The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:57 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:42 am The only question I have is whether JPIC or Sprityo is more scummy
Answer = both.

Good job mac you’re very good at mafia

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:20 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:18 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:17 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:03 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:53 am sprityo, are you disallowed from roleclaiming?
kind of, it's more like it's better if i didn't. it's more like it would hint to my role flavor and I don't want that being a possibility
would you rather be flipped?
I'd rather not be dead
then you should claim because if you don’t you will die. that’s the reality of it

If i feel like i'm really in danger, I will. But there's still 30 something hours left in the day. so i'll get back to you on it

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:17 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:03 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:53 am sprityo, are you disallowed from roleclaiming?
kind of, it's more like it's better if i didn't. it's more like it would hint to my role flavor and I don't want that being a possibility
would you rather be flipped?

I'd rather not be dead

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] Where you at pal?

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:22 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:03 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:53 am sprityo, are you disallowed from roleclaiming?
kind of, it's more like it's better if i didn't. it's more like it would hint to my role flavor and I don't want that being a possibility
lol fuck this. I am flipping you like a pancake today. I am done with scummy players hiding behind soupkill paranoia as a reason to not claim.

do it

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:14 am keep the claims coming guise, I'm sure the Rogue doesn't have soup kills

this^

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:13 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:07 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:16 am I can't for the life of me understand how Sprityo is voting outside Nook/JPIC given he has two votes to use and from his perspective it's at minimum guaranteed to hit at least one mafia. At least Nook is voting Sprityo.

I also don't understand why the mafia aren't pushing on Nanook for similar reasons.

It feels like Nook/Sprityo is a difference check and JPIC is just outed to me.

Going to bed now.
I certainly could. But I'll get there when i get there. When the town is full of "everyone is towncleared" what's the point of following the easy route? I have my method to my madness and i'll vote there if and when i want to.
Vote wherever you want, say whatever you want. You are lockscum and all votes and insights coming from you are from a scum perspective

just because you say it a bunch doesnt make it less false and bad on you

[mention]Oddmerta[/mention] what's your beef with spf?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:16 am I can't for the life of me understand how Sprityo is voting outside Nook/JPIC given he has two votes to use and from his perspective it's at minimum guaranteed to hit at least one mafia. At least Nook is voting Sprityo.

I also don't understand why the mafia aren't pushing on Nanook for similar reasons.

It feels like Nook/Sprityo is a difference check and JPIC is just outed to me.

Going to bed now.

I certainly could. But I'll get there when i get there. When the town is full of "everyone is towncleared" what's the point of following the easy route? I have my method to my madness and i'll vote there if and when i want to.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:53 am sprityo, are you disallowed from roleclaiming?

kind of, it's more like it's better if i didn't. it's more like it would hint to my role flavor and I don't want that being a possibility

Anyone got something for me? I'll check back in a little bit

And yes, I do think mac is town, but I also don't think anyone is truly town without the concrete evidence.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:12 am JPIC isn't going anywhere if he is a fake claiming wolf. He's not going to get skipped for the NK a couple times and have the town just forget to kill him. I really think it is just an obvious mistake to rush into chopping him when there is plenty of POE and plenty of wolves.

This is....actually not a bad point. I am saving voting for JPIC only because I'm waiting on the host to confirm that he told mac what he did. But if JPIC isn't dead tomorrow or the next day there's no way we don't lynch him. We can focus energy elsewhere

[VOTE: Oddmerta, Tutuu] aubergine

Going to resume my vote from yesterday on Tutuu and start my new one.

I'm starting to back off of Alison now. But i still do not trust her.

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:12 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:11 am
Oddmerta wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:00 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:51 am
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 5:40 pm Mac claims to be a master of "first post reads." His first post is crafted specifically to meet his own first post townie standards and therefore is probably just NAI.
Tim is lock town because he said "claims" instead of "is". Not pandering to me when he very easily could = lock town. Tim, you have been elevated. You are now Simeon, the Incredible Talking Half Banana Half Orangutan. Your job is to try not to get night killed or misyeeted while I townshield you and drag you to endgame somehow.
Are you sure you locktown this guy? Might be a bit early for that
Why not?
Because I'm scumreading him pretty hard

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:02 pm This is why nutella is scum, they never challemged any of the votes against them. Always going for people not on their wagon.

At 1 vote is where you start challenging but they let it get all the way up to 11 votes. As town surely you would do something about the people voting for you, 3 votes, 5 votes, 8 votes, 10 votes. It's not a runaway wagon at all, it's an unchallenged one

Stinky. The guy who avoided suspicion all day one has two posts a relative content. There are some questions to other players mixed in but nothing that put's forward town solving. Oddmerta suspected Tim all day, then decided he wanted to join the majority and suspect nutella. This stinks. Now for him to suddenly be all up in my business looks even worse for him. He's taking the current situation and running with it. This looks worse than any of the other two player's ive ISOd so far.

This is the ideal position of a wolf. Be low, be read as towny enough, and push for what looks to be an easy mislynch.

Oddmerta has irked my suspicion

I will no proceed to iso him

Hello ladies and gentlemen of the present. I am here

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:58 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:52 am maybe sprit/jpic is just mafia + rogue and they both went for the obvious target N1 and then hero nanook saved mac or something
Spirit is hard scumming right now, feels like he is deliberately ignoring you. What he should be doing is clearing up what he was doing at Macs

hey smart guy

if im not responding to posts in the current, and responding to old posts. Maybe im catching up?

Wild Right?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:42 am Sprityo why do you take the way I suspect you so personally? You're just one random person in a POE of 7 and you're only there because I saw no Nutella spew. It was Hally that further narrowed the POE to you, Nook and JPIC. I am not scumreading you because you're you. It's actually become draining to ever have to suspect you because of how personal you take it and how much you insult my character when I do.

I don't mean to get you down mac.

But any attack on me is a personal attack

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:24 am sprityo what's your role, who did you visit if any and what did you do to them

Like i said, I visited mac. But i cannot tell you my role

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:41 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 11:41 pm If this is tutu’s scum game I’m super impressed tbh

It’s also hilarious
You shouldn't be - as sprityo pointed out, 35 posts out of 25000000 are the actual game solving posts and the reads look pretty bad.

not gonna go over her today, obviously.

Thank you Ted

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:28 am Mac got post capped by Sprit, and that isn't necessarily w!Sprit. That's my guess.

I'm sorry to inform you that no I did not. Mac is still a town read for me. No matter how flip floppy, tin foily, and wild his reads and reasonings get sometimes....

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:44 am I have a role
I am banned from claiming anything about it
Sloonei does not want town PR investigatives infodumping in this game
JPIC is outed mafia

this is great and all. How do we know youre not lying? [mention]Sloonei[/mention] ?

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:15 am jpic and sprit if you refuse to claim i will just yeet you both with no reservations at which point your roles will be public knowledge upon your flips, so it’s probably advisable to just claim them now if you’re town

we yeeted scum D1 and nobody died over night. we can very likely yeet another scum today from within my pool of three. there’s no reason to be coy because you’ll just die if you don’t claim

Honestly I would love to see it

seeing as how you and tutuu goofed off the majority of day one and have no impact other than "oh theyre just towny because theyre silly and sincere"

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:32 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:30 am just iso'd spirit and he had zero direct interactions with nutella, lol. i also could not find a single post where nutella mentioned spirit's name

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:00 pm
Spoiler: show
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:42 am my ideal wagons are spf vs nutella vs juliets but its fine if u guys dont wanna wagon spf d1 i dont wanna insist

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:46 am cant we like just vig JPIC or something (i still think he's town) instead of wasting a day of wagoning him idk

surely town has KP in a 22 player game so

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:57 am u guys should know that spf is amazing as wolf. she is amazing as town too as proven by her champs games but on em she has like a 54% winrate as mafia last time i checked (which at least imo is huge, i have like 25% winrate as mafia, its rly hard to wolf in those setups) and i remember skimming a few of her games once and like, her tone, her emotions, everything, its all there. like if she is a wolf she wouldnt just roll over and die, just saying!

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:04 am i think not wagoning JPC for 1 day to see if he gets vigged or poisoned or dayvigged has merits but dont wanna insist any more

at least nutella and spf and whoever else are gonna defend themselves and hvae reactions and talk and stuff

while JPIC wont talk, so using our yeet on him is like as if ... like u know ... waste opportuntity to make reads / day play, and ujst convert the yeet into a mechnical vig

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:11 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:10 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:08 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:05 am People say I have done scummy stuff when this is literally what I do as town
can you do something more?

can u empathize with other ppl who find it frustrating how much effort they're putting, while u dont put as much effort and u expect for ppl to correctly townread u?
I am very empathetic to the town cause. I’ve just been trying to have fun
and you made me laugh a lot and i appreciate it

but like multiple ppl have expressed that its not fun anymore, its like u repeat a joke for the 100th time and its not as funny as when u said it on the first time u know?

can u please try making a few reads?

what do u think about nutella and spf?
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:18 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:16 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:15 am Your opener wasn't NAI by my standards. It felt performative.
I was going to make that post regardless of alignment
what are your reads on nutella and spf

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:25 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:33 am jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:33 am spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:45 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:37 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:33 am spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum
I have seen nothing from SPF recently that leaves me concerned. Why are you reading SPF as scum?
if i had a dayvig and i shot jpic rn and he flipped town would u still not scumread spf

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:52 am well that was a while ago i decided to call u scum now cuz idk. i think jpic is town and u want my silly friend jpic dead and he town so maybe u mafia or somehging

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:30 am [VOTE: timsup2nothing] aubergine

like. we should have more than 1 wagon

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:38 am [VOTE: nutella] aubergine someone else push for a cw if u want

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:03 pm Nut-chan can u leave a legacy readslist on all players no need for explanations just rank their nanes
So this whole interaction Tutuu has with JPIC, Nutella, and SPF really rubs me the wrong way.

Why is JPIC suddenly not mafia and suddenly town? He wasn't ever in trouble of getting lynched either as far as i can tell. then we have the transition of them trying to make Tim a counter wagon????
1. I dont think that wouldve ever happened.
2. Why suddenly do we need a counter wagon?

There has to be something alignment indicative within these posts. The way I see it is:

-JPIC is Town and trying to be pocketed by Tutuu for whatever reason
-SPF is Town or Mafia and just happens to be the target for that switch
-Nutella is Mafia with Tutuu and she does a halfhearted Counterwagon but doesnt want to try and get all of the people off of the huge wagon now formed. If it failed it would of course look bad. So she resign to "you should totally legacy read, sucks to be you"
-Nutella is Town and Tutuu is Mafia. Tutuu of course knows this and is trying to buy credit with the counter wagon attempt. "Aw man, I knew she was town" type of situation.

I dont think the last one is likely but I won't discount it.
this post would be notable if spirit actually took a stance on any of the possibilities instead of shrugging his shoulders
i take this back - nutella did mention sprit a number of times, i was just reading his name as "spirit" lol

oh, i see.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:30 am just iso'd spirit and he had zero direct interactions with nutella, lol. i also could not find a single post where nutella mentioned spirit's name

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:00 pm
Spoiler: show
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:42 am my ideal wagons are spf vs nutella vs juliets but its fine if u guys dont wanna wagon spf d1 i dont wanna insist

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:46 am cant we like just vig JPIC or something (i still think he's town) instead of wasting a day of wagoning him idk

surely town has KP in a 22 player game so

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:57 am u guys should know that spf is amazing as wolf. she is amazing as town too as proven by her champs games but on em she has like a 54% winrate as mafia last time i checked (which at least imo is huge, i have like 25% winrate as mafia, its rly hard to wolf in those setups) and i remember skimming a few of her games once and like, her tone, her emotions, everything, its all there. like if she is a wolf she wouldnt just roll over and die, just saying!

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:04 am i think not wagoning JPC for 1 day to see if he gets vigged or poisoned or dayvigged has merits but dont wanna insist any more

at least nutella and spf and whoever else are gonna defend themselves and hvae reactions and talk and stuff

while JPIC wont talk, so using our yeet on him is like as if ... like u know ... waste opportuntity to make reads / day play, and ujst convert the yeet into a mechnical vig

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:11 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:10 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:08 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:05 am People say I have done scummy stuff when this is literally what I do as town
can you do something more?

can u empathize with other ppl who find it frustrating how much effort they're putting, while u dont put as much effort and u expect for ppl to correctly townread u?
I am very empathetic to the town cause. I’ve just been trying to have fun
and you made me laugh a lot and i appreciate it

but like multiple ppl have expressed that its not fun anymore, its like u repeat a joke for the 100th time and its not as funny as when u said it on the first time u know?

can u please try making a few reads?

what do u think about nutella and spf?
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:18 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:16 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:15 am Your opener wasn't NAI by my standards. It felt performative.
I was going to make that post regardless of alignment
what are your reads on nutella and spf

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:25 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:33 am jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:33 am spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:45 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:37 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:33 am spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum
I have seen nothing from SPF recently that leaves me concerned. Why are you reading SPF as scum?
if i had a dayvig and i shot jpic rn and he flipped town would u still not scumread spf

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:52 am well that was a while ago i decided to call u scum now cuz idk. i think jpic is town and u want my silly friend jpic dead and he town so maybe u mafia or somehging

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:30 am [VOTE: timsup2nothing] aubergine

like. we should have more than 1 wagon

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:38 am [VOTE: nutella] aubergine someone else push for a cw if u want

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:03 pm Nut-chan can u leave a legacy readslist on all players no need for explanations just rank their nanes
So this whole interaction Tutuu has with JPIC, Nutella, and SPF really rubs me the wrong way.

Why is JPIC suddenly not mafia and suddenly town? He wasn't ever in trouble of getting lynched either as far as i can tell. then we have the transition of them trying to make Tim a counter wagon????
1. I dont think that wouldve ever happened.
2. Why suddenly do we need a counter wagon?

There has to be something alignment indicative within these posts. The way I see it is:

-JPIC is Town and trying to be pocketed by Tutuu for whatever reason
-SPF is Town or Mafia and just happens to be the target for that switch
-Nutella is Mafia with Tutuu and she does a halfhearted Counterwagon but doesnt want to try and get all of the people off of the huge wagon now formed. If it failed it would of course look bad. So she resign to "you should totally legacy read, sucks to be you"
-Nutella is Town and Tutuu is Mafia. Tutuu of course knows this and is trying to buy credit with the counter wagon attempt. "Aw man, I knew she was town" type of situation.

I dont think the last one is likely but I won't discount it.
this post would be notable if spirit actually took a stance on any of the possibilities instead of shrugging his shoulders

that's the exact reason mac claimed wilgy is super town.

huh

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 11:54 pm Bloc 1

Alison
Colin
Dyachei
Juliets
Long Con
Tim
Master Radishes

Bloc 2

Hally
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
Oddmerta
Samu
Herm
Sprityo

Bloc 3

SPF
Mac
Tedxtr
Tutuu
JPIC
Nook
Poison Chan

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 11:17 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 11:15 pm i will wait to see what sprit and jpic claim
If it helps pre-empt you. I townshielded JPIC a bit and townread him and I probably tilted Sprityo into putting a kill on me.

Like if you are doing what I think you are doing, it's Sprityo lol.

I did visit mac, but he'll be upset to know that I i couldn't kill him if i wanted to

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:41 pm Like this was a terrible result for mafia. So many town coalesced onto Nutella and have cleared themselves off the way they did it. Wilgy is among them.

Mac, sometimes how shortsighted you are gives me a chuckle

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:12 pm The following players are compatible with Nutella. Everyone else is incompatible. They are in order of compatibility from least to most. The bolded are also independently scummy. The bolded red are independently scummy and also scumread by me.

JPIC
Poison Chan
Radishes
Nook
Herm
Sprityo
Tim

Coming out to bat right as I go to sleep mac? I had better not wake up to 5 votes and 10 pages of being blasted. I’d love to not be set off so early in the morning.

Spoiler: show

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:42 am my ideal wagons are spf vs nutella vs juliets but its fine if u guys dont wanna wagon spf d1 i dont wanna insist

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:46 am cant we like just vig JPIC or something (i still think he's town) instead of wasting a day of wagoning him idk

surely town has KP in a 22 player game so

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:57 am u guys should know that spf is amazing as wolf. she is amazing as town too as proven by her champs games but on em she has like a 54% winrate as mafia last time i checked (which at least imo is huge, i have like 25% winrate as mafia, its rly hard to wolf in those setups) and i remember skimming a few of her games once and like, her tone, her emotions, everything, its all there. like if she is a wolf she wouldnt just roll over and die, just saying!

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:04 am i think not wagoning JPC for 1 day to see if he gets vigged or poisoned or dayvigged has merits but dont wanna insist any more

at least nutella and spf and whoever else are gonna defend themselves and hvae reactions and talk and stuff

while JPIC wont talk, so using our yeet on him is like as if ... like u know ... waste opportuntity to make reads / day play, and ujst convert the yeet into a mechnical vig

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:11 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:10 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:08 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:05 am People say I have done scummy stuff when this is literally what I do as town
can you do something more?

can u empathize with other ppl who find it frustrating how much effort they're putting, while u dont put as much effort and u expect for ppl to correctly townread u?
I am very empathetic to the town cause. I’ve just been trying to have fun
and you made me laugh a lot and i appreciate it

but like multiple ppl have expressed that its not fun anymore, its like u repeat a joke for the 100th time and its not as funny as when u said it on the first time u know?

can u please try making a few reads?

what do u think about nutella and spf?

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:18 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:16 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:15 am Your opener wasn't NAI by my standards. It felt performative.
I was going to make that post regardless of alignment
what are your reads on nutella and spf

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:25 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:33 am jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:33 am spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:45 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:37 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:33 am spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum
I have seen nothing from SPF recently that leaves me concerned. Why are you reading SPF as scum?
if i had a dayvig and i shot jpic rn and he flipped town would u still not scumread spf

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:52 am well that was a while ago i decided to call u scum now cuz idk. i think jpic is town and u want my silly friend jpic dead and he town so maybe u mafia or somehging

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:30 am [VOTE: timsup2nothing] aubergine

like. we should have more than 1 wagon

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:38 am [VOTE: nutella] aubergine someone else push for a cw if u want

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:03 pm Nut-chan can u leave a legacy readslist on all players no need for explanations just rank their nanes

So this whole interaction Tutuu has with JPIC, Nutella, and SPF really rubs me the wrong way.

Why is JPIC suddenly not mafia and suddenly town? He wasn't ever in trouble of getting lynched either as far as i can tell. then we have the transition of them trying to make Tim a counter wagon????
1. I dont think that wouldve ever happened.
2. Why suddenly do we need a counter wagon?

There has to be something alignment indicative within these posts. The way I see it is:

-JPIC is Town and trying to be pocketed by Tutuu for whatever reason
-SPF is Town or Mafia and just happens to be the target for that switch
-Nutella is Mafia with Tutuu and she does a halfhearted Counterwagon but doesnt want to try and get all of the people off of the huge wagon now formed. If it failed it would of course look bad. So she resign to "you should totally legacy read, sucks to be you"
-Nutella is Town and Tutuu is Mafia. Tutuu of course knows this and is trying to buy credit with the counter wagon attempt. "Aw man, I knew she was town" type of situation.

I dont think the last one is likely but I won't discount it.

[mention]tutuu[/mention] Good deflection though. Everyone enjoys stories of maniacal villains

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:35 pm spirit i appreciate the effort but i feel like a lot of your points against tutuu are just personality tells and not alignment tells

perhaps, but the way you answer means you believe me somewhat. right? the possibility is there for you?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:31 pm Sprit you literally just described tutu’s play style

excellent, that means im right and tutuu is mafia

Also being cute doesn't mean you're not mafia. Except Mac, mac is always cute and never mafia

No one wishes to follow me on Alison, so I will move to [VOTE: Tutuu] aubergine

I stand by my opinion of alison still, but I have my own reasons for doing this at the moment.

Every time Tutuu has made a claim about someone's alignment without evidence or voted someone for no reason (24)

Spoiler: show

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 6:01 pm Town:
Tutuu
MacDougall
Dizzy

I am the Mafia prodigy of the new Millenia. I am here as a guide for all the champs players. They need to learn the lessons I am about to give, so that they can unlock their hidden potentials and let it all out in the finals!

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:48 am Town
Tutuu
Oddmerta
MacDougall

Dyachei
Hally
Nutella

Rest

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:06 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:59 am Mac, those that entered talking about RadioHead are scum and ted? Why?
My first thought was DrWilgy is town for actually paying attention to Mac's reads

Second thought was DrWilgy is mafia for
.. actually paying attention to Mac's reads

Im conclusion DrWilgy is town or mafia or 3p imo

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:10 am Awww. Damn Joseph is just obvious Innocent Child imo. Holy heck how can someome be so towny so fast? I legit couldnt believe it

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:30 am Town
Tutuu
MacDougall
OddMerta
MasterRadishes (sheeping Mac)

Towny (attempt to toneread, low confidence)
Dyachei
Hally
Nutella

Re: Wilgy: I dunno. They could be town who disagrees with me or something, they could be mafia, like, it would be reaching too thin if I try to force a read here just cuz u ask me MacDougall-sama. Sorry!

I wanted to gut townread Dizzy and Tim too but I think it's cuz I like them and I wanna reach a bit more than I should. It's like, a bias that u have to keep in mind. Not blindly townread ur friends. (Obviously not to say the ppl I chose to gut townread aren't my friends! I just meant there is a bit more juice on there, imo!)

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:39 am
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:37 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:33 am So when I looked at this game the first time I realised that we actually need to hunt this rogue because the setup is listed as town vs. mafia vs. rogue and Sloonei wouldn't have written it that way if there was:

a) more than one independent
b) the independent can win with the other alignments

Now Wilgy is clearly just memeing (like to 99%) but if we DO in fact catch a rogue or someone hard claims 3p we need to just turbo them.
idk i kinda have the opposite immediate take, that we let them townside as long as possible lmao but that's like a game philosophy sort of question and i'm usually wrong about that kind of thing so probably don't listen to me
Nutella-chan definitely town, ppl who arent townreading her are missing out on a free read accuracy record boost!

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:42 am Oddmerta so ridiculously innocent and town too lol. It just feels so wonderful to play a game of decepion with ppl who just bleed purity and honesty

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:33 am Mafia: JustPlayingItCool, Fresh Prince

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:56 am tutuu
macdougall
oddmerta

nutella
alison
dyachei
dyslexicon
JPIC
poison chan
master radishes (sheeping mac)

hally
spf

drwilgy
herm

fallen prince
tedxtr

(void)
colin
long con
nanook
samusamu
spirityo
timsup2nothing

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:36 am throwing away early gut townreads. only care about logic and no feelings, just like ben shapiro.

townreads:

tutuu
macdougall
oddmerta
alison
JPIC
master radishes
nanook
poison chan
tedxtr
timsup2nothin

not townreads:

nutella
hally
dyslexicon
dyachei
staypositivefriend
drwilgy
colin
herm
long con
samu samu
spirityo
fallen prince

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:01 am [VOTE: spirityo] aubergine

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:07 pm alright

town:
tutuu
mac
odd
alison
hally
JPIC
poison
tedxtr

towny:
drwilgy
dizzy
master radishes
nanook
timsup2nothing

dunno:
colin
dyachei
fallen prince
herm
long con
nutella
samusamu
spirityo
spf

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:42 pm 1. Alison - carrot cake icecream
2. ColinIsCool - banana icecream with strawberry syrup
3. DrWilgy - chocolate chip cookie icecream
4. dyachei - melon icecream with a mint sprig
5. Dyslexicon - caramel icecream with salt and chocolate syrup
6. Fallen Prince - chocolate icecream with caramel syrup
7. Hally - blackberry icecream with fresh blackberries on top
8. Herm - lavender icecream
9. Justplayingitcool - coffee icecream
10. Long Con - cherry iceream
11. MacDougall - blue heaven icecream
12. Master Radishes - moon mist icecream
13. NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - raspberry icecream mixed with vanilla
14. nutella - pistachio icecream
15. Oddmerta - neapolitan icecream
16. Poison Chan - bubblegum icecream (teal and pink colored)
17. Samusamu - vanilla icecream with white chocolate chunks
18. sprityo - blue moon icecream
19. staypositivefriend - starwberry icecream with strawberry syrup
20. tedxtr - coconut milk icecream
21. Timsup2nothin - mango icecream with pineapple syrup
22. tutuu - tutti frutti icecream

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:23 am people that i can see being wolves:

2. ColinIsCool
4. dyachei
5. Dyslexicon
6. juliets
8. Herm
10. Long Con
14. nutella
17. Samusamu
19. staypositivefriend
21. Timsup2nothin

in the sense that i dont (want to) proactively scumread these people. i dont wanna case them or justify my scumreads on them (if possible)

everyone is like a mixed bag, everyone has towny stuff going for them, but like

i just dont find the "thing" that i find in other ppl that make me go like "no way this person is town"

if i were to rank these from most towny (for me) to least towny (for me) it would be:

(excluding long con)
21. Timsup2nothin
4. dyachei
5. Dyslexicon
2. ColinIsCool
8. Herm
6. juliets
17. Samusamu
19. staypositivefriend + 14. nutella (same tier)

again if possible please dont ask me to justify these, i am acknowledging that everyone has towny stuff going for them, this is just my subjective interpretation on the ppl who have towntold the least in my perception

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:42 am my ideal wagons are spf vs nutella vs juliets but its fine if u guys dont wanna wagon spf d1 i dont wanna insist

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:46 am cant we like just vig JPIC or something (i still think he's town) instead of wasting a day of wagoning him idk

surely town has KP in a 22 player game so

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:33 am jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:33 am spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:08 am [VOTE: nutella-chan] aubergine

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:42 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:08 am tutuu I can probably go more in-depth with mindset analysis if that wasn't enough, let me know and I can elaborate
I think jpic is town too i asked u to towncase him for others not for me

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:30 am [VOTE: timsup2nothing] aubergine

like. we should have more than 1 wagon

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:38 am [VOTE: nutella] aubergine someone else push for a cw if u want

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:43 am oddomerta actually kinda dropped off he was ridiculously obv town for me early d1 but yeah he kinda like what ... its like he got stunned or somethign. wouldnt bet the game on him being town anymore

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:19 pm Drwilgy mafia
Sprityo mafia

Every time Tutuu has made a an alignment claim about someone but with context (13)

Spoiler: show

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 5:34 pm First dumbass read of the game (trust me there are plenty more coming)

I think MacDougall is town because he is acting like he doesnt care (can i slank plz) and yet he voted "Yes" on the poll if he read the rules and I wanna believe that he read them cuz otherwise wouldnt it have been funnier to vote "No"

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:39 am
Oddmerta wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:20 am @Hally what do tou think of a world where timsup2nothing amd staypositivefriend are wolves and are using you as a cover of sorts?
Town

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:42 am Oddmerta so ridiculously innocent and town too lol. It just feels so wonderful to play a game of decepion with ppl who just bleed purity and honesty

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:04 am i wanted to distance from my scum buddy JPIC by starting a wagon on them, but as soon as mac dougall joined me i swiftly changed my vote to fallen prince to avoid putting too much pressure on my buddy

but its too late, i am now cornered into hard bussing JPIC. my only saving grace is to make this WIFOM post and pretend im being sarcastic when i am in fact telling the truth about whats going on!

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:03 am i wish to townread tim for voting oddmerta who i think is obv town and multiple ppl agree is obv town

also i realize im spreading myself so thin that chances are (as usual) ive townread a bunch of wolves so at the end it doesnt matter. i shouldnt feel down about it. mafia is just to have fun

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:58 am multiple people agree oddmerta is obvious town

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 11:12 pm Hello everyone, how do I change my avatar on this site?
macdougall believes hes obv town for posting this itt and not in wolf chat

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:24 am timsup2nothing first post was trying to set the conditions for everyone else's reads and there was the whole "outed scum" bit in day 0 that looked like double bluffing to me
spf townreads him for the detailed / effort put in this read, despite it being impossible to figure out what he meant

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:00 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:51 am
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 5:40 pm Mac claims to be a master of "first post reads." His first post is crafted specifically to meet his own first post townie standards and therefore is probably just NAI.
Tim is lock town because he said "claims" instead of "is". Not pandering to me when he very easily could = lock town. Tim, you have been elevated. You are now Simeon, the Incredible Talking Half Banana Half Orangutan. Your job is to try not to get night killed or misyeeted while I townshield you and drag you to endgame somehow.
Are you sure you locktown this guy? Might be a bit early for that
i level 1 townread him cuz it just felt like a townie trying to be helpful idk

alison also town locked him dunno the reasons

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:11 am not to sound like a broken record and by no means i insist ppl to listen to my reads cuz they dont tend to be that good but

pretty confident on ted being town here. apart from the stuff ive said already, like, look at his change of emotions, look at how he's acting now, trying to work together and stuff. like.

regardless he's pretty town

im posting this cuz paranoid u guys will cfd him or something and then i'd regret not defending him

ill put it on my to-do list to towncase him later if he's still being scumread i guess

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:54 am im not scumeading any of the active posters. makes me feel weird like what am i supposed to think, that all scum are literally afk or we are misclearing ppl but if so who

mafia hard

tbh like .. yeah. mafia hard. i have no expectations im gonna win. and i shouldnt. mafia is just to socialize with friends thats all

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:25 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:24 am i know that these are subjective/gut reads, but how did i end up at the bottom of your tier with nutella? are there any specific reasons?
i am not perceiving any towntells coming from you (which if ur town is not necessarily ur fault!)

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:04 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:02 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:00 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:37 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:34 pm I think you're probably just missing a decent amount of context on ted and assume you didn't read the chunk of the thread where he towncleared himself. I had been leaning scum on him earlier and your reasons are just outdated
I've read every post you're referring to. He didn't townclear himself. You are making this up. Also you were just part of a town team that lost to scum Tedxtr so to be this complacent about his slot is another point against you. You'd be paranoid as fuck about him if you were town.
Don't think ted is cleared but I have him as town. I was part of that team too.
I have yet to have anyone reasonably explain why Ted was being scummy on purpose then got upset for being called scum. Don't even think Ted himself has attempted to explain it. So until then I'm really not rating any Ted townreads.
he lied about playing scummy on purpose, he said that he did because he wanted to look smart

flip this: can you explain why he, as scum, faked himself being upset when he has no apparent logical reason to

scum do fake being upset for townreads sure, but dont scum like being logical to make sure they do indeed receive the townread

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:01 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:58 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:53 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:52 am What makes you think they have opposite alignments?
this wasnt implied by my post this is ur own thought not mine

i think jpic town and spf scum that all
Okay sure but why is SPF scum
cuz im paranoid of spf's scum game and i dont see her being obv town and i dont find myself nodding along as im reading her posts as i did in her 2 champs games and from my perception shes making simple reads and simple posts and idk maybe im expecting the impossible and im unfair but i think she mafia and kills ppl at night

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:35 am
Samusamu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:34 am
Samusamu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:13 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:07 am
Samusamu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:47 pm I think i just said it, i cant see mac scumbuddy with the rest of my poe, so or he is deepwolf, really early to contemplate, or he is rogue, for me is simple to analize, but still antitown. Dont see plus inconvenient pointing that.

If i were mafia i would never do a post like that, the way for a rogue to win is balancing forces between town and mafia, being read as a town and lynching mafia by day and killing towns at night the first few days.

I wouldn't be interested in pointing out a rogue reading, I'd rather leave him alone and let him take care of killing the strongest towns. But I try to go as an avocado.

Are u being that reactive cause did I specifically mention the word rogue or because of what you said in your post #803?
Okay fine Samu is town, Mac is right.
Pero respondeme!!!!

Me pone de los nervios cuando me hacen eso
Ups...

But answer me!!!

It gets on my nerves when someone do that to me
Okay fine Samu is town, Alison is right.

This post gets it's own spoiler because we're gonna talk about it

Spoiler: show

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:07 am reads i am not wrong about

ALISON is playing her hearts out. she is coming from a game in which she felt as if tho part of the reason she lost was cuz she had no time to spent posting itt, so note how much effort she is putting in thread camping 24/7. she wants to make up for it and prove herself, and disregarding that just read her posts

sprityo please consider I have considered and this is just an appeal to emotion. I get playing your heart out, we all want to win. But that doesn't make someone town

MACDOUGALL is not as consistently obvtown as alison, looks like he is more turbulent, but his nitro speed rush thing on day was enough to lock town and never reevaluate Playing fast and loose is enough to be town? just saying something and sticking to your guns is 90% of your criteria for being town?

TEDXTR did a metamorphosis itt, please note how he got upset at my lashing at him, and how when he later returned he changed his modus operandi and became much mellower and try to calmly be diplomatic with ppl as opposed to earlier when he was messing around. i also believe he lied about playing scummy on purpose, my read is that he just said it cuz he wanted to look sophisticated or something, dunno
Not an awful read. you can shorten it to "He was acting out, but changed it after receiving negative attention. I think he was being scummy on purpose but I dont know why."

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:40 am
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:38 am Why do you townread ted, tutuu?
towny hypocrisy in posting that cringe gif at me for scumreading him, as if it was a gotcha moment

"haha tutuu u called me ridiculous for scumreading u, but look at u, YOU SCUMREAD ME URSELF, HAHA!" *cringe gif*

completely unabashed, unashamed, disregarding how he comes off as, as if he forgot he literally said he purposely played scummy

when i feel this kind of emotion towards a player they're usually town
this too, please read in context the posts above and see for urself

im messaging this specifically for the ppl who r voting ted, cuz i think they're wrong and i wanna try to help. namely @Hally and @Timsup2nothin

No comment here, this is a matter of perspective and opinion. It might be important if ted or tutuu is mafia though.

ODDMERTA havent been paying attention to him lately but early d1 was enough. honestly actually kinda forgot but i just remember he was blatantly obvious town. if it matters id need to reread my own iso to bring up the arguments"Town because early posts, but now i forget."

reads i could be wrong about

DRWILGY uh i think i thought cuz he went against the grain and scumread me when i was obvious town to everyone. also had a bunch of towny / idiosyncratic stuff, i can think of only 1 top of my head, the thing with "tutuu why arent u engaging with me on our different reads on mac" and after some back n forth he said "but i never explained my mac read lmao" like dunno if this is a mess of words but he like paid attentino / hold his hearts to his chest / was aware of that and thought it was like a "gotcha" moment to catch me scum or something? I can agree with the observation and input about wilgy. But I don't see why he would be lower than some of the above people.

HALLY cuz of how much we mindmelded, and in general their tone and energy and everything. a bunch of ppl and me were paranoid they were wolfing in her sf game cuz of how much tehy wanted to sheep and be a "Support" instead of a "Carry" but we learned thats just what they like to do as town If you call mindmelding sheeping eachother than sure. other than that it is just "i like how this person talks" but not about game related stuff. the issue of Hally just wanting to sheep entirely is a good point though.

JPIC because of how little he cares and how much he continually wolfclaims and actively trolls for entertainment BUT thats not the only thing he's doing. he isn't a 1-trick pony that gets stale, you CAN see a few reads and thoughts here and there, he is reading and considering the game, while masking it behind the trolling and "idgafuckness" like something something ppl who pretend to care about the game less than they do - towntell
If anything this makes me like JPIC less if I was going to base my opinion of him off this reasoning. personal preference again, but this looks more negative than positive.

MASTER RADISHES im just sheeping my towncore. cant put him any higher than this @Alison at the end of the day i cant in good faith trust my towncore enough to put their townreads in my top town tier over my own (in the sense of not that i dont trust u (towncore) that u arent town, just trust on the read accuracy) This just confused me entirely. something about sheeping. so no real opinion or evidence is given.

NANOOK i thought derpcleared himself town for thinking there are only 4 mafia and not 5 why

POISON-TAN i think is a terrible liar and would not pocket ppl left and right as mafia. she is just so honest and genuine and its easy to see imo from my one game with poison i kind of get that feeling from her but I can't just accept something I havent experienced more than once.

reads i could very well be wrong about, these r just my feelings

SPRITYO i leaned town cuz of his anti-consensus push on alison, usually a towntell to scumcase and vote the consensus towncore like that. some other ppl said some things and stuff about him being town, i didnt rly pay attention to what they said, i just noted they townread them (so its a plus that other ppl found him town too i mean) I'm being townread kind of for being different and making a big post. You really shouldn't trust just off that unless you agree with me. or think my points are valid and misguided. something along those lines.

TIMSUP2NOTHING i townread him for his anti-consensus push on omerta, now that im seeing his push on tedxtr i kinda like want him to stop pushing my townreads tho cuz it gives me a cold feet. and like ... idk, i think he's hard to read this game This is a weird read. just engage tim on the subject.

COLIN i leaned town cuz of ... actualyl literally inexplainableyea

DYACHEI gut townread also liteally inexplaianble mhm

DIZZYgut townread cuz how he doesnt care how he comes off as, and he played similar slanky/sheepy as town before, but i guess if he were to roll scum why not copy it? dunno This is a correct statement of what could be happening.

my poe of 6 ppl (cuz 5 mafia and 1 sk)

JULIETS
NUTELLA
STAYPOSITIVEFRIEND
HERM
SAMUSAMU
LONG CON

pls dont ask to justify my scumreads tsk tsk tsk

my brain doesnt work on the process of "i put X as my scumread cuz i found that this thing they've done to be scummy"

my brain works on the process off "everyone starts at ground level, and i try to townhunt and elevate ppl up, and those ppl i dont find anything to elevate up on, i just leave at the bottom" This is totally a fine way to work at things but leaving yourself little notes or at the least posts here and there will help you collect your thoughts. You'll eventually look scatterbrained and might draw the wrong attention. Or you do it in the hopes that post volume will drown out someone wanting to ISO your posts, etc.

So what have I learned having read through Tutuu's ISO:

-35/220 posts are game relevant. 13 of them offer content we can use to cross reference people. and roughly 180 of them are non game relevant/fluff posts.
-Take those statistics as you will, but my concern is in the previous large post I just commented on. I didn't agree with most of the reads, or at the least how they were justified. A mafia player will tread lightly and keep people satisfied.
-I'm not into the whole silly and ditzy deal. Sure you can do it, as long as we're not swamping the thread with things that will make it harder to catch up and understand the thread. Everyone hates catch up (Down with Ketchup!) so as mafia you don't necessarily have to worry about staying on topic most the time.
-My biggest pet peeve about Tutuu is the 24 claims with no backing, at least that's how they appeared in the ISO. some may have supporting posts before them just not quoted. but it appears that these are all gut reads/emotional reads and that the reads list posted will tell us nothing in the case of tutuu flipping, or if someone flips mafia and we need to cross examine.
-Last but not least I'm wondering about the sudden bringing up of a CounterWagon. I will go over this in my next post. This will be more of a reason why I believe tutuu to be mafia, but for this half:

TL;DR: Tutuu is mafia for fluffing around most the game, sheeping a majority of reads and not providing a considerable impact to the game. Instead choosing to be around and look like they are playing and effecting the game.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:14 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:13 pm Hey im caught up

Tutuu is mafia, please tell me why they are not.
They bleed town

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:16 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:13 pm Hey im caught up

Tutuu is mafia, please tell me why they are not.
consistent tone and solving

You guys sure about this? you want to give me some evidence before i get finished?

anyone else have something to say against what I said?

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:16 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:13 pm Hey im caught up

Tutuu is mafia, please tell me why they are not.
i am mafia and you're the only townie who realized this and i have enough clout to make fun of u openly and still coast by and win

what are u gonna do about it cowboy

Yeehaw, we'll see

Hey im caught up

Tutuu is mafia, please tell me why they are not.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:29 am Why has sprityo vanished off the face of the earth

Hi hi, did you miss me sweet cheeks?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:16 am Also I have no fucking clue what the Rogue does so I'm just going to treat Rogues as scum and kill them as eagerly as I would any scum member. If they're SK or some shit, I want to dispose of that as early as possible.

Paranoia tells me that it might have something to do with:

Sloonei wrote:Roleclaiming and infodumping may be legal for some, illegal for others.
Mechanics exist which make roleclaiming and infodumping potentially dangerous. Proceed with caution.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:16 am Also I have no fucking clue what the Rogue does so I'm just going to treat Rogues as scum and kill them as eagerly as I would any scum member. If they're SK or some shit, I want to dispose of that as early as possible.

Paranoia tells me that it might have something to do with:

Sloonei wrote:Roleclaiming and infodumping may be legal for some, illegal for others.
Mechanics exist which make roleclaiming and infodumping potentially dangerous. Proceed with caution.

I’ve got about 10 pages to catch up on rn, but the question of

“Who is Oddmerta?” Came into my mind

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:22 am ok i have to sleep i’m so tired here have a list

town:
mac
tutuu
alison

town lean:
odd
tim
spf
dizzy
wilgy
poison
radishes
dya
herm
samu

idk/poe/whatever:
nanook
nut
ted
sprit
colin
fallen/jules
lc
jpic

This looks like a list of:

My friends
Not my friends but people who’ve quiet or nice
People who are not nice and I dont like how they talk

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:41 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:48 pm
Spoiler: show
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:43 am Okay, I'm convinced, sprit is scummy. I want you to tell me how that suddenly changed. I don't think we've ever played together for starters.

Specifically what persuaded me was the way sprit declined multiple opportunities to earn Mac's townread by saying "yeah I think Mac is scum for misreading me". Regardless of how accurate the meta tell is, I think town are generally a lot more likely to just be like "yeah, yeah, I'm town, here's what you want, now leave me alone so I can slank/solve/lead/whatever", whereas mafia tends to be naturally be inclined towards being more self-conscious and less likely to "blatantly" try to grab towncred because they're paranoid it looks bad or it could be a trap.This is hypothetical, what is normal means nothing and meta is a useless word to justify an agenda. What town cred am I trying to grab?

Naturally this doesn't apply if the scum player in question is good enough to do audacious things to get townread but sprit doesn't seem like a particularly audacious player so I'm just seeing this as scum. Audacious? hahahahAHAHAHA
Flimsy at best. Made even less solid given your sudden change in alignment. Then of course we got-

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:44 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:43 am Ok you're town
wow, this is your second bait and switch of the day

removing linki was a mistake

(I stand by my read though)
If your excuse would be youre just following mac and that now youre not because you've "developed your own opinion" it's still not enough to justify what youre trying to push. You couldnt go back either way after that big post because it would make you look bad. Yet you had to justify it with "i stand by my read though.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:45 am [VOTE: JPIC] aubergine

I'm sheeping my towncore.
side note unrelated to me and all my glory- Tutuu just says JPIC and FallenPrince are mafia with no backup. You only pushed this (ever so slightly) later

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:51 am [???]
Colin
dyachei
Fallen Prince
Long Con
Samusamu

[Mafia]
JPIC
sprityo
tedxtr
If you're just sheeping tutuu for reads then why's FP up in "???" ? TL;DR is telling me: lazy town applying logic to something unsubstantiated....at best. Or you're scum and making these loud bold statements on purpose to look good. since textwalls = town right? (no it doesnt)

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:00 am Your "let's talk about JPIC" thing feels like an awkward attempt to redirect the subject to JPIC now (probably because JPIC is one of the people perceived to be scummier than you) that you've admitted there's actually nothing legitimate to talk about.

Also "Mac's reads are all wrong, Mac's case on JPIC is bullshit, but I'll go ahead and sheep Mac onto JPIC anyways" is super bad.

Also I don't think JPIC and sprityo can be wolf together now so I'm wrongly scumreading one of them.
Okay, here's something I will give you credit for. You're not wrong. I had just popped into thread, saw my name in Mac's mouth. Reacted. I was assuming something noteworthy had actually happened, but no it's day 1 where we all shout how ugly your christmas sweaters are and then you get locked in the closet for being not ugly enough. Second line is true, true, and true but why is it super bad? you just saying so doesnt make me believe anything. Finally a backpedal on the scum read just before. This post is really good at throwing shade and that's about it.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:26 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:23 am
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:14 am Okay JPIC, here's the good news. I think sprit and you both look bad but I also don't think you can be wolves together and the way sprit tried to turn the subject to you when under pressure indicates that you're the town of that pair. Here's your chance to show me you're town. Tell me where your head is at with the gamestate atm. Do you feel optimistic about the mass of people all heavily townreading each other? Do you have any reads you feel strongly about?
/looking at powerwolfing article from thingy

*ahem*

Spirit is clearly a wolf. I see the wolves have no shame and once again are trying to get me mislynched like U-Pick. Disgraceful behaviour.

Do I feel optimistic about everyone townreading each other? Not really. My strongest townread is myself.
I feel like you're referencing something about that article but it's long and many parts of it could theoretically apply to this game so I'm going to need you to spell out what it is you mean exactly.
This post is good because Alison is trying to be "nice" to JPIC and win their trust so that she can bag more votes or at the least more negative attention to me. It makes her previous "IDK which is a wolf and which is town" even more odd. If she somehow changed her opinion of JPIC between her readwall and now why all the confusing text? If anything I think JPIC posted that article in reference to you or even mac because of how he was feeling
To summarize what I think about this post: There was no need for this post.

Two more posts just tunneling me in particular and then a bunch of non game relevant posts and then we get here:

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:44 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:39 pm i also don't really get what's going on with spirit and jpic? Maybe it's because I don't know their meta?
I really think the way sprityo attacked JPIC was super scummy and it's one of the major factors that would make JPIC trend up in my reads (I'm ambivalent about it atm because there are good reasons to scumread him too and he didn't really do anything when I tried to reach out to him and get him to show me his towniness).

It was like, sprityo gets pressured by Mac and questioned, and then he immediately redirects with "actually let's not talk about this, let's talk about your JPIC read, I thought that was interesting". And then when Mac challenges him to specify what he found interesting about the JPIC read, he flails for a bit and then lashes out at Mac ("everything you've said has been bollocks", "your case is only based on your own word" etc).

To me that reads as though sprityo is very uncomfortable with Mac's pressure and wants to divert attention to someone else he thinks Mac will scumread just as strongly, and perhaps even townread him for finding JPIC scummy. Could scum!sprityo bullshit some fake reason why the JPIC read was "interesting"? I don't know. But I do know that the two towny responses to pressure are either folding and just receding from the game (because you can't take it) or trying to argue/fight back and show why you're town/why the person pressuring you is misguided or scum. It isn't townie to just grab some random player that's widely scumread and try to use them as a human shield.
Which I've already quoted and talked about. This is the same post as above im saying is just shade throwing, only with more wording. This is more a direct attempt to get a single person to have a bad image of myself starting off. I'm sure any regular who's been in a game with Mac and I and we always have this rivalry goin on. I recognize mac is a good player, better than myself in my opinion. And mac recognizes i am a good player but a easy mislynch/lynch depending on what team we're respectively on. To which I will say yes, I am afraid of mac. Now you know. This isn't new so go figure that this post is NAI
Aaaaaand That's all I really have. Let's wrap it up outside the spoiler:

Alison has been making a lot of posts about past games, mechanics kind of? and of course pushing me and really only me. I saw something about Odd and ted here and there but really nothing to support her town reads or her two scum reads. I think Alison is trying to be a deepwolf with minimal effort to be honest. As for who could be her partners I could definitely but down JPIC, Mac, Tutuu, and Hally as potential partners.

-JPIC for how she suddenly scum read them, then didnt, then tried to help them not be scumread
-Mac couldve just been sheeped but there's also the possibility of "lol watch me get sprit mislynched, i've done it before. Just follow my lead"
-Tutuu and Hally are similar to mac, could just be buddy buddy with them and not actually partners.
Was this "you are scum for scum reading me"? sprityo

No, being voted for a tunneled relentlessly made me mad enough to check if there is a legit reasoning for doing so. Had there been something to go off of then I wouldn’t be so heated about this. If someone is going to come after me they had better be prepared.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:53 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:42 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:35 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:33 pm [VOTE: Samusamu] aubergine

let's go
what he's so pure though

I stanned him in g9 and I'm stanning him now
I actually agree! It was why I was townreading him at first!

But, like, his reads are so bad and disagreeable, and then there was that really, really weird accusation that came totally out of the blue of Mac being Rogue.

Has anyone else even mentioned Rogue besides that joke claim at the very start of the game? No, we've all forgotten that the 3P exists. We're focused on the town vs mafia aspect of the game. Not Samu though! He remembers Rogue exists. Rogue is on his mind, to the point where he rejects much more natural conclusions ("Mac is a mixed bag" "Mac is null" "I can't sort Mac") in favor of a real reach to call Mac 3P. I genuinely believe that this is a >>rand 3P tell, and I can show you a game where 3P outed their alignment exactly like this.

It would explain all the stuff I found confusing about him. He seems so agenda-less and his tone is so pure because he really doesn't have an agenda (or at least not the kind of agenda we expect from scum), and he really isn't trying to manipulate anyone. He's doing something completely different from the war between town and scum. He's giving reads like they're obligatory, because he isn't really invested in solving. They're bad reads because he doesn't put thought into them and he doesn't follow up on them, but they aren't constructed to feed a certain narrative or undermine certain players because he genuinely doesn't care.

To me this read makes a lot of sense and it ties all the threads of Samu's behavior together neatly. I'd really like to sit on this wagon and see how far I can ride it.
i actually like this read because it's incredibly common for mafia/3p to project their roles onto other players without realizing it

really? I was gonna say it was another reach tbh. Then again I haven't paid much attention to samu either so maybe i should go see these "bad reads" alison is talking about

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:50 pm Alison: makes a well thought out case on Samusamu

The rest of the town: but what about lobster bisque

Ive had lobstert bisque once. It sucked and was too thick for my tastes

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:46 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:45 pm Well, heck.

I have played the mow intensity goof off game I wanted to play, but now it is three hours to the midpoint of the day, where I post my day one reads, and I got nothin' in particular and haven't taken any notes from which to come up with anything.

Low intensity goofing off turns out to just be procrastination and now I have to make up for it.

Not amused.
Come sheep my wagon on Samu! I have actual reasons!

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:29 pm Nanook feels like he's floundering amongst the overt towniness of the game.

I think thats just nanook though? At least that's how i felt about him in Upick2

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