yourself fortunate for the ‘marginally good look’. Trust me, it was a struggle for me to get even that far

As at Day 1, Mac is locked in as Town. Of course, you are correct - he may’ve been subsequently converted but the exercise was to try and find Sabie’s Day 1 and 2 partner.

I don’t make deals like What you’re proposing and I’m still suspicious of you. I’ll wait and see what light dawn brings to this mess before deciding on my final vote but in case I’m not here, I thought it important to put my thoughts out there now.

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At the EOD, we had a tie between BWT, Jack, Sabie and Sprityo. From all of this, I believe that it’s fair to conclude that Mac has to be Town. Sprityo is Town (from Colin’s assumed peek). I think Jack looks marginally better in light of the above. I have to admit, my Town read of Sloonei is looking less strong and that I, myself don’t look great from this. There are times there that I am starting to doubt my Town read of TSP and Creature (I think) comes off looking particularly bad. I need some help with Oreki/BWT. We’re they even here at all before Day 3? If they weren’t, I guess that disqualifies them from consideration too...

From my understanding, Mafia started off with two members and converted one over the course of a couple of days and whom didn’t become a fully fledged member until yesterday. So, Night 1 & 2, it was only Sabie and the Master. According to the information on The Master’s role card, The Master can’t NK consecutive nights. Had Sabie been lynched Day 1, The Master (i.e. the Mafia team) would’ve been unable to submit the NK on Night 2. Sabie was from my reading (prior to Epi’s intervention) was taking pretty heavy fire Day 1 so it’s fairly safe to assume that The Master would’ve been especially keen to avoid having Sabie eliminated Day 1. Based on that, I think an analysis of whether any one of us actively tried to dissuade her lynching Day 1 might give us some valuable information.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:03 am
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:59 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:55 am
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:50 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:17 pm There are reasons to believe Glor is antialigned with Sloonei and Sabie.

There are reasons to think BWT is antialigned with Sloonei.
I don’t understand what this post is saying...?
There are reasons to think you aren’t a wolf with Sloonei it a wolf with Sabie.

There are reasons to think BWT isn’t a wolf with Sloonei.
Still don’t get it, sorry...
Wolves are like bad guys.

So, you’re saying that there are reasons to believe that Sloonei and I aren’t aligned? Would you care to elaborate on what they might be? I’m curious...

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:55 am
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:50 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:17 pm There are reasons to believe Glor is antialigned with Sloonei and Sabie.

There are reasons to think BWT is antialigned with Sloonei.
I don’t understand what this post is saying...?
There are reasons to think you aren’t a wolf with Sloonei it a wolf with Sabie.

There are reasons to think BWT isn’t a wolf with Sloonei.

Still don’t get it, sorry...

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:17 pm There are reasons to believe Glor is antialigned with Sloonei and Sabie.

There are reasons to think BWT is antialigned with Sloonei.

I don’t understand what this post is saying...?

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:26 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:24 am Day1

birdwithteeth11: Creature, Sloonei
Epignosis: Long Con
Glorfindel: birdwithteeth11
Jackofhearts2005: sabie12, Glorfindel
Sabie12:TonyStarkPrime, MacDougall
sprityo: ColinIsCool, Epignosis
Not voting presently: sprityo, Jackofhearts2005

Day 2
Creature: sprityo, glorf, sabie
Sabie: sloonei, mac, TSP, creature, colin
Sloonei: Jack, LongCon
Didn’t vote: BWT2

Day 3

Colin: sloonei, BWT2, jack
Creature: glorfindel
Jack: sprityo, Colin
Sprityo: TSP
Not voting: Mac, Creature

I find that somewhat curious - that Day 2 Jack is not voting for Sabie when she is lynched (as Mafia) whilst Sloonei is on her wagon and then Day 3, he jumps on Colin’s wagon to push it over the edge when his Day 2 lynch target is sitting on Colin too. Just my two cents (amateur wagonomics, I know).

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:26 pm
birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:17 pm Jack seems like he's gone through most of this game with a bit of a...carefree attitude to me with lots of jokes and humor.

Jack, what are some good reason(s) to not vote for you on Day 4 and why you aren't one of the two remaining baddies? Because Colin's role reveal makes me feel the least good about you now.
1) I would have killed Glor N1 if I was a wolf. I hate his truth meta. I think it’s against the spirit of the game. He’s unlynchable if town. I’m a good tap dancer. As a wolf, I don’t shoot people to take pressure off myself. I shoot people I can’t mislynch and wolf Jack can’t mislynch town Glor. Last time I tried, he turned what should have been a mislynch into a scum lynch with truth meta. I called for him to be modkilled. Threatened to replace out. Said he ruined the game for me. If I have a nk and Glor is town, he doesn’t last past night 1.

2) Sabie ended D1 and D2 voting for me. She put me a coin flip away from death D1. Look at her posts. We aren’t teamed.

3) Creature is an easy mislynch if you don’t know his meta. Wolf Jack lets him get mislynched instead of insisting Creature is 100% town and backing it up with post counts. Sloonei’s posts about Creature’s meta are incorrect or lies btw. There’s a significant difference between his scum game here and in Arrowverse.

4) When he voted for me, Colin said he’d switch to Sloonei if people were interested. He clearly did not red peek me.

I may choose to address this later when I feel less enraged...

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:26 pm When did I back off the Sloonei recruit theory? (Though wouldn't it be fantastic if there was just no recruit?)

And just what makes you think there would be no recruit? Sabie was sufficiently online to suggest that the Mafia team wouldn’t have missed an opportunity like that.

Clearly an analysis of Colin’s reads and how they changed (if they did) is required here.

I’m sorry, but FFS!!!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:03 pm

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] That is EXCELLENT! Can we have the EoD vote counts posted like this ALL the time please?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:58 pm
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:54 pm I hate the thought of losing this game to him if he is Mafia.
Honestly, Glor. Do you think you'd be alive on D3 if I was mafia?

I'm playing nice but if I was scum, I'd just sidestep the issue and make sure we didn't get a repeat of what happened in Potter.

That’s kind of a good point. There is no doubt in my mind that you wouldn’t string me up at the first opportunity you had.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:10 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:30 am Yeah I think jack sounds like a good vote right about now

[VOTE: jack] aubergine
So this is why Sprityo is voting me. Cool cool.

Hey Sprityo. Why would Sabie put me at a tie D1 when she can self preserve instead of we're wolves together? I've solo won twice this year as a wolf. I'm not D1 bus material.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:56 pm
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:45 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:25 pm
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:21 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:26 am So hmmm

Creature and tsp switched from colin to sabie bear end of day

So for either of them to be mafia theyd have to want to buss their own role blocker which seems entirely wasteful and not likely
Unless, of course we were looking at dual Mafia wagons there. If Creature were ‘the Master’, surely that would explain a bus on Sabie?
Glor, can you update us on your readlist?
Would not vote:
Sloonei

Don’t want to vote:
MacDougall
TonyStarkPrime
Oreki/birdwithteeth
ColinisCool

Could vote:
Crerature
Sprityo
JackofHearts

Incidentally, I feel icky about your “Would Sabie do ‘x’” defence and of anyone here, the difference in your posting today (the day the Townie converts to Mafia) is more stark compared to your previous day’s posts.
Defending who?

You.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:49 pm EBWOP: Convince me *TO* vote for jack. I’m not in favor of that option right now, but I haven’t completely ruled it out.

I’m 50/50 on it myself right now. My rationale is above. That, and I hate the thought of losing this game to him if he is Mafia.

I still kinda like the Creature option though. I’ll vote there for now unless someone can convince me otherwise.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:38 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:35 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:33 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:30 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:00 pm I do not think we should lynch Colin today. I think Jack is town. I’m working right now if you have questions on this I’ll try to answer before EOD.

Vote Sprityo 2019!
Nah don’t vote sprityo
Why not?
He’s playing as town as I’ve seen him imo. He was a lot more calculated in Retro and probably would have killed Mac N1 imho (sprit can weigh in on this of course). I just don’t see the argument for him.
I’ve definitely seen a more town version of sprityo than this. Why would he have killed mac?

Mac died?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:25 pm
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:21 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:26 am So hmmm

Creature and tsp switched from colin to sabie bear end of day

So for either of them to be mafia theyd have to want to buss their own role blocker which seems entirely wasteful and not likely
Unless, of course we were looking at dual Mafia wagons there. If Creature were ‘the Master’, surely that would explain a bus on Sabie?
Glor, can you update us on your readlist?

Would not vote:
Sloonei

Don’t want to vote:
MacDougall
TonyStarkPrime
Oreki/birdwithteeth
ColinisCool

Could vote:
Crerature
Sprityo
JackofHearts

Incidentally, I feel icky about your “Would Sabie do ‘x’” defence and of anyone here, the difference in your posting today (the day the Townie converts to Mafia) is more stark compared to your previous day’s posts.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:26 am So hmmm

Creature and tsp switched from colin to sabie bear end of day

So for either of them to be mafia theyd have to want to buss their own role blocker which seems entirely wasteful and not likely

Unless, of course we were looking at dual Mafia wagons there. If Creature were ‘the Master’, surely that would explain a bus on Sabie?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:56 pm sabie was also a roleblocker.

She was? Sorry, missed that

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] in answer to your question from earlier, it seems to me that the focus (for a large part of the game now) appears to have fallen on Sprityo and Creature and to a lesser extent on JackofHearts and ColinisCool. Of the four, I think I’m less concerned about Colin. From my understanding of Sabie’s role, she was reduced to the status of a goon after she enlisted her target N0. Given that she’d come under early suspicion (and kinda heavily at that) I’d expect that there is a distinct possibility that her partners may have planned prudently to jettison her if she’d become a liability and that they thought they could get some mileage from contributing to her lynching. If this were planned with her knowledge, I think it could have easily contributed to bussing and distancing from her.

For that reason and the fact that (to this point) I feel strong Town vibes from most everyone else, I’ll be looking for a Mafia or two out of either Creature, Sprityo and Jack.

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[mention]Sloonei[/mention] Thank you

May I please have a copy of yesterday’s final lynching poll?

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:32 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:08 pm Creature is talking like someone who was recruited imo.
And there it is.

Between you and Creature, I feel like I've seen a bigger change with Creature's behavior. So I would be more inclined to think he is the potential recruit over you.

Creature would (I think) be an odd choice as a recruit although the Mafia team wouldn’t have had anything to go on in terms of his play when they had to make their choice. Still, I think it’s unlikely. And I agree with you, I think you’ve been anything but useless since you’ve returned to us. I thought you’ve been most constructive in your comments and observations.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:16 pm sorry glorf, you have my condolences. this game doesn't matter

Thank you, my friend but the funeral was for the mother of someone that I’d worked with for rather a long time. Not emotionally shattering like my last funeral but sad nevertheless.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:44 pm The poll is up, but the deadline is manual. See the poll question.

Dragomir has been killed by the host. He was IAN.

Whilst it’s absolutely tragic that we’ve lost another of our number, I think we can count ourselves a little lucky at not having to deal with the potentially unfortunate impacts of this role...

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:35 pm
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:23 pm Sloonei: I’m more than happy to address your concerns my friend.

1. Words are important and I fear that you have (presumably inadvertently) misrepresented my remarks in that post of mine that you quoted. I said that what caught my attention was how yours and Sabie’s comments on Jack aligned, not that they were identical. By this, I meant simply that you both clearly found something inherently suspicious in his play worthy of calling out publicly.
My concern is that I did not intend to frame Jack's behavior as suspicion. What I meant in my original analysis of him was that his play aligns more closely with Town Jack, but that I wanted more from him in spite of this. I don't think it's damning by any means that you interpreted as suspicion in line with what sabie was saying, but it's something I've taken note of.

2. I bought into the suspicion on Sabie but openly admit that I bought into mot wanting to lynch her based on THAT post of Epi’s and her prestations about being an easy early game mislynch. Believing that my early suspicions of her were errant, I assumed that based on her comments about Jack and your comments about his play this game as sufficient reason to place my vote on him Day 1. I found (and still do) his posts to have an unusually high fluff content which is not what I recall having experienced from playing with him in the past. Yes, I’ll admit that Sabie flipping Mafia makes his Mafia alignment look a lot less likely but doesn’t necessarily rule it out entirely.

3. My question to Mac was (in part) a perhaps clumsy attempt at advancing the game (no, I’m not a player of Jay’s calibre and doubt that I ever will be but please give me credit for trying). Further, the scenario I presented to Mac was far from hypothetical. I think you’ll find that at the time I made that post, you and Creature were the joint lead wagons and the suspicions on Sabie had appeared to have gone cold (following Epi’s post, etc. etc...). I was concerned that our Mafia friends may have been attempting to build momentum to lynch you and wanted to feel Mac out to discern if he was likely to support what (at the time) was looking like a distinct possibility to me.

If I’ve failed to address your concerns, I’m happy to continue this conversation with you for however long it takes for you to see the truth. I’ve been honest in my response to you so I trust you will I understand that if I come off sounding either naive or clueless.
I object to none of this.

Who should we be looking at to begin this day?

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] I’m afraid that you’ve caught me at a somewhat awkward moment. I’m about to head into a funeral. Will address your question once it lets out.

EBWOP

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Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:35 pm @Glorfindel if I have a specific concern that you can address regarding your own interactions with sabie, it's found in this post here:

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:14 pm @Sloonei Yes, lots! I agree with most of it to be honest. I don’t know that I’d be quite so keen to pronounce Creature as Town (I’m not saying that I think otherwise, I just don’t think his posts necessarily scream Town as you seem to suggest there). I also find myself contemplating more deeply the prospective alignments of birdwithteeth, Long Con and Sprityo. What really caught my attention though was your comment in respect of JackofHearts and particularly how it aligns to the comments made by Sabie12. I am working under an assumption that you my friend are firm Town for me. I know it’s early in the game but the fact that your view on him matches Sabie’s and that he’s been undeniably ‘thin’ in both the quantity and depths of his posts so far this game are prompting me to consider my vote with more care.
sabie and I may have observed the same characteristic in Jack's play, but my early stance was more favorable toward Jack than sabie's, which was unequivocally negative. I believe my final remark on him was that "goofy jack is usually town jack, but i want to see more from him anyway." You seem to have interpreted this as a confirmation of sabie's allegation that Jack being goofy = Jack being scum, which it was not.

So I guess my question(s) would be: why did you interpret my read and sabie's identically? What was your read on Jack on Days 1 & 2, and how does he look now?

I'd also like to ask about this question you had for Mac yesterday:
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:46 amNo offence, Mac but your impact on the game so far has been undeniably considerable. Your presence has been pretty consistently frequent and your posts have been provocative. You’re making a lot of waves. That’d be just the kind of player any Mafia team would want to convert.

Anyway, let me ask you. Your vote is currently on Sabie. Come EoD, and it becomes a tie between Creature and Sloonei, what do you do? Take a stance on one of them (and if so, which one) or sit on your hands? I’m just curious.
Why were you presenting a hypothetical scenario in which sabie was not in the running to be lynched? She was every bit as much of a suspect, if not more so, than myself for sure, and maybe Creature as well. Why did you frame this particular question at this time?

@Sloonei: I’m more than happy to address your concerns my friend.

1. Words are important and I fear that you have (presumably inadvertently) misrepresented my remarks in that post of mine that you quoted. I said that what caught my attention was how yours and Sabie’s comments on Jack aligned, not that they were identical. By this, I meant simply that you both clearly found something inherently suspicious in his play worthy of calling out publicly.

2. I bought into the suspicion on Sabie but openly admit that I bought into not wanting to lynch her based on THAT post of Epi’s and her protestations about being an easy early game mislynch. Believing that my early suspicions of her were errant, I assumed that based on her comments about Jack and your comments about his play this game as sufficient reason to place my vote on him Day 1. I found (and still do) his posts to have an unusually high fluff content which is not what I recall having experienced from playing with him in the past when he was Town. Yes, I’ll admit that Sabie flipping Mafia makes his Mafia alignment look a lot less likely but doesn’t necessarily rule it out entirely.

3. My question to Mac was (in part) a perhaps clumsy attempt at advancing the game (no, I’m not a player of Jay’s calibre and doubt that I ever will be but please give me credit for trying). Further, the scenario I presented to Mac was far from hypothetical. I think you’ll find that at the time I made that post, you and Creature were the joint lead wagons and the suspicions on Sabie had appeared to have gone cold (following Epi’s post, etc. etc...). I was concerned that our Mafia friends may have been attempting to build momentum to lynch you and wanted to feel Mac out to discern if he was likely to support what (at the time) was looking like a distinct possibility to me.

If I’ve failed to address your concerns, I’m happy to continue this conversation with you for however long it takes for you to see the truth. I’ve been honest in my response to you so I trust you will I understand that if I come off sounding either naive or clueless.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:52 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:42 pm Sloonei could you stop highlighting stuff in lime green? It doesn’t show well at all in my screen settings.
sorry. will make a note of it. i forget that not everyone's on the black background.

I have no problem with it. If you are planning on changing it, perhaps trial a few colours to confirm that they are acceptable to everyone. Perhaps then, we can all use the same colour for highlighting and make the game better for everyone?

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Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:35 pm @Glorfindel if I have a specific concern that you can address regarding your own interactions with sabie, it's found in this post here:

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:14 pm @Sloonei Yes, lots! I agree with most of it to be honest. I don’t know that I’d be quite so keen to pronounce Creature as Town (I’m not saying that I think otherwise, I just don’t think his posts necessarily scream Town as you seem to suggest there). I also find myself contemplating more deeply the prospective alignments of birdwithteeth, Long Con and Sprityo. What really caught my attention though was your comment in respect of JackofHearts and particularly how it aligns to the comments made by Sabie12. I am working under an assumption that you my friend are firm Town for me. I know it’s early in the game but the fact that your view on him matches Sabie’s and that he’s been undeniably ‘thin’ in both the quantity and depths of his posts so far this game are prompting me to consider my vote with more care.
sabie and I may have observed the same characteristic in Jack's play, but my early stance was more favorable toward Jack than sabie's, which was unequivocally negative. I believe my final remark on him was that "goofy jack is usually town jack, but i want to see more from him anyway." You seem to have interpreted this as a confirmation of sabie's allegation that Jack being goofy = Jack being scum, which it was not.

So I guess my question(s) would be: why did you interpret my read and sabie's identically? What was your read on Jack on Days 1 & 2, and how does he look now?

I'd also like to ask about this question you had for Mac yesterday:
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:46 amNo offence, Mac but your impact on the game so far has been undeniably considerable. Your presence has been pretty consistently frequent and your posts have been provocative. You’re making a lot of waves. That’d be just the kind of player any Mafia team would want to convert.

Anyway, let me ask you. Your vote is currently on Sabie. Come EoD, and it becomes a tie between Creature and Sloonei, what do you do? Take a stance on one of them (and if so, which one) or sit on your hands? I’m just curious.
Why were you presenting a hypothetical scenario in which sabie was not in the running to be lynched? She was every bit as much of a suspect, if not more so, than myself for sure, and maybe Creature as well. Why did you frame this particular question at this time?

@Sloonei: I’m more than happy to address your concerns my friend.

1. Words are important and I fear that you have (presumably inadvertently) misrepresented my remarks in that post of mine that you quoted. I said that what caught my attention was how yours and Sabie’s comments on Jack aligned, not that they were identical. By this, I meant simply that you both clearly found something inherently suspicious in his play worthy of calling out publicly.

2. I bought into the suspicion on Sabie but openly admit that I bought into mot wanting to lynch her based on THAT post of Epi’s and her prestations about being an easy early game mislynch. Believing that my early suspicions of her were errant, I assumed that based on her comments about Jack and your comments about his play this game as sufficient reason to place my vote on him Day 1. I found (and still do) his posts to have an unusually high fluff content which is not what I recall having experienced from playing with him in the past. Yes, I’ll admit that Sabie flipping Mafia makes his Mafia alignment look a lot less likely but doesn’t necessarily rule it out entirely.

3. My question to Mac was (in part) a perhaps clumsy attempt at advancing the game (no, I’m not a player of Jay’s calibre and doubt that I ever will be but please give me credit for trying). Further, the scenario I presented to Mac was far from hypothetical. I think you’ll find that at the time I made that post, you and Creature were the joint lead wagons and the suspicions on Sabie had appeared to have gone cold (following Epi’s post, etc. etc...). I was concerned that our Mafia friends may have been attempting to build momentum to lynch you and wanted to feel Mac out to discern if he was likely to support what (at the time) was looking like a distinct possibility to me.

If I’ve failed to address your concerns, I’m happy to continue this conversation with you for however long it takes for you to see the truth. I’ve been honest in my response to you so I trust you will I understand that if I come off sounding either naive or clueless.

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Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:42 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:44 am So mac has given up on defending himself or making cases on people he accuses? Or does that not even need to happen anymore because in games I've played lately it seems like people don't have to bother to give reasons anymore. Every time I think mac is bad because he's given up and doesn't care I end up being wrong so I dont know.

As of right now I don't know for sure. I have such a hard time making reads day 1. The exchange between creature and epi was interesting but I thought that about creature and another player before and everyone was like oh that's not weird and they weren't bad so I don't know. Could they be teammates? Maybe but I feel like they wouldn't be that obvious about it.

I feel like Jack and spirityo are usually more quick to go around making accusations and getting people to talk but have been more cautious this day 1. BWT also was quick to say vote epi but didnt and hasnt said much other than that they didnt know if they checked in.

We have yet to hear from oreki colin and dragomir

I dont think I've ever played with TSP before so I dont have anything to go on. Sloonei and LC seem like they're usual selves at this point.
Glorfindel seems to be making an effort to follow Jimmy's guide and be like a super civ. Could be an effort to make sure they seem as civ as possible when maybe they aren't.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:58 pm I guess for me my suspicion is towards Jack and spirityo as when civ they usually are more aggressive in scum hunting and posting and this game they seem less so.

I'm sorry I'm not super familiar with glorfindel didnt mean any offense in the accusation just speculating on things. TSP is putting in effort to be involved and producing reads.
I'm not suspecting either of them at this time.
I dont remember playing with either of them before so by saying I dont have a lot to go on I just meant I dont know their playstyle. They're probably doing better than I am at this point.

Mac has gotten me mislynched day 1 before but he was civ just had the wrong idea about me.
I'd like to take a closer look at sabie's first two mentions of Glorfindel. My initial response was that these combined for a very good look for Glorf. Sabie made a pretty big stretch to drop some shade on him in the first post, but then completely walked that back in the follow-up. My impression was that sabie thought glorf could be a good target to frame as a suspect, but that idea was met with backlash and she had to change course. In this scenario, Glorfindel would be a civilian bystander, and sabie's handling of him would be something like a slip. Her initial suspicion was phony and she couldn't back it up, so she hastily got rid of it.

I still feel like this is probably the case, but it's not the only possibility here. Maybe the initial post was meant as a distancing tactic between sabie and glorf. After sitting on it, sabie wasn't comfortable with the position she'd put herself in (or maybe Glorfindel disapproved), and that was what prompted the change of course.

Either way, I feel like this an important development in Sabie's posts. I'm not entirely sure what to make of it myself and want to hear what others have to say.

Well, my friend, if you want my opinion on this, I can assure you that your suspicion is unfounded. Talk with me. Ask me stuff. You know my reputation for telling the truth. I will not lie to you.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:16 am Wild Wasteland tinfoil mode engaged. You are invited to come along

I’m not saying that your theory is beyond the realm of possibility but that’s one train I think I’ll refrain from jumping aboard for now, Colin. Realistically, it’s rather likely it will be a decision that will be taken out of my hands before very long.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:02 am I’m 100% serious btw. He tried saving sabie and nestled her neatly into some green color but when it came down to it he performed the bus

Colin, seriously, do you REALLY believe that Sloonei could be THAT unsophisticated in his play here? Because I sure as hell don’t!

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