The Syndicate

Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Quin wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:I don't think ika is bad. He might be the most confusing enigma I've ever encountered in a Mafia game, but I'll stick with my gut today barring a convincing sell that I read that whole exchange like a dope.

I want Quin to inspire me.
Should I paint you a pretty picture?
You seem a bit resigned. After putting forth an admirable effort as you have, in a game which town is currently losing, that is not a great look. Now is when the intensity level should be revving up before it's too late.

I have been interrogated for the past week and a half and with each answer more and more people are scum reading me, which is the opposite of what should be happening. I feel like all credibility to anything I have to say has gone down the drain, which is pretty sad since I have good faith in my own intuition, and I've not held back on backing up everything I've thought. Forgive me for not being so interested anymore.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:I don't think ika is bad. He might be the most confusing enigma I've ever encountered in a Mafia game, but I'll stick with my gut today barring a convincing sell that I read that whole exchange like a dope.

I want Quin to inspire me.

Should I paint you a pretty picture?

S~V~S wrote:

@Indi, no worries re tons o'posts. When you catch up at odd hours, like bea does, it happens.

And I o the same thing, the other night I actually woke up as I was falling asleep becasue I had a thought on a game, the Arkham one

Something about all of that last night is nagging at me, I am not sure what it is. That whole thing was fairly illuminating last night, and I think it needs thinking on for me rather than commenting on at this point.

One thing I will say, though, is that I see that Silver has noticed ikas manipulative posts. From where I am sitting, I think most of his posts are fairly manipulative as it regards her. I found that one post that he is rolling on the ground apologizing for to be the LEAST manipulative, tbh. That fawning element was missing.

Quin wrote:
If he's bad, you should be able to clear me. You said yourself that there's no way I would bus a teammate. I genuinely think ika is scum.
I find this hard to believe. You may not WANT to bus a teammate, but it is not always your choice. You all decide together. If you mean you won't bus a teammate against their will, yeah, I don't so that either. Like, for instance, if Fuzz was my teammate, and he was getting a lot of sudden suspicion, I would not want to lynch him either, especially if he was fighting it. I have had teammates come into the chat and ask us not to bus them even when it would make us look bad.

My whole perspective on the Fuzz lynch would be very different if he had had the most votes.

Linki Happy AM 509378

I am off to work, have fun.

That only makes sense assuming the person doing the bussing jumped on the teammate later on. I was the first to establish ika as a major lynch candidate. Yes, Sloonei voted him before I did, but he let that go straight away and I still pursued it. Making someone who otherwise would not be seen as suspicious into a major lynch candidate goes beyond bussing.

Sloonei wrote:
Quin wrote:Really, if you're still intent on lynching me after that I haven't got a single thing to say and I look forward to you being disappointed.
I admit that ika's entire play in this game has been one of the most befuddling things I've ever seen in a mafia game, but I'm not certan any of those things have to mean he's bad. Your behavior, and everyone else's for that matter, has been more typical of what i'm used to in mafia. It's more familiar and so I am more comfortable voting for it.

Do you have anything to say about Scotty? I am much more interested in your read on him than anything else. You are, to my memory, the only person to express and strong or consistent scum read on him in this game, and so far you've given us very little reason as to why. You have to admit that that is a curious thing worth asking about. If you're town and we're going to mislynch you, would it not be the most beneficial move for you to share as much of your thoughts as you can?

I have said everything I thought about Scotty and he is still my most significant scum-read. As I said, trust me or lynch me, and you've made your decision.

Really, if you're still intent on lynching me after that I haven't got a single thing to say and I look forward to you being disappointed.

Sloonei wrote:You could try to convince me to move my vote.

I have tried to do that for a week and a half now. I'll humor you one last time.

Lynch ika today. Not Scotty. If ika flips bad, then we'll talk about him. There is no dispute that I have been keen to lynch ika ever since the game began. Consider how Silver claims he would not hesitate to bus a teammate, and that it is entirely possible and likely that ika used an extra vote to lynch Fuzz. He would have taken advantage of the fact that nobody was sure whether they misunderstood him or not to make it this far. Consider the way he's defended himself in his most recent arguments. He's scaring away scum hunters by tugging at heartstrings and making people feel bad about targeting him. That's what I think. Consider his trust to simply vote for whoever Silver voted for, completely isolating himself from the obligation to form his own opinions. Consider his tight-lippedness earlier on in the game, alongside his decision to completely ignore the traitor scenario and control method Wilgy came up with to pursue his relatively pointless OT with Silver on Day 1. To wrap it all up, he's flipflopping on pretty much everybody's rainbow lists, and not for no reason.

If he's bad, you should be able to clear me. You said yourself that there's no way I would bus a teammate. I genuinely think ika is scum.

Please do.

All of them.

Because he is bad.

Sloonei wrote:
Quin wrote:
Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:@ Quin, I'm glad you're reading me as town now, or that you at least say you're reading me as town. You listed Black Rock, ika, Serge, and Nerolunar as scum in the GTH exercise. I'd like to hear more on those 4 names. If you had to rank them from most to least suspicious, how would that look?

Also why is Scotty listed as Town if you're voting for him right now?

I listed Scotty as town? That was most definitely a mistake.
To answer the question, though,

Scotty, Nero, ika, Black Rock, Serge.
Could you explain any or all of these suspicions? I am most interested in Scotty. All I can recall you mentioning is his Day 1 vote for Tranq. What else has you feeling so confident about him?

Inactive players and other major suspicions aside, Scotty is the only player I have yet to feel good about in any way. I have said many things about ika over the past two weeks. There is nothing left to say.

As for the rest, no. I'm getting tired of answering questions. At this point you can either trust me or lynch me, because cooperating is getting me nowhere.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Quin wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Quin wrote:Why'd you go for Draconus and not your friendly neighbourhood policeman Quin?
You already know I fancy the thought of wrapping a coarse rope around your neck. Do you need a reminder?
Should I rephrase the question?

Why is Draconus more suspicious than I am? If he's not, you should be voting for me, and judging by what you've said so far, I think that's the case.

I also agree with sig. Shocker, right?
I am more suspicious of you than Draconus. The lynch doesn't end today. Are you throwing shade at the paroled prisoner? Are my motives in question?

I am questioning your motives, but it's not something I'm looking at specifically in this game. I just cannot understand somebody moving the vote for their biggest scumread away from them to someone without a single vote. What do you hope to achieve?

linki: I'd also like to know about that. He's said multiple times that he's 'disappointed' with Silver. I don't know why this specific time is any different.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Quin wrote:Why'd you go for Draconus and not your friendly neighbourhood policeman Quin?
You already know I fancy the thought of wrapping a coarse rope around your neck. Do you need a reminder?

Should I rephrase the question?

Why is Draconus more suspicious than I am? If he's not, you should be voting for me, and judging by what you've said so far, I think that's the case.

I also agree with sig. Shocker, right?

Prisoner 509378 wrote:
ika wrote:Im disappointed in you silver, i thought you knew me better than that. No im not scum and if you are 100% convinced of it im am greatly saddened that you are 100% convinced of this. I expected better then this form you.....

This myslynch is going to be 100% on you

pedit: yes she is wrong
Okay.

Silverwolf.

I don't think this man is capable of saying these things to you as a baddie ploy. He's confirmed town. Let's move on.

Why'd you go for Draconus and not your friendly neighbourhood policeman Quin?

Epignosis wrote:I don't want to vote ika, as easy as he's making it. My convictions stand. He would have to put borrowed votes on Fuzz Day 2. I just don't get that as a strategy.

Self-preservation. I've said this before and nobody has opposed it so I'm going to keep on believing in it.

Had ika been lynched EoD2, fuzz would have been lynched next, almost no argument. Bussing Fuzz would be more likely to keep ika alive, since at that point nobody was surefire intent on lynching ika.

S~V~S wrote:
Quin wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Whew, busy weekend. Okay, what are we doing? Lynching Quin?
lol hi llama. You got beef with Q?
Yes. I asked Quin if he was bad, and he didn't say no.
\_(:T)_/

Scotty's probably the only person voting me not relying on an ever-trustworthy mechanic, so I'll get to have a laff soon enough

But seeing ika flip bad would look good for me should you change your mind, so I'll vote ika
I am voting for you based on your posts and your voting history

Linki @ ika, or you refuse to answer definitively?

Yeah...but no.

thellama73 wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Whew, busy weekend. Okay, what are we doing? Lynching Quin?
lol hi llama. You got beef with Q?
Yes. I asked Quin if he was bad, and he didn't say no.

\_(:T)_/

Scotty's probably the only person voting me not relying on an ever-trustworthy mechanic, so I'll get to have a laff soon enough

But seeing ika flip bad would look good for me should you change your mind, so I'll vote ika

Prisoner 509378 wrote:I love that I am being told by both of you how the game is played. I'm just Prisoner 509378, what do I know?

The game has changed since you were in the slammer. Things'er different now!

Finally, "Meta" is bullshit. Anyone can fake it with some effort.

let's run away together

Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:@ Quin, I'm glad you're reading me as town now, or that you at least say you're reading me as town. You listed Black Rock, ika, Serge, and Nerolunar as scum in the GTH exercise. I'd like to hear more on those 4 names. If you had to rank them from most to least suspicious, how would that look?

Also why is Scotty listed as Town if you're voting for him right now?

I listed Scotty as town? That was most definitely a mistake.

To answer the question, though,

Scotty, Nero, ika, Black Rock, Serge.

Sloonei wrote:@ Quin, I'm glad you're reading me as town now, or that you at least say you're reading me as town. You listed Black Rock, ika, Serge, and Nerolunar as scum in the GTH exercise. I'd like to hear more on those 4 names. If you had to rank them from most to least suspicious, how would that look?

Also why is Scotty listed as Town if you're voting for him right now?

I listed Scotty as town? That was most definitely a mistake.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Quin wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Quin wrote:wut?
Talk to me more about your assertion that the inclusion of low-content players could compromise the GTH exercise.
Lack of content means there's basically no basis to form an opinion. Maybe where you come from it's more appreciated, but I don't like the idea of making black and white decisions for players I can't size up. Seems counterproductive to me.
You don't think those players have enough content to be judged at all beyond a default read?

No, I don't.

and ika, I'm not against lynching them for inactivity. It's not like they're doing anything for us anyway.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Quin wrote:wut?
Talk to me more about your assertion that the inclusion of low-content players could compromise the GTH exercise.

Lack of content means there's basically no basis to form an opinion. Maybe where you come from it's more appreciated, but I don't like the idea of making black and white decisions for players I can't size up. Seems counterproductive to me.

Scotty wrote:
Quin wrote:
sig wrote:7 to 1 that is pretty good. Only SVS is being mean to me. :P

So the cops killed someone. That isn't very good. However, Fuzz cop is dead again which is a plus for us as well as our prison buddies.
So guess I was wrong about Golden, this means I'm most likely wrong about Sloonie also. I need some time to think on things. However, I do find it very strange that Ika and Silver are voting together considering Silver thinks Ika is scummy.

Right this second I think Nero or Chain are bad. If one is the other is civ. I still have some doubts on Sloonie. Besides that I'm not sure. I did think Ika was a good lynch choice yesterday.
I think its more 'ika is just going to vote whoever Silver votes' as opposed to a coordinated plan to vote together
But silver voted after ika...

Also, before I forget. Quin.

I'm convinced you are bad, and I'm sure you're convinced I am too, and I'm actually not sure you will ever get lynched, but I'll keep putting it out there. Boom seems to be a popular option and I see no reason I might change my vote to him sometime today. I've never really talked about him, and did put him out of my mind after Enrique left, but I do see the case behind him.

Yeah, but Silver's been talking about going after inactives since Day 3 or something. I recall her saying she was going to go after Draconus too. I dunno. It's another interpretation.

I am absolutely shocked I am still alive at this point. Usually when people want me lynched this badly I'll be dead then and there.

I'll retaliate with a vote for Scotty. I'd also take to an ika vote, or else if a Nero vote comes along I wouldn't be opposed.

Sloonei I town read you now. Please be my friend.

sig wrote:7 to 1 that is pretty good. Only SVS is being mean to me. :P

So the cops killed someone. That isn't very good. However, Fuzz cop is dead again which is a plus for us as well as our prison buddies.
So guess I was wrong about Golden, this means I'm most likely wrong about Sloonie also. I need some time to think on things. However, I do find it very strange that Ika and Silver are voting together considering Silver thinks Ika is scummy.

Right this second I think Nero or Chain are bad. If one is the other is civ. I still have some doubts on Sloonie. Besides that I'm not sure. I did think Ika was a good lynch choice yesterday.

I think its more 'ika is just going to vote whoever Silver votes' as opposed to a coordinated plan to vote together

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Okay, here's a chart of the results from the GTH exercise:

Spoiler: show
Some of my immediate thoughts:

~ I have performed this exercise a decent number of times now, and one thing I have found is that the players who give the most town reads have been more likely to flip mafia than other participants. In this exercise, that would reflect poorly on Quin. It isn't a sure thing, and the sample size is still limited, but this has been the trend I have observed. Quins baddie reads were: Black Rock, ika, Serge, and Nerolunar. While I can on some level understand why someone might feel this way about these players, it strikes me as a bit uninspired for those to be the only four names that Quin's gut was willing to spit out "mafia" for.

~ There always seems to be at least one person who is incredibly paranoid. In this case that looks like it would be Serge (I was also more paranoid than usual and need to reassess some of those M's clearly). This has been a mixed bag in this exercise. I've seen baddies do this to limit their connectivity to their team mates (by obscuring everything under a blanket of baddie reads). I've also seen townies who are just legitimately paranoid. In Serge's case though, I do note that he piled on the baddie reads early in the exercise (8 of the first 9, 9 of the first 11), and after that he leveled off with town reads. This might suggest that he realized his reads ratio had gotten ridiculous, and he had to balance the equation for it to make any sense -- which would be a sign of insincerity.

Do you not think using inactives in a GTH reading would compromise your thinking? Would your thinking change had you not included boomslang, Draconus and serge?

I'll be going off to uni to work on that assignment from yesterday. So no essays for a while.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:S~V~S

PRISONER 509378

QUIN

SCOTTY

town
town
town
scum

Prisoner 509378 wrote:SERGE

NEROLUNAR

INDIGLO

scum
scum
town

Prisoner 509378 wrote:SILVERWOLF

IKA

SIG

town
scum
town

Prisoner 509378 wrote:DRACONUS

SLOONEI

EPIGNOSIS

town
town
town

Prisoner 509378 wrote:THELLAMA73

CHAINDEATH

SONEJI

town
town
town

Prisoner 509378 wrote:BLACK ROCK

TURNIP HEAD

BOOMSLANG

Blackrock: Scum
Turniphead: Civ
Boomslang: Civ

I'm starting to click what this is and I'm just like

\_(:T)_/

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Cool ika. It's a pretty simple exercise. Once we start you'll need to try to keep pace though, finger on the refresh button.

Cool SW.

Cool Quin.

Others? I sense some trepidation. Some scaredy cats.

Keep in mind I'm new to this. I'm just going along with it.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Who all is present in the thread right now? I desire some gun to head (GTH) reads. Some of you probably don't know exactly what I mean by that, those that do please don't reveal it yet. The secrecy helps to bolster the value of the process.

If you're here and will still be here for a solid 10-15 minutes, please say aye. I have exercise for you to partake in.

Sign me up.

I wonder how Golden the Civ is going to react to Golden the Warden in the slammer.

So I guess 509 has a win condition then. Is this a thing you can talk about? I feel confident that we can trust 509 given that Fuzz was inactive, even with the Undercover Cop TBA. I feel a lot better about Sloonei now. I'm sticking to my conclusion he and Golden had BTSC, so he's shot right up.

I was going to change my vote to parol Dr Evil on account of what Matt just said but I guess I'm too late

Prisoner 640326 wrote:The mafia should vote for me. I promise I will not be active at all!

Well, in that case...

640326

or not

sig wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Oh for god's sake... Dragon, why did you have to act so much like a baddie?
I agree! oh wait maybe I shouldn't agree to something like that given my current situation.

We should lynch Ika tomorrow.

Prisoner 888206 wrote:
Golden wrote:Tell us, what was going on in the Prison Yard?
Well, most recently, we had a competition based on 15 quotes from this thread, and we had to decide who said each one. It was our third challenge, and it won us our chance to have this prison break! We needed to get ten out of fifteen quotes correct, and we got... 10/15.

I thought one of the prisoners said they broke out because they completed those quote challenges.

Sloonei wrote:
sig wrote:I dislike how Golden is trying to connect who which prisoner is. Isn't that killable?

Prisoner 509 seems like a good option. However, I need to think about this for a bit before casting a vote.
What's on your mind with regards to prisoners?

You didn't ask me, but I wonder if the prisoner who gets parole might be related to the third way for a player a die. For your reference:

There are only three ways for players to actually die this game, as follows:
1) Be killed by Hitman
2) Be killed by Capo and Crew
3) ??????

Are the role descriptions for the secret roles a copy and paste from the suggestion made by the player who created it?

Sloonei wrote:
Quin wrote:
indiglo wrote:
Quin wrote:
Golden wrote:Time for me to abandon you all and write a sermon.
I wish I could say the same thing. I got stuff to do, but I'm not going to do it.
That's the spirit!
It's only 1000 words and I have nearly all of the information but I have no motivation to just put it together
My entire college career summed up in one sentence. I graduated and got lots of A's.

I haven't used A's in a long time. It's been HD's and D's ever since I started uni. It's a backwards world when you jump for joy when you get a D on your assignment.

Prisoner 740359 wrote:Welp, looks like we might as well end this voting process in the next hour...

If there's anything I can pledge to do for the parole, name it. Name iiiiit.

Can you give me an ISO of all the players you most definitely think are scum?

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