The Syndicate

Actually I said that we should pursue exactly the people that we think are scum + give most information. I don´t know how you could think that I was advocating the exact opposite of that.

Interesting analysis. Voting for me has been difficult as my time zone has led me to always place my vote in advance. I have not once been around at EOD if I recall correctly.

S~V~S wrote:No I think he meant Soneji. He was the one who pointed out your use of 'careful' before you did, right?

Yeah he did. Im happy that someone got it right.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Nero, what do you think of Soneji bailing on the thread at the very moment you became public enemy #1?

Dont you mean Sloonei?

Nerolunar wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:I am never lynching any of these people on Day 10:

S~V~S
Sloonei
Turnip Head

That means there are 4 baddies here:

chaindeath
Dom
Elohcin
Epignosis
Nerolunar
Soneji

If you're a townie in that pile, then show yourself as brightly as you can. The game is still winnable, somehow, and if you get out of that pile then it's locked.
Aye aye captn.

I think the scum team looks like this:

Chaindeath
Elohcin
Epignosis
Last one is a coin toss between Soneji and Dom. I won´t be advocting to lynch either of these right now though.

I think we should be lynching the person who we think is scum but also if that person can provide us with information to help us continue our pursuit.

So, Epignosis

We should also be careful of bussing and new wagons popping up. There is probably going to be an attempted save at some point.

Well, first I was proposing what I believe is the scum team. Lets for a moment play out that these people are scum - which should we lynch first? Chaindeath has not been here for a long time. Elohcin neither. Their reads has either been limited(Serge) or all over the place (Chaindeath). Epignosis however, has been pretty consistent with his reads if I recall correctly. My thought process was that Epignosis has higher priority in that information regarding him is easier to go about, provided he is actually bad obviously.

In the next part you guys are twisting my words and also misunderstanding what Im saying. I never said that we should completely abandon all other wagons, but that we should be CAREFUL. We need to lynch a cop today right, and if we are to do that we must look through what the cops will inevitably try to tell us in an attempt to direct the lynch upon an innocent. Im saying that I oppose any new and in-the-moment CFD like wagons. We have had enough of impulsive lynches and I want to advocate that we should tread lightly this time. You guys do probably agree with this and I should have worded it differently

That must have been Zodiac Mafia, though lots of people were bad there.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 33#p239433

There is also Arkham:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 28#p255028

Epignosis wrote:
Nerolunar wrote:We should also be careful of bussing and new wagons popping up. There is probably going to be an attempted save at some point.
Read: We must regard any alternative lynches as save attempts because Epignosis is bad, and we must regard any additional votes on Epignosis as bussing because Epignosis is bad.

Way to think things through.

Nerolunar

Well, I said that we should just be careful about it damnit. I didn´t mean "disregard" entirely, but there are still 4 cops alive who has the power to steer us around as they wish.

Sloonei wrote:I am leaving for work but I just wanted to say that my vote is on Nerolunar the opportunistic bandwagoner. Has he voted for or even been suspicious of Epi at all this game?

I have actually. I have mentioned it in a few recent posts.

Jesus guys. You are wrong about this, and Im not going to be lynched today. Im not a cop and we really need to find the actual cops, so stop this!

How can I convince you that Im not scum?

I could see that vote for Chaindeath by Epi as a bussing attempt. Chaindeath is barely here anyway, so its not unlikely that he is the member they would most like to sacrifice.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:I am never lynching any of these people on Day 10:

S~V~S
Sloonei
Turnip Head

That means there are 4 baddies here:

chaindeath
Dom
Elohcin
Epignosis
Nerolunar
Soneji

If you're a townie in that pile, then show yourself as brightly as you can. The game is still winnable, somehow, and if you get out of that pile then it's locked.

Aye aye captn.

I think the scum team looks like this:

Chaindeath
Elohcin
Epignosis
Last one is a coin toss between Soneji and Dom. I won´t be advocting to lynch either of these right now though.

I think we should be lynching the person who we think is scum but also if that person can provide us with information to help us continue our pursuit.

So, Epignosis

We should also be careful of bussing and new wagons popping up. There is probably going to be an attempted save at some point.

That and Chaindeath, and I don´t know who the last one is. Quin maybe? I don´t know, he recovered really well.

I felt good about Serge for a good bit of the game. However, the civ actions of other players makes me go by process of elimination and Serglochin does not look good to me then.

Your ISO of me made me remember Epi´s behavior towards me - feeling sus because of the streering yadda yadda I have been over it. Out of all players he still looks good, but worse than other players. That is what is the hardest about this game for me at least: people are great at projecting town.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Okay. Let's return to this post then, Nero:

Nerolunar wrote:Damn. Crappy situation we are in, but I believe that we can still win! I like Sonejis recent posts and GTH he strikes me as civ.

My top scum reads are Chaindeath and Dom. Doms recent posts lacks civ motivation and he does not come off as someone who is struggling to win.
If you're no longer feeling Dom, who takes his place? Can you do better than two names?

Im thinking Epi or Elohcin.

Dom wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Anyone want to join me in voting for Don/Draconus/Mongoose? Collectively they've provided almost no content. Dom hasn't been inactive since he showed up, but his posts do not represent anything that would be diffocult for a scum player to fake. I think we've definitely tot lurker scums on our hands in this game and he fits the bill better than anyone else.
....so...why am I bad?

Turnip Head wrote:wtf, RIP sig

Sorry that I haven't had time for this. Where should I vote? As of right now I don't want to vote for Epignosis or Scotty but I also haven't read the cases on them. I feel good about both of them from what I've read. chaindeath, Domconus and Soneji are all options for me.
Why?

Nerolunar wrote:My vote on Chaindeath is going nowhere, so Im changing it. I think Domcongoose looks worse than Scotty tbh, so Im voting for him.

Dom
WHY?!

Turnip Head wrote:Well I hope you guys are right about Scotty. .. Ive been wrong about most things so far so maybe I'm wrong about him too, but I think he's town.

Voted for Dom.
W H Y?

This post I think. Its a special case because most of us voted on record of both Mongoose and Draconus´ behavior and prioritized that vote instead of Scotty and Dom was exhibiting really loud behavior and I was thinking that it was weird.

Looked at Dom´s ISO and its actually not as bad as I remembered. I guess I just didn´t like it in the passing.

I know you guys will probably jump at my throat for this but seriously, I don´t want to sow false suspicion on players. Thank you Sloonei for pointing it out

Its the vibe I get while reading your posts.

Damn. Crappy situation we are in, but I believe that we can still win! I like Sonejis recent posts and GTH he strikes me as civ.

My top scum reads are Chaindeath and Dom. Doms recent posts lacks civ motivation and he does not come off as someone who is struggling to win.

My vote on Chaindeath is going nowhere, so Im changing it. I think Domcongoose looks worse than Scotty tbh, so Im voting for him.

Dom

That was clearly a wrong choice of font color

Prisoner 509378 wrote:continuing the Nerolunar case.

I don't think he really addressed Epignosis's suspicions here. He retooled them and then responded to things that weren't said. I'm also rarely a fan of "you didn't suspect me before, what's your problem now?!" type gripes.
I did answer? He implied I was steering while in my opinion I was the one to mention that the thread might have been steered. I find it to be a weak accusation that Epi made of me. Its like saying I should be lynched as top priority because I commented on the flow/mood of the thread, which I dont think is valid reasoning.
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sig wrote:Voting Epignosis for the time. I don't have much to go on, but I've got a bad gut read of him, I also don't see the gleam lynch what so ever. I think between Gleam and Ika, Ika is more likely to be bad.
Before you were pinged by me, and now you vote for my accuser? Don´t get me wrong, Im happy that you don´t find me suspicious anymore, but this looks a tad opportunistic to me
This logic escapes me. It's possible to suspect someone and the accuser of that person at the same time. Fugging eyeball. You are right. I did not consider that. My mistake. Im gonna screw myself with a rake if I get lynched and we end up losing because of this.

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Nerolunar wrote:Im going to bed now

Im reading Serge as civ. I would like to hear more from you.
I have no idea why Nero read Serge as civ. This is a read that exists. At that point I thought he had been reasonable. He was greener than most people to me at that point.

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Nerolunar wrote:@ Epignosis

I was referring to the fact that Night Actions will happen - thats what I mean by information. Things will happen that we can use. I was not talking specifically about lynching you for information. You still ping me though.

Nerolunar wrote:@ Epignosis

What exactly is your case against me? I only remember you mentioning me steering the thread earlier which you didn´t follow up on, but does it go beyond that? Explain to me why you find me suspicious.
He suspects Epignosis for reasons that appear mostly unstated. He demands Epignosis expand on his reasons for suspecting Nero which were frankly better stated.If its still the steering thats reasoning for Epis suspicion here in this quote then yes, I did not find it valid at all. The lack of valid suspicion was suspicious to me. Epi knows that I am a rather weak player from Zodiac and Arkham so maybe he tried to abuse it here. In hindsight it makes me feel worse about Epi right now.

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Nerolunar wrote:Yay! Well done on the lynch.

Im not so sure on Ika anymore. Im more inclined to lynching Epi right now, though I will have to wait for the night to end before making any reads. We should have fresh information by then.

Nerolunar wrote:Im still reading Ika as bad. I understand that we are unfamilliar with his playstyle, but I just can´t get around how it looks. Recently he has only posted pictures without words, not really been providing thoughts or reads and previously he would say stuff like "Just lynch this already". It doesn´t look to me like he is really trying. What townstyle exhibits that?

I guess he is working and doesn´t have time to respond properly, but if he doesn´t do it soon I will be voting for him.
The first post was his immediate reaction to Fuzz flipping cop. He expressed doubt about his baddie read on ika. On Day 3 he reverted back to that baddie read. I don't quite see a clear progression leading to that. Me neither. I guess my previous suspicions picked up again and were still going strong. I honestly can´t remmber what went on in my head at that time other than we lynched a cop.

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Nerolunar wrote:Indi did you read all of my posts? I have explained most of the points you make already. I can explain them again if you want.

I discarded the idea of meta reads on Ika/SW because they never showed up. Ika mentioned that he would quickly sort out if SW was bad, but he only went all over the place, resulting in a lot of suspicion being thrown at him. I became suspicious of him because he didn´t make use of the fact that only he has meta of SW, and also his generally weid behavior which I have explained.

I came off of Ika when I began to think that it was due to playstyle that he was acting like he was. I was afraid to tunnel too hard at that point. Epignosis had voted for me based on very little evidence(the steering of the thread) and that pinged me. He has exhibited civ behavior lately though, so Im neutral on him now.

Epignosis didn´t tunnel on me, and that made me less suspicious on him - in hindsight its a pretty bad way to gauge alignment, so I will give you that.

I had been reading 18 pages, so Quins behavior at EoD slipped my mind. There was so much to remember, and thats why I was genuinely happy that people had pointed it out so that I didn´t miss it.

As of now, yeah I am reading Ika as bad. I guess it would be stupid of him to vote for Fuzz, but I believe that was what occured anyway. Maybe he forgot he had the votes, maybe he actively bussed to save himself. Regardless of what happened, he has still exhibited scummy behavior in my opinion. I won´t lynch him today though, as he can´t defend himself. I am much more comfortable with lynching Chaindeath. He is just scummy all over.

Chaindeath
Yellow: he's really working hard here to maintain the anti-ika narrative, even suggesting ika forgot he had extra votes.

He defaults to the chaindeath vote. Okay, Ika probably didnt forget he had votes. That was somewhat silly to suggest, but I remember being under a little pressure(which was nothing compared to these posts of yours right now).

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Nerolunar wrote:@ Sloonei - Well, opposed is a strong word. You did try to use the CFD to lynch Matt for a moment which is weird, but I did wrote "to a lesser extent". I still believe you are civ based on everything else you have done.

The only wagon I would like to pursue is Chaindeath. Call it tunneling, I just have a strong feeling that he is scum.

Linki Youre setting me up too as a wagon Sig.
This has become the theme for Nero since Night 3. Total tunnel vision on chaindeath. Yes, and I have admitted that a few times. If he turns out to be town after all I might take a pause from mafia. He still is my only hard scum read and its almost too late for him to change that - If he were to do a Quin I might reconsider but as of right now nothing yet has convinced me that he is town.

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Nerolunar wrote:I believe we should lynch Sig.

Right now lynching Sig is almost the only thing we are talking about. Are we going to talk about him next cycle too? It feels like we are not getting anywhere, and I would much rather get the paranoia out of the way asap. I think we can have a more clear approach to things once we are not as occupied with lynching Sig.

Will keeping Sig alive solve any problems? In my opinion, no. Rather, if he flips bad we can probably clear Golden and that would be really beneficial.
I actually like this post and it might be Nero's best. Thank you.

Nerolunar wrote:That GTH exercise you guys did earlier was really interesting to read, and I am going to make one for myself too now. I don´t understand why so many of you find me scummy though, but to be honest Im not really scared. I guess I haven´t been investing that much effort in to this game(haven´t really done ISOs and such) and I understand why that might seem scummy to you. However, I believe that there are objectively worse looking players at the moment, and I want to lynch Sig this round. I believe that he is indeed scum, and has recently found his footing so he can continue to slip away of lynches. I say we lynch Sig once and for all.

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Black rock - town

Boomslang - scum

Chaindeath - scum

Draconus - scum

Epignosis - town

Ika - town

Indiglo - town

Nerolunar - town

Prisoner 509 - town

Quin - scum

SVS - town

Scotty - town

Serge - town

Sig - scum

Silverwolf - town

Sloonei - town

Thellama - town

Turnip Head - town
I also like his transparency here on a tone level. Thank you.

I'm going to cut this off here. Y'all get the point. Nero's most suspicious work came in the former half of the game, and in the latter half he's been highly focused upon chaindeath. There are some decent looks available in his post history though. Nero, come chat with me and we'll see.

There you go. Chaindeath

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Nerolunar needs a big ass case to handle whenever he shows up in this thread. Feel the pain.

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Nerolunar wrote:Why do we want to trigger the traitors? Can´t we just hunt for baddies? I don´t see why its beneficial
I think it's relatively common for baddies to "dissuade" perceived distractions at the start of a game, because it's a very easy way for them to assume a mantle of PERSON WITH PRIORITIES, while townies are the ones who often like to explore silly ideas related to roles.
I have priorities and the traitors really weren´t all that important.
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Nerolunar wrote:Im going to pressure vote for Ika. Come talk with us buddy.
To literally call it a "pressure vote" kind of deflates its pressure potential.Yes, it actually kinda does. IIRC I was afraid to give votes without reason in fear of getting heat for it.

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Nerolunar wrote:
ika wrote:
Nerolunar wrote:
What are you going to do if Silverwolf appears to you as town? Who are you going to vote for today if you don´t have any reads?

@ Matt I agree that is strange. But is it alignment indicative? I don´t think so.
wh i always do: work with her and sort out reads that we cant agree on and try to make a cohesive town bloc of players. i would prob go isoing then and read people to see what i cna find if i sort her
So you are developing reads? Just before you said you weren´t going to make reads on people day 1 But thanks for clarifying.

I like that you and Silverwolf can cooperate like this, provided that both of you are good. I will keep an eye on you Could very well be that both of you are baddies.
The vague eyeballs always get me. The highlighted portion is suspicious at face value. I valued their meta reads but I didn´t want to get too carried away. I use the eyeball to signal that I have not heard enough of a player yet, but that I am looking for them. Im surprised you chose that to be a reason for suspicion honestly.

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Nerolunar wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:
Nerolunar wrote:SVS@ It does make sense.

Silverwolf would it be possible that you could do the same to Ika? It would be really great if we could get more information about you guys.
Clarify what you mean here?
Ika seems to be very focused on decoding and eventually labeling you as either civ/mafia - if you could decode him in the same fashion it would be great. We don´t know the meta of you guys, only you do.
I guess it's decent that he was seemingly trying to facilitate productive Silverwolf/ika discourse to help gets reads on them. Still though, he's reporting ika's behavior more than providing original content. Well, yeah. I was processing their replies.

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Nerolunar wrote:
chaindeath wrote:He is so good at typing.... He didn't do it properly and he offers his sincerest apologies. Long Con
This looks somewhat sheepish to me.

Why does typing mistakes and then apologising for it indicate baddie alignment? Chain I would like you to explain too. I see nothing scummy in LC´s behavior so far.
Given that chaindeath is a brand new player (so he's told me at least, if that's not accurate someone should say so), this kind of treatment from Nero has my attention. If chain is town then that makes him one of the easiest targets in this game, and to give him crap for this vote was one of the easiest posts to make in this game.
Yes it is an easy post, but also a necessary one. I don´t like votes that come out of the blue with lack of reasoning. If it hadn´t been I who had called Chaindeath out on this someone else would have done it.

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Nerolunar wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Nerolunar wrote:Who is Gleam? I dont see anyone with that name.
agleaminranks
Thanks. I read it completely different.

@ Sig To me its not "highly pingy" to call out lurking.

I am going to change my vote. Losing Ika now will eradicate all meta reads that he can give us on Silverwolf. I don´t like that uncertainty.

Im going to check up un Gleam and see if thats whgere my vote will be.
This is a rather odd reason to defend ika -- as if his presence was crucial to getting a good read on Silverwolf. Lots of Ikas playstyle revolved around Silver. I wouldn´t say crucial, but definitely a good asset to have at that point.

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Nerolunar wrote:
agleaminranks wrote:
Diiny wrote:
agleaminranks wrote:I'm voting Diiny, but not because I specifically side with Wilgy or Enrique. To be honest I have no idea what the flying fart is going on in that circle.
Glad your vote is well informed.
I think Luffy made a good point against your favor. As much as I don't want to say that for how fervently he is attacking me at the moment.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Oh sorry, you are not opposed to the idea of hunting mafia. You just don't want to lynch them. Accusing each other is okay as long as no blood is drawn.
People like yourself are a pretty common trope in movie bad guys. They have some ideal that may even be morally sympathetic to the viewer, but you still use the end to justify your means of sacrificing a few innocent lives along the way. I think that is the wrong attitude.
Do you seriously think we can win without any mislynches? They do serve their purpose, as we can look at vote tallies and such. To me it is alright to mislynch a few if it means winning in the end anyway.

I was not pinged before but now I am.
I'm not going to give Nero crap for this semi-support of the concept of mislynches. I think I've said things like that before as a townie. However, I am not a fan of the way Nero has warped a disagreement of strategy into a "ping". I'm not sure why it should have been suspicious for agleaminranks to be opposed to the notion of "sacrificing innocent lives" en route to the civilian end goal. Aren't we all opposed to that? It may be idealistic, but it's not suspicious in my opinion. At that point Gleam was holding on to that ideal really strongly, and I completely oppose such an ideal. It did ping me and in that moment I did think he as likely to be mafia. IIRC I did revert him back to a null in my mind later on, but right here I was indeed pinged.

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Nerolunar wrote:I think Im going to vote for Chaindeath. He voted for LC based on nothing earlier today, when the only thing LC had posted IIRC was an argument against the everyone-vote-for-everyone plan. Still getting mixed signals from Gleam, but I will let him slide this round.

See y`all tomorrow.
Ew. Cmon.

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Nerolunar wrote:I see RadicalFuzz is online. What are your suspects and general thoughts on what happened at EoD and from there on?
I suggested earlier in the game that this seemed like a rather specific prod, and that I wasn't sure that it was organic.

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Nerolunar wrote:Wait, quite a few people have been voicing disagreement against the Gleam wagon. Is this a coordinated cop effort to steer the thread in a specific direction?
HMMM PONDER. This is a distinct accusation against a distinct group of people, but he didn't name any of them or specify what posts he was even talking about. This reads as manipulative. It was a speculative thought I had. Just wanted to throw it out there.

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Nerolunar wrote:Wow.

Well, if you can´t reference to posts and find bits of proof then how do you want us to agree with you? Why do you want to do ISO´s if you don´t want to analyse them?

Man.
Speaking of a failure to reference specifics. And there's that damned eyeball again. Its just eyes. I admit that Im not that great at referencing either, but here Ika blatantly stated that he was opposed to doing it.

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Nerolunar wrote:Because anyone can claim that they have an idea for who it might be.

I don´t believe it is in our best interests to speculate on who might be don/hitman. It only distracts from our goal to lynch cops, and we don´t really win anything by discussing it.
It certainly does not improve my read on you.

Ika
MR. PRIORITIES is back. This ika vote was also on Day 2; it came before the development of the CFD.Yes, priorities. What could we possibly gain by discussing it?

Gonna post this part now, the connection here is crapola and I keep having to log in over and over. To be continued.

Honestly I stand by most if not all of what I have said.

Im getting a little disoriented with this game. It feels like we are still fumbling around and frankly it sucks. The only strong read I have is still Chaindeath(woo surprise) and I will be voting for him today. Prisoner I read your ISO of me and I am going to respond to the individual points you made in my next post.

Before I do that, I am going to mention that your suspicion of me mainly looks like the lack of town effort rather than the presence of mafia behavior. I have felt this way since people began suspecting me and sure, more effort would help solving that problem. It is hard though. Im surprised Boomslang was civ and now I don´t know what to do other than trying to lynch Chaindeath. I lack consistent reads and my feelings about people go back and forth in my mind. I guess we all feel like that, but I do agree that we should not give up and fight to not give them an easy win. aaaaaand you will probably read this entire paragraph as some Patos-filled charm-nonsense, but I dont care. Its what I think.

Responding to your ISO now.

Im sorry I missed the vote. I can´t even remember where I left off reading the thread, but I will read through tomorrow and post some thoughts by then.

Im sorry for my low participation but I just dont really know what I should talk about at this point. One of my main scum reads(Boomslang) is most likely getting lynched and Im fine with that. But if anyone has questions to me or anything I will be happy to answer obviously.

Oh well, here we go again.

Sloonei wrote:
Nerolunar wrote:
Quin wrote:Nerolunar, come back and post a thing!
Sure, although I don´t have much to comment on.

Chaindeath trying to redirect a lynch unto Th is a little weird to me. I think Boomslang is so much more suspicious right now, and I would like Chaindeath to elaborate on why he thinks TH is more suspicious in the light of possible evidence that we have.
Redirect? Most of the day has been about discussing which one of those two to lynch. No one's redirecting a lynch anywhere. TH has 5 votes. The only person not participating in the lynch so far today is Boomslang himself.

I don´t see why TH is suspicious. Is there a case anywhere that I have missed?

Quin wrote:Nerolunar, come back and post a thing!

Sure, although I don´t have much to comment on.

Chaindeath trying to redirect a lynch unto Th is a little weird to me. I think Boomslang is so much more suspicious right now, and I would like Chaindeath to elaborate on why he thinks TH is more suspicious in the light of possible evidence that we have.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Nerolunar wrote:Prisoner Im not sure I understand the question. I also slept and have been doing other things if you need more reasons. I have been checking in regularly but swiftly and didn´t find anything that I would like to comment on. Chaindeath seems to be our lynch for today and if not him then Boomslang,and Im fine with either.
Keep checking in. There is likely to be vote movement.

Oh I will.

Prisoner Im not sure I understand the question. I also slept and have been doing other things if you need more reasons. I have been checking in regularly but swiftly and didn´t find anything that I would like to comment on. Chaindeath seems to be our lynch for today and if not him then Boomslang,and Im fine with either.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Nerolunar wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Voted for chaindeath and then immediately changed to Boomslang. I want to hear from both of them. I will support a lynch of either of them today, barring something unexpected.
Me too. They are my biggest scum reads right now.
Why is your first post in 8 hours 5 minutes after the night post?

Yes. My reads have been them for a while now and none of the discussion that has been going on has changed that.

Sloonei wrote:
Nerolunar wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Voted for chaindeath and then immediately changed to Boomslang. I want to hear from both of them. I will support a lynch of either of them today, barring something unexpected.
Me too. They are my biggest scum reads right now.
Who's your #3 read?

Sig.

Chaindeath

Sloonei wrote:Voted for chaindeath and then immediately changed to Boomslang. I want to hear from both of them. I will support a lynch of either of them today, barring something unexpected.

Me too. They are my biggest scum reads right now.

sig wrote:Actually wow, okay I just read up on things. I regret not being here at EOD. The fact anyone voted for Ika after chaindeath is very off putting to me. His post reeks. Also I dislike Th last minute vote. I think y'all might have been right about Enrique/Bloom. I could see Chain, TH, and maybe llama as there teammate. Possibly Nero also. Both have tunneled on players who arent major lynch trains. I also can't even recall Llama giving reads outside of who he thought was scum DDL and Quin.

I don´t see how you can think Im a teammate of Chaindeath. I have been advocating his lynch for a very long time now

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Let's lynch chaindeath tomorrow. I think everyone agrees with that one, yes?

Sure, Chaindeath is a great lynch, and so is Boomslang. It should have been one of them this day, though it does make it easier to work with SW as she is not as entangled with Ika anymore.

I agree with Prisoner 509 that we need to step up a bit if we really want to lynch more cops. We need to nail the objectively scummiest players as our first priority.

Linki - Exactly Sloonei.

As I will be out partying until tomorrow afternoon

I won´t be active until then (or later, depends on the severity of my hangover). It sucks that I won´t be around closer till EoD so Im just going to keep my vote where it is. See you guys

ika wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
I don't understand this. Silverwolf says you're bad, and I question her ability to read you, and you come at me?
Your not ment to understand, your ment to eat rope.

When anyone discredit her ability to read em i will retaliate no matter what. she knows me better then i probally knwo myself so yes i am goign to go at you

You´re meant to eat rope. Good god the shade.

Epignosis wrote:I don't want to vote ika, as easy as he's making it. My convictions stand. He would have to put borrowed votes on Fuzz Day 2. I just don't get that as a strategy.

Well, Ika has said that he is not afraid to bus if he has to.

sig wrote:I highly doubt you're right about him. Sw went from saying she was certain he was scum to him being town in one post. That by itself is scummy, if Ika isn't mafia on his own then both are since they are either acting way to orchestrated or one is scum tricking the other. Ika's post reeks of mafia manipulative behavior. But meh he was never my top guy. I'd like to lynch Nero I gave my thoughts on him before he seems to be playing his same scum game as before. Joining wagons or just tunneling on one member. Contradicting himself and going back and forth on lynches.

1) Im tired of voting for people who are not likely to get lynched. I am never around at EoD, so I need to make sure that my vote is put to use. I feel no shame in being flipfloppy as long as the votes are well reasoned. I find myself to be easy to convince by those who I believe to be town, so when I see someone has a good point in the thread Im not afraid to follow it. I mean we are trying to catch baddies here, so Im voting for someone who I think is bad. However, now I also need to ensure that there is a chance of it being a wagon because votes are valuable.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:
sig wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:sig, I don't believe you've said anything about my sudden and consistent defenses of you. Are you trying to pocket a prisoner?
What do you mean, pocket a prisoner?
Buddy me, man. Be my buddy. My devious, sinister buddy.

At the moment I am ripping chaindeath to shreds. Stay tuned gang.

I am so ready.

Scotty what do you picture me as?

Thanks.

It is still not readable.

EBWOP

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That GTH exercise you guys did earlier was really interesting to read, and I am going to make one for myself too now. I don´t understand why so many of you find me scummy though, but to be honest Im not really scared. I guess I haven´t been investing that much effort in to this game(haven´t really done ISOs and such) and I understand why that might seem scummy to you. However, I believe that there are objectively worse looking players at the moment, and I want to lynch Sig this round. I believe that he is indeed scum, and has recently found his footing so he can continue to slip away of lynches. I say we lynch Sig once and for all.

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Im voting Prisoner 509. His effort yesterday was unmatched, and I would really like if he would continue helping us.

Im really glad to see some of you prisoners are making an effort. Its never a bad thing to have a set of fresh eyes on an issue.

Both DDL and Enriqueslang are good lynch contenders to me. I like SVS´s point about how we should try to have 2 collectively suspicous players as our main wagons. Im going to bed soon so I won´t be here at EoD.

Linki

chaindeath wrote:
Nerolunar wrote:There is a scumrole in the setup that can pose as another role when lynched.

Actually while we are on this topic, I mostly threw shade at Chaindeath at the time. My goal was not to defend LC, but I did notice Chaindeaths behavior. That was my first ping of him - he decided to vote for LC when the only thing LC had posted was his disagreement to the plan that everyone should be voted for, to trigger the traitors. Very weak reasoning from Chaindeath that he didn´t follow up on rubbed me the wrong way and still does.
Why do you hang onto this vote for LC? Chaindeath has said it before but he supposes it bares repeating: Day 1 was buisy for him. He was highly distracted and unable to do much speculation, which is most of what you can do day one. The story hasn't changed and he supposes you are not willing to accept it. He wonders if you would have as much suspicion for him if he had said he used and RNG for the vote.

I understand that you have been working - but why LC specifically? Considering his content at the time I still wonder why you chose him.

Im not sure I want to vote for you today though - there is not much support for it and I want to put my vote to use for once

However, if I notice that the support for a Chaindeath lynch is on the rise I won´t hesitate to follow that.

I like the case on Boomslang, more so than the other cases. I also remembered that Enrique was somewhat sour after the Fuzz lynch - he didn´t act happy at all. Im voting for boomslang.

Boomslang

That was meant for SVS, sorry.

Okay Im confused now. What do you want me to explain Sloonei?

Sloonei wrote:
Nerolunar wrote:There is a scumrole in the setup that can pose as another role when lynched.

Actually while we are on this topic, I mostly threw shade at Chaindeath at the time. My goal was not to defend LC, but I did notice Chaindeaths behavior. That was my first ping of him - he decided to vote for LC when the only thing LC had posted was his disagreement to the plan that everyone should be voted for, to trigger the traitors. Very weak reasoning from Chaindeath that he didn´t follow up on rubbed me the wrong way and still does.
But what is the evidence that Long Con is the undercover cop?

I don´t know, its not my theory. I believe LC was the role he was revealed to be when he died. A crew member I think?

There is a scumrole in the setup that can pose as another role when lynched.

Actually while we are on this topic, I mostly threw shade at Chaindeath at the time. My goal was not to defend LC, but I did notice Chaindeaths behavior. That was my first ping of him - he decided to vote for LC when the only thing LC had posted was his disagreement to the plan that everyone should be voted for, to trigger the traitors. Very weak reasoning from Chaindeath that he didn´t follow up on rubbed me the wrong way and still does.

sig wrote:Could someone give me there take on Nero and LC's interaction? I'll highlight the few things I found strange later when I'm not doing school as well as finish my ISO of Nero.

So question if LC was a cop and the real role is alive does that mean Nero is a teammate and they planned it so we believe Nero had BTSC with LC when in fact he didn't? Or am I overthinking things.

Yes, you are overthinking.

@ Scotty A Sig lynch is fine, but Im not sure its that urgent anymore. This phase is already filled with discussion not orbiting Sig. I would much rather a confirmed scum to me, and that is Chaindeath. He reminds me of myself when I was scum in Arkham - the way my reads were all over the place and such.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Checking Nerolunar's interactions with Fuzz:

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Nerolunar wrote:I see RadicalFuzz is online. What are your suspects and general thoughts on what happened at EoD and from there on?
I doubt Fuzz was the only person Nero happened to see online, so it could be noteworthy that he felt the need to prod him like this. It was his only such prod.

This was Nero's only mention of Fuzz, and Fuzz never mentioned Nero in any non-OT text. It appears he voted early for ika on the day of their tally duel and the vote stayed there for the long haul. The total absence of interactivity, combined with an uninspiring vote and the specificity of the above prod choice make me willing to call Nerolunar a suspect. I could see him as a team mate of Fuzz.

I can´t remember if there were other people online at the time. I asked Fuzz about this because IIRC he had not been very vocal on reads at the time. I wanted him to talk more and since he was online anyways I just asked him.

Anyways, its confusing that all these prisoners have showed up. I would like you guys to only talk on topic and try to maximize town effort - It will be dificult to find scum if half of the thread is off topic or not helpful from now on. So help us hunt scum instead of running around verbally if you know what I mean. I mean no offense by this, obviously.

Chaindeath

I ask everyone to evaluate Chaindeaths posts and tell me how he can possibly be civ. Im so tunnel minded on this and it would be cool if other people would provide reads on him. Im interested to see why some of you are townreading him, because I simply can´t.

Also, thank you Scotty for seeing for what Im seeing in regards to Chaindeath.

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