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It's only 1000 words and I have nearly all of the information but I have no motivation to just put it togetherindiglo wrote:That's the spirit!Quin wrote:I wish I could say the same thing. I got stuff to do, but I'm not going to do it.Golden wrote:Time for me to abandon you all and write a sermon.
I wish I could say the same thing. I got stuff to do, but I'm not going to do it.Golden wrote:Time for me to abandon you all and write a sermon.
I hope you weren't playing Zodiac Mafia, because you're god awful at roleplayPrisoner 740359 wrote:How can I get you six oranges in a virtual game? Am I in a Grimm fairy tale right now?Quin wrote:I want six oranges. And not the cheap kind.Prisoner 740359 wrote:uhm meaning what.Quin wrote:six orangesPrisoner 740359 wrote:Name your price, players. I have proposed more than DDL as a suspect and, apart from Golden the Warden, I don't believe any of you have any real reasons to dislike me.
Name what I'd take for me to not have to go back and solve the Warden's stinking puzzles.
I want six oranges. And not the cheap kind.Prisoner 740359 wrote:uhm meaning what.Quin wrote:six orangesPrisoner 740359 wrote:Name your price, players. I have proposed more than DDL as a suspect and, apart from Golden the Warden, I don't believe any of you have any real reasons to dislike me.
Name what I'd take for me to not have to go back and solve the Warden's stinking puzzles.
six orangesPrisoner 740359 wrote:Name your price, players. I have proposed more than DDL as a suspect and, apart from Golden the Warden, I don't believe any of you have any real reasons to dislike me.
Name what I'd take for me to not have to go back and solve the Warden's stinking puzzles.
According to this:Golden wrote:Oh. I also assumed each night, but I hadn't considered that. The fact we've already seen two lynches go against the top vote getter suggests availability.Quin wrote:Yeah, I know that. I thought that each loan shark had a total of 3 votes throughout the entire game.Golden wrote:Up to 3.Quin wrote:I thought that each loan shark had a finite amount of votes to give away?S~V~S wrote:There are six votes for sale daily.
Are you allowed to say how many votes you bought and used to save sig?
I interpret this to say that I can, since the day in question has finished and I've repaid it. I only got the one, so from my recollection LC was lynched in a tie breaker, or else someone else had a hand in it.Spacedaisy wrote:HOST ANNOUNCEMENT
I see there have been questions in game regarding whether or not you can discuss the votes you borrowed or the terms of repayment. Here is the answer: going forward you cannot discuss the votes you borrowed, how you used them or what the terms of repayment on the loan were until those terms been completely fulfilled. If you have additional questions, PM your host for clarification.
Yeah, I know that. I thought that each loan shark had a total of 3 votes throughout the entire game.Golden wrote:Up to 3.Quin wrote:I thought that each loan shark had a finite amount of votes to give away?S~V~S wrote:There are six votes for sale daily.
I thought that each loan shark had a finite amount of votes to give away?S~V~S wrote:There are six votes for sale daily.
I think it's fine. In Zodiac, llama had a rainbow list going within a day and he was civ. Perhaps his opinions are changing.Prisoner 509378 wrote:I've had good vibes about llama purely from my gut, so I'll check my intuition against thread data:
Assertively rejects a semi-question from Fuzz about typical tied lynch rules.thellama73 wrote:Um... no. In what universe has that ever been true?RadicalFuzz wrote: Gleam makes a good point. The normal result of players tying for a lynch vote would be both of them dying, no?
Fuzz asked llama to expand on his suspicion of DDL, and this was his response. This is obviously more about DDL than it is about Fuzz, but that Fuzz felt the need to prompt this might mean there's a connection to be drawn between he, llama, and/or DDL. As of right now I would lean towards DDL being the suspicious one from this, but this might be worth returning to later either way.Spoiler: show
llama wasn't around during the CFD at the end of Day 2. His vote that day went to DDL (it was the 2nd final vote placed of the phase). This could perhaps be seen as slightly contradictory given his more recent dejection over pursuing a DDL lynch that he didn't feel would take hold with other players. I am not concerned though because this vote was placed so early, and he was indeed absent from the thread when the vote switching started to envelop discussion.
This is surprising. I thought llama was opposed to people broadcasting town reads. I think this post is strategically fine and dandy, but I wouldn't have anticipated it coming from this guy. Perhaps a buddying scenario can be drawn out.Spoiler: show
He spent most of Days 3 and 4 trying to mount support for a DDL lynch, but it seems that support didn't really materialize (or that other players were the focus instead). Actually that has continued into this day phase too.
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I think the content in the thread mostly supports my gut read. I have no beefs with llama.
In that case, tell me exactly why it mattered whether I posed the question to him through a quote, as opposed to a new post. All you're doing is nitpicking, from my perspective.a2thezebra wrote:It's not up to you to decide what does and does not matter.
That's because there was no debate. zebra wanted to be picky about something that does not matter and I replied as such.Prisoner 413022 wrote:I don't understand the context of this debate.Quin wrote:I don't think it needs to be directed at me for me to say things. Would it have looked better if I didn't quote her at all? It really doesn't matter.a2thezebra wrote:But that post that S~V~S made that you responded to had nothing to do with you. It seems like you wanted to accuse her of narrow focus at some point today but got impatient waiting for a proper opportunity.Quin wrote:I mean I'd like to see what suspicions SVS has that are not me.a2thezebra wrote:What do you mean by this?Quin wrote:I'd like to see what other suspicions you may or may not actually have.S~V~S wrote:Since ika was the counterwagon to Fuzz who WAS bad, I find it hard to see him as bad, although I guess anything is possible.
From where I'm standing, which is new to the thread and not back reading yet, A2 makes a good point. To a stranger to the thread, your post reads specifically antagonistic toward SVS.
Is there something about how SVS has been playing that caused you to be thus? If so, what was that? If not, would you have asked the same thing of any other player that made the statement she made?
The lynch train was my post where I mentioned lynching Scotty, Golden, Sloonei and Nero on page 99.chaindeath wrote:He is unsure of weather you are referring to your own lynch or your vote. He doesn't want to see you go if that's what you're asking but if it's about trying to lych Scotty then I don't think it would be a bad move, probably. He isn't particularly fond of this phrase from Scotty "Quin wrote:What do you have to say to my lynch chain? Specifically where I mention you and golden. I haven't got a clue how to do hyperlinks, but it's the first post on page 99.Sloonei wrote:How do you plan to use your time in this free thread?Prisoner 640326 wrote:I didn't think that far ahead I'm afraid.
Oh man I want to lynch you. Teacher! Teacher! May I vote twice, like the Warden? I'll be a good boy, I swear!"
If this isn't what you're looking for Quin let him know.
I assure you. I will not take it personally. If you are torn, id recommend lynching ika first. I don't think anybody could argue that I was one of the orchestrators of why ika is seen so badly. If you take this as some sort of bus attempt, go ahead and lynch me because I'm eager to flip town at this point. Maybe people will stop being so cocky.indiglo wrote:The only bad thing is that if Quin is lynched, I will miss him. So, if it comes down to that, it will be nothing personal Quin.
They are definitely not lovers, since at the first day they never had the chance to find each other. I doubt they are the capo/crew on either family, since they've not shown any interacions with wilgy or Lc that say as such. They could be the don/consig, but its equally likely they're cops.Prisoner 509378 wrote:For the sake of argument I'll simply accept everything you said up to this point, so I can follow your thought process. If they have BTSC, why do you think it's more likely cop-inclined than not?Quin wrote:My conclusion is that they have a BTSC link, and I'm inclined to believe its police BTSC as opposed to a Capo/Crew or Don/Consigliere link.
I'm not fixated on Sloonei's vote for Matt at all. I may have brought it up as it is definitely something worth looking at, but there are other things that are more significant.Golden wrote:We've been defending each other reasonably hard. Both of us have each other as pretty solid civilian reads.Prisoner 509378 wrote:Could you clarify what relationship you're referring to exactly between them? You don't have to rehash an entire Thing, just give me the basic gist and I'll go chase the details myself.Quin wrote:Golden and Sloonei's relationship in this particular is something I feel is being ignored a bit too much. Mind you, I did get an answer explaining this, but I don't think enough people were considering it and that doesn't make me feel too good knowing such a crucial aspect of the game isn't getting the attention it deserves.Prisoner 509378 wrote:At face value I would call both Golden and Sloonei not suspicious. I'm mind-melding with both of them on most issues (the glaring difference being in our reads of sig), and they just seem to be within their town parameters. For either one of them, this'd be a top-caliber meta fake. Scotty and Nero I could entertain, but I don't think the cases would be terribly strong.Quin wrote:He has said a lot of off things, make no mistake. However, he still doesn't strike me as a better lynch than Scotty, Golden, Sloonei, Nero or maybe ika. I agree with what you said a while back about how he might just be the kind of player who takes on pressure as he is.Prisoner 509378 wrote:Quin, whaddya think of DDL right now?
I've given my reasons for that... Sloonei may have but I don't remember. I don't understand why Quin would jump to it being reflective of baddie teammates though. He seems fixated on sloonei making a brief jump to Matt at EoD2, but why? Why does that brief jump look bad?
Golden is probably the only person Sloonei has yet to interrogate about anything. That strikes me as odd, as I don't think Sloonei would lay off on asking anybody questions unless he had a very good reason to. Day 1, Sloonei practically exudes good reads about Golden and back then it was from my recognition mostly based on how his posts made him feel. I don't think they've really disagreed on a lot here, another thing that caught my interest.Prisoner 509378 wrote:Could you clarify what relationship you're referring to exactly between them? You don't have to rehash an entire Thing, just give me the basic gist and I'll go chase the details myself.Quin wrote:Golden and Sloonei's relationship in this particular is something I feel is being ignored a bit too much. Mind you, I did get an answer explaining this, but I don't think enough people were considering it and that doesn't make me feel too good knowing such a crucial aspect of the game isn't getting the attention it deserves.Prisoner 509378 wrote:At face value I would call both Golden and Sloonei not suspicious. I'm mind-melding with both of them on most issues (the glaring difference being in our reads of sig), and they just seem to be within their town parameters. For either one of them, this'd be a top-caliber meta fake. Scotty and Nero I could entertain, but I don't think the cases would be terribly strong.Quin wrote:He has said a lot of off things, make no mistake. However, he still doesn't strike me as a better lynch than Scotty, Golden, Sloonei, Nero or maybe ika. I agree with what you said a while back about how he might just be the kind of player who takes on pressure as he is.Prisoner 509378 wrote:Quin, whaddya think of DDL right now?
Golden and Sloonei's relationship in this particular is something I feel is being ignored a bit too much. Mind you, I did get an answer explaining this, but I don't think enough people were considering it and that doesn't make me feel too good knowing such a crucial aspect of the game isn't getting the attention it deserves.Prisoner 509378 wrote:At face value I would call both Golden and Sloonei not suspicious. I'm mind-melding with both of them on most issues (the glaring difference being in our reads of sig), and they just seem to be within their town parameters. For either one of them, this'd be a top-caliber meta fake. Scotty and Nero I could entertain, but I don't think the cases would be terribly strong.Quin wrote:He has said a lot of off things, make no mistake. However, he still doesn't strike me as a better lynch than Scotty, Golden, Sloonei, Nero or maybe ika. I agree with what you said a while back about how he might just be the kind of player who takes on pressure as he is.Prisoner 509378 wrote:Quin, whaddya think of DDL right now?
He has said a lot of off things, make no mistake. However, he still doesn't strike me as a better lynch than Scotty, Golden, Sloonei, Nero or maybe ika. I agree with what you said a while back about how he might just be the kind of player who takes on pressure as he is.Prisoner 509378 wrote:Quin, whaddya think of DDL right now?
Prisoner 509378 wrote:Concur.Golden wrote:Silverwolf's vote for ika is an interesting turn.
I feel much better about silverwolf than I do about ika.
What I think of the LC = seemer theory?S~V~S wrote:You have been under suspicion and survived lynches. Now people start talking about the seemer and you start talking about how you will "flip", yeah. That looks hinky to me.sig wrote:This post makes no sense, I must be the seemer since I said I wouldn't flip bad? So if you say you won't flip bad does that mean you aren't a civ and the seemer.S~V~S wrote:I have been voting you and talking to and about you. I will probably vote for you again today. But I am considering a vote for sig since now suddenly discussion of LC being a seemer is topped off by sig saying he won't *flip* bad. I am thinking lets just get that role out of play.Quin wrote:Then lynch me. You're saying a lot of shit and you're not doing anything about it.S~V~S wrote:You're sketchy as hell, dude. Get used to it.
What do you think of the LC=Seemer theory?
Based on his thread, I doubt LC was anything but how he was revealed in the post.
So you don't like this theory, wonder what Quin thinks of it?
Linki, it just seemed odd in the face of all the sudden discussion about LC being the Seemer. If LC is the Seemer, we don't have to worry about that anymore, right?
Quin wrote:Possible. Not likely, as larger BTSC chains would be harder to snowball and get a civ lynched.S~V~S wrote:I have been voting you and talking to and about you. I will probably vote for you again today. But I am considering a vote for sig since now suddenly discussion of LC being a seemer is topped off by sig saying he won't *flip* bad. I am thinking lets just get that role out of play.Quin wrote:Then lynch me. You're saying a lot of shit and you're not doing anything about it.S~V~S wrote:You're sketchy as hell, dude. Get used to it.
What do you think of the LC=Seemer theory?
I posted this like 10 minutes ago but forgot linki
Possible. Not likely, as larger BTSC chains would be harder to snowball and get a civ lynched.S~V~S wrote:I have been voting you and talking to and about you. I will probably vote for you again today. But I am considering a vote for sig since now suddenly discussion of LC being a seemer is topped off by sig saying he won't *flip* bad. I am thinking lets just get that role out of play.Quin wrote:Then lynch me. You're saying a lot of shit and you're not doing anything about it.S~V~S wrote:You're sketchy as hell, dude. Get used to it.
What do you think of the LC=Seemer theory?
Then lynch me. You're saying a lot of shit and you're not doing anything about it.S~V~S wrote:You're sketchy as hell, dude. Get used to it.
Interesting that Sloonei decided that me finding Scotty while not being caught up on his chaindeath ISO was suspicious yet had nothing to say when Black Rock did the same thing to meBlack Rock wrote:This thread has gotten crazy and I am now drowning in it. I'm working from noon till whenever they don't need me today. A girl got fired the other day and I have been covering her shifts. So I am going to vote for Quin. I still think Quins a good vote, even though I haven't read the past 25 freaking pages.
I'll have a search through my posts for something you can work with. I feel as though you're mistaking what my priority was, though. I'd said everything I had to say on the ika lynch prior to when the CFD happened, and from experience if I'd gone off and sounded like a broken record I think that may have been seen just as badly as defending Fuzz turned out to be. My defence of Fuzz boils down to really just the two posts you addressed, compared to a whole lot of ika posts over the two day period.Prisoner 509378 wrote:Thank you, Quin, for responding to my quick analysis of your chatter with Fuzz. I like your answers for the most part. I do emerge with one question though: you said that Fuzz was "by no means a town read", but that you felt much more strongly about ika as the lynch. I'm not certain this bears out in your conduct during the CFD, when your focus seemed primarily on preventing a Fuzz lynch rather than ensuring an ika lynch. Can you show me posts you made which support your assertion that lynching ika was your intended focus?
No, I'm Mark!Golden wrote:You're Tim!Quin wrote:I can't keep up with all these names.Golden wrote:I don't think so TimQuin wrote:I think it was more so the way he went around it that caught people's attention than it was him actually moving his vote. He was on the train early, maybe he wanted to get off?Golden wrote:I think his words in the thread bore out, at the time, that he always intended to end on Fuzz, and I'm not sure why his brief time at Matt 1.0 would seem all that dodgy... like, what would it achieve from a baddie perspective?Quin wrote:Did you ever give your thoughts on the moment he moved his vote from Fuzz to Matt 1.0? Did that look good or bad to you, at the time?Golden wrote:Sloonei pulled the wool over my eyes in Watchmen, and then I got lynched right behind him after. But it's not just his demeanour but his role in events that makes me feel good about him.
I can't keep up with all these names.Golden wrote:I don't think so TimQuin wrote:I think it was more so the way he went around it that caught people's attention than it was him actually moving his vote. He was on the train early, maybe he wanted to get off?Golden wrote:I think his words in the thread bore out, at the time, that he always intended to end on Fuzz, and I'm not sure why his brief time at Matt 1.0 would seem all that dodgy... like, what would it achieve from a baddie perspective?Quin wrote:Did you ever give your thoughts on the moment he moved his vote from Fuzz to Matt 1.0? Did that look good or bad to you, at the time?Golden wrote:Sloonei pulled the wool over my eyes in Watchmen, and then I got lynched right behind him after. But it's not just his demeanour but his role in events that makes me feel good about him.
I think it was more so the way he went around it that caught people's attention than it was him actually moving his vote. He was on the train early, maybe he wanted to get off?Golden wrote:I think his words in the thread bore out, at the time, that he always intended to end on Fuzz, and I'm not sure why his brief time at Matt 1.0 would seem all that dodgy... like, what would it achieve from a baddie perspective?Quin wrote:Did you ever give your thoughts on the moment he moved his vote from Fuzz to Matt 1.0? Did that look good or bad to you, at the time?Golden wrote:Sloonei pulled the wool over my eyes in Watchmen, and then I got lynched right behind him after. But it's not just his demeanour but his role in events that makes me feel good about him.
Did you ever give your thoughts on the moment he moved his vote from Fuzz to Matt 1.0? Did that look good or bad to you, at the time?Golden wrote:Sloonei pulled the wool over my eyes in Watchmen, and then I got lynched right behind him after. But it's not just his demeanour but his role in events that makes me feel good about him.
I don't agree that they are dangerous to the point that they shouldn't be considered. There is a lot of information to be found in taking this angle, and while you say that these lynches are based on the 'If' factor, I could just as easily put the same cases forward without the link between you and I would still feel confident that you are all bad. I don't think you should be refuting this, because information is good information regardless of its form.Sloonei wrote:I'll stop you right here and say that this line of thinking can often be dangerous. The likelihood that you'll ever catch 4 baddies together because of their interactions with one another in the thread when NONE of the players in question are even confirmed as bad is slim to none. But, onto the individual cases...Quin wrote:There are four ideal choices for me right now. Part of why I asked you in the first place was because I wanted to know about what kind of links you could make between your lynch choices. I didn't get exactly what I wanted, but I supposed that's what I get for not making myself clearer.
I've had four people in my mind who would be great lynches. Each of these four have had connections with each other which, to me, came across as building an association with each other that might spare them scrutiny if the others were lynched. You could argue that the links I've made could apply to anybody, and you're not wrong. But I feel confident in these specific ones.
I'm not sure what you mean when you say you can't "see a side of him to get a good read from". Does "good" mean "strong", or does it mean "town"? Either way, I'm not sure what the suspicion is based off of. If it's just that he's hard to read, shouldn't that make him a null read? Also, what do you make of his big chaindeath ISO that he just told me to look at? I've had doubts about Scotty too, but the investigation he put on in that one post made me feel a bit better about him.Scotty would be the first. I'm yet to see a side of him in this game I could get a good read from. I think other people are coming around to that realisation as well, which is good. Couple that with my original 'what if' in regards to Tranq, I think he's playing a clever, under the radar game.
For clarification to anyone else who might be reading, the "you" in this post is Golden, I believe. Quin can correct me if I'm wrong.If he flipped scum, you would be my next point of interest. I think a lot of your posts have been black and white, an interpretation that others also have commented on. You are also connected to my Tranq case, as you made up a shaky defence for Scotty by saying that the police probably knew Tranq can be a threat, but that didn't address my original point at all.
Back to Quirinius, my sirens are again going off at that big "If" at the beginning of this paragraph. IF scotty flips scum. You are now putting the cart in front of the horse. If that happens, sure, this can be a legitimate line of thought, but I can't approve of any case that relies on such an unsubstantiated piece of evidence. I also still don't agree with your assessment that Tranq's N1 arrest should be connected back in any way to Scotty. Frankly it seems like an odd connection to make, and I'm not sure what drew you to it. I can't think of any reason why a player voting for the person killed on Night 1 should indicate that that player is bad.
So I am a suspect on the third layer of If? Golden's been a solid town read. I also still have trouble grasping why you thought my Day 2 and 3 behavior was so outrageously scummy. I began to formulate stronger reads because the game had been going on for a while. This is a normal thing that happens (and then unhappens when work interferes).If you then flipped scum, I'd lynch Sloonei. He and you have had a very interesting relationship in this game. I am almost convinced that you have a BTSC link together. I take this interpretation since you are quite possibly the only player Sloonei has yet to question. (I just confirmed this, and in doing so, I learned that I can filter things!) From my understanding of Sloonei's personality, there's no other conclusion I can make. I don't have the same level of tangible evidence to argue for Sloonei's lynch, but I don't think I was seeing a civilian Sloonei throughout EoD2 to EoD3.
Four Ifs, and even you are now admitting that you're reaching. Nero was also a strong town read for me early on, but he's kind of lost that spot as the game has worn on.If I was correct yet again, at which point you should be revering me as your one true mafia god, I would lynch Nerolunar. There was a moment that really caught my attention very early, when Sloonei asked if there were any cases that would paint Nero as scum. At this point, I don't think any strong cases painting Nero as scum or civ were out there, so it just seemed a bit wild. This is admittedly the weakest link between the four of you, but no less significant in my eyes. Nero also jumped on the idea of lynching Epignosis for the sake of obtaining information. This is definitely ironic of me to scum read him for, since it was my idea, but Nero has been very 'passive' in this game. He also suggested lynching sig so people would stop talking about him. This is not GOOD town behaviour, in my eyes, so I can only hope is scum for suggesting that.
This post has way too many Ifs in it for me to get behind, and I don't agree with points 1-3 anyway. If you have time, I wouldn't mind hearing some more complete and isolated thoughts about each of Scotty and Nero.
also to hyperlink a post you simply click the red heading that appears at the top of the post ("[DAY 5] Turf Wars...") and the link in your search bar becomes a direct link to that post.
i assume there will be a mountain of linki that i'm just gonna ignore.
or just the one post.
What do you have to say to my lynch chain? Specifically where I mention you and golden. I haven't got a clue how to do hyperlinks, but it's the first post on page 99.Sloonei wrote:How do you plan to use your time in this free thread?Prisoner 640326 wrote:I didn't think that far ahead I'm afraid.
Prisoner 509378 wrote:Checking Quin's interactions with Fuzz:
I'm not a fan of this post for a couple of reasons:Spoiler: show
1. Quin backed off of an assertion that I think is sometimes agreeable (blatantly strange behavior is often a towntell) and I don't know why he felt this compulsion to change his mind.
2. This sort of dialogue with a confirmed baddie is a bit suspicious at face value. It's tame, it's safe, and most importantly it features the impression of distance (Fuzz challenging a Quin point) but without any sort of actual accusation.
I think that early on I was really trying to understand the capo/crew functions. His strange behaviour was what I thought to be a direct result of him being in that trio. He did come up with a voting strategy I felt really good about, like I said in that post. I agree with you on the principle that weird behaviour can be seen as town, but I also thought that it was something that could have been exploited, which was definitely at the very least a contributing factor as to why I changed my mind.
I don't have a defence to your thoughts that Fuzz was trying to create a sense of distance between us. I think this post might be the only direct conversation between us, and because of that, all I can say is 'No it wasn't', which I hate to say. If you did find something in your ISO that says otherwise, I'd love to discuss it.
It's easy to look at a post like this and come to an immediate negative stance. Quin staunchly defended a confirmed baddie. That doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing though, because in my experience when a player is this dead wrong on a read it usually is reflective of genuine wrongness. On the occasion it is indeed maliciously-motivated, it tends to come from players who have a special knack for WIFOM (like MacDougall for example). I don't know that I'd associate Quin with that type of player, though I acknowledge that I haven't played with him. I'd like to hear what Sloonei thinks of this specific thought given his experience playing with Quin.Spoiler: show
My mafia style is a lot more focused on achieving convincing levels of disassociation with my teammates. Or at least, that's what I like to say. If I was mafia (Yet another thing I hate to say) I definitely would not have thrown myself into this situation by defending him. I want to say that I'm using 'defend' very loosely here. I've said it before, but my reasoning to oppose the Fuzz lynch was in that a lot of votes swung his way in a very short amount of time and I couldn't bring myself to agree with the interpretations and logic that was there to lynch Fuzz. He was by no means a town read, but I felt strongly that ika was a better option, and for reasons that I am still holding onto. I think you can see my mafia style pretty clearly by looking at the Zodiac mafia game, because I feel like I played my best game there. But by all means, take what Sloonei has to say into account as well.
Again a strong pro-Fuzz stance is asserted. The same principles apply. By this point it appears a Fuzz lynch was well in hand? Please correct me anyone if I am mistaken. If that's the case, then one could argue that Quin didn't want to make the always-suspicious late-phase pile-on vote for a team mate. However, it is at least consistent with Quin's prior defensiveness of Fuzz and I don't think that assumption should be automatic.Spoiler: show
I've seen the last-minute jump so many times I can't really argue against it's validity. I think, if I were to say anything, I'd say that I have definitely been consistent in my thoughts on Fuzz even up to now, because there is no point in pretending I thought something else when I did not. I'm also not trying to move past the EoD2 events, because I feel like it is definitely one of the biggest sources of information that we can gather.
I'll look at one post-Fuzz-lynch post too here. Given that Quin was so incorrect about Fuzz, I think there's value in checking his reaction to the baddie flip. He stood by his guns and a little frustration showed through the cracks too. At least in terms of tone, I am not perturbed.Spoiler: show
There was most definitely frustration. I think that comes with the territory of believing something and then once it's clear that you're wrong, you come to the realisation that there are going to be consequences.
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The first post is the worst of it that I can see. However, I am not overwhelmingly sold on a Quin lynch. His defenses of Fuzz do not bear the standard appearance of a mafia-mafia interaction. It's possible, but it's atypical.
Do you mind if I answer this in a few hours? I'm at uni and my lecture is about to start, plus I'm on my phone which is awful enough to type with.Prisoner 509378 wrote:Checking Quin's interactions with Fuzz:
I'm not a fan of this post for a couple of reasons:Spoiler: show
1. Quin backed off of an assertion that I think is sometimes agreeable (blatantly strange behavior is often a towntell) and I don't know why he felt this compulsion to change his mind.
2. This sort of dialogue with a confirmed baddie is a bit suspicious at face value. It's tame, it's safe, and most importantly it features the impression of distance (Fuzz challenging a Quin point) but without any sort of actual accusation.
It's easy to look at a post like this and come to an immediate negative stance. Quin staunchly defended a confirmed baddie. That doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing though, because in my experience when a player is this dead wrong on a read it usually is reflective of genuine wrongness. On the occasion it is indeed maliciously-motivated, it tends to come from players who have a special knack for WIFOM (like MacDougall for example). I don't know that I'd associate Quin with that type of player, though I acknowledge that I haven't played with him. I'd like to hear what Sloonei thinks of this specific thought given his experience playing with Quin.Spoiler: show
Again a strong pro-Fuzz stance is asserted. The same principles apply. By this point it appears a Fuzz lynch was well in hand? Please correct me anyone if I am mistaken. If that's the case, then one could argue that Quin didn't want to make the always-suspicious late-phase pile-on vote for a team mate. However, it is at least consistent with Quin's prior defensiveness of Fuzz and I don't think that assumption should be automatic.Spoiler: show
I'll look at one post-Fuzz-lynch post too here. Given that Quin was so incorrect about Fuzz, I think there's value in checking his reaction to the baddie flip. He stood by his guns and a little frustration showed through the cracks too. At least in terms of tone, I am not perturbed.Spoiler: show
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The first post is the worst of it that I can see. However, I am not overwhelmingly sold on a Quin lynch. His defenses of Fuzz do not bear the standard appearance of a mafia-mafia interaction. It's possible, but it's atypical.
There are enough prisoners to outnumber the amount of players, so I have my doubts that their votes count at all.Scotty wrote:So let's do a little summary here.
There are currently 5 prisoners that we know are part of the mafia families (6, if you count dead LC). That leaves 8 prisoners without an apparent win-con or motive, that [probably] can vote in this lynch.
Does that not bother anyone else?
Also, why are you avoiding the question?S~V~S wrote:Why would it look bad or good if you do or do not respond to a post where I did not mention you?Quin wrote:I don't think it needs to be directed at me for me to say things. Would it have looked better if I didn't quote her at all? It really doesn't matter.a2thezebra wrote:But that post that S~V~S made that you responded to had nothing to do with you. It seems like you wanted to accuse her of narrow focus at some point today but got impatient waiting for a proper opportunity.Quin wrote:I mean I'd like to see what suspicions SVS has that are not me.a2thezebra wrote:What do you mean by this?Quin wrote:I'd like to see what other suspicions you may or may not actually have.S~V~S wrote:Since ika was the counterwagon to Fuzz who WAS bad, I find it hard to see him as bad, although I guess anything is possible.
Why are you so worried about how it looks?
Okay, then what conclusion have you come to based on that post?a2thezebra wrote:Everything matters.Quin wrote:I don't think it needs to be directed at me for me to say things. Would it have looked better if I didn't quote her at all? It really doesn't matter.a2thezebra wrote:But that post that S~V~S made that you responded to had nothing to do with you. It seems like you wanted to accuse her of narrow focus at some point today but got impatient waiting for a proper opportunity.Quin wrote:I mean I'd like to see what suspicions SVS has that are not me.a2thezebra wrote:What do you mean by this?Quin wrote:I'd like to see what other suspicions you may or may not actually have.S~V~S wrote:Since ika was the counterwagon to Fuzz who WAS bad, I find it hard to see him as bad, although I guess anything is possible.
I don't think it needs to be directed at me for me to say things. Would it have looked better if I didn't quote her at all? It really doesn't matter.a2thezebra wrote:But that post that S~V~S made that you responded to had nothing to do with you. It seems like you wanted to accuse her of narrow focus at some point today but got impatient waiting for a proper opportunity.Quin wrote:I mean I'd like to see what suspicions SVS has that are not me.a2thezebra wrote:What do you mean by this?Quin wrote:I'd like to see what other suspicions you may or may not actually have.S~V~S wrote:Since ika was the counterwagon to Fuzz who WAS bad, I find it hard to see him as bad, although I guess anything is possible.
I mean I'd like to see what suspicions SVS has that are not me.a2thezebra wrote:What do you mean by this?Quin wrote:I'd like to see what other suspicions you may or may not actually have.S~V~S wrote:Since ika was the counterwagon to Fuzz who WAS bad, I find it hard to see him as bad, although I guess anything is possible.
I'd like to see what other suspicions you may or may not actually have.S~V~S wrote:Since ika was the counterwagon to Fuzz who WAS bad, I find it hard to see him as bad, although I guess anything is possible.
I expected this. I took your whatever it was you were trying to achieve personally, and I take it back. Still don't see any legitimacy to what you're trying to put forward though, and your argument has zero value to anyone until you explain yourself. I don't see that happening, though.S~V~S wrote:So no more "lynch SVS"? I am not supporting a Golden lynch, I will actively work hard against it.Quin wrote:There are four ideal choices for me right now. Part of why I asked you in the first place was because I wanted to know about what kind of links you could make between your lynch choices. I didn't get exactly what I wanted, but I supposed that's what I get for not making myself clearer.
I've had four people in my mind who would be great lynches. Each of these four have had connections with each other which, to me, came across as building an association with each other that might spare them scrutiny if the others were lynched. You could argue that the links I've made could apply to anybody, and you're not wrong. But I feel confident in these specific ones.
Scotty would be the first. I'm yet to see a side of him in this game I could get a good read from. I think other people are coming around to that realisation as well, which is good. Couple that with my original 'what if' in regards to Tranq, I think he's playing a clever, under the radar game.
If he flipped scum, you would be my next point of interest. I think a lot of your posts have been black and white, an interpretation that others also have commented on. You are also connected to my Tranq case, as you made up a shaky defence for Scotty by saying that the police probably knew Tranq can be a threat, but that didn't address my original point at all.
If you then flipped scum, I'd lynch Sloonei. He and you have had a very interesting relationship in this game. I am almost convinced that you have a BTSC link together. I take this interpretation since you are quite possibly the only player Sloonei has yet to question. (I just confirmed this, and in doing so, I learned that I can filter things!) From my understanding of Sloonei's personality, there's no other conclusion I can make. I don't have the same level of tangible evidence to argue for Sloonei's lynch, but I don't think I was seeing a civilian Sloonei throughout EoD2 to EoD3.
If I was correct yet again, at which point you should be revering me as your one true mafia god, I would lynch Nerolunar. There was a moment that really caught my attention very early, when Sloonei asked if there were any cases that would paint Nero as scum. At this point, I don't think any strong cases painting Nero as scum or civ were out there, so it just seemed a bit wild. This is admittedly the weakest link between the four of you, but no less significant in my eyes. Nero also jumped on the idea of lynching Epignosis for the sake of obtaining information. This is definitely ironic of me to scum read him for, since it was my idea, but Nero has been very 'passive' in this game. He also suggested lynching sig so people would stop talking about him. This is not GOOD town behaviour, in my eyes, so I can only hope is scum for suggesting that.
My intention is to work to lynch you, tbh.
I haven't seen anything from SVS yet that reads scummy, Epi's response to my questions has satisfied me for now, and I won't be voting ika because I think it's mean. 
